 And for ladies and gentlemen, we are back. We are excited. This is gonna be great as we Wrap up the q&a and then let our speakers go for the night to rest. We appreciate their patience We appreciate your patience folks. It was embarrassing enough the stream started out lagging and then That's it. I'm done with stream labs. It's basically we we used obs and we were like, hey, let's try stream labs Like long ago and then stream labs failed us. So we went to obs but then like three months ago I was like, you know what? Let's try stream labs again, but no never again. So Thanks for your patience. Let's jump into those questions folks very excited And then I actually do have a fun question because I hated you you guys we just It had to be while we were off air. We just had destiny and k disagreeing on something and it's something that I'm like Ooh, here's a juicy question. It's one that I think is probably gonna come up in the future And I can't help but ask just to get a quick response from you both as we've had kind of like a shortened discussion and A q&a, but this is a question that in particular with covet Possibly will there be laws in the future on whether or not a covet vaccine should be mandatory And would that be a good thing or a bad thing in when you're weighing all the factors and you're trying to kind of Balance them all out Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously as we were kind of just talking about like I'm generally pro vaccine As for whether or not it's mandatory. I mean that super defense depends on the effectiveness and the severity of SARS-CoV-2 or similar diseases being in the united states More similar viruses being in the united states like if it comes that like every single year We're having another hundred two hundred fifty thousand people dying Seems like a thing that probably like fuck it like if you want to work you should have this vaccine Otherwise you're burning things for everybody So, yeah, I mean it's going to depend on the severity of the illness Yeah, I agree on that. I think that I as a libertarian and as a particularly as a mom I think I see the idea of mandatory vaccinations as something that's it's very scary and can lead to Some very questionable issues I don't want the government having the power to tell me what I have to inject into my children or into myself But I think that whenever it comes to down to I think it has to be Deliberated based on the individual illness. I mean the small packs vaccine was mandatory because people were dying by the hundreds of thousands It's just wiping people out and I think that whenever it comes to COVID-19, I think you're going to see a significant more pushback. What if they try to mandate the vaccine? Um mainly because Of how it was handled by the government and um the issue of you know, the numbers being way bigger than Than they were, you know, the numbers that they were giving us Turned out to be completely overblown and we didn't see the death rates at where they were and I think that they're going to see Significant more pushback Because people aren't super trusting of what the government is saying we do and do not need Personally, I don't think that COVID-19 is serious enough to where we need to be releasing our Fundamental human rights to the government to mandate that everybody get a vaccine. Oh, that's just where I stand on that Gotcha, and other questions we have definitely want to ask these is uh, there's some juicy ones in here. Let's see Appreciate thanks so much. Louis Romero Asked the numbers were in fact underrated So I think they're talking about COVID cases or deaths They said the 1.5 must be cases Well 1.5 to 2 million people was if we decided to do nothing and let Horde immunity dictate the course our leaders have shifted the numbers from 50,000 to 75,000 And now they're saying 135,000 I think it's impossible to say whether you know, what would have happened had we not locked down You know, it's uh, that could be a game that we could you know, we could talk circles around that You know, what might have happened had we not locked down We just have to you know, go with what we have we did lock down and this is what happened and You know, we have to we have to live with that Gotcha And oh, did you want to say something Stephen? Um, yeah, I mean like one of the important things to remember for those projections Is that like these are projections with a lot of variants? Like there was um, like it could have been as low as 50,000 It could have been as high as like two and a half million Like it's really hard to tell based on what's going on like where things are going to be, right? Like the the data as you project out in time like this you get like really really big variants of where things could go so Gotcha and thanks so much for your super chat Stephen steen said consciousness doesn't come till after birth I think this but go ahead Gotcha, Stephen, uh, Stephen steen Destiny disagrees with you and it's too many Well, no, no, I don't just gonna use wrong things are conscious before like passing through a vagina doesn't magically endow you with consciousness Um, like you have a conscious experience before you're born I don't remember if it's at around like 12 weeks or whatever I there there's sometimes some number of months in where it's where it sort of happens But then and then you gain like self-awareness and all of that by the time you're like two Your brain is fully developed by the time you're 25 But to say that like it's like when the vagina is pushing you out It gives you consciousness on your way out the door. It's like it's not how that works at all Andrew Handelsman. Thanks for your super chat who said amazing and then lily ro Thanks for your super chat said the two parties hold too much power over our elections government media and discourse as well They polarize each other to keep us at each other's throats And unfortunately, that's not likely to change because you know too many people they recognize the problem But are unwilling to step out to do anything about it. You know, we see that, you know, the mainstream media is Constantly trying to pit us against each other, but we still consume it You know, we see that the two-party system has too much power But we still continue to vote for the lesser of two evils Because we're not willing to step out and say that we demand we deserve better and we're going to demand better So more people step up and say, you know, we're done with this. We're not going to consume mainstream media and let them go And you know just fade off You know until they say that we're not going to vote for these two candidates because we don't like either one of them You know, we're going to stay home or we're going to vote their party or do something It's that it's just going to be a never-ending cycle Gotcha, and I think we have one or two more. Let's see. We got that. We had a new one come in. Thanks for your super chat Hikikaa, ooo Mori They said can you ask destiny if he believes in deadbeat daddism? Yeah, I mean, yeah, of course Gotcha. I don't know what that is. It's it's from a meme song that somebody made about joseph woodbeard or something Okay, gotcha and thanks for your let's see. I think we maybe had one other one come in So we we do have other questions though standard questions as well. Thanks for yours from brian Let's see ask the seven-day moving average shows that our decrease in cases has stopped We've stabilized at 20,000 a day and it's possible the curve is going back up So kind of going back to that number of cases This is similar to one of the questions we just asked but do you want to add anything you can if it's different enough? I mean the the biggest thing that I'm worried about right now is the we we fucked this up so bad like This is just so bad. It's it's so bad like from a health point of view It's also really bad economically like I was surprised that we stayed locked down as much as we did because I didn't think We would be able to bear this much economic harm Like the biggest worry is that if we reopen and then there's like a big second wave I honestly I don't know what happens at that point like we're going to have to shut everything down again People are going to be ultra antsy to do it a second time. There's going to be another huge fight in congress about much needed stimulus We're already not going to know how much damage is caused by the first shutdown There's a lot of businesses that are closing today that are never coming back again Like if we reopen and we do it in a haphazard manner and everything just goes to shit immediately if the cases start to spike up dramatically again And man, I don't know. It's going to be really really really bad. We have to be very careful how we handle it Gotcha and kade do you want to say anything if you want you you can you don't have to No, I fully agree. I think that you know The I think that the best course of action right now is you know, the states that are reopening are doing so, you know, they're They are taking the necessary precautions to do so But then you have several states like mine I'm one of you know, the the four states that everybody talks about, you know That we have the four worst governors in the entirety of the united states of america This is not about the virus anymore. It's about maintaining control. I mean, I think that there's so many, you know Factors here about whether or not to open or reopen and the fact of the matter is is that whenever it comes down to it Like we probably are going to see At least somewhat of a second wave whenever we open up people have been shut into their homes for three months Their immune systems are declining. They're not coming in contact with germs And they haven't come in contact with this virus So there's no way to tell whether or not their immune system is going to be able to fight it And with a weakened immune system from being locked down and locked away from people and not being outside and not getting the Same amount of interactions that we do every day. Yeah, there's a significant chance that we're going to see A second wave here and then you have to play in the factor of, you know There are going to be a significant amount of people that if we say that we're going to shut down again They're going to say absolutely not we're not doing that again And then you're going to see a level of resistance there And it's it's really hard to tell how that'll play out As far as government intervention goes, you know, do you force people to shut down again? Whenever they're openly resisting that After all of these riots and cities burning. I don't see that going very well With tensions being as high as they are I think that there's a lot of factors that play into this. I think our best course of action is, you know States opening up taking the precautions that need to be taken Let individual businesses do what they're going to do and let people decide whether or not they're going to go into those businesses or not If there if there's a business that's not, you know Forcing you to wear a mask to go in or, you know, maintaining social distancing and you decide that you don't want to go into that business Then don't um, again, I think that the government tries way too hard to parent American citizens Um, you know functioning adults can make their own health decisions about whether or not, you know, they're gonna Stay locked down or if they're going to open their businesses back up Or if they're going to patron businesses that aren't practicing social distancing enforcing you to wear masks Um, you know, let adults do what adults are going to do. Um, and you know, unfortunately Some people have to pay the price for, you know, not Being smart with the decisions that they make but it's their mistake to make Gotcha, man. I think just as a I man, I just I don't trust people with their health. I don't think you can manage it One of the biggest pushbacks that I would give against this unfortunately And it's it's something that is loomed for a while like climate change. We don't really talk about it But um, obesity is actually like destroying so many parts of our society It hurts our ability to work efficiently because of people taking sick days because of life spans being decreased It's a burden on our medical system. Um, it causes disproportionate spending on bad goods and services Um, like it like the way that we treat our health in the western world also It's not an american problem. It's a western world problem I think that obesity is like a key example that like people have very bad Risk reward factories in their brain that aren't churning out like optimal decisions And I think it's like a big crash course. I mean arguably we've already crashed in the united states In regards to you know, how we approach our health Like if you were to ask somebody today, would you rather have AIDS or would you rather be fat and have diabetes? I think every single person like I'd much rather be fat and have diabetes Diabetes knocks 10 years off your lifespan and hiv doesn't impact it at all anymore Like people have no idea how bad it is to be diabetic and like man It's like 80 of people in the united states that are overweight 60 70 percent in the in the uk and germany and france Italy like all these other countries have these huge problems. It just doesn't seem like people could manage certain things Um, given the perverse incentives. We have to sell things to you that are bad for you Right like candy bars tastes good government doesn't tell us not to well We're gonna sell a fuck ton of candy bars people are gonna eat themselves and do an early grave And then we all have to pay the cost for it, which is the worst part Well arguably people dying and that are probably the worst part, but depending on the look you're taking Yeah, but I would argue like that stems from this whole idea that you know People just want other people to make the decisions for them and tell them What is it is not good. They rely too heavily on the government to say, you know Candy bars are bad for you and they're gonna make you fat and you're gonna be overweight and you're going to suffer Long-term effects from being overweight instead of pushing out an adult population That is taking responsibility for their own actions and unfortunately, you know As much as we like to say we live in a free society, but too often we We pick up the slack for people that aren't making good decisions seems like yeah, you really effed up here, but you know It's okay. We're gonna take care of it for you, you know If you know if you drink yourself to near death where you know, your liver is completely shut down and you need a new one You know, you shouldn't be allowed to get on the transplant list when there are people There are perfectly healthy people that are living perfectly healthy lives that you know, unfortunately Their livers aren't working properly and they they need a new one You know, I think that too often we are As a society we step in and coddle full-grown adults for the Decisions that they made that put them in the position that they're in and It's it's become a way of life in the first world countries This is something that like I used to want to agree with this But I feel like if you like if you if you're a little bit critical about this for a while I feel like it becomes pretty intendable very quickly So like the idea that we hold people responsible for their health is a really difficult thing to to go on We can so we can use like obesity as an example The the only number I've seen on this is I think if you are at an obese bmi You have less than one percent chance to ever return to a normal weight in your entire life Like to get back into a normal bmi range like it's that hard once you've gotten obese to get back There are people that reach obese levels of being bmi before they're even 14 years old right like realistically Um, we're not going to blame like a nine-year-old for we're not going to blame a six-year-old for being overweight Or nine-year-old for being overweight or a 12-year-old for being obese like if they've been fed that way the whole lives So it seems kind of shitty that like well now you're you know 35 and you already are you know pre diabetic have high hypertension like is it your fault? I mean kind of but like damn you've been like set up to fail like right from the very beginning because of your parents And now you have to live with those consequences And you have like such an impossible battle to fight back to get to to what is normal that I don't know It seems like some third party intervention is pretty important there Yeah, I would agree with that but there has to be there has to be a limit like you know Unfortunately, you know, we are living in a huge old boy epidemic in the united states and some Start you know on drugs whenever they're kids, you know, they're their parents They're they're older friends loved ones get them hooked on drugs whenever they're kids and then they grow up into society They become adults and they're still addicted to drugs I mean there comes a point where you do have to take a certain level of responsibility For your continued actions of you know, your problem that puts you in the situation that you're in You know, it's like I think that that argument is too often used to excuse bad behavior as well I mean like people that grow up and poverished, you know, I grew up in poverty my parents were You know dirt poor and so I just didn't break the cycle It's just you know, I had I was handed a bad lot So I should be able to live on welfare for the rest of my life because I was born into a poor home you know, I think that Too often those arguments can be turned on each other back and forth, you know Where is the line and I think that is a hard line to draw sometimes But I think because it's a hard line to draw as a society We've chosen to just not draw it at all and instead now we're you know Praising obesity as being beautiful instead of telling people, you know, you're obese. You're hurting yourself. You're gonna die You need to start taking better care of yourself We've gone so far to the extreme on the other side, you know, we have morbidly obese women posing on the cover of sports illustrated I mean, we've definitely taken this way too far and coddling full-grown adults for having very very serious health problems I mean people always point this out, but I I don't know. I don't buy it Like people always say like oh, well, you know the health at every size movement, you know These sjw's or these liberals are coddling people too much. I mean, that's not true Look the fattest people aren't found in the liberal cities The fattest people are found in you know in like the midwest in the country Like these are and like it's somebody that comes from Nebraska And now lives in la and has traveled, you know all over the world over the u.s It's absolutely true Like you don't find all of these massively overweight people at miami beach Or you know like in downtown chicago, or you know and all of these like more diverse more like liberal sjw san francisco places These are people that you find like deep in louisiana and in alabama or in ohio or nabrasco or kansas Like I really do think that like obesity just seems to be like an impossible to avoid outcome when you have access to Ultra sugary ultra high calorie super cheap food And there's like no drawback to selling it and in terms of like where do we draw the line? I don't know. I feel like sometimes I feel like it's kind of easy to be like if if we could theoretically So the uk's expanded over this if we could theoretically like tax foods that have a certain number of sugar a little bit more Change people's buying habits a little bit They don't want to pay, you know the extra two dollars for you know Some candy bar when there might be another alternative that is a little bit cheaper But it has less sugar and if you can modify people's habits like that I mean if they want to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and spend more money to buy the fattier candy They can but for everybody else who's like easily turned on or off by certain price incentives You just want to buy like the cheaper one that has less sugar I mean if that makes the whole country more healthy It makes us more productive workers If it lessens the burden on our healthcare system if it makes helps people make better decisions I don't know It seems like really hard to be opposed to those types of restrictive measures if they move everybody in more positive direction Or we could just abolish the fda I mean we could but the fda is the one thing that kept us from Man, what was the drug that they sold in europe that was causing babies to come out with like 10 heads and shit It was super fucked and I think it was our fda that said we're not going to let you sell it Somebody in chat will know the name of this drug. Um, somebody help us out that thalamid thalamid. I don't know how to pronounce it thalamide But yeah, that was like that was a drug that was sold in europe for a while that had like really nasty effects on childbirth That our fda actually said I think that the fda does do good things I think it's pretty important to have some type of understanding of like what we're putting in our bodies And having a third party do that rather than a company that's trying to sell me the drug is probably a good idea I would say I think that there is there's an argument to be made for an organization like the fda that is like Yeah, you know, we've looked at this. This is you know, the outcome of these clinical trials Yeah, you don't want that like that's we're not even allowed that to be sold in our country because of it has such horrible outcomes But then you have you know, you have the fda saying like, you know, you can't have this because it's having really really bad birth defects But we're going to put all these regulations on you know selling the healthy food the healthy food's going to be more expensive So people are going to buy the cheap crappy stuff and we're not going to do anything about you know The massive levels of you know, high fructose corn syrup Even though we know all the horrible things that dat does to children's bodies, you know All of these dyes these sugars these additives that are just being pumped into our kid's system that is definitely The leading factor in childhood obesity They're just sitting back and the collecting the paycheck that they're getting from pushing This through and allowing this to happen Well, I mean that's that would be like an argument in favor of like taxing some sugars more or whatever Right, like it's not like high fructose corn syrup. That's that's the sugar that goes into your body like You know like fructose or lactose or anything else But I mean like it has bad impacts because people consume so much of it But like that would be an area where I agree like the fda could come in and be like hey Like if you've got like too much sugar in your in your food Like you have to pay like a slightly higher tax for it to discourage the production of it Like the reason why these foods exist is because they're so cheap and they're so easy to create I don't think it's because companies want to kill us It's just because it's cheaper and easier to make tasty stuff You know using massive amounts of antibiotics or hormones and in animals or you know making like super sugary You know cheap to eat stuff. I think it's just because it's easier to do it and it's more profitable. No I would agree with that Corporations are terrible people Sure. Yeah next up. Thanks for your super chat from talison overlander I'm a little confused on this one said destiny. Also, you're white She's just an observation Got you and thanks for your oh, this is a really okay This is a fun juicy one And it's probably maybe we should have this be the last one for the night just because it's really interesting and really relevant So in talking about the riots and whether or not they're justified both of you seem to be pretty sympathetic and In your own words, uh, you could kind of clarify But in particular asking would you also advocate for violence against state employees? whether it be police or Maybe even, uh, you know other state employees. They didn't specify. Where is the line drawn? I'll let you take this one first. Go for it. Uh, I draw the line at violence against other people Um, I do believe that violence, uh against other human beings Maybe this is just you know, the pro-life activist coming out of me But um, I think that violence against other human beings should be an absolute Absolute last resort and I don't think that systematic oppression Uh Is the extreme enough to the extreme enough where we need to be taking it out on government employees I know there's this coming from a more impoverished area of you know, Philly there are plenty of people around me that don't trust the government don't like the government But they work for the government because that's the only jobs that they could get at the time that they were looking for employment There are plenty of incentives to work for the government and for impoverished people You know those incentives are sometimes worth it And I think that you know, there's not uh, there's not a logical way to go about figuring out what government employees Are either for you know with you or against you whenever it comes to Civil disobedience or even civil violence, you know, you have these riots out here Um, that stems from this horrible awful tragic death of this man um Then you go into a city like mine Um, and there's government employees standing on the street Are you in a question each and every individual one to get their opinions on this man's death before you execute them? Um, I think that there's way too much gray area whenever it comes to that to be able to logically play that out Gotcha and then steven if you want to respond you can you don't have to um, yeah, I mean I I agree like um I think that there are levels of responsibility that you could probably get into So for instance like I wouldn't I don't think I would hold like somebody that works Like that does like paperwork at a police department at the same level of responsibility that I might hold Like the mayor, right? So I I mean like different arguments would obviously be tailored to the actual public official and the hand that they had in crafting some particular policy Maybe um, but I think that once you start getting into I look at more I would I would look at it from a pragmatic effect and from a moral effect morally You probably could justify violence against certain individuals Like if you have a family member who literally gets killed by a police department because of a policy crafted by like a certain Mayor I mean like you you have legitimate grievances there that are pretty hard to argue against But from a pragmatic point of view Most of the people that have these problems belong to like oppressed or minority classes If it turns into like an all out war genocide, you're not going to be on the winning team So like I don't I don't think it's smart or good from a political point to like start killing public officials I start killing people that might be involved in this because if we start like dishing out, you know Like the the big like violent actions I think that like you might get a genocide there that goes in the in the wrong direction or whatever instead of like Genociding bad public officials and horrible policy decisions like people might just start killing black people in the street You know indiscriminately or something like you have to be really careful with that. I think Gotcha and with that we'll wrap up. I want to say I forgot to mention earlier Thanks for subscribing. Vince Vagan saw that pop up on the screen Glad to have you and also want to let everybody know there whether you be Libertarian leaning left gay straight christian atheist you name it no matter what walk of life you come from We do hope you feel welcome here and with that we just want to say thanks so much for being here hanging out with us And thanks so much for our guests for making this a fun time. It's been a really interesting conversation So they're linked in the description folks So if you're listening and you're like, hmm, I like that you can hear plenty more Where that came from by clicking on those links that I put in the description just for you So thanks again, steven nk for being with us tonight. It's been a pleasure Yeah, thanks for having me Thank you so much Absolutely and folks just because we had the stream split in half. Very embarrassing. 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