 When I talk about peer learning, for me my definition is using my own experience as a point of departure and using myself as an example, but also introducing them to peers within the field. I mean this idea of commercial photographers, I've always said this, that the photo program can serve everyone's needs. I mean it's a one person, I am the photo concentration, it's a one person department. So being kind of all things to all people, so if you want to pursue fashion photography or commercial photography or a fine art gallery museum, you can go any one direction. And so those conferences, finding a conference that kind of suits the needs of the program is also kind of a trick. Those conferences serve an incredible purpose. Usually the students, like in Portland for example, they wrote a proposal and their proposal was accepted and they did a panel and so once their panel is accepted then we go through all this rehearsing and trying to figure out how to fine tune their presentation. So they have to meet outside of class, this is one of those outside of classroom experiences where they have to be self-reliant and it's not about me or satisfying a grade, it's about them designing and building a panel presentation that they're presenting at a regional conference. I think I give lots of reinforcement and I have said this before that I teach everything I know in the first ten minutes and I just repeat myself, so they kind of drift listening to me, it's like your parents. But when you hear it from an outside agency other than the institution, these are from strangers essentially so they get this positive feedback from professionals from more than the field and so they just let up. He's always really been supportive of us going to SBE and we went to the regional conference in Spokane and he really helped us with that and helped us look at our portfolios and make business cards and websites and all that and has really wanted us to get together and sort of get some of the younger kids into going next year. The regional conference sparked them having interest in going to the national and that was just, I mean we're still kind of tallying the results of that, the benefits. They were so incredible in terms of their performance and preparation and the fundraising. They single-handedly raised all the money for that conference, no one gave them any handouts and so I was able to generate revenue through vendors and through university but they really pounded the pavement and made a lot of money to go to that conference. I think twelve of them went and they paid for transportation, registration and room and board at a national conference. I mean I don't know about you but as an undergraduate no one ever offered me entrance into a graduate program based on a portfolio so they really reaped the benefits of the national conference. They didn't present there but they did participate in the portfolio reviews and a lot of people don't even know what a portfolio review is but essentially we got together as a group and we all made small portfolios that was like a sampling of their work and then they were able to present it at formal portfolio reviews. We have professionals from Calumet, Kaurak, Fuji to universities, Rochester, every major research university in the United States reviewing portfolios. I mean I think the participation in those regional and national conferences are, they're just, it's incredible.