 So good morning, everyone. My name is Angela Mills. I work for the town of Amherst and we welcome you to this meeting of the Jones library building committee, the subcommittee on design. And it is 1001 and I'm turning this meeting over to the chair of this design subcommittee, Christine Gray Mullen. And this meeting is being recorded and will be uploaded to the town's YouTube channel at a later date. Thank you. Welcome all. Again today, June 16 10am design subcommittee for the Jones library building committee. I'll do a little roll call just to make sure that everybody is here and we can hear each other. Sharon shari here. And George here. And we don't have Austin, he will be showing up soon. Hopefully in the next few minutes. We also have Craig, Craig to Carlo from Collier's our OPM. We will start so. Oh, that's good. Excellent. And Angela, I don't believe we have June 3 minutes. I don't think so. I've seen a last meeting on the 16th we approved the May 27. No pressure. I just, I haven't seen them so we're not going to do them today. Okay, that's the next meeting we've been having meetings almost like every week. I'm not sure there's a backlog. So I'm going to skip that and I'm going to go to item three with our OPM, and we're going to go over the comments so this is sort of round two of public comments, it's an ongoing process of collecting them and as our outreach committee we tell you there's hundreds and hundreds but we've got this first chunk. We did the first group last month, and we forward them to the designers, and this is a second group of important, but they're less pressing right now in schematic design comments, meaning that the decisions for a lot of these comments will be made right away in the next few months. So we have those and there's a spreadsheet, and Sharon, Shari has to leave the meeting today at 1015 so she's only with us for another 10 minutes. So we're going to have Craig drive and show his screen with the spreadsheet Craig if you want to bring that up and roll it down to there's like four highlighted ones. Can I stop you. I'm so sorry guys before Craig, Craig, can you stop sharing for a minute. I'm so sorry. Hi, so I just, I want to talk a little bit. I want to give some backstory on the Civil War tablets and so before I leave. I'm going to go through the spreadsheet, I just want to take a minute to update everyone on the town Civil War tablets. Can I just announce to Angela then then we're just because of you are leaving we're going to jump later in the agenda to item for topics on anticipated in 48 hours and so you have the floor under that and then we'll go back to three. And this will make sense it does have to do with the spreadsheet and it'll make sense in a minute. So I want to give you some background, then this is from my point of view my experience on this project and with the tablet so way back in 2014. Town Manager Musanti asked the trustees if the Civil War tablets could be hung in the existing Jones library. And after a lot of research and thought discussions, it was decided that having the tablets hung in the Jones before the expansion renovation project didn't make sense, because the only option was in the Woodbury room, but because so many groups use that room for meetings and events. It didn't, it didn't look like it could work because that space is too small once you put the tablets in they have a, you know once you hang them on the walls they have quite the profile. So the spaces was just too small for that so everyone agreed the town library trustees that once the library was expanded, a really nice space could be set aside on the walls outside of the expanded Special Collections Department. So that way everyone coming to the library will be able to see them interpretive and interactive materials would be purchased and displayed alongside the tablets, professional library staff would be overseeing them and answering questions. The tablets would be safe from the weather, and they would be available during all the open hours of the library, and it would be the most cost effective way to preserve and display these important town artifacts. So fast forward to today. We, during this racial reckoning and a pandemic times of thoughts and ideas have changed. The town is now funding a Crest Program and DEI department. And the town now has a working group which didn't exist in 2014 a working group for the tablets overseas the tablets and overseas the future of the tablets. The tablets are now being professionally curated by a family member to ever bridges. So so many things have changed since 2014. The working group is now asking the town for a dedicated room, not just a Galleria. So unfortunately for the tablets and us the schematics are almost complete. The architects are moving at a very fast rate in order to meet all of our deadlines and decisions have to be made quickly. The library footage is set the budget is set, and the only way a room can be created for these tablets in the library is by taking away space from another library program element. And so how is any of this relevant to today to today's discussion. Under our approved process, the change from a Galleria to a room should have been added to this spreadsheet, and then voted on by this design committee, and then sent to the JLBC for vote and then to the architects. But this process would have taken weeks, and it's weeks we don't have the architects and the tablets working group they need an answer as soon as possible. So we asked the architects outside of our normal process to carve out a room for the tablets. In doing so, they had to take square footage away from the special collections storage space, and they were able to make the special collections exhibit space larger. So this compromise is not ideal. It will limit the amount of materials that the special collections department will be able to collect and conserve in the future. But more conversations will occur within the JLBC meeting to talk about this compromise and decide if it's the best solution. And why is any of this important. So as many of you know our special collections department department is really, it's quite white, the fight arts collection is white. This doesn't adequately represent the town of Amherst. And one of the many reasons for expanding the size of our special collections department is to be able to have room to diversify our collection. But by making the storage space smaller it's going to limit what we can collect in the future. So I wanted you all to have this background of the tablets again this is my point of view. It's such an important topic and I'm really, I want to do right by this community so that is why I went outside of the process and I apologize to my, my fellow design committee. To all of you. It was, it was a decision that I made kind of on the spot feeling pressure and concern from so many different, so many different constituencies. So that's how we ended up where we are today and the architects will be showing us their, their new designs on the 24th. So we'll be able to see it and make changes and you know talk about it and certainly moving into design development, more changes can happen there. So it's not a final it was just a faster step forward so that the community, the, the, the tablets working group could see what the possibility is. So thank you Christine for giving me this moment. I have five minutes to go over comments 141 and 176. Thank you. And thank you for that update. You know what's going on and you're right we're really getting tight on time here so we'll, we'll get to see those new designs on the 24th at the full. No at this, at our next meeting here. So, okay, great. Craig, if you can share that spreadsheet. And if Sharon, you've got five minutes here so if you roll down Craig to where the comment numbers highlighted, that's where we'll start. Sharon, if you could just describe where those highlighted ones came from where they got added in or moved and then if you could just we're going to jump to comments 141 and 176. So take it away. So today we're just going through as Christine just said the lines to through 138. And so if you look under review date. That's the very first column column a I'm sorry. Yeah so everything highlighted in the orange is what we're going to be talking about today. There are comments up at the top that aren't highlighted. And it's because those are things what that are already in the, I'm led. Oh they have to do with programming as opposed to the designer I see and a designer that means not applicable to the designer. So that's why they're white so we're going to be going through lines 47 through 148 today. And specifically before I leave. So what you guys are going to do is, again, column D. Those are comments that we agree with but we don't need to send it to FAA because they're already in the works column E. Those are are the comments that we agree with and you all that I agree with and you all can agree with me. But those are the things that will want to send over to the building committee to also vote to send to FAA. The items in F. Those were the items that I was kind of unclear about or I said maybe that I thought this committee should talk about and decide whether or not they wanted in the orange green or the red column. And then there's the items in the red column there are very few of those those were the items that I didn't agree with that that should move forward. I didn't ask me to specifically look at comment number 141. Can you show me that number. Just, why are those four highlighted Sharon. Oh, they are different from the ones you saw in your packets, they were added after the fact. Okay, so we can go back to those but thank you for telling us. Yeah, that way. Wait, you've gone to one 41. Yeah, yeah, I know comments. Oh, I was glad that Christine asked me this so I put agree, but really not knowing why I should put it agree. This is really a question for Craig, the north. So that would be the, the windows facing the CVS slot and the West would be facing the strong house windows smaller and triple glazed. I definitely I computed the triple glazed I hope that we can end up affording that. But I don't know about the smaller what I don't know what smaller means. So I guess that's for you guys to talk about. So it's a yes for the triple glaze, but kind of an unsure for the smaller windows. Yeah. I'm in favor of all that natural light. But I'm, you know, I'm not an architect I'm not a sustainability professional. So what, what is the happy medium. Okay, thank you for Claire and we'll discuss it after gone I know you've got like one minute left. Thank you. So comment 176 comment 176 you can see there. Okay, open during all hours of library operations so it's not it's that's one of the things that's really not applicable to the designers. We need more staffing for that to happen and, and we're, we're in process. And that's why I put agree. Yes, that's exactly what I want. I'm, I'm, I'm not sure when it will be able to happen, but it's not relevant to the FAA discussion. Okay, great, right, because it's more of a staff. I mean, because truthfully if you had endless staff you'd have the library open is a whole open more and more and it's a balance. Okay, just want to clarify. Great. So the rest I think, hopefully we'll know what you mean it seems pretty clear. And I want to mention we have Austin with us welcome Austin, you're there, I see you're muted but so let the minutes reflect. Great thanks that Austin is here and Sharon will be leaving us. Thank you everybody take care. Okay, thanks. Bye bye. Okay, hi Austin, and so it's Austin and George and I and Craig, he is sharing his screen. If we could roll back up to those highlighted ones and we can start there. So we'll do this kind of the same way as we did before except Sharon didn't more explaining I probably won't I'll read the comment and say whether it's a agree maybe or disagree, and then please Austin or George or Craig speak up if you disagree. And I'll try to watch hands but also, you know, raise your hand I mean speak up like so you guys if you want you can go off off mute or whatever. So, we'll start with comment it's row 47 of the spreadsheet. This one, Austin you may not know this we have these six highlighted ones are new to what came in on our packet or what we've given Sharon added these. So we're going to go over those and then it goes back to what we received. So, these six don't match, if you're looking at your own personal spreadsheet, if you make comments on it. So, row 47 comment 326 is highlight existing 1928 walls in a darker gray on the schematics and that makes sense. I don't know if it has to be gray but just to make it more visible. So I agree with Sharon. I don't see any hands or anything. 327 show round table in the team collaborative space. Are they currently round right now Craig. I do not recall off the top my head. I don't either. I could open up the latest set but I don't know that I move if we know you don't have my question was more I just remember on our library tours. It was children's rooms but they were talking about how none of them are into round tables because of the difficulty of, like, moving them together and a butting them and that kind of thing. So that's why I was surprised at this. Like, so I didn't know if I wanted to agree, like, do we even want round tables but you know more about this than I would. So, in particular, you're referring to the Wuburn public library in their, their children area they had sort of crescent shaped tables they were almost circular, and one of the similar feedback we got from the librarians and staff was that, you know, they were not super flexible that either rectangular or triangular shaped tables, allow for more configurations around was kind of limited in how many configurations were possible. So that was my only thing I didn't want to commit to round tables on this comment. I don't know if we should. And I, again, we don't remember what's on the design, but. I think you should, you should highlight this or move it into a question put a question around it. This is really a case where the library staff is going to really play a critical role they'll be able to tell us pretty clearly whether or not they think round table is going to are going to are going to work and this is not a design issue that needs to be resolved at this point. That is a good point. And that reminded me that a lot of the comments in here have to do with the, the outdoor land space behind the library next to the library. As we go through these, Craig, if you could make like two right now, two lists, one of like internal decisions that we made later like this one's furniture so it's much later. And then there's a bunch of questions that all have to do with what will be contemplated later on landscaping and finishing the area around the library. Is that all right Craig. You're saying sort of within within this. Yeah, like make a separate list like that we will so we'll remember down the road, like, because some of these questions. We're not dealing with the outside landscaping like is there like a bot, you know, or a fountain or outdoor, you know what to do with the outdoor space but we should gather those questions. And you could do it in this spreadsheet if we mark them and you can sort them anyways to me that we're visiting these comments now but they won't really be considered again till far later down the road in the case of outdoor it could be years. And then even the furniture that's down the road. I don't want these comments to be lost, especially the ones that all have are similar, but your thing can be easily done right Craig you can. Yes, yeah, that's in terms of furnishings in terms of exterior things. You don't need to do it right now. No, but maybe maybe in the future we could do that but may I just make a procedural suggestion. If we're going to get comments we've got to be moving through these comments. We're going to move through them fast this is just about sort of setting up how we're going to handle them and then we can rattle through because we can save and just put it on the outdoor list or whatever. So, okay, and that one. Sorry to speak to that. Alex has taken a crack at or between Alex and I we've taken a crack at categorizing each of them. So, yep, you know, so like this botchy court is a design of grounds. That's true. So, good point. There are sort on those. There are some things that are, you know, the bigger ideas the bigger concepts would be good to give the design team direction on earlier in the process. But then there are smaller. So this round table is a perfect example that is certainly something that can be decided later. So we kind of put that off the side, maybe sort of table it table the round tables, but table that discussion for when we're meeting when the design team's meeting with the library staff talking about furniture, they can pull out this subset and say okay, these are the things we've got from the public, you know, library staff, you know, what are your thoughts, what are your reactions, and you know kind of incorporate that those public comments into that discussion. Excellent. And as you point out maybe it that it's column K is the one that needs to be filled out for these new add-ons that Sharon put in. So, and you, you're familiar with them so I see design of grounds but yeah furnishings they go great. So 328, is there enough wall space on the first floor Galleria display space agreed. I don't see it speak up. You don't 329 remove the word quote cafe in the first floor gathering space agreed. The cafe does make it if the public was looking at these not knowing what we're talking about they might think that an actual like coffee shops are going in there, but Craig what architectural word, I mean, we don't, I don't, you know, we should put it needs to be labeled something so that I guess has to go to the designers. Yeah, I think forwarding this comment to them. I think we come up with an appropriate term that does not why food is served here, but right. Rather, food is welcome to be there. Okay, great. Number 330, can we swap the bathrooms with the Burnett art gallery on the garden law agreed. I'm not sure what that meant. Do you know what that means Craig. Yes, my interpretation is the position of the, they're talking about swapping the positions. So the right now the, the group toilets are closer to so that that ground floor main entry, and the Burnett gallery is further. I think they're saying the comment means, can we flip those and move the bathrooms further into the interior and move the Burnett gallery closer to the main entrance. And so that's something that certainly go Alexander can look into to see how feasible it is and what the other applications are. Excellent, thank you. 331. Can you show the exterior walks on the garden and first floor levels. So hopefully they can do that. Now we're back to what our original list to 48 teams after hours exit for after hours programming. Craig, do you have any more insight on that I mean it sounds good but I know those fire doors and alarms and so I believe this is something that has been discussed, the design team working with Sharon has talked about I do not know where it stands. And my recollection, which is imperfect at best is that there were final Alexander was looking into making a way that the teens could exit after hours they would be, you know library staff supervision, but then they wouldn't have to go through the main building rather that portion of building could remain open longer, essentially. And then at the end of the night, they can they can leave directly to the exterior. I think I agree with the agree if possible, and that goes to designers. Okay, I don't see any hands or speak up. So number one pump track, I have, I also do you have any idea what that is. That is, that is a bike that is a bicycle course. It's basically, if you think about BMX bikes, how they have like the raises and the lowers and the stuff like that. So I mean, in my opinion, that's not something that is going to be feasible in the space but that can be tossed down the road to when we start designing the landscaping and exterior. We'll add it to the list that right okay so it's in design. So, okay, there we go. That's fine. Good comment. All right. Number three, watching courts. That's sort of the same exterior for down the road, figuring out what to do outside for preserve the trees agree. Yes, as much as they possibly can. Five, I love the wandering designs with nooks for reading and talking. I think that's already being incorporated agreed. Six areas for little kids to explore and play that agreed. Eight walking elaborate. I think that goes into that same discuss later. Nine keep the kindergarten. Sharon has disagree which I agree I think that ship sort of already sailed. The community garden space, we can do that same table. Yeah, she has unclear disagree. I mean I think that's having commute, you know, the community be able to garden on their own. I don't think that's exactly. I don't think there's much room it's the north side. Anyways, but yeah just put it, I say leave it and disagree and table discussion. I think, speaking kind of higher level. You know the library does have a nice piece of property but it is of limited size, and some of these concepts and ideas are great and would be a lot of fun way to bring people to the library for other activities, but at least some of these are pretty large. Maybe a decision of, okay which one of the we like all of these pumps are awesome about your court would be awesome community garden space same thing, but which one does the is going to get that space which is a premium. And that's a discussion that can be had a little bit down the road down the road. And there's a lot of good ideas in here, and you're right it's down to space so okay. And garden entrance should have clear sight lines and you should feel safe. Agreed. Number 14 pollinator garden is another one for the table for outdoor discussion. 15 prioritize green spaces. I guess that's an outdoor one to 16 bike lock area. Agreed that should already be in there. 17. Yes. Okay, that's the same thing to another choice for the outdoors and number 18 outdoor sculpture garden, same thing. 19 garden and for him. People waited to enter library and to get in from parking lot to entrance agreed. I think they do have somewhat of an overhang but the designer should give a hard look on that 37 sensory friendly spaces agreed. They're not already being addressed by the designers. I believe there was another set of comments from the previous go around where. Yes, we talked about having spaces that would be appropriate for folks with sensory issues or desiring a kind of quieter, calmer environment. I kind of think 19 and 37 they're in the green, but I think they should be in the D, like already addressed it. If anyone disagrees speak up. Number 39 seating areas that provide sense of security and feeling of safety, like for those suffering from PTSD. I agree. 34 active areas unclear agree active areas. Anyone have an idea what that was under design of interior active areas. One of the things that I like to notice is that they're talking you know library typically is quiet, you know, the stereotypes is that you go there quiet, and what modern day libraries do have programs that are more active and involved and collaborative. And so my take on just those two words is that they are this person as a proponent for that latter more modern model. These are the children's activity room. Right, anything where interacting with each other versus just kind of nose in a book. Okay, so I think we can change. I don't know if we should leave the unclear leave the agree. And if anyone wants to put a specific comment in, we can. But so 3093 ESL computers in study rooms. I don't know if I agree. I want to go back to active areas put a question. Yeah, no idea what it references. And I think Craig just did a great job of trying to come up with something but put a question mark. We've got to figure out what it really means before we can agree with it. And I just don't have a clear sense of what it means. And then can we move the whole thing into the maybe column then because I don't want to send this to the whole committee is that we agree on something we don't even know what it means. Alright, thanks. Thanks Austin. So ESL, if that was all right, 101 chairs near windows agreed one or two airy inspiring space. Agreed 109 water bottle filling stations agreed Craig that's not already in there. But the design team has gotten to that level of granularity. Okay, picking specific water fountain models that have water filled but but they are quite common and having this here will just be a reminder. Okay. And same with the next one 110 charging stations, I would think that that's part of the new. Charging stations I guess we interpreted that this was on the interior that people would have places that they could charge their personal devices electronic. But now that I'm seeing it again I'm wondering if maybe they're talking about electric vehicles. Oh Lord. But if the comment is about interior is something that is desirable and can be incorporated. I assumed it was the internal since it said furnishings, but that is that was yeah that was our between Alex and I that was our stab at you know what category this one falls into. For that one change it to the I would put it back in the maybe for discussion unclear, like a question mark like what Austin said the last just like a question mark and say, you know, in indoors or outdoor interior exterior. I do want to make a note that because we are pursuing an electric vehicle to replace the van that I had made mentioned that we will need a charging station outside of the maintenance shed area. So I don't know if this is the place to make a note of that but but that's definitely in the plan for the future. Alright, so let's leave it in there for unclear me for the discussion if you can just have that in there to Craig and then work good. Okay, so then 114 playground outdoor story time connected to children's room agreed, I think that's being worked on 116 local hero wall, maybe. I think that goes to that table for later discussion, exterior designer ground. Oh, and here it's tagged under interior but that could be interior or exterior, couldn't it be one of the libraries that you visited has a local heroes wall on the inside. That was the but it could be on the outside too. Maybe we should say maybe in further discussion inside or outside. Thank you. 117 indoor plantings library director said disagree I am assuming because it's maintenance George do you have any idea on this one. Yeah, I tend to agree with that. Okay, it's not that we don't like plants that's that they're hard to take care of. And we also you know it's also certain people have allergies to certain plants and things like that. It's also a liability thing. You also don't want you know children potentially eating plants and stuff like that. That's why there aren't as many in malls anymore. Wow. Kids will eat anything. Teen more welcoming space agreed that's 120 expand reference section and as a comment the collection size will be reduced, but the area for the for computers and seating will increase. So, I agree with that. Two areas with pillows bags shag carpet and couches for reading. Common is agreed couches only in kids room. 126 improve appearance of building from garden entry view agree. 129 free lockers outside for folks who need them, maybe for hold pickups. Yeah, I agree with that. So, I guess we can leave that for the, that later discussion outdoor exterior grounds. Okay, 133 ceiling fans. I couldn't help but think about this must be in response to how hot it gets under the atrium currently. It's good, but I don't know. I Craig any feelings on that I mean would be designers be thinking about fans, or are they just not needed now with modern HVAC. So as part of their discussions with their mechanical engineer they'll develop a plan for conditioning the entire building. And the goal is to make it as comfortable as possible and air movement does slow air movement is a comfortable thing because you know you're the heat generated by your body to move away from you and kind of stir us up the space, but I would leave it to the design team with their mechanical engineers to propose a system. And there may be parts of the billion that they do recommend fans ceiling fans, specifically kind of like these large industrial ones, which are pretty cool and actually do work and save energy, but maybe we leave it to them to propose something. Yeah. So, should we move that out of maybe and put it, I don't want to just say we'd like we want them but may just put them under agree per the designer. I think you want to leave it right where it is just leave it where it is. I mean this is a level of detail that neither you nor I are really able to speak to, because I think what Craig says is. It's part of an HVAC system. Let's leave it for maybe and see what the designers say. I like what Craig's done there and just put it, that it's the designer teams decision rather than for us to describe discuss later or something like that. So, yeah, great thanks Austin. 134 solar panels agree 136 natural materials will carpet non toxic adhesive Marlonium agreed 137 drain storm water collection agreed. I think they have to do that but 141 north and west facing windows smaller and triple glaze so this is what Sharon discussed with us earlier. And I don't know when you hear for that discussion. I was and I. Again, I think this is a for me this is a maybe because they need to look at the way the whole system is going to work and triple glazing on those windows may be appropriate because of their location. I take it that reducing the size was also driven by concerns about conservation, but I think we need to need to wait and see about this I my my own view is not. I don't think we want smaller windows but again I would be interested in talking with the designers about this particular suggestion. Thank you I completely agree with you. 143 thanks Craig sell checkout agreed 145 scanner and slides. This is another one of those two parts the scanner. I, of course, I strongly believe they need to be scanner if not multiple scanners, but the end slides. Does anyone have an idea I don't know if they mean about scanning photographic slides or anyone know what that is. My interpret it to be a scanner for digitizing paper documents as well as a slide scanner, obviously for digitizing slides. Yeah regardless I think it's a programming issue and not a design issue. It is. So it's under furnishing so we'll change it to agreed and yeah, or any design agreed. We just agree and it goes into the harness shanks. I don't agree. I don't agree. I think what George was saying was that this is. This is not for us to be talking about right now this is a programming issue. I might not agree but I don't think we want to be talking to our architects about whether we have scanners and slide for slides. How to be phrased hold on just going to quickly go up to the top here in a not applicable for the designer. Maybe that's where it has to go that we could say we agree but it's not applicable for the designer, because the same thing on the next one 146 3d printer. Of course I would want to see, if not one multiple 3d printers, but that's our designer issue. The one thing I would, the one caveat I put on that is, I think also at the woven library they pointed out they made a point of saying hey look at that piece of casework or cabinetry. It had to be made much bigger. The design team did not that design team did not realize it was a huge piece of equipment that was had something to do with it was in their makerspace had something to do with digital printer or something of that sort. So I guess with the ventilation of it. Right, and they needed a, they had enough room for the, I didn't have enough room for the duck and the equipment. So I guess, again, this is more I think it should be tabled for maybe a technology slash, you know, casework or cabinet discussion with the design team, if there are specific things that the library knows they want like a particular model of technological equipment. So, so perhaps it's a table for a. So maybe this is a third like list that we're talking about that will be because you said they're not that granular yet where they're probably like designing the size of the countertops. But when they get to that point, we're back to the scanner. So, you know, that it there needs to be a, you know, really large scanner. And the 3D and other tech quit. All right. So, Craig figure that out make for further discussion for the technology needs for furnishings. All right, great. Thanks. And then 152 greenest buildings are those already built disagree, which I agree with. 154 be thoughtful about integrating appearances of library and parking. Six repurpose would work if possible, if not being used in renovated design agreed as design allows historic priorities stone exterior. One greed as design allows 173 historic priorities oak trees agreed as design allows 176 special collections open during all hours of library operation. I mean, ideally this is more of a staff issue yeah library operations I think so that's more about how much staff. The director has when the library is actually open. You just want to change that it's not for us. Yeah. Yeah, change it to yeah it's say yeah. Maybe put under maybe, and, you know, per staff allowance. It's not for, I'm sorry, it's not for us. This is not a building committee issue. This is a library director thing. It's, it's, it's not for us. So, up the top how did, how did we do it up the top Craig where we identify it is not somewhere we have in that first column we put in a designer, whatever. Right. If you go way up the top right. If you cut and paste from they go right there. That was us in the first column review with library staff. This here are not applicable to designer. Yeah, see all of those those are the ones that she they're not does. So, oops, okay. Where it is. Okay, great. So 177 library should be cultural center of town agreed. 186 teens vending machine agreed. 187 teen string lights LED lights agreed. 189 teen snacks agreed part of as part of programming. 196 teens 3d printer. 197 teens fish tank disagree. So the 3d printer was, however, we addressed it before with the, yeah, the technology discussion for later. And the fish tank is a no, and the mini fridge that's one nine nine teen mini fridge was a disagree. I'm fine with that anyone else speak up if you disagree 200 teens VR headsets agreed. 205 teens booth style seating agreed. 206 teens tall cafe style seating agreed. 207 teens hammock this is a maybe something that would give the same effect but say, so I guess that's a later discussion. That would also need a lot of space like the technology need. I assume with the hammock you need quite a bit of space. 209 teens TV, which I hope they don't mean TV I hope they mean screens. But agreed to 13 outdoor gathering spaces behind the library or on the on the mute on the museum outdoor gathering spaces behind the library on the museum side agreed to 14 teen teen art displayed on walls change monthly agreed to 17. The fountain for the garden lemonade in the summer and hot chocolate in the winter. Maybe I think she just means for the fountain in the garden. But that will be discussed. That's part of that outdoor space discussion to 18 don't go nuts, even an extra 10 by 10 of landscaping equals a lot of money even quote natural materials have carbon costs. Processing finishing and transporting stones used in landscaping agreed. That's designer grounds I agree but I think that can you stick that common in the maybe the maybe for future landscape discussion because that's where it would all be discussed and not. Now to two to two children's two tables and some chairs and some bookshelves of toys for kids agreed already being addressed to two three children's choir band agreed as part of programming to two five a few chairs under trees and with flowers and a new bench agreed. Oh, that's another one for the discussion. Yeah. Two 30 teen desks for working. Yes, they still have homework to do agreed to three to parking on same side of street with well marked entrance from lot in parentheses CVS question mark, possibly free parking. When does parking get discussed, because I know that's an outdoor exterior space, but like the gardening and landscaping is later when would discussions with parking have to happen. I would say. So right now the design team is obviously focusing on the building. Everybody made some assumptions, I presume in their schematic design set it's going to have to get a good cost estimate they've already got some assumptions baked in there about how much is hardscape how much is softscape, you know, sort of this general scope. So if there is. So to the extent that we can give some direction on what is desired, or, you know that the site that is, you know now would be a good time to do that. So that's going to have to do with something like major infrastructure like this, a bench here or tree there, not as impactful to the cost estimate. But if they're if we say, a large portion of the property wants to be at the back of the site. That would be something that they should know now. Okay, so there's a few parking ones here but this one. This one is marked this doesn't have to be dealt with to later and free parking would be more what the library in the town decides to do later so this isn't something that needs to go to the designer I assume at this point but the next one parking number 233 parking more accessible to me that should go to the designer. And now you guys correct correct me on wrong so you've got that strip of asphalt that goes from the amity street down to there's like a garage and back. Are there any parking spot I think maybe a couple parking spots on that. Yeah, but they are staff only parking spaces with the exception of two handicapped spots. And then you've got parking on is there parking on the street is it like a with a curb jogs in or was that pickup drop off. It's no it's it's town public parking. Okay, all right. So perhaps this comment is asking for, you know, we've got the two handicapped spots, perhaps they are in indicating that they would like more of that. We don't know what they're indicating and the issue of parking is not just for us. So we have to look at our parking in relationship to the town's lots one right across the street from us. And the CVS lot as I read this it wasn't about handicapped spaces it was about making park more parking. But again, I don't know what it particularly what it particularly means. And as part of the design activity we're going to have to make sure that we have adequate parking and people coming to look to the library. That's part of what mlc is going to be looking for. True. So Craig, if I, along with like the technology discussion they'll probably down the road have to be a specific parking discussion. That's where more players are at the table to talk about all the different types of parking that could be or are available. Okay, that's a two parking ones to 42 seniors reading to grandkids agreed as part of programming to 40. Very heavy handed needs lighter materials. Sharon put agreed here. That's okay we can leave I mean, is that the message we're sending to the designer. We are discussing exterior exterior materials right now. Okay 249 parent and child. Yeah, I don't understand what is being referenced with very heavy handed. I don't know why Sharon agreed to it. I don't know what it means. So, yeah, I don't either. I'm glad you spoke up. So, I think that's what the larger our committee will be discussing as we just talk about how the building is clad and covered. Thanks Craig computer workstations along and then close safe place space for babies and toddlers agreed. 251 children's. Children's return it's return experiments box outside of library as part of programming. Oh that must be to return like toys and not bigger than books. 254 teens game space agreed 255 teens no tech space and library elsewhere in town and she and disagreed unclear I'm also unclear and I think I disagree. Does everyone else agree with the disagree. Okay, 256 waterfall or fountain. That's designer grounds maybe we just put that one Craig also in the for further discussion. Okay, to 57 cafe note cafe food can be challenges for folks with severe allergies library will be not providing food under deep. Not totally earlier we did have one like about teen snacks and it said it would be part of library programming agreed as part of programming. So library does serve provide food but they won't be selling food. I mean I think we just agree with it like we agree that thought needs to, I mean it's a programming thing needs to be people with allergies need to be considered when they're providing food meaning. comment references specifically the cafe, we are not providing food in a cafe. You don't have to fool with it. You don't have to do anything with it, where it references the cafe. We're not happy don't not supplying food in a quite earlier we said to remove the word cafe. So, like we're going around Robin here. Christine, the answer to this one is no. We are not providing food in cafes so we don't have to debate the kind of food we're providing. Yeah, I agree I just wanted to remind everyone that we just had asked to remove the word cafe from the design plan so I just, we don't have a cafe where the architects are going to come up with a word with what like a serving area or whatever. Okay. 59 room about World War One and World War Two as part of collection. Is that special collection or just like all collections group. I, is that part of special collection, I think that's what that's supposed to say. We are not intending to provide a particular room dedicated to World War One and World War Two. I agree. And Sharon put as part of collection, but I think she means no dedicated room part of special collections. What she means is that there will be material about World War One and World War Two throughout the library, some in the book collection, some in special collections. So, I don't think we need to dwell a lot on this one. But I just, okay. 261 resident writers program with quiet workspace offices who don't have full time faculty appointments. I will agree to incorporate it there will be quiet study rooms to 63 children, children's please add a door to the children's room my toddler is constantly running away, taking trouble agreed, and being incorporated to 65 children's foods ball table, maybe. And it goes along with the next one 266 children's game console, which is a maybe 268 I'm concerned that the redesign will overwhelm the original building in the exterior view. And Sharon put under the agreed category there are design requirements. What are we trying to tell the our designers. Well, the reality is that the addition can't be taller than the original building as per historic preservation requirements and that's how the designers built the addition. So as an agreed, we send that to the designers and they know what it means. Thanks, George. 269 children's space for children's plays and readings near the entrance not hard to find. And she put it's being agreed incorporated in the children's activities room, which is not near the entrance really but it will be easy to find. 27270 warm homie feel of original library is my favorite thing. The 1990s edition, both design and function is least favored, and Sharon has agreed, and I agree. I mean I just agree with the comment that the design that that the design and function of the. Oh yes yes I'm sorry, ignore what I said I thought they were talking about the expansion. And I think we're just sending that. I mean, the designers are trying to balance warm homie with, you know, modern function and design. So I think the designers know what to do with that. 272 access to rare entrance not easy from amity street, especially at night in winter weather agreed. Again, going to the designers, I mean. I mean I think that's already in the works I'd be putting it in column D. I agree. And that would include like lighting requirements and better walkways. 23 over next 50 years we will, I think it's need to bring large items in, but not block access and services storage at ground level, small through narrow hall please consider. I think a lot of the hallways will be wider now than what is currently there. So there'll be an improvement. I, I think the designers are already sort of incorporating this. I agree, George. I agree. 27 plants inside the poem library, George gave us some details for why it would be a disagree to 78 permaculture and see essay tours and agree it's part of programming to 80 forest garden outside three plus levels for demonstrations can do with you mass. Maybe. I mean, forest garden. That's perfect thanks Greg that's for the later landscape discussion to 84 piano agree need a new piano. So I guess for the designers we just want them to have an area where to put a piano whether to be played or to be stored you any thoughts on that George. I think the design for the new large meeting or space has adequate storage for the piano like we currently do. You know as far as replacing the piano that kind of gets into a programming discussion because some people love having a having a large piano other people think we can just make do with a keyboard so that's something that needs to be dealt with and design as long as we have the adequate space. I like how Craig put it there needs storage space because that's what the designers need to keep in mind. Okay, great, thank you. And our last one to 89 should not look like a hospital. I think we all agree to that. Okay, so, Craig, you'll prepare this and send this. Oh, to. We'll go to the next. When is it next Tuesday 21. 21st is the next library building meeting. So can you bring this to that on. So Austin George do you want to vote on this and say this is what we like or do we just want a recommendation will send it forward to the. I would just recommend Christine if it's okay with you will speak to this you'll say this is what the design subcommittee recommends to the building committee and we will. Building committee will look at it and decide whether or not it agrees. And I agree with Austin. Okay, great. So this is what we've got right now. And we'll send this forward, Craig if you can bring it on next Tuesday. And then we'll have a meeting Tuesday at 430. And actually, I think it's, it's, I'll double check to make sure that it's tidy and consistent, but then perhaps I, with your permission, I'll send it to Angela, or I can just distribute it to the library building committee in advance so that everyone sort of has it and then I'll bring the file to them. That would be great. I think it. I'm sorry, Christine go ahead. No, go ahead. Go ahead, Austin. In general, I don't know, Angie what your preferences, if you can get things to Angie so that you can put them in the arm thing that would be great. In the packet. Did we already get the packet or can that be resented out Angie. I'm happy to recent it I sent it right before this meeting but I'm happy to resend with the addition. All right, so Craig will get that to you. And I think it is helpful for everyone to take a look at them. So Craig when you. I don't know if we need to explain to people like very briefly but what they need to just focus this spreadsheets really big we want to just tell them like what lines or whatever to focus on. Nice. The designer is that. So just tell them like the first 46 or probably be 47 after your resort because I know we have another one in there but and then the ones that they need to look at great. Okay, so I think we're. So, so, Craig, I noticed somewhere it was written that we were going to do another round of comments at the next meeting on the 24th, but we've are we've got a lot on the 24th and I don't think the next round of comments are time sensitive. What are your thoughts on that. On one hand, I agree there is a lot going on the 24th. But on the other, I think it would be nice to be able to say hey, we've gotten through, you know that come still keep coming in through kind of the backlog. And at least review them and decide and taking some decision made some decision on them. That that's my thought is that yeah I could see it going other way. So, if that's what you want to do, are they in, are you going to pull out the next group and send that to us to look to discuss from on the 24th next Friday. What I would recommend, let's see. So in my free ones that were not critical. That's these brown shaded items. But as Alex mentioned in the most recent I'll reach subcommittee is comments continue to come in. And so if we get through, say the backlog, you know the rest of this list, then each design subcommittee meeting maybe there is, you know the first 15 minutes we talk about whatever comments have come in, regardless of priority just, you know. We've gotten through approximately I assume there's hundreds of them, especially with all these outreach events they're doing. Correct. And I think there were. There's over 1000 that Alex has collected. Yes. So, again, I think what we ought to do Christine is we ought to just do what Craig is suggested which is trying to get through the backlog on the 24th allocate some time in every design committee meeting. However many they come in, we don't we don't need to speculate about that just will allocate some time in design committee meetings to review the comments, and then we can forward them on to the building committee and the building to make it forward to the to the to the architects as necessary. I also think it would be really good Craig. As you've done to direct our attention, not just to the backlog but first to the things that we really need to address, and then go through the rest of them as time allows. If that makes sense in concept. Perhaps if you know if there are only 25 new comments in one meeting period, then I don't know that prioritizing them is important. I would say we just go through all of them, but yeah if we get a large batch over 100 let's say, then yes I'd be willing to prioritize and say hey these are the 5075 that we should focus on. So it's not to bog down design subcommittee meetings so I like I like the concept and then we'll we'll sort of roll with the punches as as they come. How many brown ones are there. It's 145 to 210. That's not too bad so we'll we'll put those brown ones in for the next meeting on the 24th. I just want to bring up it. When Alex, I wasn't it didn't see the last outreach meeting but it our last building committee meeting I mean she mentioned like over 1000. So if we have how many on this list. There are over 1000 but I believe let me see I'm looking at my notes there are 600 467 as of Tuesday, they're 467 unique comments. And so that thousand includes people kind of, I think it's called a bump or a like yeah, okay, this is, I support this comment. So, how many do we have total here. So on this sheet, we've got somewhere around 300. There might be another hundred and 2550 or something. I just want to make sure if you can look at those and see if any of them are like schematic design sensitive, because maybe we need to stick those in on the 24th if we want to make sure that the designer gets them for consideration before the end of schematic design and all those furnishings and outdoor, we can do like figure out how to do it at the next couple of design meetings. Sure, we'll do it does that sound okay. Great. So we'll watch for emails from you for our next homework to do. I'm going to move to item for topics, not anticipate in 48, which we had Sharon at the beginning talk a little bit give us an update on the tablet situation and the schematic design. I have no other things Craig do you have anything else that popped up. Awesome got his hand up. Oh, I don't take down yours. Please take down your. So one of the things that I just wanted to raise is a just a brief reflection on the tour. Again, thank you for Craig for the film. I wonder whether or not it can be it is possible. I noticed in the Holyoke library, or rather stark divide between the old section and the new section in terms of what I would call architectural details. And I just want to put on the table for discussion whether or not it is possible to work with architects to bring some kind of architectural detailing that references the historic building into the new addition, other than showing the exterior wall. So I just wanted to put it put that on the table for further discussion at some point. In the Wooburn library, there is definitely a sharp transition from old to new I mean it's beautifully done. But. So, on the 24th when they come next, when F find gold comes next week cannot be can you put that on their list Craig to just talk about how they see the transition it a couple at the different spaces. Absolutely. I will say in person the showing the original exterior of the Wooburn library from the new space was actually pretty stunning. Seeing it in person, you could immediately visualize what it will look like in the teen area where it's show, you know, outside the teen area in the staircase where it's going to show the original building, you could really envision it seeing how they did it there. Yeah, I think I that's helpful. We saw that in the Holyoke library as well. And I'm trying to just say one other thing in addition to the wall. Great. That's fabulous. Is there some way that some of the architectural detailing in the, in the rooms can reference some of what's in the old old building. In addition to the exterior wall which I think is great. I will share that comment with the design team. And I just, again, want to thank Craig for setting up all those tours and coordinating it went flawlessly and it tremendously helpful and eye opening to look at other libraries in both how it was designed and listening to the librarians talk about function. So thanks, Greg. You're welcome. And, and I'll move on to item five, which is the time where we open it to public comment. I see two attendees. All right, so those two attendees. If either of you would like to speak at this time, we will bring you into the meeting and ask your question or give your comment. So I'm not seeing hands, but you'd have to raise your hand. Back in the next meeting next Friday at nine. And there's also a building committee meeting on Tuesday, next Tuesday at 430. All right. All right, I see no comments today. So I think we're done for the day. Good job. Thank you everyone. And thank you for everyone out there who is taking part in the comments and questions and feedback that we're asking the community to give us as we try to move forward and designing and building this new library. So that's it. Thank you all. Meeting adjourned. Thank you. Bye bye. Thanks, Angela.