 People have to work to make the trade for the larger nations and the bigger nations, because more of the African countries are not into manufacturing, they are into importation. So when things are actually imported into the country, these unscrupulous business people are doing market and counterfeit products. So African countries are having to make the end of the market because of fake products. So the problem is actually big, it's not small. This conference actually to me is an advantage because one it has brought in a lot of right holders, who are step holders, I've been able to meet them and I'm able to identify or look back home and see the products which are there. For example, I've met HP, there are a lot of HP cartridges there and in fact Interpol made it possible that they should even bring somebody from Austria who is working for Red Bull because we had suspect Red Bull teams there in Zambia. So I'm here to actually meet these stakeholders. It has been very, very advantageous to me because not only to meet stakeholders but also the knowledge that I'm getting from other countries. The best practices is actually massive knowledge. Human capital is the most important thing when it comes to technical branches of law like intellectual property. Partnership with Interpol has been very, very cordial. Interpol has provided, in fact has been a remedy or it has brought a lot of answers. One, it supports us in terms of joint operations especially on pharmaceutical products we had operation Zambia in 2009, we had just finished operation Giboa and many more other operations especially in terms of actually training also. In terms of training, the online training college which is free of charge law enforcement officers it has been re-advertised here and I'm very glad to see about 16 graduates who have come here as witnesses. So when I go back home, it's up to me now to go and encourage the officers, the police officers in Zambia to make sure that they should start this online course. So basically especially in terms of identifying the right holders, I may be in Zambia because I've got contacts at Interpol in France where I get stuck, I contact the staff at Interpol then they are able to link me to the right holders. For example now, a lot of counterfeit products in Zambia are Nike products and Louis Vuitton products. So since I'm here, I've already contacted Interpol officers and they are saying they are going to make sure that the right holders are sent to Zambia so that they can come and formally complain and then we move ahead with our normal police formalities of arresting.