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This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, September 6, 2017 on Tom Merritt with Scott Johnson. How are you, sir? Wednesday's own, I like to be called Wednesday's own Scott Johnson. You know, I'm from the internet. That's right. It's good to be here. Thank you for having me as always. And, uh, you know, this is a chance for us to hang out and do things when it isn't current geek. So I, I doubly like it. I like it too. Roger Chang likes it too. Don't you, Roger Chang, our producer? Yes, I like it. He is required by law to like it. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Microsoft Surface Chief Panos Panai will be speaking during future decoded a Microsoft event happening in London, October 31st and November 1st. Microsoft generally introduces new Surface hardware in October. So that's what everybody thinks he's going to talk about. Surface 5, baby. See what they can do. Uh, T-Mobile USA is bundling in free Netflix starting September 12th. That's a big day for a lot of reasons. Subscribers with two or more lines on the T-Mobile One Unlimited Plan can get standard $10 a month Netflix subscriptions at no charge. AT&T began doing HBO and its regular unlimited customer solutions last April seems to be a bit of a trend. Yeah, it's the new bundle. You get video services bundled in with your internet connection. Kind of interesting. Now here are some more top stories. Wired reports that Google has updated its Google Street View cameras for the first time in eight years. The new rig uses fewer cameras, but they're 20 mega pixel cameras so they can offer you higher resolution pictures, more vivid color, apparently, and machine learning algorithms. That's the key to all of this. It recognizes street names and street numbers, business names, and logos, and then automatically can add photos to Google's database. And as they're driving around taking pictures, this machine learning algorithm is training itself by looking at all these pictures and trying to identify what's in them, making the algorithm better the more it drives. So you're not only going to get improved Street View pictures, but they're talking about in the future, you'll be able to just go to Google Maps and say, Hey, what's that business in the pink building next to the church on the corner? And it'll tell you, Oh, that's Sanford and Sun's garbage disposal. I like where that went. Yeah, I saw a Google vehicle or, you know, one of the one of these Google Street View vehicles while I was in California, ripping down the street. And it occurred to me that Google probably isn't all that far off from at least the concept of one of their automated cars sometime in the future, driving around town, doing these photos. And in real time, having a bunch of these sort of just out, satelliteing around and updating all the time. I don't know if you'd need that frequent of updating, but I picture a future where autonomous Google vehicles taking pictures all the time will one day be mean, you know, looking on a phone or a device and saying, Oh, not only do I know traffic is bad because this little line is red, but now I can actually see photo proof that five minutes ago it was, it was, you know, backed up till the 405 and I better take another route. It's very, very interesting ideas coming out of that stuff. And I always like to see them innovate on that front. Yeah, I think it's a really interesting cross section, like you're saying, between AI and sort of what I considered the dot com era almost, it's web 2.0 era, Google Maps behavior here. Yeah, not giving it up yet. The US House of Representatives approved the self drive act, which would let companies test as many as 100,000 experimental autonomous vehicles, vehicles annually, which may include some of the ones I mentioned, companies can obtain exemptions from some state and federal regulations. They're usually meant for human driven cars. Consumers union is concerned that the bill lacks strong safety regulations. The bill now moves to the Senate where a hearing on self driving car legislations is scheduled for September 13th. Yeah, so the deal is we have all these regulations that require you to have things that are required for human driven cars, but self driving cars don't need all those things. So this gets rid of those requirements says, OK, we'll give you an exemption since you're doing a self driving car. You don't need to have step ladders that they don't need step ladders, but you don't have to be like you don't have to have things that require human humans to use. Now, I think they do still require steering wheels and stuff like that. But the consumers union, which are the folks who run consumer reports are saying, OK, but you still need safety regulations and you might even need new and different safety regulations, obviously for a self driving car. The whole point of this, if they can get it through the Senate, which for various other reasons, the functioning of the Congress right now is hard to predict. It's hard to say if this will get through the Senate in a timely fashion. But the idea is to make it easier for companies to be able to test their cars without having to navigate different restrictions in different states. I mean, we had the whole thing with Uber leaving San Francisco to go to Arizona because Arizona had different rules that it thought were easier to comply with. You may agree with San Francisco's rules, but it is nice to have a uniform set. Yeah, I mean, I this is a small personal aside, but I'm also actually I'd like it. It's heartening when I'm reminded like you've done here today that some sometimes legislation is being pushed through the Congress that is not necessarily tied to hot button issues that only get covered in the press. It's nice. This was bipartisan support for the self drive act. Yeah. And that's good. I mean, that's I always have sort of an optimistic view of how technology is able to flourish and grow and change and move. But I think we forget, you know, the stuff is in front of people that it is getting pushed through. It is part of the day's business, even if it's not being reported on all the time. So count on Daily Tech News show for that, I guess. Microsoft announced it is giving Windows 10 S users another three months to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro for free. So Windows 10 S is the limited versions kind of often compared to Chromebook as sort of a limited version of Windows that can run on on lower spec machines. You used to be able to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro for free. As long as you did it by the end of 2017, now they've extended it to March 31st. So if you buy one of these Windows 10 S laptops, you've got till March 31st to decide, actually, I'd like to make this a full on Windows 10 laptop. Now, after March 31st, you can still do the upgrade. You just have to pay 49 bucks. You think? I mean, this seems like this is just Microsoft saying, oh, we'll give some more time. But they probably have data that shows there's a lot of people who haven't made the move. Yeah. Well, and it's not like it's not like the creators update or any of the patches where they have an interest in forcing people to upgrade. This is just saying, hey, when you buy this, we'll give you a deal. We'll basically give you a full Windows 10 laptop here instead of S if you want it. So I'm not sure what motivates them to want to extend this deadline other than maybe not that many people are taking it up. Like you said, and and they're they there are people who would hesitate to buy a Windows 10 S laptop if they're unsure. They're like, I'll try S, but I kind of want Windows 10. And so extending it gives those people more runway. Yeah, make up minds as much as it's you've seen Microsoft over the years try to get away from having so many versions of Windows and trying to unify on their platform. There's still these little dangling issues. Oh, there always will be. Yeah. They want to simplify. They really like no way to do it. So I guess props to them for getting as far as they have. But anyway, do it now, everybody. Don't wait till April or March or next year. Well, no, again, this is not something you don't have to do it. You don't have to do it at all. If you don't, if you're fine with Windows 10 S, you're cool. Don't do it. Are you saying that people don't want to be a pro Windows users at yourself? Oh, well, I mean, otherwise, they wouldn't have Windows 10 S. Pro anyway. Hey, look at this, Sony in the news. This is a kind of a weird deal. Sony's deal to make these Bond movies ended in 2015. So that's the thing of the past and bids for the rights have been negotiated now. Hollywood reporter is sourcing or has sources who say, look at these names, Apple and Amazon are currently in the running with Warner Brothers and Sony to buy back the rights to make the movies for MGM, former Sony executive Jack Van Amberg and Jamie Ehrich are leading the push for Apple. If if any of these companies end up with James Bond and it isn't Apple, it will feel weird to me. And here's here's my thinking. OK, that is the most Apple sounding property that they could acquire to then push out on their, you know, whatever their new TV and movie initiative stuff is going to be. And the reason I say that is it just smells like Apple. It's just a dude on smells like Apple. I don't know what it is. There's something about the James Bond thing. Really? That very, very much adheres culturally to perhaps Apple's thing. It's a complete like like visual for me. It's got no basis in reality, except I just feel that feels like the fit. Oh, I feel like James Bond hates the Apple user. I'm not joking. Like, I feel like James Bond looks at the Apple geek, you know, the hipster with his iPhone and the AirPods in, sort of describing me when I go from a run, but whatever. I think he just looks at it like, what a jerk, you know? I I'm not going to use those stupid things. I've got Q hooking me up with my custom gadgets. They're all Raspberry Pi made and are doing those. Yeah, that's actually a good point. But there's something about that kind of maybe it's the older bond, too, because I think the dangling is the style that you're thinking. Yeah, maybe there's a clean style to it. But again, like Daniel Craig's era, not so much clean, not so much symmetrical. It's a little more gritty and in the dirt. So it's probably just a weird old Roger Moore problem I have. But look at this, you're never going to get James Bond to order an Apple teeny. No, you're going to be a Vartini. Yeah, and he prefers Apple fans shaken, not scared. Hey, it's Zach Van Amberg and Jamie Ehrlich, who are the Sony executives that are now leading that push for Apple. And the reason I bring the back up again is I think this is super interesting from the Apple point of view for a different reason. Amazon is releasing pictures in theaters, moonlight, for instance, released in the theaters, got an Academy Award and then was put on Amazon Prime. They're not doing what Netflix is doing where they're taking on the theaters. So if Apple is in serious negotiations, I don't think the broccoli family, which are the producers of this, I don't think MGM, which is looking for people to make the movies and distribute them and cut them in the profits. I don't think any of them want to deal with a Netflix where they're not going to have exclusive releases in the theater. So this would imply that Apple is open to the idea of getting into the business of releasing a movie in theaters with the traditional 90 day exclusive window before they come to an Apple platform. And that puts Apple in a whole new situation. I mean, I think it's interesting to see Amazon getting into that. But if you follow the steps of Amazon Prime and Amazon Originals, it kind of makes sense. Okay, this would be the next step for them to do a traditional movie release under the Amazon logo. Apple doing that is that's there's echoes of Steve Jobs and Pixar and everything in my head here. But this is Apple doing it, not Apple's old executive at a different company doing it. Yeah, it does. It feels a little like a jobs era thing that you would hear about then. Not so much now with Tim Cook, but it makes sense. Also, it's kind of a Sony path. I mean, Sony plays this trail with being primarily in electronics manufacturer and eventually about into media and music and film and and and then Apple takes the Sony people to be like, Hey, you guys know what it's like to work for a company that also makes electronics do. Yeah, no, that I didn't even thought about that part of it, too. That's it. That is very interesting. So I don't know. I have a feeling it's going to be Warner or Sony getting the rights back. I don't put a lot of emphasis on Apple and Amazon being able to pull this off other than than driving up the price. They've got the cash to do this. So I'm certain they could afford it. It's all the other things they would have to promise to do that maybe the studios could do that they can. And it is it's a shakeup in the sense that now traditional studio systems have to worry about these guys, these nerds from Silicon Valley and their bidding on the thing they usually have per view over. And that is fascinating to me. So whoever ends up with I just like the idea that they're in their bidding. It kind of shakes things up without actually really doing much. It may like you say may end up in Sony's hands again for all we know. And as you said, it is. I forget how unthinkable it was that Sony bought Columbia Pictures, right? And we're not talking about Apple or Amazon buying a studio. They're becoming studios, which is a little bit different, but that is an interesting parallel. Investigators for Major League Baseball determined that the Boston Red Sox stole hand signals given by opponents catchers for what pitch should be thrown. If you don't understand that amount of baseball, just focus on the electronics part of the story. A complaint was filed by the New York Yankees Baseball Club, which showed a video of a Red Sox training staff member looking at an Apple Watch. Then he would tell other players in the dugout something and then those players would signal to the batter what pitch to expect. Red Sox admitted the video replay personnel were messaging the trainer in question. Now the Red Sox contend that the Yankees use a camera from their own Yes Network broadcast to steal signs. So they're like, well, you guys do it too. And stealing signs is not illegal. If I'm on base in a game and I can see the catcher sign and I can signal it to the to the batter up at the plate that's on my team, that's fair. That's all fair. People may not like it. They may think it's untoward, but it's not against the rules. What is against the rules is using assistive devices to steal signs. So nobody on the team can use binoculars to try to see the signs and they certainly can't use electronic devices like an Apple Watch, which is why this is causing all the hullabaloo. But I think the reason I wanted to put the story in not only my own love of baseball attracts me to it, but the idea that baseball in miniature is experiencing what we as people in public are experiencing, which is cameras everywhere. And how do you deal with privacy issues? In this case, keeping your signs private when everybody can see everything all the time. Yeah, that's really interesting to see how that worked out. I don't quite understand how the watch played the played a role specifically. It was it was probably a text message. Sure, I guess is the guy the guy looking at the at the cameras upstairs with text message the trainer, the trainer would get the text message on his Apple Watch so he could unobtrusively go, it's going to be a fastball. Right. And it was less obvious because it was just on his watch. And it just it creates. I like the questions it creates because you can start really whittling down like what is assistive and what isn't. And if I'm using an old rotary phone up in the room and someone down there is using some ancient phone on the wall, is that the same? Maybe it is. Maybe it is. You can't use anything. Can't even use binoculars. So anything besides your eyeballs is is against the rules. Well, here's what's going to happen then just like everything in sports, the minute somebody gets caught doing something, they do what they did here, which is blame the Yankees and say, well, they do it too because they use their cameras. That's assistive. And then everybody else in the legal. So well, yeah, we do this, just like, you know, everybody's using steroids. It'll be the same sort of back and forth. And then eventually the league is going to have to get together. The MLB will have to get together and figure out some sort of agreed upon new updated in the light of a modern world with cameras everywhere world. And then who knows what that looks like, but it's going to be going to be fun to watch it. Well, because teams have been caught looking at monitors and signaling into the dugout. The dugout isn't allowed to have monitors, you know, but, but I mean, you put the video up on the scoreboard. You can't put it up during the play because then that would tip off people. So I feel like at some point they just have to give up on this and say, you know what? Everybody's got video everywhere. We want to have electronics on the sidelines. We want to have tablets and stuff and we don't want to have to try to lock them down to keep the tablets from showing video. So let's just say, if you can see it, you can steal it and you're going to have to come up with a new way of doing signals. I suggest this is anathema to traditional baseball fans. I know part of me rebels against saying it. I suggest two-way radio between the catcher and the pitcher. Oh, interesting. Just a little earpiece unobtrusive, you know, could be like a little Bluetooth headset. One and it's secure, secure communication one-on-one. And the catcher, you know, just, he's going to have to say it quiet enough that the batter doesn't hear him, but just, you know, says maybe even says a code word. Yeah. And he doesn't even have to, it doesn't even have to be, I mean, they do this in the NFL when coaches talk to like defensive coordinators. They put their hand up here. Also, they have giant mics for both advertising. Yeah. So the bigger problem is is the batter being able to hear you even if you're covering your mouth. So what if it's bone conduction? Oh, that's interesting. So so you just you whisper with your mouth covered basketball. I'm all for this. Everything you've said is good. I just think at some point they have to realize the baseline now is everybody's got a camera everywhere. Always we're wearing wearables. We have stuff around us all the time. That is the baseline of modern society and it will only grow from there. Yeah, exactly. And convenient. So you have to keep that in mind and adjust accordingly. And whatever that is, I don't know, but you're talking about a game that's 100 years old based on a much even older game. You got to come. You got to come to something and figure it out because otherwise you have to use a mic for the catcher. You just have something in the glove where he can press it. And then it sends, you know, and a voice in the pitcher said, says fastball. The catcher never says anything he came to see which button he's pushing. So it is mitt. Yeah, I love it. It's perfect. Let me check the web for you. It'll say once in a while and it screws up. Send your angry baseball traditional e-mails to feedbacks to show dot com or just comment randomly on our subreddit. You can you can do that too. Anyway, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com. It's the best way to just keep up to date on everything. We've got a podcast. We've got an Amazon Echo Flash briefing and the anchor app where you can even call in to our anchor station and you can flip through stuff. That's an anchor dot f m. Now, this is another important story today. Symantec released a report on Wednesday. So as we are recording this, it's this morning that it has seen malicious activity on operational networks that control the power grid in the U.S. and elsewhere. Now, Symantec says that basically this is an intelligence gathering move that the malicious actors have no more technical hurdles to causing disruption. And they talk about two different waves of attacks of a group called dragonfly. Now, they're not even saying that dragonfly is the same in both cases, but they noticed that a group they called dragonfly conducted intrusions of power companies between 2010 and 2014 in the U.S. and Europe. And then those those were basically just trying to see if you could get logins and passwords from people for the non connected, the non critical systems. This latest wave, which happened from 2015 to 2017, was an attempt to get critical system access. And Symantec says they did it. They were they were able to create screenshots of interfaces that would have allowed them to turn things on and off. Now, there has been one attack during this period in Ukraine, actually, to December 2015 and another one in 2016, where they did turn off circuit breakers. They did cause disruption to power service. There have not been any attacks by the Symantec group. They don't think it's the same group. They say this dragonfly 2.0 group stopped short of doing that. They said they had the capability of doing it, but they stopped short. And they say that's probably because this was an intelligence gathering move. And the third wave would be the one where they actually gain access and do something at a strategic time. So it's not like there are attackers lurking with their hand over the circuit breakers and all the major power outlets in the US and Europe right now. In fact, Symantec has assisted some companies in kicking out attackers from the deepest penetrations. They've sent warnings to more than 100 companies. They have recommended practices for refreshing logins and IDs and adding two-factor authentication, et cetera, et cetera. But this was preparation for a third wave, Scott. Yeah, I the whole thing gives me the willies. I'm going to come at this a little bit from the alarmist point of view, only because I like it when you talk me down even if I'm medically doing it. So the idea that they can turn off the lights, essentially cut power. This morning, you reminded me that that's a lot more serious than it may sound at first glance. Some people would just go, oh, well, whatever, light the candles and inconvenience, whatever. But yeah, they they were able to cut it in certain areas that were essential or or at times when, you know, there's been a natural disaster already. There's all kinds of ways. Yeah. And in those cases, you know, people can die. Like there's real consequences to power being cut. That isn't just simply I can't see what's going on for a period of time. What scares me more almost weirdly is that they have the capability to do it and haven't done anything yet. Like like you said, they're using it as sort of as R&D to this point. The alarmist in me wants to think, oh, great, that means somebody's planning a much bigger plan of of wide outage, perhaps global to what end who knows or whatever. And it's it's pretty freaky. Here's the question. Can can anything be done without outright you know, governments, even then, I don't know if that fixes the problem, but let's say governments take over the entire power system and it's no longer got tendrils that are owned by private companies or state-owned agencies or anything else where the way it is set up now that we basically say, all right, the government has full control over the power grid. Bam slam and we're done. Is that a solution? Like at some point, I feel like I feel like I already exist in a lot of European situations and even exist in some American states, but does it like doesn't change anything? This don't have the proper practices in place that are securing your network. It doesn't matter who runs it. And if you that's my point, who determines what that is? Well, government, so keep in mind that the two other places that semantics sent warnings, where the Department of Homeland Security and the North American Electric Reliability Corporation, the NA ERC, there is a lot of regulation. There's a lot of supervision of the power grid. It's not like these are just, you know, your small family run electric electrical grids. There's a lot of coordination. So I think what you're trying to get after is like, who do I talk to? Who do I go and shake and say, secure these things? It's all of these places. And changing it to be, you know, run by the government would just mean you have more people all under one system. But that really doesn't solve it. What solves it is the people who are running these power grids putting in secure systems and reports like Symantec coming out and getting attention are the way you put pressure on them. Yeah, I just feel like standardization has to happen at some point now, whether that's like the way there is standardization, you're assuming there isn't, right? As an alarmist, I definitely am assuming there isn't. Yeah, but this is what happens. This is what happens a lot. And I'm glad you're bringing this up. And I'm not going after you here. A lot of times people hear about something for the first time, and they're like, well, why don't they do this? And the people in the industry are like, we do, we do all of those things. Right? There's another problem. And you're not helping us fix that problem by saying we should do all the things that we already do. Why isn't there two factor authentication? Well, ask every internet system on the planet, every bank, you know, everybody we're getting better about it. But it's expensive. It's expensive to implement. It's expensive to roll out. It slows things down. IT systems are like, if we can get around without it, we'd like to and up till now, it's been very unusual for bad actors to get into power systems. This is just kind of the way it goes until somebody gets close to doing something bad. IT systems often aren't secured. And my guess is if you went around and surveyed all the sys admins at all the energy grid companies, they'd say either yes, we are scrambling to put this in place right the second, or they would point upstairs and go, talk to my boss because he's the one who won't authorize the man power in the budget to do it. Yeah, there's a criticalness to these systems that I think are going to freak people out. When they hear this, you just sort of put it in the back of your head that the power grids are good. We got that covered. There must be right things in place. And even when the DHS sum comes out and says this exact quote at this time, there is no indication of a threat to public safety does not give me all that much comfort, because this kind of exposure is enormous and it affects everything. It affects the internet, which is so beautifully built around redundancy, but not when there's no power, despite emergency power sources and things that may get us by for a while. But like the world hinges on secure power systems. And the minute this starts to happen, it just feels like everybody's got to get together, make a plan and implement standards that are high, evolving and always moving so that we don't get in this position where there's a power plant in Sweden that's way behind on two factor authentication, yet, you know, two countries over somebody's got that all worked out. Thank goodness they have power in Sweden won't or whatever. Yeah, not pick it on Sweden. Just picking Oh, it's just an example. I mean, Sweden's probably got better put together than anybody as far as I know. I don't know. But but yeah, like this is a this scares me because I just know people are slow to want to like, get up to spec. And that's a bummer because, you know, if the fact that they didn't pull the trigger, that really makes me nervous. Like if it was because they're that's that's they're in they did pull a trigger in Ukraine, different group. So it's not like that hasn't happened. There may be other reasons why this didn't happen. DHS is playing it close to the vest. They may know a lot more about what's going on because of intelligence surveillance. And this reminds me to conversations we've had for years about SCADA systems in general where people are like, yeah, you know, the it's not connected to the internet per se, but the passwords 12345 because that's the default password and everybody figured, well, you have to have a lock to get into the box to begin with that at that particular industrial plant. And people figured out, Oh, well, it's not that hard to break those locks and get in there. So now we're talking about direct threats to the power grid. People have been warning about this for years. Power grid has always been something that in the United States is a little bit weird in the way it's constructed across state lines and power trading and the whole Enron thing back in the early 2000s. But I do think that this is good that Symantec is coming out with this report saying they didn't do it. Hurry up and lock this down. And my whole point of doing Daily Tech News show is to help myself and others understand all this stuff better. So like what happened with SCADA systems, if we can get folks who are in the industry to write into feedback at DailyTechNews show dot com and tell us like, Hey, no BS. This is what needs to be done. And either there's nothing you can do to help or if you wrote your congressman, maybe that would help whatever, but give us the scoop on it. We'd appreciate that. Yeah, plus fishing schemes suck and I freaking hate it. Whenever they work, noise the crap out of me. Now, I'm wondering if they didn't pull the trigger in that they just had multiple operations going and they, you know, if you alert, if you alert everyone to the one, they might just simultaneously try to shut everything off there by denying the access to the other stuff they want to do. So it might be it might be part of a comprehensive like, Well, you know, we won't do it this way because we want to make sure we get all the other stuff, or it could just be straight political, you know, there's going to be a lot of finger pointing and maybe I wondered if there wasn't some leveraging, right? Where they where they show these, you know, it sounds a little spy movie, but they show the pictures. We have pictures of your interface. We could have shut down your electric. You do what we want or this will not stop next time. That's what it feels like to me a little bit. I mean, who knows? Because we don't know who these people are. We don't know if they're backing on behalf of a government or an organization if they're all bunch of who has dorking around on their business. Nobody knows. So we don't know what the end game is, or maybe we don't in Department of Homeland Security and other national security systems around the world. No. And they just can't say, but man, as somebody whose entire life hinges on electricity and with the knowledge that could happen if you took down major grids in this world. Oh, man, bad, real bad. I'm still alarmist is what I'm saying. You know, the good thing is that could kind of push people toward developing more more localized energy grids based off alternative energy sources, right? If you have solar or wind, you could build a grid that isn't that. I mean, we stretch our power lines across my guess is that just provides other surfaces for attack. It's not like you can't, you know, the system that's managing all that load balancing and there there there'd be a way to get into that as well. Great. I'll just build up a new participates that are subreddit. You could submit stories of Vodana, the daily tech news show dot right at dot com and our Facebook group at Facebook dot com slash groups slash daily tech news show. Our thing of the day comes from Matt in sadly smoky British Columbia. So I've always enjoyed how you've commented on tech stories from all over the world. So I thought you'd appreciate this one. Bloomberg made a series called Hello World. It's a 10 episode show available on YouTube. Each 20 minute episode showcases innovative technology from a different country, New Zealand, Sweden, Russia, etc. worth checking out YouTube dot com. And we'll have a link to the Bloomberg channel playlist of that in our show notes at daily tech news show dot com. Thank you, Matt. Send your picks to his folks feedback and daily tech news show dot com. And you can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks. What's our next email, Scott? Well, we got a message of the day today from Cody, the video game programmer. I like him already. It says, Hey, Tom and crew, I just wanted to comment on the use of fitness trackers from Friday. I understand the writer's point of view about how not how not everyone needs a fitness tracker. For me personally, I use it to keep me honest. I am a computer scientist and I put my faith in data more than my own perception. I thought I had plateaued in my quest to lose weight on my own. I started using the fitness tractor to help a tracker to help me get data on my workout habits and diet, and have lost an additional 15 pounds in eight months. I don't think I would have been able to do that on my own. But the data from the fitness tracker helped me understand where I could make improvements and where my perception might have been wrong about my limitations. For me, this sanity check about my own performance is why I continue to use it. Love the show, Cody. Thank you, Cody. Same same deal for me, by the way, my Fitbit is all about that for me. It is it's not there to be the miracle that I, you know, that some people wanted to be or it's not the thing that's making me lose weight, but me being able to look at it and go, All right, well, I ran this much today. That's more than yesterday. And I weighed myself this week and I've done that four days in a row. Therefore, this weight is attributable to that. Like I can really make sense of that stuff instead of just, you know, hope that if all I eat is leaves that I'll be fine. Hey, T2 T2, who is in Estonia sent us a lovely roundup of the news around the Estonian ID card hack. I'm going to read you a few excerpts of it here. But if you want to read more, he's got a lot more about it, including some links at dailytechnewshow.com in our show notes. The bridge version is genius.ee did an expert survey and of the experts that they surveyed a lot thought that because the public key server, which is a place where you can enter any person's ID number to encrypt a file for only them to be read has been closed. So I can't do that anymore. And that makes the experts believe that for some reason it's possible to come up with a private key based on the public key. So you put in the ID number and somehow are able to derive the private key. That would be a big problem. The government is pointing the blame towards the manufacturer of the cards, Gamalto, as previous generations of cards were acknowledged as safe and came from a different manufacturer. And then as to how they would fix this, T2 says likely software update for people to use at home backup would be to have it done at a police or border patrol office where they can handle identification. And the last would be just to replace your ID altogether. During a government press conference, they recommended people switched a mobile ID saying just get rid of the old broken card and use a special SIM card and you can use your ID on your phone. And GeniusDOTEE claims to have found the scientists who did the research who do not want to give interviews, prefer to stay anonymous for now. But GeniusDOTEE says that they are legitimate European researchers with a CV filled with contacts to Western crypto and security companies. So they may not want to make themselves known right at the moment for various reasons, but they are legit according to that outlet. Nice. T2, once again, one of the smartest people who listens to your show. Keeps our chat room running, keeps our, is getting our CDN roll into DiamondClub.tv and providing on the scene reporting from Estonia. Thank you, T2. T2. And thank you, Scott Johnson. Oh, the pleasure. It is all mine. Let's let's just hope that by next week, all the power stays up and we can do this again. 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I keep hitting the old cough button right at the feel good about it. When did you get that cough? Titles. Yeah. Titles. Titles. I watch the signs. Roger is required by law to like it. That's actually not a law. It's more of a suggestion for your iPads only. Tom Talks, Scott Down again. Bond. Prime Bond. Amazon Prime. That actually sounds more like a investment. Prime Bond. Bond. Prime Bonds. I'll take those apples shaken out, stirred. What's the pink building? What's that pink building? Google Street View gets street smart. What Congress makes progress? Bond, I bond. A Roger Moore problem. Bond. I bond. Moe flex. Sign of the Times. Tom's rules for baseball. Siri, I'm sorry. There's no cheating in baseball. Hack the power. Siri? Not sorry. Oh, I get it because of the Apple Watch. Got it. OK. Never mind. T Flicks. The new bundle. Prime Bond. James Bond smells like Apple. James Apple. Apple TV. Red Sox funds are used for the Apple Watch. Cheating in that baseball. There's an app for that. Dragonfly. Dragonfly causes Scott to scare for Scott. Nation-sponsored intelligence gathering sounds a lot like a plot from Amazon. Apple's James Bond. Smells like Apple Windows 10. Hackers of the power part of hackers. The name is on Amazon. Estonia has lost its keys. Yeah, I'll let you. Anything tickle your fancy, Scott? No, none of them did. I mean, they're all OK. I like the I bond thing just because I like I bond comma I bond. I like the cheating in baseball. There's an app for that. That was not bad. There is no cheating in baseball. Oh, wait, that's crying. There is cheating. It's not cheating. Well, I mean, it's cheating if there's a rule against it. It's not cheating to steal signs. And I guess the point I was trying to make on the show is I think you just got to give up on trying to stop people from seeing signs with things other than their eyeballs. You know, once they get those pitchers and catches with telepathy, it's over. Yeah, those signs are nothing. Well, machine learning algorithms are just going to tell you what's going to what they're going to pitch next anyway. They're all going to be predicting each other. Maybe they'll get new pitches like a 360 corkscrew. Yeah. And then the machine learning algorithm for one team will say they are most likely to throw this and the machine learning algorithm for the other team will say they are most least likely to anticipate this and then the team with the better algorithm will win. They'll all look like Pete Rose. Well, they're going to be gambling. Yeah. They're on their own teams. Wouldn't that be the height of artificial intelligence? They got so good that they were literally betting against or betting on. What if it got so good that all games were just tied? That'd be so boring. Be like watching Pong when freezes and the balls in the middle and. Yeah, you got my thing. I'll go bond. I bond. I'm fine with that. I bond. Bond bond. Bond. I bond. Sounds like a bail bond. I bond. Loved one in jail. There's an app for that. Your app is your phone dialer. Yeah, call a lawyer. Yeah, there's an app for that. The phone app. Bail bondsman, Bill. I really like the gold cream one, but I don't know how you're going to use it. Now, wait, where were we right before the show? I was like, we need to we need to dig back into this after the show. And now I can't remember what it was. Oh, what was it? Um, we were talking about those spacing. I remember. Does anyone show is that good? So good. No, we were talking about, um, singing three old guys tried to remember what they were talking about. I remember there's three guys talking. Come on, someone help us out here. I remember. Was it right before the show? Yeah. Crap. Oh, we were talking about airlines and food and then smoking and airlines. Oh, the UK. We're talking about going to the UK thing. Is that it? Is that it? We were doing we were basically doing a Seinfeld bit on airlines and food. Yeah, we were saying like it was. You said there was no airline food. No, you said like when you were traveling, it was really bad, but it's gotten better. And you said most recently when you traveled somewhere on United, Oh, the blue icicle. You're asking about the blue icicle, Scott. What's the blue icicle? Oh, oh, you're saying you're too rough on it. Right. We did talk about that. But I think you were just saying they break sometimes. And then I think, yeah, but if you're careful, that mines lasted me for years. Well, I'm actually trying. Oh, and I was saying to you, Roger, that when, uh, when I do the show from the UK, I want I want you to run the sound. I don't want to have to take my mixer with me there. OK, I don't take the mixer with you. Done. I'll take that to mean you're OK with that. Yeah. Are you going to do it off your Mac? Yeah, I always do. The question is whether I bring my iPad and my mixer and then do the sounds there or whether I and have guests, you know, that's the other thing. Guess the guests. Yeah, I'm thinking what I'll just I'll just do it from my hotel. Would you like another tea, sir? What time is it there? It's 10 p.m. Right, ish. What is what is it eight hours ahead? Let me look up my little time scroller app. Time scroller. It is 10, 14 p.m. So, yeah, so the show starts at 9 30 p.m. That's not bad. Thank you, Zoe brings bacon. So I can have a meet up during the day and then say hi to everybody. But then I have to be back in my hotel room by nine to do the show. So no late nights for me. Unless I do the show from from the meet up, if we do the meet up at a place that has good bandwidth, like a co-working space or something, then I can just do the show with a live audience there. You mean like Top Gear? Yeah. Yeah. More. Smart. Good idea, see. Who's the Stig? No one knows. That's the whole thing about who's our Stig. You need to come up with one and not tell anyone who it is. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. So basically you can make it anyone you want. All right, I need to start talking to people who know things to get a place to do the show on Monday, October 9th in London. Big Ben. Because when we were talking to Patrick yesterday, I was like, oh, what if I just took the train to Paris? He's like, well, it's two and a half hours to get here, two and a half hours back. And the show is at night. So it's going to be late. I wouldn't be getting back home until like one in the morning. So I don't know if I'll be dropping it on Patrick after all. I should have planned this better. Well, you're not there. You're there for someone else. So you're. Yeah, that's true. I'm just tacking this on. Are you going? Is I like going? Is you guys going together? No, she can't go because of work stuff. We have another wedding in New York at the end of October, which I'll start talking to New Yorkers about soon, I guess. But of that, she was basically like she could only choose to get out of work for one of them. Well, as soon as I had a kid, all my weddings that I was supposed to go to suddenly like, sorry, I can't make it. You just you're like, no, not going to bother. The only one I made was my cousin, but hers was out here in L.A. So it was I could drive down, but the other one's like, oh, it's in Maine. I don't know if I can play out. Everyone's like, don't worry about it. I feel like you can't. It's just a real it's like a triple hassle, if not more. Triple hassle. Scott, how many weddings did you go when the kids were young? Oh, gosh. We flew we flew to Mississippi a lot because Kim's family was down there. Oh, yeah. And it was one of my kids was always pretty good. One of them Carter when she was little, she would always be fine on the plane. And as soon as we get off, she just barf. Every time. But never on the plane. That was good. But yeah, kids on planes, man. It's I don't know. But they were lucky. I think the youngest I think the youngest we have is maybe a eight month old is the youngest we ever had. Yeah, that that age, they're just kind of like luggage. It's true, though. I mean, like they yeah, they can be allowed to run around and if they're allowed luggage, I'm going to hand out earplugs. But anyone else complains, get a couple of fives. No, that's why Kim and I are very sympathetic to people with whose kids are having, you know, their ears pop or whatever on a plane. So she'll I've always been sympathetic with people with kids. And it's just like I remember this jerk from. No, I shouldn't say jerk. Maybe he was just overworked and had not enough sleep, but he was really irritable on the flight. He was just like, I don't want to be next to these to this couple had a young baby in their lab. So I can fly all this way to be stuck with next to a kid. And the stewardess is just like, I totally understand that some guy up in first class agreed to swap seats with them. Wow. Wow. Well, that's off to that guy. Everyone wanted to go home and didn't want to listen to this guy basically whine for an hour. Who was me? It's like, yeah, everyone's had a tough life. Kim has been known to leap up, run halfway back in the rear of the plane where the kids crying and walk up and down the aisle with the baby and try to help them calm down. You know, a trick that the pediatrician told us was to have them nursing or sucking a bottle on the flight up to pop their ears going up and down. I was, we were lucky. It didn't really bother Ellie at all. She was just we also, we also managed to get a third seat her own seat. So she was just walking between us and then waving at all the other passengers. Just a little bit. I know it works out well. It works out well. I can only think of having a more abrasive child. All right, folks. Well, thank you very much for watching. Thank you once again for supporting us and getting us closer and closer. We are headed right towards that goal that we need to get all of the new stuff, including Sarah Lane on the show. So thank you. And thank you. And thank you. And keep spreading the word and we will talk to you tomorrow. Hurdling toward the goal.