 Okay, good. So I'm here with Freeman flying. He just turned on recording, so I'm going to do a proper introduction. But since you went ahead and responded to that kind of deep personal question, which I thought was really cool. Can I recap where we were at? Yeah, absolutely. Because Freeman and I were just talking that, you know, I hadn't really known a lot about his, his work, you know, what he's published, which is amazing and anyone can go check out. But in particular, I especially didn't even know about his background. And I was telling Freeman that, you know, I just done this interview with the famous UFO guy, Whitley Strieber, who I think is amazing. And one thing I found out about Whitley in that interview was that Whitley didn't know it, but at the time he was kind of getting into some of this very early. He was in MK Ultra. He was his dad put him in an MK ultra pneumonia is nine years old. And this is scary as shit and it totally affected Whitley's life forever. And like his neighbor friend, who also went to the program where these kids were like locked in these Faraday cages and tortured and this is true MK ultra shit. And he said, you know, the kid across the street from me, he never recovered. He was like locked in his house until he was like 50 years old, you know, it just barely you know is this reduced to kind of as we hear with so many people who are traumatized with that mind control stuff. And this, this folks is, is Whitley Strieber who we all know. So anyway, it's back to Freeman here. I'm talking to Freeman that, you know, I didn't know much about his I didn't know anything about his background. And then I'm reading, or I'm listening to this really good interview he did on Knox Menta. And lo and behold, Freeman reveals that from a very young age. He's this gifted kid. He's this spaceman, which I thought was incredible, you know, what do you want to be spaceman. You want to be an astronaut. That's really good kid. No, I want to be a spaceman. I love that. But anyways, you're super interested in everything UFO space, all this. And then later in life, your dad says, Oh, yeah, by the way, I used to chase UFOs for Alan Heineck as part of the blue book project. I mean, project blue book. So I go on and on, but that'll be a good introduction for folks on skeptical. That's an amazing, amazing story for where you're coming at this stuff. What else can you fill in about that? You know, it was crazy because it was when I went to college, right. And well, you know, thinking of Whitley Streiber and his experience, I didn't really have an MK ultra experience, but I was always put into special courses in school. And when I asked my mom about that, she had no knowledge of it whatsoever. They used to stick me in this room with just a few other kids and we were the specials, whatever. And this is elementary school. And they would set me in this room with just catalogs of note cards. And there were just thousands of them and we were to read them and then take quizzes on them. And I did this for, you know, I don't even know how long. I've been certain that so much data got put in my brain through that. I really even believe that I learned Friday the 13th was due to the Knights Templar back then. Like, I don't know what they programmed in me, right? Like there was just so many note cards, so many facts, and then you just take it all in and take the test. Hold up. What the hell? I mean, I have never heard. So now you're a grown-ass man. You've never heard of that being a standard, any kind of method ever used in school. What do you think was going on there? Yeah, I don't know. And when I asked mom, she's like, I don't know anything about that. Are you sure? Are you sure of that? Because one thing I really liked when I interviewed Whitley, he said, you know, I came out of that thing and my head was so scrambled that I wasn't even sure it really happened. And he said, I had to go and trace down other people who were with me at the time and say, do you remember when we were nine years old and we went through this thing? And that confirmation for him was like life changing because it was like, okay, I'm not totally whacked out. I mean, did you ever wonder if that was like real or like a dream or like, how could that be? I mean, it just doesn't fit. Yeah, I have. And you know, that's what brought it up with my mom. And yeah, I would love to figure out who was in there with me and I don't even remember and get confirmation of that as well and somebody else's experience and whether or not they remember it. I mean, we had one time like this is just an example of memory of me and my nephew walking down the beach in Florida near a submarine base and suddenly night turned today. And I'm looking around like it's daylight. And I turn around just in time to see that glow disappear into the submarine base. And I'm like, wow, that was crazy. What was that? You know, and this was 30 years ago. And so later I asked my nephew, you know, do you remember one night turned today? He had no recollection of it whatsoever. Like, how can you not remember that? That was, you know, the most bizarre instance other than seeing giant flying rectangles and flying these because that's my life. Yeah. But then back to dad and that whole scenario, you know, I learned about my mom's history. Oh my God, you know, I had no idea. She was married to like the grand potentate of Kaiser slot and masonry was a billionaire. And then my dad stole her from the worshipful master, which then made him have to leave free masonry because you can't steal another worshipful master's wife. And mom's story, she was raised by a witch that was renowned healer that she would do spells and remove warts from cattle and stuff. I don't know. And so that was like mom's side of the story of running from the Nazis because she grew up in Germany and had to be fled off to this witch in France, you know, and that was mom's story from raised by a witch and then given to the billionaire head of free masonry and Kaiser slotting and then marries my dad. Dad's history is a complete mystery to me whatsoever. He never really spoke at all. And then, then I find out the other then let's see so then I learned a free masonry esotericism all of the magic and the occult. While I'm in college I meet a guy who's heavily into Alistair Crowley now this is 1991 right. So nobody knew any of this stuff like we were like what's esoteric you know and he's like well it means you don't know what it means. And so we're like oh all right sure whatever dude you know. So anyway but he's looking at all these showing us these pictures from a Crowley books and from mason books and stuff and suddenly I recognize the symbols that I'm seeing and I'm like wait a minute wait a minute I recognize this stuff it's in my dad's top drawer. And he's like well your dad's a free mason and I'm like no, you know you're talking about all this crazy magic stuff and I know not my dad know. And so I go home and ask what's up I just learned about this free masonry thing. And that's when he lays it on me well yeah yeah of course I was worse master that I don't even remember what he said about that because then he dropped the bomb about well I used to chase flying saucers from woe book you know. And I'm like well wait wait wait flying saucers are real. And he's like, yeah flying saucers are real. You know I was, I was stationed on a, on a South Sea base with four radar dishes and it was my job to report whenever the flying saucers came over. And I'm like my whole life. I'm known this. I mean a whole life I've been looking at this and you never told me a thing. And he just never said anything more about it. So, 93. I have a massive UFO experience me and a friend down on Daytona Beach is giant flying rectangles hovering out over the ocean. And we're just pointing at it like dumbfounded can't say a word. And then I don't remember it leaving but I remember my finger moving when it followed the craft or whatever this thing was it was like a giant window and space I couldn't even, you know, had it was rectangle. It doesn't fly. I don't know it didn't make any sense right. It wasn't metallic or anything it was a giant red glowing rectangle. And so we witnessed this thing we're sitting there looking at it we're sitting on a lifeguard stand it's it's spring break. There's 10s of thousands of people behind us on the strip of Daytona you know it's just massive party right. And we weren't ready to go there was about 10pm we weren't ready to join in we wanted to go to the beach first and then, you know, go join in the festivities but it was 10 o'clock at night on the beach and then this giant rectangles hovering over the ocean. And we're pointing at it and then I see my finger follow it away we jumped down like oh my God what was that and we want to go tell everyone that we could possibly see. So this is two years after I. So I learned of dad and college in 91 when I started, and then in 93 when I graduated. This is what happened. So we're, we run over to the strip. We're ready to just tell anyone and everyone. Oh my God you won't believe what we just saw. We get to the strip which is only a block away from where we were. It's empty. It's completely empty. There's no one like where'd they all go. We thought we were in a twilight zone we're freaking out like walking down the middle of the strip and Daytona no cars no people know nothing what happened. We thought we were the last people on the planet everybody had been abducted or we'd been moved into another dimension who knows it's just everybody was gone. So we walk and we walk and suddenly we see a group of people and we're like hey man, what time is it. And it was like 233, there's like 330 in the morning everybody had gone home. So we had lost from 10 told three, just gone. And then I didn't remember this and then this is also very strange the person that was with me. He's ended up living in every state that I've lived in and he lived in Texas when I live in Texas living in Kansas when I lived in Kansas he lives in South Carolina now. And we don't talk. We haven't. Yeah, like, you know, it's just one day in Kansas I ran into him. And so I brought him home and was like, you know, just introducing him and he told the story to everyone which is always nice. When you want to confirm a UFO story to people when somebody else brings it up and tells the story. So, but so this guy. But how does he process the five missing hours. He claims he doesn't remember much. And when he when I questioned him on it. He said, well, do you remember seeing future Orlando. And this I didn't, but I kind of do like I kind of think I remember but I'm not sure. But what was weird is after that event I had always said that I was shown the future because I started predicting world events right after that. And if we were shown the apocalypse or something, because from that moment I, you know, I predicted 911 I predicted W would be forced into office I predicted Barack Obama wouldn't have a birth certificate I predicted, you know, just over and over and over again I mean not 11 was the big one that one freaked everybody out. How'd you know how'd you know. I'm not sure I just put the pieces together you know it just seemed right. You know the reason I was kind of poking at that I mean this is like, at this point, so standard in the UFO contact experience when there's two people. And, you know, like sometimes they'll be even, I don't know if you experience this with your friend but when it does come back for people. There's almost kind of some resentment like, Hey, why didn't you help me you know or what happened you know or this kind of denial don't ever bring that up it's interfering with my life kind of thing. So it is cool that you're able to get your friend to confirm it, but you guys didn't feel a need to kind of explore that or explore. I mean, did it really. Did it really interfere with your life in terms of, you know, figuring out what that what that meant. Not not as much because I was already a free being. And so, you were like a surfer and right. I was a total beach bomb. Yeah, and then I ended up into a van person. So the moment I graduated college I just got in a van and I left and I traveled the country for the next decade. Yeah, but you're out there in Daytona where they all those frickin sharks. I don't know how you guys serve. In California we don't have sharks so once every 20 years, you guys man it's like, aren't you fighting them off every time you go out in the water do you still go out in the water. No, I actually quit surfing hurricane David, when I caught my first nine foot wave and did not know what to do and fell off of it. And it never occurred to me that you could fall off the wave. The waves in Florida are like four feet high tops. And this, I decided to go surfing during hurricane David. And I got on this wave and it just kept going up and up and up and up and I'd never experienced an actual curl or an actual wave. I didn't know what to do and I literally fell off the face of it and so I'm like falling through the air. Like, oh my God, what just happened and then I hit the bottom of the ocean. And then the wave came down on top of me. It cracked my surfboard and half cash my leg open pummeled me across the bottom of the ocean floor for a while. And finally I rose up and I never surfed again. I just entered stuff out here and I am not a surfer. I mean, if ever anyone ever sees me on a surfboard they would confirm that but you know, both of my boys were were in our, you know, surfers and yeah I mean that's like that stand stuff out here you know getting the washing machine and how long could you hold your breath and all that stuff. It was that much of a surfer. I just happened to have my, my nephews hand me down surfboard so I did it, you know, on occasion but yeah there were three of us living in a Camaro with a surfboard. So you would actually fight to sleep in the driver's seat. It's actually the most comfortable spot, believe it or not in a Camaro three people living in it with a surfboard you know it was. So, but you know to add the final bit to this puzzle so in 2004. I was given the access television show I started the Freeman perspective. You know this is before YouTube and Google and all that. And I'm actually in the studio right after Alex Jones. So that was kind of exciting I got to see Alex every week. But I scheduled my dad as my first whistleblower interview. Wow, great. Well, yeah it would have been except for he died that day. Very strange no one expected it was not anticipated didn't know. He simply did not wake up on the day that he was supposed to do the interview now I was in Texas and was going to fly to Florida that day to interview my dad. And I got word, you know, don't come. And so that was rather shocking and once I looked into my dad's history a little more now if there was ever a potential MK ultra or abuse victim you know it was him. And all of the weird stuff I mean he was on killer one with Jimmy Carter the first killer submarine. Jimmy wrote my dad when he became president. You know, there were a lot of weird weird connections that were in dads. I've got some of the weirdest Masonic documents from like Iceland and stuff for him. I have his Supreme Council, you know, the 33rd degree stuff. I have just also in your personal history. Going to North Dakota working on the nukes back and working on the nukes again not you, but your dad. And again, you know one of the things I thought was interesting about that. And I really want to get into this if you're comfortable with it is because it's something we all go through you know we become adults, and we unpack all that stuff. We see it differently because we are actually able to walk in your in that person's shoes you know, and I can just imagine you know you going through that of your dad being told he's got to go to North Dakota. You know what is that all about after everything he's done and you know that your dad's relationship with his with your mom, you know and that whole thing. I mean, as you start putting those pieces together. I mean, how does that, you know, where does that take you leaves me confused. You know what what what I found really intriguing is while I've done this and brought these things to light is that those that are really interested in what I'm saying, find out that their families involved. I'm here at Thanksgiving dinner at my roommates house, and I just interviewed text Mars on hand signs and gestures of the Illuminati. And so I brought it up at Thanksgiving dinner which you know wouldn't be something normally I would do but I just finished the interview and I was excited. Hello and behold I opened a can of worms. It turns out my friend's dad was all involved in chasing flying saucers and project. I can't remember are something either way all of a sudden his dad just starts going off at Thanksgiving dinner and I totally destroyed Thanksgiving dinner because, and my roommate did had no idea that his dad was into all of this stuff and but I opened the door and his dad started blurtin it all out brought us back into his secret lab where he had all of the data and stuff and, like my friend had no idea. So, it's really like it's to me speaks heavily of genetic memory. Yeah, yeah. Well, in, yeah. Well, on a couple of different levels right. I mean, one is the kind of literally genetic bloodline alien kind of stuff. But the other is just kind of kind of a genetic memory in in a, in a not a literal sense but just kind of, you're in that soup. And I think sometimes as kids, you're picking up little bits and pieces of conversations, but also just picking up energy and feeling and emotions and stuff that, you know, you're somehow processing again relating it back to to Whitley, you know, he doesn't know his dad is in, you know, military intelligence, his mom is a military intelligence to kind of same as yours. And you know the other interesting thing I was just going to throw out there just kind of random thoughts but that's okay. If you ever look into anyone ever looks into Ted Kaczynski and a lot of people have kind of reported on this it's not like I'm breaking anything here. But again, you know, and he's the unabomber right. John Connor. What's that? John Connor. Who's who's John Connor? John Connor was the, the time traveler that tried to destroy Skynet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But so not so let me go a different place. Sorry. Ted Kaczynski. He's a freshman at Harvard. Do you remember this part of his, his biography? This is like true. This is like documented. He's he goes into this class. And he just starts as a freshman. I don't care if you're at Harvard, or if you're at Savannah State. I mean, a freshman in college, you're like your most vulnerable time in your life, you know, you've left home and stuff like that. Suddenly, Kaczynski is in the middle of this experiment. The whole class is an experiment of whether you can fucking destroy somebody. I mean, so they just start, they just start kind of ripping him up really, really bad and telling him, you know, how stupid he is and you know how he's just just totally destroy the kid. And he goes back and everyone in his family says he's a changed person after this. And this isn't like, you know, they put electrodes on his head or anything. They did it just with social conditioning. And the fricked professor who needs to be, you know, kind of hung by his thumbs or worse was working for MK ultra. It was just a little side project like Oh, you know, along with all the other shit we're doing. Let's see if we can just take young, impressionable kids and just kind of crush them socially. And what effect that will have. And we don't have to draw a straight line and say that's why the guy became the unibom or that's not my point. You know, when we all try and put together and I don't have that history. I really don't. I can't, I can't front say that I wouldn't want to, you know, I'm glad I don't have that history. But when we try and relate to like your story, I think we got to be a lot more open to all the crazy shit that went on and all the different ways they did this. Do you have any, any thoughts on that and, and how it might relate to, because again, I can't get past this thing of the school and the cards and was this in North Carolina or South Carolina or. No, I'm Florida in Florida. It's close to military base. Oh yeah, I was born on a military base. Dude. I don't know. I mean that just sounds so frickin strange. You know, the nuclear naval base right there. So every Friday we got to listen to the cannons go off for their ceremony because you know, you said genetic, you know, so if genetic programming. So if we just treat that metaphorically, you know, so your dad has gone through this shit. How open is he when someone goes and says, Hey, you know, we got this kind of thing and you know, it isn't going to hurt your kid but you know, let's see what happens. We'll put him in this room and see if he can record if we can record all this shit into his brain. Right, right. Yeah. I mean as far as I know dad wasn't involved in my life at all but who knows. Like he was a non factor he never spoke. I finally, you know, just gave him this sort of acceptance to say that his entire life was top secret. So what did he have to talk about, you know, other than his war stories. It's interesting that you say that he never talked to right. Yeah, because then what is your experience, you know, growing up and in grammar school and stuff. Like didn't you say you'd like hardly ever spoke unless you know that's true I didn't speak either. No I didn't speak until the seventh grade. I mean I was mute or anything but in school. Yeah I never said a word. We all know that kid. We all know that kid. It was just like, you know, trying to be invisible, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it wasn't like, you know, a conscious thing. I just was super shy. You know, I would pee in my pants before I could get up the courage to ask to go to the bathroom. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's crazy shit. But you know what, I don't want to say that because then that dismisses the whole thing. I think what we're trying to do what you're trying to do on your show is kind of just continue to poke around at all these things and just see what falls out. So, I'm glad we went down this whole thing because until you start in particularly until you start comparing those experiences with other people's experiences. I mean we can't even begin to get a handle on that isn't isn't that what I mean I've listened to somebody your interviews I'm listening to your interview, Kathy O'Brien, and you're like, you can hold space for Kathy O'Brien. Even though you didn't go through that kind of, you know, sexual abuse and manipulation and satanic crazy crap, but you can hold space in a way because of the experience you went through. And it sounds different on your show than it does on other people's shows. Absolutely and you know I consider Kathy a close friend now which is amazing to me. And right after Kathy left Mary Sean Young stopped by. So I was feeling pretty king of the castle at that point. Because she's also a good friend and I just finished speaking with Sean stone and Mary Sean Young had held Sean stone as a baby she's like yeah it's like holding a bag of bowling balls in Wall Street the movie. I had all this cross connection going on because I just talked to Sean stone and Kathy O'Brien and then Mary Sean Young shows up at my house, you know, and I'm like well this is just too much I can't believe where I'm at in life right now. This is but yeah I mean I was the one who unveiled the idea of high profile rituals. And then the internet just took it right like I was the first person to come on television and slap Satan in the face and say here is some live real time MK ultra going on right now. I had a report on Anna Nicole Brittany and mind control, and I had studied mind control MK ultra and all of these techniques so deeply that I was traumatized. So I was freaking out I even asked red ice to remove the second half of my interview because I scared myself so much with what I had revealed. No one had talked about high profile rituals and Hollywood and and politics until me and I brought that to the surface along with the corporate logos and the secret science. And then that just exploded across the web. And no one. No one realized that it was me that started that whole conversation like I was quickly forgotten that it was me that taught David Ike about Illuminati corporate videos and it was me that taught the world about the high profile rituals because mine started with Y2K. And I've been talking about that since then I mean, and that was the moment tell me then that's that's freaking amazing. That's amazing and I feel really sure without I haven't looked into that but I just have a gut sense that you're totally right. Especially David Ike. I love David Ike, but all his virtually all his I mean he has a direct experience which matters you know, but I he borrows a lot of stuff and that's okay you know it's like stealing jokes I don't think that's particularly bad you know but you should reference people a little right but anyways. Tell me why to K I don't remember the significance of that in terms of a symbol or a sign. Yeah, see that was when it all began for me to click because let's see so I was working and going to Kansas University at this point. 1999 I was, I was actually the pizza hut guy at Kansas University, and I was feeding the lawyers and the engineers. So I would bring in all this documentation and stuff you know like harp and stuff and they would be like, oh they can just say whatever they want on the internet. And you know then why to K started coming around and I was bringing them documents from FEMA and the DoD that said prepare for three days and everybody's like, you know, you can't believe what you read on the internet. It says dot gov this is your government telling you to prepare for three days I you know, oh you just go back to your bunker. You know, as if I was panicking I'm not panicking I'm just letting you know that this is your government telling you to prepare. I honestly don't believe in the Y2K meltdown it wouldn't make any sense they've known about this since 1974 you know it's like if it does happen it was planned. Now that was when when the Y2K ritual happened, I actually quit the world at that moment. So since 1999 until 2021 I have not had a legitimate job. I quit the world all together when I realized that nothing was real. Nothing was as we thought. So for Y2K. They did a massive glory ritual to Lucifer across the entire planet. So it started with this little island. I think again in the South Seas I'm not sure but the island adopted daylight savings time so that they could be the first one to hit Y2K. And they have them in there are straw grass skirts and stuff while doing a hula dance or whatever it is any while. And then that ritual moved over. So for examples, the ones that come to mind right away well the igniting of the phallus in Paris the Eiffel Tower Masonic construction. Then they built the millennial dome there in London next to Big Ben which complimented the male female phallus symbolism, meanwhile also inserting the I the giant ferris wheel. And then they burnt the river tames to the speed of the sun with fireworks. So that was like the river sticks. And then it came over to America and Bill Clinton was standing there saying our children are ready. It is a rising sun. And then they made a light so bright behind I think it was the Lincoln Memorial I'm not exactly sure but they made a light so bright like I was witnessing and at the beach with with my nephew that it lit up as if the sun was rising in the west. And then these were all symbols of Horus. Oh well of course I left out the most important was the rumors that the Grateful Dead would be playing at the the pyramids and stuff or Pink Floyd I don't remember. I think they would say in the Grateful Dead but either way I knew that all of that was wrong that John Michael Jar was going to be playing the 12 Dreams of the Sun, which again goes back to the solar symbolism. And then they had a new bus, a multitude of a new by standing there in black men in black suits holding torches. As they announced the new year and they had all of the symbolism of Horus going across the pyramids. They were supposed to cap the great pyramid with gold. So when people were talking to me about why to K then the lock or the potential of you know the computer meltdown I would say but no they're capping the great pyramid with gold. And they were like what do you mean by that it I'm like dude I know you know they're there. It's the completion of the new world order you know they're going to cap the great pyramid. I don't get it you know nobody was under this stuff yet. And then the weirdest thing happens and I followed this through enterprise mission with Richard Hoglund as he was covering it live. Now back in 99. You had to just read stuff. And so I'm reading all of this stuff as it's happening. Hey quick pause before you get into Hoagland because I want you to remind people who Hoagland is because he's kind of falling off the radar but he was a super important guy back there. And the other thing that I wanted to clarify. So for a minute, are you kind of saying that the computer meltdown your ATM card won't work was kind of a head fake to kind of distract or is that what you're saying or what. Yeah, honestly at the time I didn't have enough knowledge to really sort out why they would put such a thing out I wasn't thinking of such things at that time. But I had already done enough research on it to know that this was something they had known about for 20 years. And that I just knew there was no way that they would let the credit system and the money system fall. And oh well you know what it did do was that they they charge $10 per line to repair it. So if you take just the Department of Defense, just a portion of the Department of Defense had 500 million lines of code just for one department inside of the Department of Defense that was one that I had followed 500 million lines of code at $10 a line. You know they made billions off of y2k. Okay, I mean that's pretty right. I'm always a little bit leery of the there's always a financial play in there. But what about from that kind of higher social engineering kind of thing. Again is I'm just asking I don't know I don't have no opinion this is like, I know half the story but you're adding so much to it. Is it is it kind of a head fake get everyone thinking it's one thing so there's less attention paid to what we're really doing kind of thing or I guess that would be my thought now. Yeah, yeah, everyone's breathing a sigh of release. Ooh, everything didn't crash so your note you're just kind of numb to the fact of what's really going on from a ritual basis. Right. Yeah, that was that was my later thought. But yeah at the time I didn't have enough knowledge to really even try and understand that. Okay, so then so then Hoagland what's the connection with Hoagland and remind people about okay so Richard Hoagland was the one who came out with the face on Mars, Sidonia and pyramids on Mars. The science guy right mainstream. I think it was like on CBS, you know, he'd be like the science guy on CBS news occasionally, if I got it wrong, it was like ABC was one of them. But, and then he started doing this kind of stuff that was much more fringy to right. Right. And this, I believe what I'm talking about now with Y2K predates all of that. I don't know if I remember correctly, it predates the Sidonia stuff because he was, he was investigating harp, quite a bit. And, but though the story that caught me was on the capping of the Great Pyramid with gold. There, there is a, if anyone can find it if there's a hoarder out there somewhere because USA Today is not database, the newspaper USA Today has never been database like you can't go and find micro fish in the in the library or anything ever. They never did. Right there were just a newspaper that came out and you just they were not database right. It's a very Masonic newspaper USA Today. So if you ever want the Mason perspective, then that's where you go. So the headline for Y2K. Well actually it was December 18 1999. So if you have a stack of USA Today somewhere from 1999 line around please look for this for me because I've been trying to find it ever since. I picked up a copy that day I don't know why I didn't. I guess because I was a wage slave and I didn't feel like paying for a paper but December 18 1999 you can't even find this online. The headline read Muslim stop the free masons from capping the Great Pyramid with gold. That was the headline December 18 1999 on USA Today. No one noticed nobody cared. No one said anything about it. But what was curious with Richard Holglin is he was tracking the the same things me and him were on a lot of the same, you know I just love to eat and stuff up like I just anyway. So there was Egyptian flight 990, which was named Thothmosis, which some have even believed Thothmosis was Moses and, you know, converted from Egypt. But anyway, so Egyptian flight 990 flew out of New York. It went and landed in LaGuardia. I got that backwards. Okay, so it starts from LaGuardia. It lands at Patterson Air Force Base. And I have to keep all these these names straight. It picks up 33 Egyptian military there. Now this is the first time a commercial airline had ever landed at any of these bases and especially this one. And this weekend we can find documentation on this. Yeah, Egyptian flight 990 990 and then the 33. Right. Right. Yes. Okay. Yeah, 33 Egyptian military plus head of jet propulsion laboratories. So we got the Crowley Crowley and Carson's Enterprise. Exactly. And so then they fly from, I'm pretty sure it's Patterson. We can double check that. But of course it was a UFO base. And then so these 33 Egyptian military and the jet propulsion laboratory scientists fly off to LaGuardia to start their trip to the pyramids to Egypt. And this is all, you know, right before Y2K. And the airplane Egyptian flight 990 suddenly takes a nose dive. And the pilot seems to get control of it again. And then it takes another nose dive. He calls out a Muslim prayer because he was an Egyptian pilot. The airplane crashes into the ocean. Everyone dies. So since this was pre terrorist, they called it pilot suicide because of the prayer that he called out. And so then all of those people died and suddenly they announced Muslims stop the Freemasons from capping the Great Pyramid with gold. And the capping never happened. They of course later said that the reason the capping of the pyramid didn't happen was they were worried about the helicopter causing destruction as they laid this giant gold capstone on top. Because you can find the story about them canceling the capital or the capping of the Great Pyramid. But you cannot find that USA Day today headline that says Muslims stop the Freemasons from capping the Great Pyramid with gold. I've wanted that forever ever. I got I'm so mad at myself for not buying it. You know, this is the kind of stuff like I always have to tell folks like you, you know, because sometimes I think you guys. I don't know, I shouldn't say this, but like, I started my thing talking to scientists, and I still talk to a lot of scientists, you know, like, Donald Hoffman, you know, as a physicist at Caltech, you know, he's got a really popular Ted talks and he's kind of a frontier science guy, but he's a fucking physicist at Caltech, you know. And so I got hundreds of venues with people like that. And they're awesome. Don Hoffman particularly is awesome because he has this spiritual side to and he has a steeper understanding of consciousness. But that whole world that I started with, they are completely shut down on all this stuff. And the really hard part is because Lord knows I've tried, they don't have a path in. You know, like they've totally shut me. I shouldn't say totally because I still have a ton of friends in that community. But you talk pizza gate. They're gone. They're gone. They're saying you're Q and I don't even know what I wouldn't even know where to begin with Q and on is all I know is, you know, it's like if you talk to anyone who's really investigated the abuse of kids and dissociative, dissociative identity disorder and MK ultra as a part of, you know, again back to Whitley Strieber, but then if you also look at it from a satanic ritual abuse you know documented cases where they've actually arrested people and put them in prison. The first thing they'll tell you about pizza gate as well. I don't know if your pizza gate thing is true or not but it's certainly fits with just about every, you know, a dozen other cases that I've heard. But I guess back to my point is, there's a whole other world out there of people who are totally shut down to this. And I think that's really a problem. The problem going forward, because if you can't hear the 990 the 990 story that you just said, and maybe I'll put it this way. This is just my little rant here for a minute. But if you don't hear the night if there's two ways to react to the 990 story. First is, okay, next, give me the next, you know, this, if they're listening to me they're going Alex is on is another wacky thing next show, right. But the other thing is to go. Oh, I got to immediately go Google that. I got to Google the shit out of that. I got to spend the next two hours getting to the absolute rock bottom of that, because if that's true. That's going to fundamentally change something I believe, you know, and if we can't get more people into that second category of saying, I don't know if it's true or not but I know enough to know that that's something that has to be investigated if we can't get there. I mean, that's where I really think they got us exactly, exactly where they want where, you know, we don't know how to figure out what's that all sign shit from Sean Ola, you know, we don't know, because we have all the resources right there we got the frickin internet the great, even as much isn't even as much as they've taken away. There's still enough there to do stuff. I totally agree. I totally agree. Here we are. I thought this was going to be the full on information age dump and everybody was going to be up on there. And no, it was the worldwide web became quite the disappointment. Well, or, well, I mean, as far as we became right right truth community became quite the disappointment, you know, like, Hey, so one thing we are going to got to talk about today, because in that topic. I mean, we got to talk about flat Earth. Oh, God. Because man I hear you saying two completely different things about flat Earth. And one of them, I totally get and I totally think is important to kind of understand you know, in terms of just this kind of uber empiricism like show me prove me everything because I don't believe anything anymore. What I hear you saying is, you know, you're kind of a space guy so it's like, on another level, I don't think you're taking it, literally true but more as a kind of metaphor for, you know, kind of questioning what we, what we know and what we believe what weird. No, no, that's exactly correct. And anyone that I've had on the show about flat Earth would never actually state that they believe the earth is flat. It was always an investigation into deconstructing reality, like how much empirical data do you actually function from. You know, you look at an earth and we're, you know, it could be flat. It could be, you don't know, and that's the more important thing, not the state that you know, and to realize that you have been lied to over and over throughout your entire existence by conglomerate of scientism. So how much do you believe because you actually know it or how much do you believe because you've been told it. And do you really think there is a earth core, like, you know, to know what he's been inside the earth. We've never cut a planet and have to see what it is. So it was always about deconstructing reality to the empirical data that you actually have, and then go, you know, I'm more than willing to play thought games and see where they go with it. I mean, no, I totally believe in space. I don't believe in a dome. I watch way too many rocket launches to think that they're just dumping them in the ocean. You know, that was always my big question. Well, what about all these rockets man I'm watching five rocket launches a week this year you know 2020 was like the year of rockets. What are you saying about those and, you know, well they just dump those in the ocean there's just pile of rockets in the ocean. But then you got to you know then you get the whole did we land on the moon, you know that comes into the story and I don't know but obviously not in the craft that they showed us. You know, but then you got things like Buzz Aldrin's monolith on Phobos. And there's absolute proof of the monolith on Phobos sort of because there was a mission to Phobos, and they wanted to see inside Phobos they wanted to see a Phobos was hollow. This was a recent mission you know within the last five years 10 years something like that I covered it when it happened. And they had to announce to us that we would not be able to see the monolith on Phobos because the cameras had to be shut off for them to run silent past Phobos and be able to see inside you know. So they announced I mean NASA announced while we won't be able to show you the monolith. So you know there was some confirmation at least that there was a monolith on Phobos. Yeah, I'm I'm you know I'm a space kid I grew up at Cape Canaveral I watched almost every rocket launch there was you know I've been there I've done that I touched them. So let me let me float something else out there and I don't know exactly where you're coming down on this but I can kind of guess. And that like so again you know, first of all, your background which we talked about a little bit is amazing. It's kind of scary in a way, you know for me, you know, I'm a dad I got four kids. And to think to think of a kid going through, you know the experience that you did, I mean, it's just, it's just, I don't know, you seem like a very, you're making a huge contribution. It's served you well in so many ways, but at the same time. I hate to think that, you know, there's some trauma there that just comes along, I guess we're all traumatized so I don't want to be a big deal out it's your fucking life. Not mind, but I was raised that way, you know, I was raised very conventional Midwest, you know, dad was in business and you know we went to Greek Orthodox Church but we all know it was bullshit. We were scared as hell because it scared the hell out of us, but you know it was like business. So that's what I did man I played football, and I did business, and I made money, but all along I was like taking yoga classes from yoga Nanda out here in California and correspondence and not telling anyone because, you know, there was just something. There was that side of me to that I didn't know and I was always determined that if I got to a point where I didn't have to, you know, just work for a living that I don't want to figure out the big picture questions you know who are we why are we here kind of stuff. So I did. And, you know, when I was podcasting was just, it was just a vehicle you know it was just like hey you know these people like if you say you have a show. All these cool people will actually talk to you right and call them up kind of. But it kind of that's a kind of a long way around the barn way of getting to this science thing that is kind of important to me because I think we are going to need science going forward. So what we've experienced in this last year is kind of like, you know, the file slap in your face, joke science, kind of explosion, where these guys don't even feel like they need to really even present any science, it's just all fake. It's all overtly fake and they don't even pretend like it's anything else they're just going to pass along edicts and you know you're going to follow it and there's no pretend like there's a phony baloney scientific board that's reviewing it it's just like hey man. This is it, you know, and we were asleep at the switch with some of us were some of us weren't I wasn't, you know when they tried to pull the whole thing with with climate change and they got called on it over and over again and I think they kind of learn their lesson this time they're not waiting to go won't even go on that way. But again, maybe I'm a long way around the barn, because my point is this flatter stuff. This looks so sciopy to me. It looks like such a controlled meme narrative to implant into this alt alt community this truth or community whatever you want to call it that were a part of that I feel like I'm a part of. It seems like such a fucking head fake to immediately divide people, because like I say, you know, Freeman, if I go back through my interviews. There's 200 people that I could never even. I wouldn't even have a chance of talking to them, if I said well you know flat earth I mean maybe we don't know this. It would be a non starter it would be not even wrong kind of thing it is so it and the fact that it's gained so much traction and again so this is a legitimate question here it's not really a rant, because my experience and do my show and I've done my show for a long time. The first I really heard about flat earth because I knew is, I don't know where people were popping up with you know show suggestions to do a show on flat earth, because I had a kind of a science he show. And I was like wow that's really strange why, why are they coming at me with flat earth if they've ever, and they always had this phony baloney like oh, I love the show. I listen to the show all the time, you should do this I'm like, if you fucking knew anything about the show you wouldn't be sending me an email on flat earth. So who is trying to kind of promote this dialogue this debate, scientific debate about flat earth. It just seems so sciopy to me. Yeah, yeah, there's a couple of examples that I've had throughout my career. And first I wanted to go back to my youth and just to tell you that if you wanted to know what my youth was like. Watch the wonder years. It's frigging my life it's crazy I showed it to my mom while she was dying I was taking care of my mom while she was passing from cancer. And I turned on the wonder years for and said just watch this. She was tripping out it was as if they were in our living room, except for I have a big mind people about the wonder years what it was great show. I honestly didn't watch it. I watched it later on in life. And was just kind of tripping out because it was so similar to my life, but so I can't honestly tell you anything about the wonder years, but it's a show I think it's from like the early 2000s of the 1990s but it's really kind of set in the late 60s 70s of a kind of kid growing up who, is faced with all this wonder but his family isn't really open doesn't seem to be open to a lot of wonder but maybe they are kind of thing right I mean it's kind of yeah yeah and that was totally my life I mean literally my mom was tripping out because it really you know same same age same year same and so that one that one could even freak my mom out on her death bed like oh my god I'm watching my life on the wonder years. Okay but on back to the flat earth. I just want anybody to think that I was like raised in some sort of crazy culture, you know, MK ultra thing it was no I had a wonderful wonderful youth. It was, you know, I had an absent father but you know, whatever he took care of us. But as far as like knowledge and emotions that you know there wasn't any of that. But okay so back to the flat earth though there's been a couple examples in my career where I'm a grassroots reporter right like I started the Freeman perspective and no one had ever seen a TV show like that before when I unveiled the corporate logos the high profile rituals. You know, I already was so far ahead that you know my TV show was like this major hit. But of course it was just on access in Texas you know it wasn't until later when Google came out with video that we could start putting online. But you said it was in Austin with Alex Jones. Yeah, I mean, if I'm gonna get into that story real quick I got to Austin I didn't know of Alex Jones. So I had turns out I had heard of him but I didn't know that like I had seen his bohemian Grove film at like three in the morning on Bravo. But when I got to Austin I started hearing him on the radio. So this was 2004. I didn't know of Alex then and so I started to learn I listening to him so he would give an address of where his studios were so I went to hunt him down. Now I was just living in my van on Christmas light street in Austin I did the TV show while living in my van. Wow. Yeah. And I was only in Austin for the weekend. And. All right, I'll give you the whole story where we're just going to have turn this into you're going to have to give me this recording because I didn't start recording yet. This is classic stuff I mean the visual I'm getting is unbelievable Alex has gone to bohemian Grove. He's exposed like for a lot of us in this community, it's just like a monumental event you know Alex Jones in there with yeah so so there you are and you're about to meet Alex Jones because you just living in your van driving around from state to state because you and your nephew were hanging out in Daytona Beach. It had a freaking five hour missing time with this huge UFO in the sky so you're now just a wandering kind of mystic kind of guy. Right, right. Yeah, no I wandered the earth and I told the secret history of him of the world, you know I was studying the 12th planet and key and end will and the Lulu and all of that so I was wandering the earth telling everybody the secret mysteries of life on the earth, as if I were like an alien right just visiting your planet and telling you what you don't know. And so, I'm in Austin, Texas for the weekend, and I get, I meet this homeless guy on a city bus. And he's like kind of, I mean anyone else probably would have been scared off by him he had one white eye his gray hair all greasy and tied back but he was so happy. He was like the most jovial guy ever and he bounces over the bus and he lands and then seat next to me. And he says you just look so interesting I want to do your numerology. And I'm like, All right. So he does my numerology and he's like you're the goddess, you're the goddess oh my god. Now what was really weird is I was, I ended up making a film about the goddess about Columbia and I was the only expert you will ever find on Columbia and who she was and why she's our capital and all of that. And so that was kind of weird that I ended up unveiling the goddess as my second television show, because this guy kept saying you're the goddess you're the goddess. But so it turns out he lives in his van just a couple of blocks from where I live in my van. And he leaves a note on my van that says oh you got to go to this mall there's a speaker there and you really should see it. And I didn't know who or what or anything, but I went ahead he gave me all the bus routes you know because you just leave your van where it's parked take bus but I took the bus to the mall I get to the mall it's like a dead mall. You know I don't even think the stores were up and I don't know there was nobody there but I saw a few people wandering around so I followed and I found out there that there was a speaker there and it was George Green. And George Green was the ex financial advisor to Jimmy Carter, you know who my dad knew. And he was a Bill de Berger he was a billionaire and all of this, and he had gone out to Switzerland and met with Billy Meyer, and was now publishing the books written by the Palladians, or as they were known then as the Pledgearans, which was handbook for new paradigm. And I think is what it was called. So, so Billy Meyer just in case people forget is this guy who had these incredible photos of UFOs later exposed that some of them at least were not at all legit. But we never really come to the bottom of that story of, you know this misinformation disinformation real information kind of thing. And a lot of people who really looked into it who thought he was totally legit and still believe he's totally legit. So this is like, just a moon shot that you're there in George Green is talking about just coming back from. I mean that had to be no one new Billy Meyer at this point. It was like right. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I did I guess because I knew like on the X files, you know, the Fox Mulder's poster was a Billy Meyer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Right. But I'm sorry keep keep going to the store you're at the mall. Yeah, yeah, it's George Green. So George Green is like talking to just like a handful of people that are meeting at an abandoned mall in Austin. Yeah. And what was really weird is I had met a number of the people in the audience. Like, you know, I was only there for a couple of days and the few people that I had met were all there. And then it turned out they all knew each other so I was kind of tripping out on all of that. And George Green is showing us how magnitivity gives you free energy and anti gravity. He showed how you could take a piece of PVC tube and put magnets inside of it and if you leave one space blank, you can put that over a magnet and it'll make the magnet rotate and you know he showed us all the examples of this and showed us how on the Billy Meyer spacecraft they had these large spheres around the top of spacecraft but one sphere was missing and so he showed us how the magnetic propulsion worked and all of that. And then he handed us all a copy of a handbook for a new paradigm, which I read and did not jive with at all, like it did not. It didn't go with me at all like I've read all the Barbara Marcini acts and the barber hand clothes and I was a Palladian like when I was wandering the earth telling people I was an alien. I believed I was Palladian, you know, not like I had come from space but that my soul had, you know. And so, I was free to just talk these things openly with people and I knew things that no one knew, such as Sonoma saying claiming to be Nebuchadnezzar reincarnated, and then they use the mother of all bombs in the shock and the moabs attacked Nebuchadnezzar and shock and Oz is a play on the Hebrew word shekaina which is the whirlwind which George Bush mentioned. So I was talking about these type of ritualistic aspects of warfare and all of that. And so during a break in the lecture, we were all standing outside and I started telling people these things. And as I'm talking this seven foot blonde man comes storming over he kind of freaked me out for a minute but I could see that he was friendly and a nice smile on his face but he was like super tall and blonde you know, and he's like you need a TV show. And I'm like what are you talking about. He says no no seriously I want to put you on television and I'm like I don't know, you know am I really ready to stick my face out there in the midst of all that I believe, and actually, you know, come forward as me on television talking about this stuff I'm like I don't know. And he says no look I'll write you a check right here and now if you take it down to access studios and sign up for for a TV show. And I'm like, man, do you know I had like five seconds to decide whether I was going to literally put my face out there for big brother or Satan to take down. And I was like, alright, let's do it, let's do it. And so he hands me the check and I go down to access studios I sign up to be a producer. And I get my time slot. And as I had said I'd been trying to hunt down Alex Jones all this time and I couldn't find him because he lies about where his studio is which makes sense. And there's Alex, you know so it turns out the universe made sure that I was on the same plane as Alex to meet him. You see, because if I had met him in any other way he would have just ignored me. He wouldn't have cared who I was. But because we were now both access studios. I was in the club. And so I walk in the very first moment I see Alex and I'm like hey, you know, I've been waiting to meet you. And I said, I said to him, well I heard you were the only other person to predict 911 to the day. And he said, well, not to the day. And I was like, Oh, because I had, you know, but I didn't predict what would happen, you know he was closer to predicting what would happen. But I knew the day because I follow capitalism and the magic and such and so I was able to predict that there's going to be major terrorist attack on 911 don't freak out this is all for your reaction was my actual quote. But so, you know, so I got to kind of polish my fingernails after Alex saying he didn't predict the day and then I was like, you know, you know that the owl is not molec right that it's actually a representation of the goddess within the Illuminati that they're our worshipers and that these all go to the goddess Minerva Diana. Yeah, yeah, I mean the Illuminati has never used an eye in the pyramid symbol that's freemason. The, and these were the things I was trying to stamp down once my once my information reached the public, it suddenly expanded into this mythos, you know, it went from my science to a mythology and so I've been trying to stamp those wires out all this time saying no look you know but nobody listen to me because they don't realize that I'm the guy who came up with the idea, you know, how that happened is I actually once I learned dad was freemason I dug deep. I've been to every Mason temple in America, just about I mean the major ones that the grand lodges, I've been to every almost every grand lodge in America and in London and in Australia. And even in Guatemala. I went to the lodge there well all of the Mason all the Mayans that I was with in Guatemala were Mason so anyway I got so deep into this I've been to the temple of the 33rd countless times I'm friends with the head librarian she loved me so much she wanted to take me through the building show me all the floor plans secretly gave me copies of morals and dogma and the glossary of morals and dogma and told me to sneak out of the 33rd with them. You know this all happened, and I studied their rituals I have my dad's handbooks he was worshipful master so I have all his secret encoded rituals that I decoded because I was always into ciphers and everything when I was a kid so I did so decoded these entire ritual books and hold on just help me up so you show up at these various freemason temples what's what's your in you know to get beyond just kind of the velvet rope rubbed off part you know is it your dad is it. Do they somehow connect with you know you're coming and what is your no not that I know of I just pay for the tour. But somehow you're you're you're you're kind of brought in at a deep I get singled out right, because I have the right questions. And I have the right interests. So, like when I walked into the 33rd for the first time and met the head librarian. She. Yeah I was asking her about manly P Hall and it just turned out that they had the secret teachings of all ages open right there on the 33rd table. And so, you know then I got all excited about this and was asking about Albert Pike in the Albert Pike room and that's when she left us and she said now you're not allowed to be alone here but I'm going to leave you alone here. She ran off and got the copies of morals and dogma and glossary to morals and dogma and and brought them back and gave them to me in the Albert Pike room who is the person who wrote morals and dogma, and supposedly as ashes were there in the wall to. So, I think it's just because, well like I went to the philosophical research society but this was after I was known like that my times at the 33rd that was in 1999 I didn't have a show yet, or 96. No, it was 1999 was first time it was the WTO IMF protest. So essentially what just happened on January 6. We did that back in 1999 and against opposing the World Trade Organization and International Monetary Fund 500,000 people gathered in the streets. But what had happened was just the week before was the Battle of Seattle where the troops open fire on all the peaceful protesters and shot children and things and I think they even killed a lady. Due to agent provocateurs breaking windows, right so of course I covered that story right before January 6 because I wanted everybody know how this would fall, you know they're going to have agent provocateurs breaking the windows and then the stormtroopers will come in. And so of course that's exactly what happened. So that back in 1999 and and that was the first time I just stumbled into the Supreme Council temple of the 33rd I didn't even know that it was on that block in that neighborhood it's in a very odd space, and I just stumbled across it. And so me and my friend. We decided well let's and I'm sorry what city, what city is this in this is Washington DC. This is in DC that's what I thought you're okay. Yeah. So they had the battle for Seattle against the WTO IMF and there was a full on attack on the protesters so in defiance of that. I went to DC, when the protest moved there the next week. And of course it was a big party in the streets there was no violence there was nothing everybody just had a good time although I watched 600 people get arrested for parading without a permit. And another interesting moment and that was when I was yelling at all those riot squads about these people's rights and then they gave me no response so I yelled at them how many of you are widows sons, which is code word for free Mason, and every head and that turned my direction. So I backed out. And that was actually my very first interview on indie media back in 99 was the first time I did an interview on that. But so I just stumbled upon the temple of the 33rd in DC as we were wandering around. And in 1993, I had actually occupied Bill Clinton's White House for nine days I slept in his front lawn with 100 other hippies. We all slept in the White House lawn for nine days. But anyway, so I stumbled into the temple of the 33rd in 99 and DWTO protest and here we are standing in front of these massive lion knocker doors you know they're like 12 feet tall doors and there's no, there's a little button. It says ring bell. And I'm like, you know, I'm sitting there like red and stupid like do I push it do I push it. And before I even got a chance to push it another Mason walked up behind us and when I say another Mason people think I'm a Mason I'm not never have been never done anything but I've been deep inside of all of this, but a Mason walked up behind us and at that moment the door opened in front of us. And so that we're just kind of caught in the middle, and they say what do you gentlemen want. And I said, Oh, we want to see the library. And they said, Oh, come on in. And I was just so excited I was just like out of my skin and the, the lead librarian caught up on my excitement and wanted to show me everything. So that was my first time there and since then. But then I got the TV show started presenting all of this stuff and then I went to the philosophical research society which was run by Manly P Hall which if you guys don't know about Manly P Hall and his philosophies I highly recommend them. He wrote secret destiny of America and other book I mentioned earlier morals and no no no that's Albert Pike Manly P Hall wrote secret destinies of America and whatever I'll get it'll flash back in a minute but when I got in there I walked in and I was instantly recognized by the doctorate people like they hold doctorate degrees there at the philosophical research society I was an instant celebrity walking into this place had no idea I was going to be welcome like that was given. Granted the honor of sitting in Manly P Hall's chair which is like unheard of. I mean is this because the show had somehow gone, you know kind of gone bigger than just Austin kind of thing. Yeah yeah yeah once the TV show got on Google I had millions and millions and millions of followers and then once they took me from Google and put me on YouTube. I was completely shadow banned I can't even upload my own videos to YouTube most of them, like my lectures. Side note discussion after you get done with this because I want you to finish that story. I think there's an interesting little point there of maybe the first guy to really be shadow banned. So many people to this day don't even understand or acknowledge that that's a real thing, but so you get the honor of sitting in Manly P Hall's chair. And you know the other thing that I just would love to hear you comment on because I've always, I've heard this you hear this in different people is that what fun is it to be in this kind of occulted knowledge. If you can't reveal it sometimes you know what I mean, it's like the right because don't you find that with these people it's like what's going on now. They kind of want to put it in your face in a way they want to hide it from like some people but then for other of us they want to kind of rub it in the face. What do you think of that as as you're sitting in Manly P Hall's chair. Yeah. I'm not much into exclusivity really. So yeah that was always. I even you know to get into your type of topics I did a past life regression young Ian past life regression. And it turns out in my regression I don't know you know how much. And it turns out I was I was like this fat bald Egyptian or Arabic or something. Look, I look like the guy in Aladdin, the little fat dude right. It turns out that I had gone into the Egyptian priests and stolen their book and had running out to share it with the public and I was cleaved with a sword through my collar bone straight down through my heart. And that was my death and so that was my Egyptian past life. I was actually starting to steal the knowledge from the Egyptian priests and give it to the people. Okay, so you're back in. I mean what I was just reacting to is it's it's it's a huge if people are even following the story this far, you know the another huge leap but it's also like we've heard it so many times is that somehow they know that you are kind of supposed to be there supposed to be, you know, in the chair. I have an angelic shine. Right. I'm fully alive when I'm out there on the road like that and maybe even mostly you know here. I'm sure a residual but I shine like an angel, and people feel that and miracles happen in my life every day of the week when I'm on the road it's and that's the thing that I spend most of my time trying to convince people of is miracles happen I mean everybody lost faith in miracles this last week. There's a lot of people who severely defeated. But yet my life shows me over and over again that there's a greater guiding force if you're open to it that guides you exactly where you should be instead of where you think you need to be. And that's just been my life and giving up all egoic drive and just allowing the universe to open the potentials for me. And I found that it knew me way better than I know me and it knew the world way better than I knew the world and I kept just getting guided to all the right places at all the right time. I think people would ask me how did you survive 10 years on the road without a bank account without you know weren't you hungry in the streets and I'm like no. I live the life of a multimillionaire I was always at the best parties I was always at the best events I was always in the woods or you know in beauty. Every life every day was fulfilled with just great joy and wonder. And so I think that registers with people when they feel that they want to be a part of it. And so then you get pulled in and I think that's more of what it was. Yeah, that's that's that's amazing. I gotta I gotta punctuate that because it's so frickin awesome what you're saying. And I also think that if people can get beyond kind of the trauma shock that they feel, which my thing is always is you're triggered. Hey it's your job not to be fucking triggered you know what I mean. Right. Keep your system so that you're not triggered but to your point. When you look into the eyes of the people who right now seem to be our enemies. I see fear. I don't see what you're talking about. I don't see the angelic love the wonder, the divinity, the, it's all part of a plan. I see frickin fear man. Yeah, that is empowering because it's like, Oh, okay, I get it. That's where you're at. Okay, sorry, you know. Absolutely I feel for them the moment Joe Biden supposedly you know was inaugurated I was like, ah, sorry guy. You're going to get what you what you deserve and I'm sorry about that. This is you just entered hell and you have no idea. But you know so I feel for you, Biden and Harris you know you're going to have quite the turmoil. Yeah, I mean at a soul level. I mean, yeah, we just we don't know you know I just I just kind of go with that with that we don't know. So, you know, hey, this is a fantastic story we gotta we gotta keep going here we can't stop we can't leave them hanging again you're sitting in manly P halls chair because you're the guy right then you're the guy so what happens next. Well, honestly, that was that was the the height of it all. In that sense just to be recognized like I was. And yeah shadow banning was happening back with with Google videos I had millions and millions of views and then I'd watch the numbers dump down to hundreds of thousands and then lower. So even before YouTube, because I'm actually in a documentary about being one of the first YouTubers, but that's because my show goes way back before YouTube and, and you know YouTube was an afterthought to me I'm like well do I really want to break my videos into 15 minutes and put it on YouTube and why not I'll make you know make a few little bits just to make my mark on YouTube. And now I'm in a documentary about being you know, you know we ought to because I'm a I'm a tech guy, you know and used to have a tech business and grew up in that and kind of know all that stuff because I was living in under day to day basis. A lot of people forget YouTube was a startup that Google acquired right and they paid this just what seemed at the time to be a ridiculous amount of money. And I always you know, Novak you know the guy who does. What's the show they're super popular show. I hate when I forget. Secret teachings of all ages was the book I was trying to think of by the way. So anyways, Google, who at the beginning, the running kind of whisper secret from the beginning with Google is that their NSA right it serves these couple of really smart kids who figured out this search algorithm that was like in the next level, and then immediately drew the attention of the people that are monitoring that stuff and they said okay we want to piece that action you're going to go forward you're going to be, you know, at the time it wasn't billionaire thing it was millionaire thing, and, but we're going to be kind of in that, and then YouTube and there's actually this famous quote from the guys, I don't know if this video still out there, but the two kids who started YouTube. And the day they're acquired they're like, well, you know, in typical, you know, you have to remember back at that kind of the internet explosion kind of thing where these kids are totally unqualified you know. Well I think it's going to be a great partnership between us and Google, you know, and we're the king of video and they're the king of search. It's like these two kids of course the next day are like gone you know like hey here's your money, go do what you want but you will not be a part of this going forward. I just think it's so interesting that what you're adding to that story Freeman is that your videos immediately start being shadow band in just in case people don't know you know shadow band is when you're banned to the world but no one is saying that you're banned to the world no one you don't know it. The audience doesn't know it, and the only guy who knows it is some AI bot manager in Google who's playing with the knobs you know behind the curtain deciding what people see and don't see and for the longest time, you know I tell this story I mean I had a friend, because I was in tech you know and selling my company and I knew a bunch of people in Silicon Valley and stuff like that. And I kind of got wind of this and I would tell people, you know what about the shadow band what about the demonization was which was the other thing that they did you know, without notice, and without any kind of recourse, you know people would have their videos just oh that one isn't making money anymore what's what's going on, and it kind of as a psychological thing to it's like, whoa, you know what control do I have. But anyways, when I talked to people in Silicon Valley about that that they just couldn't even wrap their head around that they didn't know. No, no, because Google had this at the, there was this whisper that they were NSA but at the same time, there was this other just kind of, you know, wrap the techie flag around it like this is the greatest thing and Steve Jobs and Bill Gates and you know we're going to be talking about this whole new kind of thing and Google's a part of that and we're the good guys kind of thing and the shadow banning thing didn't fit in with the NSA thing didn't fit in with that story. And now I mean, it's so funny I mean now you wouldn't have any problem. It's in your face again, back to the point I was making about like kind of the occult thing is. I think the next level on the occult thing is to kind of rub it in somebody's face. I mean when you ban people you know you ban the president of the United States you know I mean first start putting warnings on his, you know you can't. You can't. I don't care what you feel about Trump, I got a whole lot of reservations with Trump, you know. I don't care what you think. No one back when you started your show, you know back at the turn of the century or whatever. People would have thought you were freaking nuts if you did a Freeman fly for I Freeman fly prediction saying, Oh yeah, and the present the United States will first be muzzled and kind of restricted in terms of what he has to what he could say, he won't be covered by any of the news organizations, and then eventually he'll be banned while he's in office. I mean, if you would have predicted that people would have just said you're freaking nuts. But it was all, I guess where I was coming at is you were the first one of the first people to kind of experience that with this kind of shadow banning which you got to put the pieces together and say, Well that was always part of the freaking plan right. Yeah. And add to that that all my videos were monetized by YouTube by Google, but I don't get any of that. Like I didn't monetize my videos they did. So all the ads that have been on my videos since, you know, 2005. Go to whoever gets them I don't know. The commercials you see on my videos are not going to me. What do you mean what do you mean process that on a really just kind of base level, like you own the copyrights for those videos you uploaded or you uploaded them way back in the day on Google. And then Google said well we'll just roll those into YouTube, but those will just go into a separate bucket over here. Yeah, we'll roll those into your YouTube channel so they showed up late, and then then they monetize them. I kind of forgot to kind of connect that little monetization with Freeman's account. Yeah, yeah. And then I did eventually monetize my videos. And I was able to get enough money together by house things like that, you know, like it, you know, I got a down payment, but then at that very moment, they, they deleted all all my monetization. And then they took Alex Jones down and at that same moment they came after me. So a number of my videos are gone. A lot of them are gone. And at first they had just in a monetized about 90% of my videos then they just fully demonetized me and then they gave me all the strikes. Right when they were taking Alex Jones down they were also taking me down, but somehow I never got the third strike. I don't know what happened. Maybe they just, you know, I don't know, maybe they didn't want to make me too popular by, you know, banning me and making me known. So they just left me in the shadow band realms they didn't, they never gave me the third strike. The irony is, is that YouTube was started by two guys that wanted to see Janet Jackson bear abreast at the Super Bowl, which is in my second film. And so the whole reason YouTube was built was because they could not find a video clip of Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction, which was actually a high profile ritual, which I covered in my second TV show about Columbia, the goddess. And so the irony is that that's the whole reason YouTube started. But see now okay so going back to Flat Earth and how popular it got real quick I'll throw this out as as an independent grassroots filmmaker and documentarian or whatever you want to call me. Zeitgeist came out. It's like, it's like I immediately got millions and millions and millions of views and I said no that doesn't happen. Right, like I'm, I'm, I'm a grassroots reporter on this information like I started this conversation. And for them to suddenly just be on the, you know, everybody was talking about zeitgeist believe me it was a personal insult. When, you know, and it's all wrong. As a matter of fact, you know, so everything in there and then zeitgeist final conclusion is that humans are evil and need to be controlled by AI but nobody seemed to notice that. But anyway, really, yeah. Yeah, if you get to zeitgeist three. They announced the, what is it the Venus project which Venus is Lucifer. The Venus project down in Florida. Yeah, that's all zeitgeist oriented. And then they tell you actually humans can't be trusted and everything needs to go under AI and robot control so that was the zeitgeist finale and zeitgeist three. Yeah, but instantly when they were saying, you know, when it was on, you know, I was, I was personally hurt by everybody going to zeitgeist and not knowing my work and I'm like this can't be grassroots, you know, just like flat earth. It's like there's no way it gets this popular this quick as another example of that. The whole Obama is a clone of Akhenaten and I prove it to you over and over again with imagery with the DNA with everything now I'm not saying that I know that this is a fact, because I don't have Barack Obama's DNA but if I had Barack Obama's DNA, then I could prove it. And I could prove everything that I've shown about this to you know everything I did show is true. Yeah, it just comes down to that one last final factor for me to say that it's absolutely true but they have Akhenaten's DNA. And if they were going to clone anyone, it would be Akhenaten. Akhenaten. I gotta pump the brakes on that until we investigate it but I think there's a whole bunch of different. You know the one thing I would just interject and this might be a conversation we'll have down the road is the extended realm of, you know, how reality is created and we're co creators of that reality. And there are also kind of divisions in that reality break offs in that reality you know it seems to be in that reality and then, you know, you hold you know you take DMT and they're in that reality and there's shamanic reality. And then I just think there's a lot of possible built a lot of possible connections in terms of genetic engineering, cloning, you know, I will and I will but when I heard that before I just think that's going to be a little bit of a, of a moonshot to people and that's okay. I'm not trying to know I don't want to put, I don't want to kind of put a stop on that like oh my god you know, it's the crazy line thing you know that's my crazy line. Don't go over that or I flush the whole thing down the toilet. I'm just saying that might be one that we could have a further conversation on down the road because the other thing that Obama Obama that seems kind of undeniable is, you know, he's the son of, you know, teen, what's the MTV show before you know 16 and pregnant or you know teen mom kind of thing. This this rebellious teen mom whose dad happens to be frickin CIA all over the place with this furniture store you know all this I'm just sharing it with the audience. You know, oh I have these furniture stores and I move from intelligence base to intelligence base around the country, and I wind up in Seattle, and now my daughter is totally rebelling. So now I move to Hawaii, and now she's really rebelling, and she goes, gets knocked up by this communist guy is a communist newspaper, who happens to be this black guy. And what do I do now you know I have to create this story of this African guy who really is the father kind of thing I mean that's my. I think the evidence for that if that's too much of a moonshot for people is just kind of overwhelming you know but. I don't know I it to me that I'll just I'll just leave I'll just leave that and we'll talk Obama sometime in the future that'd be an interesting conversation but you know where I'm going with with the. With the whole thing of Obama's communist father right. Sure. Yeah, I told everybody he wasn't going away, but my point wasn't more to prove that Obama was a clone at this moment. It was that if if you know we're looking at at Flat Earth. I have as much evidence that Obama's clone I really thought that that would take off I really did I thought people would be talking about it and and freaking out because if you see it, you you're like holy shit. This is crazy. You know this could be real, and I expected it to at least be a part of the conversation within the conspiratorial realms but it didn't go anywhere like no one picked it up no one talked about it and then next thing I know. They're all running around saying Michelle's a man and you know now that the story was completely lost. But if you look at the images that I have of Michelle and Queen T, Akhenaten's mother and you look at Obama and Akhenaten and if you know the history of Akhenaten, then you would realize that this would be what they would do if they had the technology to do it. And just on one note here just as my own little tooting of my horn. I was announcing this I was covering this on the show for for a while. And I kept saying well you know the problem is they've never actually admitted that they have Akhenaten. Like there's never they've never revealed the mystery of KV 55 the where they found King Tut and Akhenaten's mummies they've never actually said whether they were Akhenaten and Queen T and Nefertiti and all of them. And as I'm doing this live on the air. They have a special on on Giza, and there's the head of the Giza Plateau Zahi Hawass stating that he had the Discovery Channel build a DNA lab under the Cairo Museum. And guess what, folks, I have the DNA of Akhenaten and he shows it on camera. Guys. Okay, see now one of the things that just frustrates me is we're like an hour and 45 minutes into this. And if we know it's going to hear that. And so like a discussion that I think would be interesting and it's not really my thing but it's enough of my thing that you know I'm interested in it is the the Frank Marshall Davis versus Akhenaten cloning thing. Like, that's a real discussion that you could have. And again, from my world, it's like, no, it's a discussion that 90% of people will not even, you know, I mean they can't wrap their head around either one of those possibilities. But my point would be, until we can really hammer out both possibilities, you know, we're not even in the game. So can can we just kind of put that aside and let's commit to either on skeptical or on Freeman TV, you know, doing another, you know, pulling like that one apart because I still don't think that the the Frank Marshall Davis thing really got played out to the fullest either in terms of what that means or what that could potentially mean so you want to do that at some time. Sure, yeah, yeah, we'll have to flip the script and, and honestly, I was only, you know, I wasn't going to try and prove it here but just show how certain ideas are promoted like the flat earth and zeitgeist, and others aren't and Well, you know, so so that would be kind of the great topic because now you got me on the Venus thing is super interesting because somebody just pointed me to that the other day in terms of their latest video on COVID. Very, very not interesting, very, very cultish very, very, you know, kind of crazy kind of lead you in and then flip you kind of the classic kind of cult thing. So, you know, next time, it could be the zeitgeist Venus thing the Obama thing. And then there was one. Oh, you know, the other thing that I think plays into that is the secret is another example right. God yeah. Because the secret kind of takes off in this kind of wacky way and then who's behind it, you know, Jay-Z Knight, who was just clearly, you know, overtly cult, you know, and she's, she ever see her husband comes out and kind of alter and goes yeah man I mean she's smoking cigarettes behind the stage you know before she goes out and then puts on this fake persona and does this fake channeling but is it all fake you know and then she's buying these horses for like $300 and selling them for $30,000. Oh, this horse occupies is run by the spirit or is is holding the spirit of the you know kind of thing. So, I mean, that's a whole other topic I would love to get into with you. It's a cult thing because I think, I think our inability to really process how the cult thing plays a part of plays a part in this is it's just it's just really interesting because because like the M.K. One minute hold on this one minute because I got to use the restroom. Yeah, okay. Okay, I'm back. I'm going to try and move towards towards wrapping it up but I'm writing down. I'm writing down a bunch of because because there's, I did remember this let me get this in there because I've been dying to get this in and I'd love to talk more about it next time this is maybe a little bit out of your wheelhouse but I think it's kind of fun to bring stuff to people and then see how they process it in because you have this deep knowledge base and maybe you'll connect but you know where I was going with the I thought we had fun talking about the YouTube Google thing because people forget so much of that stuff and then you added the you know the ritual thing with the wardrobe malfunction first I heard that was from Chris Knowles. Have you had Chris Knowles on your show. Oh yeah. So Chris is great he's been on my show multiple times. He was the first guy I heard talk about that talk about that specific incident but I'm sure you covered it really well too. But those YouTube guys, that's an interesting connection. The other thing I would guess I was gonna bring up is the no agenda I was thinking of John Dvorak you know he's got that super popular show no agenda. And I feel like I don't want to shit on Dvorak because he's great you know he's great great great guy super great guy and I love his whole thing. But the guy has been so wrong if you follow the history he's been so wrong about tech you know like iPhone he was like oh man there's no way there's the first came out he's like oh then I found to I found three. No I was saying there in the same thing with YouTube he's like you'd know man this costs so much money to the band with you know put of these. So just as a touch point for me for a guy who's been in tech you know it's interesting to see same old thing you know who are the experts and who are the real people who know who are kind of behind this But the other thing I was just going to throw out as a topic potentially to talk about next time is Bill Gates because I always hear this thing about how Bill Gates was you know ushered in and stuff like that. Man I lived through that Bill Gates got a huge leg up because his mom was you know super connected with the president of IBM and he gets the meeting and he gets in there and he scams him into there not scams in there because Bill Gates was a really good programmer people forget that I mean he was ripping people off playing black playing poker at Harvard, but the kid could sling code I mean he was kind of this as Asperger kind of guy who could really write code. And even if he took other people's code and rewrote it for its purpose. There's a brick of a talent and doing that you know it ain't easy I see me a program you can't just take somebody's code and rewrite it and make it, you know, acceptable to IBM. But the thing I remind people of with IBM is IBM got hip to the fact that they might lose the keys to the kingdom in their relationship with Microsoft early on. So you know there's the DOS thing the old computer screen with the little green letters on it, and then it's all going to, you know, graphic user interface like Apple had an IBM and Windows or Microsoft saw that they had to copy and they came up with windows. But it was nip and tuck there of there was really Microsoft with Windows they weren't going to make it and the way they make it is with the total collage, you know, bomber who's the CEO of Microsoft hires this intern over the summer and he figures out it's really clue G clue G way to make windows work in a way that what was IBM software OS you even forget about it now but they had the competing operating system there. This is totally geeky stuff, but the way it kind of connects I think is in a way, Freeman, it kind of connects with where we started on this whole thing is that one of the mistakes I think we make is not processing. Everyone's experience as being a spiritual experience, because everyone's experience is a spiritual experience. I don't know what the fuck Bill Gates is doing. I don't know what kind of child porn he has on his computer and why he does that and what motivates him. I know he's a spiritual being living in this kind of biological robot existence and he's in the soup every day, just like I am. And to forget that, I think, I think we run the risk of kind of forgetting our real, both power and responsibility in this whole thing in terms of how we're supposed to be how we're supposed to be that kind of shining divine being that sits in the chair because everyone just sees that that's where you belong, you know what I mean. I think so. Well, I think it to me it goes back to the fear thing. You know, it's that when I hear people talk about Bill Gates nowadays and what he's doing. And he is being literally demonized, which in a way might be accurate in a way that we don't fully understand. And I'm open to that possibility. And I think that has to be factored into, you know, the possibility. I think we make a real mistake if we don't see him also as somebody who's trying to figure the whole thing out in terms of their relationship to, you know, whatever that whatever happens after we die, whatever happens in the extended consciousness realm, whatever happens in all this other stuff. I'm still not I'm still not hitting anything you really can latch on to. Well, I'm comparing it. And, and understanding. Yes, that everybody believes they are doing the right thing. See, I wouldn't say that I'm not saying that I'm not saying that I think some people think that they're doing evil. And they don't really know quite how to get out of it. You know, if you just go watch because I just wrote my book, Why Evil Matters, you know, and how science and religion fumble the big one and the premise of the book is that science just denies evil. Well, it's just a moral construct because you can't have evil because you don't even have consciousness. You know, you're just your life is meaningless. You're just a biologic robot. So science is like, so, but I think that's sigh out. But that's kind of a whole other discussion. And then you have religion who says, Oh no, I'll take exactly what evil is, you know, it's right here in this little book, and I will be the intermediary of telling you what it is and what it is. And all that stuff. All that stuff doesn't work. If you really analyze it. But what I think, you know, back to the Ted Bundy thing, you know, the one thing you can watch on Netflix. Well, there's two things. One, you can watch Leslie Cain's fucking unbelievable top five Netflix series documentary on surviving death and I just had around the show. It's an incredibly well done, you know, reincarnation past life regression stuff but also near death experience. It's it's spectacular. It's great. It's all the rest of that. But I digress slightly because you go watch Ted Bundy. And Ted Bundy is kind of a weird kid who, you know, but is just kind of weird in a normal way. And then he has this kind of weird sexual obsession. And he says himself that he just kind of scratched the itch in a way that invited in something evil for lack of a better word, and how that thing became greater and greater to the point where it just kind of took over. So this is and this is under reported, you know, you can it's right there in Netflix, but it's a tight it's they try and squeeze it out completely. So there is an extended realm there that is that my read of it is that it's still the divine being in there. I mean, Ted Bundy still has a soul. But it's just being so clouded and distorted and compromised by this other energy. However, we're to understand that I'm not saying I understand any of that stuff. But that seems to be consistently what what's being reported is that so now now maybe it makes sense to say, you know, Bill Gates. Yeah, I mean there's some darkness there that we can't quite figure out. But I think we have to approach it from the standpoint of, Well, we don't understand the darkness we don't understand why he's doing what he does, rather than get all indignant on the in the fact that he's doing it. It's like what you said, you know, you said it in a different way earlier, in that you said, Hey, we don't know what this is going to bring. You know, we just have to be open to, you know, a larger plan or just a larger ride on the in the river that we can't really control. Does any of that resonate with you. Yeah, yeah. And you made me think of James Holmes in the Aurora shooting like he had a very similar story of not knowing what had taken over him. And that came from his cellmate. Of course, we didn't get any story from Epstein cellmate since he died of COVID. But yeah, or like the officer who was in charge of security at the Capitol. Right committed suicide, right, we never get to those answers. But yeah. Yes, there's a lot of thought in that and there's a lot of the do with magic and a Gregors and thought forms that are able to take over if you consider free masonry. And that, you know, since at least 1700s or you can go back to even the 11 hundreds if you wish to go all the way back to the Templar and everything and their rituals. These same exact rituals are performed over and over and over and over again in every lodge across the planet. And the same old men getting up on their altars and swearing to the light and doing their rituals of death and resurrection. It's just to be in putting in a Gregor or thought form magic into them that then can, you know, start to rise inside of them. And I even think this about my dad and his silence that there was something else that was in there that had been placed in there and then if you add that trauma based mind control another layer where you're physically inserting this entity or evil into the being. And then you've got a whole nother level that's when you get to like James Holmes and, and, and the others that have crossed over to the dark side. But yeah, the idea of these rituals that are constantly performed in the exact same fashion they have to make sure they're always exactly the same I have a friend who's a mason that it's his job to go make sure each of the people are actually doing it in the exact same fashion. And for thousands of years, men have said these words and cast these spells and said these things. And it's got to have some sort of thought form magic a Gregor type of, you know, entity attached to it. Yeah, and then you go over to the Buddhist and they go, Oh yeah, that's a Tulpa, you know, a Tulpa. Yeah, exactly name for the same thing. And exactly when you have cultures so divided that kind of come to the same conclusion. And then you have, you know, all that evidence that we have kind of modern day evidence of stuff that people think they're channeling an entity and the entity is giving real information and then poof, you know, there's nothing there. Historically, you know, all that things. Hey, we ought to. It's been awesome, man. Yeah. This is a reverse. I'm going to have to do the intro now at the end. Have to do the intro at the end. That'll be great because we'll have to do this. We'll have to do this again. I absolutely am like so totally into your show now. And it's like, I feel like a gift, you know, when you find a new show. Like this for me. And you go, Oh my God, there's all this content out there. I can go pick and choose and hear all this great stuff. So sorry, I didn't know all this fantastic stuff that was out there and I just, I just kind of knew you as this figure. I didn't know the content. So I'm super excited to go dig into more of these interviews. Yeah, and I'm used to it. I would highly recommend going to my YouTube page to start instead of Freeman TV.com used to have all the videos on the website, but it was causing issues. But if you go to the YouTube channel, Freeman TV, then use the playlists. And so start with the TV show because that's my very first presentation and you can follow through the TV shows. And then go through my lectures. Now the reason you have to use the playlists is because I'm not allowed to put my own videos on YouTube so I have to take them from other people that have uploaded them and put them into playlists because they're not allowed on my channel like aliens from hell. I highly recommend it. Aliens from hell write that down. Aliens from hell. It's my epic. It's my magnum opus. It was my final hurrah to the world. I haven't done a lecture since. Well, actually I did. I did one more, but that was my my magnum opus right there and I'm not allowed to put it on YouTube. So other people are, and I also say take all my videos download them and upload them to your channel because I want them out there, but aliens from hell is only in the playlist because I can't have it on my actual channel. And then for you specifically, Alex, Jerry Marzinski is somebody, you know, okay. Because we've had him on a couple of times, maybe even three times and wow, what's what amazing stories. Yes. You know, the did you get to the point in Marzinski with the guy who's directed to go to a field. Yeah. Tell people tell people I'm trying to remember. Sorry. He's remind me he like. He's a convict. He's on the run from the either the police or you know, it's I can't remember the details of how it starts he either breaks out a prison, or he's on the run you know there's like the lights in the background and stuff like that so he hides and the voice because Marzinski's whole point is that he works as a forensic psychologist in Arizona prison system for like 20 years. And so he's dealing with all these people come in, I'm hearing voices okay your schizophrenic and here's what you do. I'm really hearing voices voices you know. So at some point he wakes up and he goes, wow what if these people really are hearing voices. So he goes next level and starts hearing these stories and this one guy, the one that I'm telling you the story I thought was incredible this guy goes okay so like he's he's a convict and escape convict he's running from the police. He doesn't know where he's going. He's directed by the voice to go to a particular field and then like turn right go mile then go into this cornfield. And then right there is cocaine, not like a little bit of cocaine, like a frickin, you know, bushel fall from the sky narco kind of thing cocaine. So, I mean, how do you process that what you know we're talking about you know demons or some other entity or some, you know, directs this guy to go right where and you know that doesn't exactly work out super well for him either you know I mean so right isn't that isn't that kind of how you remember the story. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yes, I could remember the finale. And yeah, yeah, exactly. And the fact that he was brave enough to actually start and talking with these people and then he started hearing things and he started the lightning type crackle electric crackle in the office and good point. Yeah, and and the stories all combined, like separate people telling the same things right. Yeah, it's really fascinating. It's amazing that more, you know, scientists but of course in scientism you're ousted right it's not amazing. It's not amazing. See, that's that's my point and what we'll talk about this. It took me the longest time to realize that, oh, man, that's part of the deal that you know if you're going to control people, you know, from a scientific standpoint, what would you want them to believe that they are limitless beings with a consciousness that survived death and goes through many lives and is kind of this infinite consciousness or be you're a biological robot in a meanings universe forget about it, you know, black Friday shopping credit card that's it nothing you're meaningless. Well, you want be is a lot easier to manage those people than manage the first group. So science is in the business of telling you you're, you know, you're meaningless. You there's nothing to consciousness. It's an illusion. I mean, it's just such a laughable proposition but Yes. Yeah. Yeah, they're cutting all of that off like I have always recommended the celestine prophecies as a guidebook to how to and evoke miracles in your life. Dude, but don't you have to add that to the list in a way of I mean that blows up. I think and have you heard that I mean there's some stuff in there as well that is a little bit. I don't know. I don't know. That's another one to put in the zeitgeist category and at least explore, you know, where that takes you. Right. Yeah. Well, you see I was living it. And then the book came out. And people had always asked me, you know, how do you survive? How do you eat? How where do you sleep? And I was always like, I don't know. You know, you just spent a year on the road. How? And I never had an answer. I'm like, I don't know. Everything just kept working out just exactly as it should. And I don't I can't explain it. But yet everything was perfect, better than I could have planned. And then the celestine prophecies came out and I read it. And I said here, this is what I'm doing. This actually explains what I'm doing. Right. Now I get that. And it's like all it's like the whole co-op story is always the same story, right? It's like, there's this core truth that is like profound. And then somebody says, ooh, let's see if we can get in there and maybe tweak it, nudge it, you know, do it this way. Because the secret's the same way, right? The secret, yeah. You know, it is kind of the same way. And then even, oh, Carlos Castaneda, right? It's like incredible, incredible. I mean, like, I remember first reading that it was like, for so many people, it was an awakening, you know, you wanted to be, you wanted to go find Dan Juan and all that. But then go dig into that, you know? And did he really write that? And where is he in these New York cocktail parties and stuff like that? The co-opting thing is always, always the same, you know? It's like, the example I was using is the Gloria Steinem, you know, the whole Gloria Steinem thing, right? No. CIA, right? I'm not up on that one. Okay. I mean, you can hear it in her own words, you know, she's CIA. She was CIA. And she was CIA before they even plugged her into the women's movement. She was CIA doing these student protest things. And we even have, you know, memos from the CIA where they go, wow, this gal, she is a go-getter, man. Let me tell you, you know, this is like out there, out there revealed, like you can read this stuff. You know who she was outed by? People listen to the show guitar to me saying this. She was outed by a feminist, by a feminist group that was like, what the fuck are you saying, lady? This is like faux feminism you're putting out there. This is like a distorted message. Well, it's a distorted message because it was the CIA's version of how they wanted that thing to go. Yeah. Yeah. If things are rising to the surface, if you're, and you know, the first premise of magic is if you want to control something, name it. And so QAnon and anything that's being promoted, anything that is rising to the surface as part of the scheme, you know, once you start to realize that and then little guys like me and the Freeman perspective and Freeman TV, you've never heard of us. You never heard of me, right? You know, and I've been a key factor in all of the things that you have known, and you don't know that, like, you know, that these conversations started with me. So that's a, that is a pretty interesting point right there that, again, it's another aspect of the co-opting, I'd say, you know, yeah, part of the co-opting is get in there and tweak it. And another part of the co-opting, which we see over and over again is just kind of confiscate it and then just put it out in our own channel, you know, just go grab it, take it and just put it out in our own channel. So we control it. So the one is you go and you kind of buy off Freeman or you catch him doing something he isn't supposed to do or, you know, Timothy Leary, you know, was FBI under threat of jail for like, you know, 20 years. Well, you know, I mean, he was a free man, but how free was he really? So that's, but if they don't do that to you, the other thing they do with you is they go, oh, well, no one's really, he isn't penetrating on a really broad sense. So let's just go grab it and we'll just take what we want, repurpose it. Don't you think? Yeah, yeah, definitely just shadow band me and promote everything else. But let it let it come out a different way, you know, when you're ready, you know, like I say they turn my science into a mythology, you know, everybody talking about Illuminati logos, this isn't Illuminati and it's so frustrating for me to know the science and have everybody misuse terms and have a mythology created out of science. You know, my particular science anyway, and they just mythologized it, they just turned it into this. You're not if you go hunting the Illuminati, you're never going to find them. It doesn't exist. But yet that term I had to literally go change the titles of my films, because everybody was googling Illuminati, not Freemason. And so, you know, I literally had to change terms that I was using, because I never said that they were forms of magic that were controlling your mind, you know, the corporate logos and such they were signs of allegiance. So that Freemasons can recognize another Freemason if they see a canted square they know that that person's been through the third degree. You know, Shell and the star. These are all Masonic logos, Masonic symbols and so as I studied Masonic ritual, as I drove around all of a sudden these corporate logos were speaking a new language to me. And I was recognizing all of the Masonic meanings of Target of Shell of Texaco. And, you know, so it became, you know, I was like, Whoa, wait a minute, these all adhere to Freemasonry. So when I put out corporate logos, I identified them as signs of allegiance for Freemasons. And then it became this Illuminati logo that I have magic spells and are taking over your soul and it became this thing that just wasn't true. Mind blown again. I knew all that, but you just put it with a little twist that totally blows my mind again for even your unbelievable. I don't even know that I'm doing it. You know, that's the big difference here too is I've just lived through all this right this hasn't been internet research. This was, you know, when I started it was books. I had to go to the library. I had to go to the library. I have a massive library. I have a massive library. I have all the occult books I have all the magical orders practices I have dark magic white magic. I have every book on Freemasonry I've every, you know, I have it all I have a massive library. And I read right and I take it all in and then I experience it like Y2K you know that was an experience not a not a research that you know and when I started my television show. If you notice I don't have any notes. I'm just going off of what I remember. And you know it's different because I lived through it instead of researched it. No, that's that's that's really, you know, I'm stumbling here because what I immediately think of is in a way that's the real magical spell today is that now everyone's living through it. I mean, when when we lived through 911. We weren't totally aware that we're living through it. I would suggest that what we're living through now. A lot a lot of people are aware that they're living through it. I mean you talked to a lot of people and they go, even older people and they go, I've never seen anything like this in my life. And that living through it lived experience is a different kind of thing than to to wonder, you know, is it a conspiracy? Is there something else going on to live it as it gets unveiled day by day? It's different, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely. You know, you're not an armchair quarterback. You're actually in the mix of it all and, you know, consider my 911, like when people ask me, well, you know, what where were you on 911. I was being woken up by a horde of people that were pissed off because I had told them it was going to happen. That's interesting. Like you made it happen or something. Yeah, yeah, I could not understand their reaction. Like I'm just waking up. I didn't even know it was 911 that day. Like I was at a party the weekend before. I've been talking about it for three years throughout the whole Clinton era. No, no, no, no, no, wait. Okay. So we're going to stop right there. Okay. We are going to do another one of these. We're going to start because you have great stories. I'm sure you've told the story a million times. I don't care. I want to hear it and then I want to rebroadcast it to other people. But that has to be the opening story. I love that's cinematographic, right? You're in your bed. Everyone knows where they are 911. And you don't even know it's 911 until people wake you up and say, you freaking magician. You freaking magician. You somehow caused that. That has to be how we start our next little dialogue. Okay. All right, we'll put a feather in that one for sure. All right, well, you know, we probably should wrap this one up. We've been going well over two hours now. You're going to have to send me the recording so I can put it out on my line because I never hit record. Absolutely. No, it's, it's been, it's been just, just been great. You know, and in your little email, you said, I think we're going to become friends, man. I think we are going to become friends. This is, it's so awesome, man. I just so respect what you're doing. And it's just been like I told you a couple of times. I'm learning going through your whatever I listen to somebody like you and I'm learning so much. There's kind of this excitement at learning a bunch of new stuff. And there's also this kind of humility. I just feel like such a dunce, like, how did I not know this? How did I not know this, but I like that feeling. I like that, you know, that being humbled a little bit in terms of what we know and what we think we know. So I thank you for that as part of this whole process. Hell yeah. And yeah, we'll, we're going to do this on your show and on my show again. And because I still want to interview you. Oh, yeah, yeah, we'll get to that. But, but this has been great. Freeman fly everybody. You know, it's, it's just Freeman dot TV. Freeman TV dot com, Freeman TV dot com. But you're really saying we need to check out the YouTube channel. And what's the best way to search for the YouTube channel. Freeman fly. So just Freeman fly two words. Yeah, yeah, because somebody stole my title. So somebody has another YouTube channel called Freeman TV. Okay, uploads all of my videos. Okay, I don't mind. I like having a mirrored, you know, I have no problem with I don't know who it is. I have no idea who it is. But somebody has mirrored my, my YouTube channel and made their own and taken my title, Freeman TV. So you might end up finding that one first. But if you search Freeman fly then my YouTube comes up first. So your YouTube and that has the playlist that connect to some of these early access cable. Shit crap craziness man that's like, you're going back in time in such a same way that I was like, you know, what, did you do this on VHS and I'm like, well, actually, yeah, there wasn't this was back then you guys, you know, yes, it was VHS the VHS that is a rumor that isn't a conspiracy it really existed. These tapes. Yeah. Yeah, because I mean it's old it's crazy. I like I literally had to drive around and take pictures of corporate logos. Right, like that's how old this is like there was no Google pictures you couldn't go just drag and drop. Like, you know, I had to drive around and take photographs of all the corporate logos I wanted to talk about. It took me forever to find a Texaco in Texas. It was like, I couldn't believe it. They didn't seem to exist anymore. Shell is the classic one, but you know I'm going to go see like that's another area where I kind of knew that stuff like a long time ago, but I just, there's so much it just kind of, you know, just kind of glossed over just kind of lost it. And like you just said a while back and then I really am going to wrap this up, but it's like, this is what I love about your work and as soon as I got into it, I noticed this. And it's just so powerful is you have this little way a tweak in something that kind of gives it a whole new meaning. So when you said sign of allegiance. Bam. It all now clicks into place because it didn't make sense as a kind of ritualized magic, you know, you're under a spell kind of thing. Sign of allegiance. It's a sign, man. We're going to put it everywhere. We're going to get that logo. We're going to let you know. I told you years ago Starbucks was going to be popular. Well, I knew the thing about Starbucks, but I didn't know it at sea. Exactly. I knew the thing about Starbucks when it first came out, but I didn't understand it as a, that's a key phrase, man. Sign of allegiance is like, is I don't know. Yeah, maybe I'm making too big of a deal. No, no, that's the key ingredient. That's the key ingredient. And that's what really frustrates me. So I'm very happy that you're picking up on that because as soon as it became this poofy magic stuff. I was like, Oh, you guys lost the point. You know, right. Right. Okay, everybody. First of, I hope many of these Freeman fly has been been our guest told you how to get to his stuff. Please do check it out. You know, and then we're going to do this again. So for him and bro. Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you for my introduction and then we will wrap this one up and and I'll put this out on my on my feed.