 All those things we discussed one of the most important things regarding freedom of speech and accountability is the persecution and arrest of Julian Assange right now. So first my question would be if you could give us briefly the current situation of Assange's situation. Well his situation is very precarious if we just look at the individual and the personality and his health situation it is declining as it's natural and normal for somebody who has been deprived of freedom for all this time under this immense pressure Julian has been deprived of full freedom for you know 12 years now house arrest asylum in the aquaculture embassy without any access to daylight or exercise outdoors for seven years and now three and a half years in a maximum security prison in London waiting and fighting against the extradition so that is his situation is not good his health has declined and it should not be which is expected of somebody who has endured so much legally he is now fighting against the extradition in the court and we are now waiting for the high court in London to evaluate the the request for an appeal we fully appreciate fully fully expect that this will be they will hear the appeal it would be scandalous if they would not hear the appeal the reason the answer to that question will come in the next days or weeks and then there will be a court case and hearing and in that hearing all the most serious stories of violations against Julian will be for the first time heard in an appeal court and with the added evidence that have come since the first round for example the news report that the CIA was plotting to kitten up or kill Julian in the aquaculture embassy in 2017 which by itself should be enough to prove that he will not stand a chance of any fair trial in the United States and therefore the extradition should collapse so this is the situation that if everything goes to the worst he might be on a plane rendition plane to the U.S. in the next weeks so time is running out for us we don't and we have to we have to take into account the worst case scenario so that is the reason why we are taking an increased step on on getting on board as many political forces as possible to solve this on a political platform because in the essence of it is has nothing to do with the laws that is what has been exposed in all these proceeding in london a courtroom despite the facade of of of justice in a in a very fancy courtrooms with judges with the wigs on their heads what has been exposed through an entire process that this has nothing to do with the law it's a pure political persecution if you could explain to me briefly you mentioned this there is a lawsuit against Mike Pompeo right from from Spanish courts regarding this uh uh assassinate attempt against science well actually there are several lawsuits with where where where Mike Pompeo is implicated one is by julian's lawyers and journalists who were visiting him in the embassy and who were spied upon by the cia when Mike Pompeo was director of the the agency of course he later became the secretary of state in front of government so he is he is implicated in that case that's an american case which is launched in america and uh and uh Mike Pompeo has been subpoenaed to to appear in that court case uh there's another case ongoing in madrid and that is against the security company that worked on behalf of the cia in installing all this spying on on julian and everybody who visited him uh and broke the rights of him his rights and or everybody who visited that case is in in the courts in madrid and is ongoing in that case the the magistrate judge in in madrid has requested mike Pompeo's present presence uh as former director of the cia as it is obvious that he must have had knowledge and approved of of this outrageous operation so there are many fronts to fight on and uh in the push back revelations of comfort which are you know astonishing in this time and age of astonishing so when you you mentioned so in the beginning you mentioned the reaction against uh weak leaks and this kind of of journalism enterprise and and now you mentioned about the espionage of some cases uh can we say and and i mentioned for example this candle of the pegasus spyware in israelia that uh was uh uh reveal was uh spying on journalists and activists that this would be part of the reaction i mean governments and even corporation maybe trying to spy and persecute people like like asanj yeah governments corporations and government in in collusion with the corporations uh that is that is the ongoing trend that is uh that is uh extremely serious and needs to be addressed yes that is has been ongoing of course the revelation of edwards noden which we helped him to get to security was astonishing especially to americans who were rather sensitive to to spying on their on their private matters but these these elements have been growing and it's a part of the same trend it did not stop in 2010 it escalated in 2010 but this it was a trend that had started earlier and unfortunately for example it it didn't seem to matter who was in in the white house at the time whether it was a democrat or republican uh it manifested for example in the outrageous escalation in under the obama administration in their war against whistleblowers and i mean you can go on the internet and find uh you know outcries for from from obama when he was campaigning before 2008 that he would take special care of protecting the rights of whistle blowers what happened under obama more whistleblowers were prosecuted under the as pianos act than in the terms of all presidents before him combined uh we sat at the time this is extremely serious because this is the uh a step in one direction and one direction only they will go after whistleblowers on calling them spies you and abuse this this as pianos act then it will come out a journalist and unfortunately we were right and it was not until the abuse of the as pianos act against julian asans that that that the the chilling effect of it really hit in and uh this is this is so it's part of a trend and yes the uh it is all part of the same fight for truth and human rights the attack on privacy has always been in our book you know part of the the fight and and and manifest in our mission at wickily's so julian was very outspoken very early on in that field and it is the other side of the coin you know we want transparency and accountability for those in power but we need to protect the privacy of the powerless but instead of that scale we have the opposite increased secrecy and impunity by those in power but an overall attack on the privacy and the basic human rights of those that are powerless and those scales need to be reversed that is of total importance all around the world in brazil as elsewhere and one last question so you talk a little about that but and thinking about the worst-case scenario regarding assigns and and the consequences how what would be the consequences of that and and so because of that why is so important for for political progressive forces even governments i i i saw you met agustapo petro in colombia and but other also lula will will take mandate in january why is important to fight back against this as you said horrible trend the case against juliana sergeants wickily's is a test case there's a test case of our resolve but it's also a test case by by the forces that we are fighting the evil forces on how far they can take it it will set up precedent on how how governments will deal with the media if they are if they are successful in the in the in extradited juliana sergeants and put him up on trial as a spy and lock him up for the you know for the rest of his life that will send a signal that they can go on the same road elsewhere anywhere in the world and it will put in jeopardy the safety of all journalists everywhere including in colombia where we just came from and including here in brazil where we're hoping to get manifested support from president elect lula and there's a realization a strong realization that that this is the case the danger is there there's a misconception that we are just fighting for julia julia's a friend of mine and certainly i would fight for him in any way but he is just the face of a of a of a huge problem it is it is about press freedom worldwide it's about human rights worldwide it's a part of our general pushback against the attack on decency and the core values that constitute this thin layer that that is our current civilization if we don't pushback we're gone well thank you very much sarapsan thanks for having me