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All right You already got his answer out out the gate Brother Daniel to see you brother Proverbs. What's going on my brother? You said not good with nothing I sure demonize means on we will find out We will find out No one believe God's word. Good to see you. Good to see you David. Good to see your brother You see sister Shireen, how you doing sister good to see you good to see you Let's see Miss Bobby good to see you ma'am. Let's see Miss. Josh Lynn. How are you? Of course the missus is in the place always You already know what up though. Come on, bro. What's good up though? All right. Let's get it Let's get it. Let's see who else who a sister Nick. What's going on sis? Good to see you as well Because someone send God's army God's army ministry my email that'd be great. I would appreciate it This stand by welcome. 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All right, so let's get this let's get this party started All right, so again Those of you who have who are just joining you can tag a friend Tag a friend tag a loved one We want to make sure people are able to join in on on this On this chat and in the live discussion and I almost forgot something It's I almost forgot some of them start doing this because I know people like sister sister Lynn She is not able because she's in Canada. She's in Canada or Canada And so those of you who are in Canada and you want to support you go ahead and use the super chat Those are in Canada, you know, they all say a right Yeah, so that's that's for my Canadian peeps for my Canadian peeps. Those of who are in Canada You want to support the ministry can your this use the Go use the super chat. All right. So anyway, let's go ahead and get into this Discussion can a Christian be demon possessed Can a Christian be demon possessed? There are some people who believe that a Christian can be demon possessed There's some people like Alex Pagani who says that he does not he does not teach that a Christian can be demon possessed But they can be demonized but then when you hear him when you hear him try to explain it It sounds like he does believe that a Christian can be Demon possessed and so again, I want to just present the information and Let you the viewer Decide based on what the scripture says not talking about experience We're talking about the exposition of scripture. What does the Bible have to say, okay? What is the Bible the bi? BLE what is the word of God? Has to say about this matter. Well, I believe the word of God is clear and so we want to look at a few scriptures, okay, just a few just a few first John chapter 4 and Verse 4 The Bible says you that is Believers Christians you are from God little children and have overcome them Why because greater is he who is in you? Then he who is in the world he who is in us is the Holy Spirit God the Spirit third person of the Trinity he resides he lives in Us, how do we know he lives in us because at the moment of salvation? We were sealed. We don't get unsealed We are sealed by the Holy Spirit Ephesians chapter 1 verse 13 Paul writes he says in him you also after listening to the message of the truth the gospel of your salvation having also believed You are sealed in him with the Holy Spirit of promise Who is given as a pledge of our inheritance with the view to the redemption of God's own possession to the praise of his glory? So Those are just a few foundational texts that we can we can Glean from and understanding that when a person is Say when a person when a sinner Has been converted when a sinner has been born from above At the moment of salvation and I'm talking about that at the exact moment of Salvation you and I have been sealed With the Holy Spirit Holy Spirit comes within us comes in us come to dwell within us forever We don't lose him. We're not under the old covenant where we have to pray like David in Psalm 51 Do not take your Holy Spirit from me because the Holy Spirit was not in dwelling Old Testament Saints They were empowered. Yes and well, no we have one exception We have Ezekiel Bible says Ezekiel said the end the Spirit entered me But we don't find In Old Test in Old Testament writings where the Holy Spirit would end well Believers as they do as he does in the New Testament under in the New Covenant So that means We have the Holy Spirit of God. Can we grieve him? Yes, we can we can grieve him The Bible says do not grieve the Holy Spirit. We can grieve him. He also convicts But what he does not do is depart from us The Bible says he would never leave us know what he forsake us when God saved us. He knew that we would sin But he chose to save our raggedy selves our raggedy behinds anyway, and ain't that good news? Is that what the gospel is about? He who knew no sin became sin for us That we may become the righteousness of God in him He knew that yesterday we were gonna sin in eternity past Because God is not constrained by time. He transcends time And so according to a sovereign good pleasure He chose to save you and I and if we're not excited about anything else We should be excited about our salvation because our salvation is the most important thing The most important relationship that you and I can ever have this world is going to pass away This world is gonna pass away the stuff that we've been holding on to and clamoring for and fighting and clawing and scratching for It's gonna burn up It will dissolve But our home which is fixed in the heavens eternally For us awaits our Arrival and we all should have a little bit of homesickness If we believe that no I have seen no have ear heard no hasn't entered into the Mind of man of things that God has prepared for those who love him. The question is do we love him today? I'm not just talking about just saying it do we love him by how we show our love John says if you love me, you will keep my commandments He also says that his commands God's commands are not burdensome. It's not hard We make it hard when we allow our flesh to dominate when we allow our flesh To get the W and our spirit our spirit man to take the L But now we have the power By the Holy Spirit of God who has saved us has sealed us and has promised to always keep us See a person does not lose their salvation once God saves them Anybody that says that they don't want to be saved anymore was never saved in the first place I would encourage you to turn to Christ right now though Because no one who is born of God practices sin either we do sin But we don't practice it as a pattern of life Because we have his sperm a his seed abides in us. We have his DNA We are now his children Colossians says that he has transferred us Colossians one He has transferred us from the domain of darkness into the dominion or the domain of his beloved son So we have we have a new master We have a new kingdom We have new eyes have a new way of thinking world views and the light Just wanted to say that just in case some people may have forgotten that The Christ is still in the saving and delivering business Instead of us worrying about demons all the time and focusing our attention preoccupied upon demons Let's focus on the true deliverance which comes through the shed blood of Jesus Christ To those who have turned from their sins by the power and might of the Holy Spirit You want to talk about deliverance all of us are examples of deliverance The deliverance ministry still exists if you're talking about The saving work and grace of God. It does not mean that God does not The goddess cannot deliver people from demonic possession and let alone oppression But the main thing he's the Christ came to do was to save us from our sins That was his purpose. That was his mission. That was his goal and it was accomplished On the cross when you said to tell us that it is finished And so we praise God for that now With that being said We want to talk about can a Christian be demon possessed If you have not watched the video from charisma doctor Michael Brown and Alice Pagani Had an interview had a conversation and I would say it was a conversation a matter of fact I was kind of hesitant. I was kind of hesitant to To watch it not because of not because of you know, Dr. Brown I have respect for Dolly Brown me and Dr. Brown have had him on my channel before Years ago looking forward to have him again very soon in the upcoming future, but That wasn't my concern my concern was just hearing the the debating switch and the moving of the goalposts by by Alex Pagani and and I don't think That I was wrong in that in that assessment But it was it was a fairly it was a fairly good Conversation, I will say that I can't I can't take much from it But but I did what I did do I have some clips I want to provide and share with you because I want to get your thoughts about it as well This is why I said this is gonna be a reaction video Of course, you won't hear my voice, but I'll try to populate your comments on the screen as well too But I want to lay out another foundational text because this I believe when I was watching the video when I was watching the interaction And when I was watching the dialogue between Dr. Brown and Alex Pagani this verse these this verse this passage Actually just two verses in particular Kind of kind of rung in my mind. It just you know, the Lord brought this verse to my mind and you'll see why I Had to recall this to memory When I was watching the video, it's in 1st Timothy chapter 5 verse 1 and 2 It says do not sharply rebuke an older man But rather appeal to him as a father. Do you see that? Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him Present active and prayer imperative. This is what we are to always do with to be in the mindset to to plead to To encourage to come alongside Paracolo is the Greek word and it just means to come alongside to aid to help Not to quote-unquote confront not to Bast and a blast or bastard person. No, no, no come alongside Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father to the younger to the younger men as brothers the older women as mothers and the younger women as sisters in all purity In all purity there's a there's a relationship that you and I are supposed to have with our Brothers and sisters in Christ from all age demographics the elderly were to treat with respect In fact, I want to look at this this verse description right here Leviticus chapter 19 verse 32 you shall rise up before the gray headed And honor the aged and you shall revere your God. I am the Lord in case you want to know who says who he says I am I'm the Lord who says this There was a time back in the day when you see an older person walking down the street You would you would give them, you know the right of way There was a time back in the day when if you were cussing you didn't cuss and use foul language in the presence of the elderly There was a time when an elderly person wanted a seat or needed a seat you would give up your seat Because of their age because they've been on this planet they've been on this terra firma longer than you and I have They're they're very long in the tooth They have some mileage on their odometer and just all of respect and Consideration and courtesy We should give these these elderly image bearers the respect That they deserve Not listen not not that you think no no They deserve it They deserve it saying yes, ma'am No, ma'am. Yes, sir. No, sir Showing respect to them Taking time to listen to them. They have they have experience beyond our years And so God says we're to we're to honor the gray head. We're to honor the elderly We're to as as the hip hop theologian bird man says put some respect Put some respect on their name Yes, and we should do not shop to rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father Paul writes in Titus 3 2 I mean Titus 2 2 older men are to be temperate dignified sensible sound and faith love and perseverance Older women likewise are to be revered in their behavior not malicious gossip nor slay too much wine Teaching what is good. Why so they may encourage the young women to love their husbands To love their children to be sensible pure work is at home kind being subject to their own husbands Why so that the word of God? Will not be dishonored Will not be dishonored You disrespect an older person in front of me you gonna have a problem I don't I don't care who you are you disrespect an elderly person in front of me on my watch You're gonna have a serious problem They don't deserve anything less than respect and Nothing But respect So there's a way that we're to disagree. There's a way that we can share and communicate our disagreement even with the elderly Even with the elderly why you bringing this versa? Why are you bringing them versus up? Brother, well, I'm gonna tell you in a minute Because when I was watching this interaction between Dr. Brown and and and Pagani matter of fact I Want you to tell me which segment so which parts you think? There was some little bit of a you know disrespect toward who And from who? All right, so There's an article that dr. Michael Brown had posted and I shared it on my page yesterday and The article is titled can a Christian have a demon can a Christian have a demon and he inbox me He sent me a DM yesterday and I thought I had read all of it I guess my screen I didn't scroll all the way down, but I stopped that I think number number Number eight or seven, but it says as the subject of deliverance and demons has come front and center in recent days I wanted to stay clearly what I do and do not believe in keeping with the views I've held for decades the simply I'm accused to help simplify the discussion I'll answer a series of common questions for those who don't believe in the spiritual realm at all This article would strike you as either exceedingly odd exceedingly irrelevant or exceedingly foolish if so I encourage you to check out CS Lewis's little book Screwtape letters. Yeah, I like that book too. So he does ask a series of questions and provides answers to it Can a Christian be doing possessed? He says certainly not a Christian in the true sense of the word not in the sense of a believer in name only Cannot be owned or fully under the control of the devil since Jesus owns that person and is their Lord If a person or if that person is possessed by Satan listen listen, this is dr. Brown You know the one that that Phil Johnson and Todd Freel says that he's he's dangerous and should be Avoided marked and avoided He says of that person It's possessed by Satan he or she is not owned by the Lord. What is he saying? You ain't saying that's what he's saying He says can a person be demonized? He said yes meaning that in a particular sense or a particular area of their lives They can allow themselves to come under the power of Satan note Also that many Greek scholars would argue that the Greek word the Amizami Should be translated to be demonized rather than to be demon possessed Three he says can a Christian have a demon? Obviously that depends on what you mean by having a demon and these words and these I'm I'm glad that dr. Brown you know is couching and he's trying to crap and You know cultivate these words carefully Because there's many things to be nuanced and so I gave him my you know my my answers to it But again, I didn't know Yet more answers of questions at the bottom. I think it's like 12 of them I believe but I'm not gonna try to read all of them But I just wanted you to see it I'll post the link of this article in the description below So that way you can review it and you can read it yourself But he goes on to ask these series of questions He says obviously that depends on what you mean by having a demon if you're asking if a demonic spirit can dwell within the born-again human spirit The answer is no If you're asking if a demonic spirit can enter into a stronghold in A believer's mind or attach itself to a believer's body the answer is yes So do you see you see it? Maybe you know, maybe there's a difference again depending on your understanding of demonology and your theology You may agree. You may you may disagree. He says number four do Christians ever need deliverance He says yes in some cases when they open the door to the devil and are unable to break free They might need deliverance by this I mean that they would need to receive ministry from another believer who would help break the power of the devil in their lives In such cases, we can order that spirit to leave in Jesus name Recognizing that the demon is somewhere in that person's life where that demon does not belong And this was one of the things I said, yeah, I mean We can intercede we can pray for a person. I just don't see in scripture where you know Christians are too Now if you want to use mark 16 and doctor doctor brown does use that There's some there's some debate whether or not the 16th chapter of mark Versus 9 to 20 are in the original manuscripts. You don't find them in the original manuscripts they were inserted by by scribes but That's another topic for another time. We don't get into contextual criticism right now, but nonetheless That verse or that passage is used by people who are charismatic of those who hold to you know casting God devils and You know, I may differ with that a little bit, but I'm glad that that dr. Brown, you know wrote this and he He basically gave his position on on this issue Notice what he says in verse and verse knows he says in point number 10. He says should deliverance be put on public display look at this Should deliverance be put on public display? You hear this Alex? His answer dr. Brown's answer is no it should not Meaning to the extent it is our decision deliverances should not be put on display So then can I ask and let me just let me just put my you know, let me just let me just put my Screen on for just a second. I'm just gonna ask this question. Hey, Alex Isaiah Greg Locke Question What's what's what's that movie come out in Jesus name about that just to me why are y'all recording quote-unquote these Demons being cast out just Just asking because I would agree with dr. Michael Brown in his position on some of these points and one of these points I definitely Hold to and that's number 10 should deliverance ministries or should deliverance be put on public display. He says no Nope Meaning to the extent it is our decision deliverances should not be put on display Which is why Jesus silence the demons professing that he was the son of God And even though there are instances in the New Testament where demons screamed when they left people or caused their victims bodies to convulse or collapse There are here it is. There are no examples Protracted deliverances which became spectacles in fact and they linked the account in mark 9 14 to 29 when Jesus saw a crowd ran to watch what was happening. He immediately drove the spirit out Those who engage in mass evangelism meetings where people under demonic power suddenly begin to act wildly Have their teams ready to remove such people from the crowds immediately They do not want demonic activity to be a distraction and under demonic power are brought to a separate private area to receive ministry now again You wonder why You wonder why Pagani was kind of tight. Yeah, that's why That's why Which does precipitated the conversation and so let's get into this conversation I provided some clips and I'll share them with you and then I'll provide some commentary Near in between you wrote something that I feel Was friendly fire now you don't think that it was friendly fire But your post as concerning the ministry of deliverance Literally if I could just use an analogy shot us in the foot Being that you had just recently had passed a greg lock on your channel And you was promoting the movie that was going to be shared Which became number four at the box office concerning the ministry of deliverance And then you shared a post that I personally felt and all of us now the demon slayers They're not gonna say anything for their high level of respect But I felt that I that I needed to at least say something because it caused confusion Dr. Brown Our inboxes were flooded with people not with people looking to pose us against you But confusion we are confused. I thought he was for deliverance You know, so I tried my best to share my post and I believe that I honored you as much as I could I don't think I dishonored you in any poll in any point I took the post down not because I felt to take it down I took it down because I received an indirect message from you through my friends that the tech said They would be probably better for Pagani to take the post down Because it wasn't a good look so I took the post down And it just threw me under the bus as if you know when you when you post something and then you take it Now it makes it look like you were wrong and posting it I wasn't wrong in posting it because I honored you sir But the fact that I had gotten that message from your camp to tell me to take it down because it just wouldn't be a good look for me I took it down and then that caused another ripple effect. I thought that I honored you, sir Can you share your thoughts on that because then you posted another response? And it kind of threw us under the bus again because we weren't fighting with you, sir We were not fighting with you, sir I believe that if you say it publicly you can be held accountable publicly because those are the rules of social media wasn't dishonor It was a fair assessment that what you said Wasn't what we're preaching Now I would have to agree with Pagani near the end when he said If you say it publicly then it can be responded, you know to publicly, of course, you know, I know I know my position on that but The funny thing also about this was, you know, he took his post down But people had already seen it. I mean he he basically was well, I don't know if everybody else saw it So I want to speak too far ahead But for those of you who did see it, I think you know what I'm what I'm talking about Which caused this whole interview on charisma on charisma's YouTube channel to To precipitate so, you know, this was a this was a very interesting Dialogue and this and discussion but there was some there was some some some There was some gotcha moments. I believe in the in the conversation as well, too And and you you'll see you'll see what I'm talking about. Check it out Can you share and defend yourself as your position into the whole sure? Absolutely. Yeah, I I've taught on Spiritual warfare angels demons and deliverance since the 80s having gotten saved in 1971 It's not something that God's called be the major on But certainly I've said through the years that we should be seeing more evidence of Christians being set free or Demons being cast out of non-believers, etc. That we should be seeing more evidence of this based on scripture So when Pastor Locke asked me if he could come on the show to talk about the movie I said well, I can't promote it or criticize it because I haven't seen it Right, but as long as I can ask you the challenging questions by all means come on and talk about it And basically the answers that he gave they agree with my theology. So, you know, I was satisfied with that Some people wrote me afterwards. Well, that's not how it is in practice, etc So I'm just going I don't know past a lot well, but I'm going on what what his answers publicly were That's what we did on the interview and I told people check out the movie for yourself So the day that the movie came out and I and I was just thinking to myself, you know There's people are now dividing over this and there's misunderstanding So I'm just gonna put out something generic that I feel would that that that will all be able to say amen to Okay, that was my intent in putting it out wasn't wasn't to be divisive It was quite the contrary to try as an elder and a father to try to say something in general That would be helpful that everyone could say, okay, let's just agree on these things and then we can have nuances Where we differ that's fine and that that's always going to be the case You don't mean different people who believe in deliverance today and anyway, it was subsequent I didn't know who you are and no no offense there, but I didn't know who you were Okay, and I knew your your books have sold well and you you know you oversee churches, etc But all I know is it post you were as gracious as you could be on the one hand But you're also basically lecturing me telling me that that I really needed to You you know the exact word use but almost like humble myself and be open to learn from the word again And I just thought I don't know you but it's not a good look I did post directly there directly to you in case you happen to see it I don't see most comments in my social media and then Isaiah Salivar and I were interacting and I said, hey, I don't know who this guy is But it doesn't look good from my concern. It's not me. I'm good and I I Get just like you lied about attacked maligned all the time it comes with the territory We're where public figures and and the gospel is always gonna bring reproach and we're always gonna be misunderstood So that wasn't my issue right was totally unconcerned about me, but I felt that for people that know me when they see you kind of Lecturing me or even trying to be you know respectful that it didn't look good for you So I just and from what I understood Isaiah read in terms of things public So I think he went to you directly when I found out you guys were friends Yeah, but my concern was never me because I'm I'm good. I'm fine Right My concern was for those who know me and see this they'll wonder who is this guy kind of you know lecturing and just in General if I'm gonna deal with an elder, you know someone in the Lord before me or with more experience Whatever it is if I'm gonna deal with them publicly. I'll do it in the most a way even different My my appeal would would take on a little different tone So you hear what dr. Brown basically had you know have responded and said to to Alex Pagani How he came at him? as an as an elder I'm just gonna put it in our terminology. It was out of pocket and he said it could have been handled He believed it could have been handled and addressed differently, what do y'all think about that in the comments and in the chat Do you think if you read Pagani's? Post prior to him taking it down. Do you believe that he that he approached? Dr. Michael Brown will respect or do you believe that he came in came in hot and tried to and tried to Check and tried to son Dr. Brown now interestingly in this conversation, you're gonna hear you're gonna hear Pagani's reason or reasons why he felt that he had the the right or the I guess you can say the authority to To approach dr. Brown in the way that he did but he's going to continue on and and give his understanding and explanation regarding Public Rebuke for public statements and then in any case I love the fact that we can talk about this publicly Yes, because yeah, we are brothers in the Lord and if we and if we either have a difference or misunderstanding Communication is the way that to flesh it out. Well, I'm I'm gonna respectfully Understand what you're saying, but I'm gonna respectfully disagree to some degree because I took my post down But you did not take your post down So it made it appear that I was wrong and you was right That's neither here nor there but the rules of social media, sir Are is if you do say it publicly, yeah, we're not held to this honor factor You said it and it has to be held accountable because if we're blasting people that you have to be held Accountable for the things you say it goes across the board. I felt I felt that I out of all the groups I've been saved 30 years, you know, I'm about to be 50, you know I was even told and just to be honest with you We could just have honest dialogue so that way the body of Christ can see we're just talking and we having that you didn't know My age and I said you need to tell dr. Brown that because I understood the way that you explained it now made It seem like I was young. I mean I'm about to be 50 you're saying so I'm like I took it as in the group I was the elder that I can say something in Defense of and I made sure that I said this is not a demon slayers or Ministry of deliverance anti dr. Brown and back and forth. This is I think that in the group because It's based on The movie the movie is about us the demon slayers They're not gonna say nothing out of respect because of age I could say something about a respect for age or at least try to say something so when I said it it wasn't You know, it wasn't for the sake of you know of as we would say in social media world, you know Clap back or whatever. I was genuinely trying to say hey like you have no idea What you've caused be and I say it again dr. Brown You have no idea why you were being generic the body of Christ was not So What do y'all think about how Pagani came at dr. Brown? When I when I saw this the first thing that I'm like, bro, you know even 50 You tell me he's almost 50, bro, but you're not even if you were Dr. Brown is in his 70s. I believe he's 70 at least 70 years old 72 give a take Bro, he got you by at least 22 years. What are you talking about? And why would he why would why would Dr. Brown listen to you I Mean why why would he want to listen to you when you're all over the place? This is the same Pagani ladies and gentlemen that was on Jesse Lee Peterson's show and Jesse Lee Peterson gave him those that that what does he call that that a hot round whether you know when he hasn't answered questions true or false or whatever and he asked He asked Pagani a question regarding abortion and Pagani refused to answer the question So why would why would Dr. Brown if he were afforded the opportunity to be on Jesse Lee Peterson's, you know show He he would answer the question straight up and down Yeah, it's wrong abortion murdering but murdering babies of any of any ethnic ethnicity is is wrong Black babies in particular because I was one of the questions that just leave Peterson had asked Pagani and he didn't even want to he didn't even want to answer the question. He said No answer no response some foolish crap like that but anyway Yeah, thank thank thank you miss Monica Yeah, it's called the hot seat. That's it. Yeah, he didn't answer the question. He refused to answer the question So why would he listen to you? I mean, come on stop it. Yes us But he's a he's a court-on-court apostle. Okay. All right, but let me let me continue on because again he he was He thought he was old enough He thought he was old enough to confront dr. Michael Brown Well, I guess you are if your playground is full of kindergartners. I Mean south of all these guys are old enough to be my dependence So, yeah, if you're the if you're the elder there, that's in that circle. That's not over here with dr. Brown is is moving that So that's what that pride kicks in he assumed that he can check this man and he couldn't and Yeah, dr. Dr. Brown Later on he basically He basically sunded him in this clip first. I had no idea there was code demon slayers group I didn't know that you knew Isaiah or Vlad or Vlad knew Mike or Mike knew Greg didn't know any of that, okay? I did get a trailer from from pastor lock to watch. I was away and had limited internet So I watched when I was able then I found out some of you guys were connected and then Isaiah told me But my policy is whenever possible to reach out privately, right? So since you knew people that knew me the biblical thing to do is rather than create a Further firestorm right is to reach out privately and and if that doesn't work You have no access to the person which is sometimes the case or unless it was you know Like someone publicly calling for violence and when you just have to speak out that the better way and To me the more mature way right is you reach out privately if you're unable unless like I said It's a life-threatening or an urgent thing we have to speak then if you're unable to reach the person then you post Publicly but either way, I'm almost 70 and and I was saved 20 years before you were born again, right? So we you know we could pull the elder thing But my policy if I'm dealing with a brother, that's 80. Okay, even though I'm almost 70 I'm still gonna I'm not gonna lecture them in terms of what they're missing or spiritual ignorance or where they need to grow I would approach it differently and in humility. I would say that look I'm born in New York City. So I love the New York personality to But with all respect, I would just say there was a better way to do it And if in fact I created a certain firestorm Wonderful now it's gonna bring a lot of stuff to the surface so we could have discussion I didn't mention anybody by name I just made generic statements that I felt would be helpful and the overwhelming social media response We got was wow, this is so helpful. This is this is good And then I immediately wrote an article afterwards which I posted all the platforms to talk about Yes, deliverance is important and the devil wants us to divide over it So whatever our views, let's not give him an inch So I was doing my best to cover and right my if you decided not to take the post down again My concern was not me I was I was only concerned for those who know me and don't know you that it wasn't a good look for you And I'd still say there's a way to reword a few things that that could have been better But if you left it out, I'd still have the conversation today. It doesn't affect anything I'm in this position sir because it's not a good look for you for this present generation in which we are leading as well This also further contribute. We're both saying the same thing on both sides. So I'm worrying about I want to make sure that this generation doesn't go against you because now you're Anti-deliverance and I'm like, oh, no, that's not what he's that's not what he's saying So while you're worrying about me, I'm worrying about you That's the only reason why why I did it the second thing, you know, and I'm glad that we're having this conversation an honest an honest conversation Yeah, yes, you know, I'm just gonna be very honest with you I don't think Matthew 18 applies here because I'm not offended The Bible says if you are offended then you go to your brother personally. I wasn't offended, sir I was following the rules of social media. You said it publicly Oh, let me correct this before it becomes something on our side not with us as Demon slayers. That's just a term of endearment that we call each other You know, I wanted to make sure that you wasn't going to lose This generation because myself Isaiah all of us are even our inboxes were flooded with I thought he was down with you guys What is going on and I'm like whoa and they were going into why I'm gonna cut him off There's no cutting off here. So in regards to the dividing over Yes, that that technically was happening But as far as me feeling like I had to that part I said, well, I wasn't I wasn't offended But I but in all fairness to my defense, I did reach out through Isaiah. You can ask him I said Isaiah reach out. I said reach out. I said reach out so that's how that dialogue kind of started because I said he's your friend and We need to do something because it's coming. So all I said to him was ask Dr. Brown. Did he see the movie? Because if you saw the movie then I was we were waiting for your statement After the movie, that's what we were waiting for but when we found out you didn't see it at least at that time Then I was like, then why are you talk? Why are you making a statement if you haven't seen it, sir? Yeah Y'all are killing me in the comments y'all are killing me in the comments. So what so what do you think about what Pagani said? I To be fair, I do believe again if it's public then you have that right courtesy, you know, it could be a issue a matter of courtesy if you want to reach out to the person You have that person number is not required. It's not obligated but also at the same time The principles of Matthew 18 What do you do if they don't listen to you on social media? I mean, what you mean take it to the church if it's not if it's not a sin Then how do you how do you apply Matthew 18 on on on social media? We can we can pull the principles out Again, if you want to reach out to a person if you have that person's number and you believe that a maybe we need to Have a conversation about this on the side depending on the situation, you know But if it's public, yes fair game and also Dr. Brown makes that clear and he agrees also about that as well As you'll hear in the in the next clip. So so here's where I can be of real help to you Yeah, yeah, I didn't think it was a Matthew 18 issue. I hadn't sinned against you. That was not the issue But there there's biblical wisdom that that pursues unity, which is who cares about social media rules Okay, who made those right? So I'm still gonna pursue In a wise way because the body can be very immature. I post was not about the movie That's the whole thing and why why is it okay? A movie comes out that involves some of you that's that's gotten some good viewership great But deliverance has been here long before you and me and be here long after us Right, so the idea that if I feel hey, there's gonna be a lot of discussion about this And I pray and I feel this is a good wise thing to put out Okay, I'm gonna do it my I'm not thinking well. I got people on this side. They disagree here They think that that these demon slayer guys are heretics I got people over here that think the others are backslidden side. I'm not calculating that I'm going before the Lord and asking the Lord, okay Well, what would be a good thing to say feeling right this this is a good thing to say and and hey if it ends up Differing with you or the movie. Okay, so be it. That's fine That's right And then the thing would be that I would do is say hey Why don't one of you guys come on my show and let's have an honest discussion See where we agree and see where we differ and by the way, I'm totally happy to do that You're invited by all means to join me on the radio and and we'll go through specifically where we agree Where we don't agree where you think I'm in error or you're in error or where we are in harmony, etc I mean you gotta you gotta give you gotta give dr. Brown his flowers, man I mean I was I was watching this. I was like man, you know, the brother, you know, he He he was being disrespected on the low and And but nonetheless, dr. Brown is holding something the man the man been in this thing for a minute So he's no he's no neophyte. He ain't no newbie out here in these social media streets So, you know big ups to to dr. Brown on that, but yeah, so but anyway, he What interesting say he said yeah social media is not the standard and I agree social media is not the standards But we do see the principle as well when it comes to just responding to to certain issues I believe there's some balance in there But I but I appreciate the dialogue and the conversation that these men are having Because it does show us that it can happen and later in the conversation. You'll see Dr. Brown's appeal as well, but let's keep it moving. Let's say that you didn't think it was appropriate Necessary to reach out to me privately first. I so I in general I agree with the concept if you say something publicly It can be dealt with publicly. Absolutely. Of course that happens all the time and your average pastor is not gonna have access There's somebody on on national TV. They make a statement You're not gonna have access to that person that comes Sunday morning. You're exactly church is wondering about it You address it all good on that. Yeah, it's just because you you knew people that knew me That's why I say you could have come privately first But let's just say that you say hey, this is creating a firestorm. I don't want Dr. Brown to be rejected by my people the the personal appeal to me in a way that seemed condescending and that you knew better Was was unhelpful and in other words that did not help your people look at me a certain way There there is a way to make an appeal where you can do that differently in other words If my goal was was to cover For people not to reject Alexander Pagani, right? Right, right, but I'm saying you posted something and now I realize while people are rejecting this brother and Misunderstanding him or whatever. I just say hey first we can have differences. It's okay Second, you know, no names were mentioned. This is generic and with respect Once you go over that site and explain where you agree or differ or let's ask for clarity on these positions And are you differing with things in movie? Have you seen the movie rather than come and tell me? Hey, you better read you you better restudy this brother, you know, that's it's pretty much what I got It's like hey, I I restudy things constantly. I have for decades before the Lord and Constantly interacting listen, but I didn't think it was your place to say it in that way Just like I wouldn't in similar situations, but there's no personal offense. No There was no personal offense either way the Ministry of Deliverance is not the same as spiritual warfare And I'm just gonna say this when we say the Ministry of Deliverance We're talking about a Christian can have a demon Flat out and I believe that we've been screaming from the mountain tops Telling everyone who has chosen to misunderstand us for whatever reason. We're not saying a Christian can be possessed We're not saying that the born-again spirit can have a demon living within there What we're saying is Ephesians chapter 3 Ephesians chapter 4 where it says neither give place to the devil in an area That's unsubmitted. We personally believe that a demon can occupy in that area Without controlling the whole house. I think that people keep misunderstanding on purpose because they've just chosen to say that But I agree with everything you said I agree with that. Your post did not say that sir Your post say a Christian a demon cannot live inside a born-again believer Born-in-the-spirit is what I meant, right? So so it was I thought I worded it clearly enough. That's why Someone had to do not was asked. Yeah, also one had to do. Well, do you have the post in front of you? No, I don't have it in front of me. I don't have it either. Okay So notice I'm populating David's comic because he's he's definitely on point Pagani wants to be confusing on purpose He literally just said a Christian can't have a demon exactly and remember I said that earlier Remember I said that earlier. He'll say one minute something and then then he'll go to a different different point Refuting what he just said and if you're not listening. Yeah Yeah, he does that's exactly what he does that that is exactly what he does They misunderstand and they only do that misunderstanding and misapplied and misinterpreted That's exactly what they do man. It's it's it's a trip So, um, yeah Yeah, this yes disrespect with the word man. Yeah, I know That's that's that's your boy Yes, he did Pagani said a Christian can have a demon and then say they can't that's my point y'all That's why I said it's Pagani bipolar. I mean, is he did what which personality are we dealing with here? because I'm confused Uh, yes, he is definitely he's tried he tried to be slick with it And that's why that's why when he said stuff, I read down him I read down him And uh, and as he continues talking he still doesn't get the point check this out But yeah, so I I agree right that in some way a believer can be demonized And some aspect of their life behind the demonic power be it physically emotionally, etc And if this person has really sought to repent and get free or and the breakthrough still doesn't come Or god gives us discernment then they could need deliverance But that a demon cannot dwell in the spirit of a born again believer or possess That person in the sense of totally controlling them. So we actually agree. So all all that was needed was hey, dr Brown, could you clarify? There it is sir, there it is That was not what was at least maybe the verbiage Of what was shared in the post Made it appear because you didn't say in the born again spirit You just said cannot dwell inside a believer and we're like, whoa, what's going on here? You just said On top outside influence. So then I said, whoa, what is what is going on here because that's not what we're talking about here And therefore it led to where we at. This is so refreshing to hear you and it's not that we're trying to You know try to get you on our side or anything You just wanted clarity. That's all we wanted was clarity because That's what we've been saying is what often doesn't happen my brother And by the way, even if I didn't agree with what you said, even if I had a different position Okay, so we understand that right? We don't divide over you might think hey It's important very important But the funny thing is that in most cases you never get to this point Where you sit down and talk together and say, okay Well, what do you actually believe or oh we agree or we disagree and let's let's pray for each other now Or or you pray for me where you think I'm missing it Let me pray for you where I think you're missing it and we both say lord all we want is your truth So I I think the big earth question Is in terms of how this works out. Oh, so let me just say this If I if I posted anything that could have been more accurate or careful That in any way caused you or friends of yours any any grief or consternation I certainly apologize because that was never my intent and if I'm going to go after something I'll go after it right don't I'm saying I will I will try to reach out and and if that doesn't succeed I will publicly say here's where I differ I get flack for that day and night But my intent was not to divide or cause you or your friends grief So if if that happened if I could have worded things more carefully to avoid that I apologize If upon rereading it It is there just wasn't worded the same way either way. There was never my intent, but for everybody else watching Why can't local pastors different brothers and sisters and different churches do what happened here? We we were both surprised by different things both offended not offended but grieved in different ways both concerned For one another to be received in a positive way Right And and uh, you know, you thought it was a bad look for me. I thought it was a bad look for you You weren't worried about you. I wasn't worried about me. Praise god. We were concerned about each other And then we have this conversation and in the end if it's like no, I don't agree with you Okay, we understand that right let's move forward or we do agree great But most of the time we never get to this point and have this conversation, which is crazy So two things number one I agree with dr. Brown and said that, you know, I wish more conversations could occur Uh within the body christ and even those outside, you know that we consider to be, you know heretics and Things of that nature, right because then that way people can hear in real time these discussions take place But unfortunately, but ghani and these guys don't want to do that They don't want to do that. I mean they'll they'll they'll do it amongst themselves But they they refused to have a conversation and and believe me I've reached out I've reached out. I mean he he inboxed me or emailed me and He emailed me and asked if I could change his thumbnail to the one that I have on the Changed his image on the thumbnail to the one that I have now. So I did Just out of courtesy. I said no, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do my solid I'm gonna do it and uh and hopefully, you know, hopefully if he stops ducking Then maybe, you know, maybe we can have a conversation about some of the things he has said and and later on I'm going to remind you Uh alex about some of those things. Secondly, I do not believe I don't believe that he got it. I don't I don't believe that he understands what dr Brown had said matter of fact That's why I read some of the some of the points in dr. Brown's article because dr. Brown does not really agree with him I mean the the semantics and the words that are being used Um Pagani is acting like as though. Yeah, they're just did this all on the same page. No, they're not No, they're not because Pagani said that a christian Can't be demon possessed But then he later said in that same in the same breath That a christian can have a demon in them and that's why he confronted dr. Brown and said, you know All you say was a christian a christian, you know, can't be demon possessed They can't have a demon in them Right. They can't Not in them Can it be oppressed by one? Can it be influenced by one? Of course But it haven't indwelled them. No Absolutely not but I just He doesn't get it. You just don't get it. Do you you don't So let's let's go to the next clip as someone who's still got new york blood Always in a hurry always pushing an aggressive, right? Yes Many people Do misunderstand new york communication, right, which is just being friendly and forthright, but Hopefully the fact that we with total candor, so I think you're wrong here I think you're wrong here Etc that we could do this and be smiling and feel closer at the end in its beginning Why can't every why can't others do it even critics and those Can we sit down the same room at least share your testimony of how you came to faith? If you're if your brother or sister at least let's start there You know, we divide politically and we won't even talk to each other It's like well, how about we start as brothers and sisters start there Let's at discuss everything we have in common And sit and rejoice and now let's discuss the areas where we have differences And maybe we can sharpen each other and learn from each other for those of you that are watching This has been absolutely an astounding an amazing learning moment Both for the deliverance community both of those elders that have been in the faith long before us This is a great opportunity of showing the bite of christ where two different personalities coming from the same city So it kind of helped that while others are watching saying man, why he's so fast why he's so hard This is how new yorkers talk. This is our calm like this is our calm and he knows this He's not offended. You know, sometimes my wife is like, why are you yelling? And i'm like, i'm not yelling. This is this is me being called but you want me to yell? Hi, yeah, you know, this is just how we are in new yorkers I didn't I didn't know you at all and isaias spoke very highly of you And and wanted me to know about your experience and that you weren't some some 20 year old kid, etc So as much as I said, hey You know, I'm almost 70 you just turned 50 etc. We're brothers. We're brothers in jesus. I didn't take it wrong I didn't right where and I was just kind of a spiritual protocol thing, etc But we're brothers in the lord and even in the post you could not have been Yes More clear in your honor and esteem for me So I probably didn't get the new yorker part in the other tone But again, that that's why we have to communicate brothers and sisters Please communicate because remember this whatever you believe about deliverance We know that satan wants to divide his people and he does not want us talking to each other He wants us talking past each other and attacking each other So give no place to the devil and our relationships if we end up differing It's not the end of the world Maybe i'm wrong. Maybe someone else is wrong. We keep growing. We keep honoring the lord But let's not give the devil a foothold when it's so obvious That he wants to divide over the subject of deliverance. He wants us to do that and throw stones at each other Let's throw all our stones at the devil not each other Man, I have to give I have to give dr. Brown the air horn on that And and that should carry across the other side of the aisle to us as well too because again Um, we we can basically snipe at a lot of people. I mean Exactly dear exactly Exactly But I I do want I do want to ask this question though. I do want to ask this question How many new yorkers is in the house? I know my sister. I know my little sister right here. So it's from new york I know uh Proverbs is from the from the bx Who else is from who else is from new york? Who else is from new york? If you're from new york, I just want to see your I just want to see you see it for one or you know Put up your put up your name Um because Something that Pagani said It did resonate with me You are okay. Okay. Okay. Okay Uh leak media you're from chicago. Okay. Nope. That's that's not quite new york. It's it's kind of close. But anyway, uh Debbie, uh, mcgee. Okay bx. All right. All right. All right You are gentile according to the new Okay, that's right. Miss bobby. You're from the you're from new york. Okay, so here Okay, oh Harlem world. Okay. All right. So here's the here's the question. I'm asking reason why this, uh Dmq was going on man. Good to see you. All right you for me and why too Here's here's the question. I want to ask you all because What Pagani said resonated with me in in the context of his personality Okay, not not being not being Uh disrespectful toward people intentionally not not that not that but I but I do I do um Somewhat feel him on the on the uh on the culture joint Because as you know, I'm from I'm from detroit What up though, right? Um and so my culture and my My personality I know for a fact Does not mesh with everyone. I oh that's land That's land. Um, I know my I know my personality doesn't mesh with everyone, right? So Some people I'm going to vibe with I mainly well, I try to vibe with anybody but it's something about new york people It's just something it's something about it's something about new york is something about You know people from the shy. It's it's something about the east coast Because one of the one of the things like for me I could I could be on the phone with somebody And both of us are talking loud But we're not angry I don't know if anybody I don't know if anybody understands what I'm talking about. That's that's Are you from wednesday? That's right. Okay. Okay. Um I'm I'm I'm just you know I'm I'm I'm loud when I when I'm when I'm talking I get hype You know I'm saying I mean I just and I'm not angry I'm not angry at all So some people Yeah, yeah, I got you sis. I got you. I got you. I got you. Um But but I'm still saying that that that that new york that new york That new york attitude that new york vibe that new york culture Is still something that that resonates with me because far too many people will try to act as though You know, you have to be a certain way and and that just listen that this That just grinds my gear y'all if you if you want to see me Uh feel some kind of way try to change who god made me I have you can have a problem you you you're gonna have a problem. You are going to have a problem But I'm I don't I don't support rudeness, right? So I I agree with your necks. It's 100% Being arrogant, there's there's no place for that in any in any belief. That's pride. That's sin We don't we don't endorse sin, but I think there's also a difference between being cocky and being confident See cockiness relies on the flesh Confidence relies on the spirit that god has used you and I to To communicate or to serve or to minister to people and you can you can sometimes tell the difference I mean, you don't know the person's heart. We're not the fourth member of trinity. I got that But there's a difference people would call me cocky and arrogant and I'm like, I'm not cocky and arrogant I'm not gonna be ignorant and play dumb because you don't want to You know understand something or you always want people to bring the cookies down for the top shelf for you Or because you're slower than cold syrup. So I gotta ask slope for you. No Step your game up So I believe there's a there's a difference uh with that but but for some reason that that just resonated with me I don't maybe I'm by myself. I don't know but I could I could feel I could feel pegani on that just a little bit just a little bit And that's why that's why I had captured that clip um, because You know, I just I just know dudes man. We can we can talk and I mean You know, I ask ask my wife man Ask my wife if I if I'm if I'm talking to some people man, I mean we can be loud And it's just how we are, you know, I'm saying we just we just like that I mean, I know I know, you know, certain cultures and certain environments I know how to comport myself recording. I got that but if I'm with my if I'm with my partners I'm with some of my friends is man Trust me. Trust me Trust me. Yeah. Yeah, Kino. Yeah. Yes, sir. And see you and I we we we kind of resonate exactly And you from the and you and you for the from New Orleans you heard Nick I know you loud ma Yeah, yeah, nick is definitely loud. Nick. Nick is nick is dog on uh, uh Air horn loud nick is bullhorn loud, but it's all love though So, um, let me let me play let me play The last the last clip that's one of the y'all to hear my heart Uh on on that sunny family. Good to see you say we like you like a brother. Okay. I appreciate it. Thank you. Um But yeah, so I want to play this I want to play this last one And um, and then somewhat Kind of like let's have a little bit of memory class. All right because sometimes folk in uh folk can act uh Like to have selective amnesia. Let me also say this that yes, maybe the new york part of me Because I love this ministry of deliverance so much and it has helped uh thousands might have uh gotten the better of me that day And even when I was trying to honor Maybe it did come across as new york condescending because I get it one of the major issues And you know this as a new yorker One of our major issues is that we don't know how to talk like we don't know how to talk You know, we talk and it becomes something, you know, uh, even when it's not what we meant. So I do humbly apologize that um That maybe um, I myself could have pressed more isa to get the conversation Uh behind the scenes rather than a text. I literally just said reach out to him You know, and it didn't go further than the text, you know, because I I understood it as well I'm not offended, you know, and we have to clean this up because it's still out there But I did delete it. Uh, not going to repulse it. No need to I believe this conversation Um was enough, you know, it gets very frustrating dr. Brown that myself and the rest of us that we we do post after post I've written books. My whole book is about balance deliverance and not over blaming the devil and that everything is not a demon I promote that sometimes you need to go to the doctor do that all the time. I believe in medicine at times I believe also in prayer and I also believe in counseling It gets very frustrating that when we get pigeonholed and blacklisted as the Old demon conscious group. We are not demon conscious. We don't we don't look for the demon under every rock If anything We look for the rock of ages not a demon under every rock It gets very frustrating dr. Brown that people are committed They've made it their business to misunderstand us even though we've been screaming from the mountaintops If anything myself and isaiah, we feel an assignment to clean up The ministry of deliverance and it gets very frustrating that while we're sweeping and cleaning up the ministry of deliverance You get discernment ministries and others and denominationalism Throwing dirt back on the floor that we just finished cleaning up. So No, no, no, that's not true. Pagani Uh, we're not we're not messing up anything if if what we're doing is basically calling out your stuff I mean, I'll just go ahead and say it and you're not a victim, sir You're not a victim. You're not a victim all all people like me and others are doing Are holding your feet to the fire Make you stand on what you are saying You said it remember you said it you said it so therefore you're responsible for what you're saying You put it out there we can respond to it and again They don't want to come up with individuals like like me and others to have a conversation because They don't want to be challenged. They don't want to be corrected They'll rather they'll rather act as though they're being attacked and they're not being attacked All we're doing is holding your feet to the fire holding your account of what you're saying And if it's heretical, we're gonna call it that if you're if you're saying anything that the bible does not say Then we're gonna call it out. You said it publicly then we can respond publicly, right? That's the rules of social media, right? Okay, then So stop the whining but anyway, lastly I want I want to play Uh, a series of clips some of you may not have seen these Others may have if you have been on this channel when I have done other response videos of uh, of Alex Pagani I'm gonna play a series of videos back to back to back in succession Okay, and then I come back on the end and then offer my final commentary and and go from there But maybe Pagani forgot some of these things that he said just moments ago. Maybe recently Let me emphatically say here for like the millionth time A christian cannot be demon possessed Those of you that are watching me say it with me a christian cannot be demon possessed Now, why am I saying that with a little bit of snarky Sarcasm, it's because we have been saying this from day one. So how do you remove it? Submit yourself to god resist the devil and he will flee that is preventative Protection but what do you do? When that has been not carried out and the person be has a demon ministry of deliverance You remove that word wrath does not mean a demon. It means anger Paul said neither give place To the devil So when a christian Violates Ephesians chapter 4 Not letting the sun go down on your wrath that word wrath does not mean a demon. It means anger The the works of the flesh But when the work of the flesh is not contained and crucified through the work of the holy spirit within us Then a stronghold Becomes a strong man So it started off as the work of the Flesh in wrath now could be a demon of wrath Controlling the individual. All right. So that's what we what we're saying is a christian is not possessed as an owned by Um a demon. No, we're owned number one We're bought with the price number two We have the precious holy spirit of promise, which is the earnest expectation of our blessed hope Living on the inside. We are sealed with the holy spirit of promise It's impossible for christian to be owned by the devil But can a christian possess a devil not demon possession Can a christian possess a devil as in having a demon? Obviously yes And need not I say more of the various stories of pastors and ministers and leaders all over the country That have successful ministries Yet Are struggling with alcohol struggling with anger their marriages on the rocks. Obviously a lot of it is the work of the flesh failure of counseling Mental illness we're not discounting that but in that moment where it is a demon So are these men of women of god possessed? By a demon absolutely not but do these men and women of god possess a demon Feasons for yes An example is let me give you an analogy every house Has a spider. So let me ask you this question. Is your house spider possessed? Obviously not, but does your house? Possess a spider Obviously, did you catch it? Well, did y'all catch it? Did y'all catch it? He Pagani wants to know that y'all catch it. Monique didn't catch it y'all Monique didn't catch it And and yeah, that's all I'm gonna say too. What an itsy-bitsy spider is going on Oh, man No, I didn't catch it I I keep even catching with with I couldn't even catch with catchers McLoves. Sorry Anybody wouldn't even sense didn't catch it either But hey Yeah, I'm I'm listen. I just wanted to make your yours to quam Steve is that one of these debated zones? No, you you you wondered right it makes you wonder Yeah, I know you I know my wife. She says she she she didn't catch it either. Listen Listen, you don't you this dude mess around and drive us to drinking What did you say Shawn the wedding to Charlotte's where? Oh, man, so proverbs you said so they can be possessed but we can't possess the demon That's gangster. Y'all don't get it because y'all don't have the phony spirit Y'all don't have the phony spirit. That's what it is Man, yeah pray for my sister's headache Yeah, pray for your heart headache to be brought to not but if Pagani was really here He might want to lay hands on you through the tv screen man Uh All right, y'all that that's all I got. I just wanted to share the video with y'all. I just wanted to share that I just wanted to give my reaction I just wanted to give my reaction and uh and and and hear your reaction or see your reaction That's it That's that was it. I mean I have I have nothing. That's it. Do y'all want more Do y'all want more of this punishment? I don't think we do do we I mean I'm not in it. I'm not into the abuse business I'm not into the abuse business You're wrong for that problem and speaking of david moral Speaking of david no moral and I know he's watching Um, he challenged me He challenged me to cam up on his on his on his channel and um Interestingly and I and I say that and I say that with air quotes With air quotes um He wants me to go on his channel and I tell my going to channel if we're only gonna be discussing Eileen gray john macArthur Han Cho And wendy gray. That's it That's it now But you're gonna come on my channel first because I wanted that extended invitation He had remember when I read the emails last week, right? He declined. I said, okay. Tell you that's it. Tell you what? Since you're afraid I come on your channel And uh, and I don't have no problem doing that But if he but since he's popping off hard on twitter I said well, then if you are if you are bad then bro, let's come come on come on my channel Nobody's gonna buy you listen. Um Miss miss furlough You mean tell me she's more man than y'all To come up with another man her being a woman She she got more she got more manhood than y'all do I mean come on now. Let's let's let's let's Let's go ahead and handle this if you want to handle it But come over here And I definitely I definitely come over there, but it's still it's still going to be the same format You're gonna have to answer these questions He wants me to read his article. That's something for me to read. I don't need to read that crap matter of fact I kind of did Because when tim jones interviewed tim heard from bible thumping wing nut. He pretty much dined himself out If y'all want to know whether or not tim heard the bible thumping wing nut is a grifter That he's a money whore Or where i'm from a money hoe Just go to the video and watch it Go to the video and watch it on youtube and uh He says it He says it He said the reason why I got over 100,000 subscribers is because I know talking about john McArthur Makes me money He paraphrased it, but that's pretty much what he said. Now you tell me But but but david david immoral david no morals He wants to act as though i'm the problem. All right. Well, let's say again. I have no problem us having a debate Pull up over here. Let's do it like we had mentioned. I mentioned the region that you had backed out of I'll definitely come over to your channel. I have no problem at all Provided if we talk about those issues and those issues alone You talking and asking me one one. Let me let me give you an example Let me get what the deflection looks like. Okay he said Topics can be all or some of the following or anything else you want Well, it's not gonna be none of these Number one. He says, why did you only give your viewers half of the roy's stoner story on your lives of david moral live stream? Even though I gave you the link to the full story before and during the string No, you gave me the link to your website Anybody knows that protest is it's not a worthy. I would rather read cnn. I would rather read msnbc I would rather read huffington post Didn't read anything from protest. He's the same people now mind you whose founder JD hall aka j jd fall is An abuser of zen X. He's a he's a druggy And a white beater an abuser and got Disqualified and defrocked as a pastor and david no moral david immoral We're protecting him And this is also to say this is also the david no moral that was doxing uh a community leader The community leaders home. It's all documentaries in the news. Just put it out Just put it out Um, what else what else what else? That's just one of them y'all that was just one of them Just wanted to just wanted to give you a little bit of an idea um Of this stuff here but they're there, you know They act as though He has receipts He uses his articles and and and by the way In that video with uh tim herd He tells tim jones That yes, uh elder han show did not was not summoned or he was not commissioned by John McArthur grace community church He says that phil johnson is saying all hearsay We have we have the information from elder han show on christianity today. He was he was indeed actually commissioned by John McArthur and the elders of grace community church To conduct a bit to conduct the investigation of eileen gray came back with the findings They didn't like the findings and gave the man an ultimatum man said, all right, you know what? I don't need an ultimatum. I got more more principles than y'all do. I'm out and that's what he did Absolutely ladies saturn absolutely they and it's in it's in the link of my other video Matter of fact, it's in the link of my uh the liars of uh david morrow But yes, go to service christie's video On justin peters david morrow j.d. Hall and bible to be when you can't you cannot argue against the facts You are a fool if you do Come on come on ex bro Listen y'all I got some stuff cooking uh out here and um This brother right here y'all pray for him and his family Uh, just pray for him and his family So that there's some things could be uh the god will bring healing and holding this to the family And uh, he'll be able to camera with your brother So we can get it in and talk about some more issues But I I got to give this man. I got to give this man the mic I can't have him on the panel because y'all know if I give if I give x a mic and it's in the panel I might as well send the rest of the panel is home Might as well send everybody else home You know what because y'all know when he had came on my live before remember last year What did I do last year y'all when when I had x on my on my channel? My wife had my breakfast I had I had a plate of uh french toast and some bacon Huh, uh Yes, if you need a lunch break and you hungry and you doing broadcasting Car pass the x he'll cover for you He'll cover for you And you listen you ain't got it. You ain't gotta uh shut the show down. Just let him just let him come on and get your grab on And you ate grits with with no sugar. That's right The only way the god calls me to eat that kind of food brother, huh? Look, I went to dinner picked up my clothes from the cleaners Washed my car detailed it came back when grocery shopping and x was still on the live talking I'm trying to tell you Trying to tell you But no looking forward to this brother coming on once we get our schedules and uh And family matters taken care of But yes, be praying for for our brother is just pray for his family. Uh, the god will heal And bring uh, you know restoration To their loved one So anyway, um, that's that's pretty much it y'all. I just wanted to just uh Share that with you all and I am I am done for tonight I'm gonna let y'all go home early Let y'all go home early But do me a favor if you don't mind, please like subscribe and share this video Please like subscribe share the video Um, also if you don't mind if you are able if you feel led to do so we do appreciate it You can support the ministry by clicking the donation links below at the bottom of the video Uh, you can we use cash up venmo and Zale we encourage you with the exception of our sister in ontario sister lin Uh, if you use these options if you hear it in these united states to uh Support us by using these options here And we do appreciate it the bcv Merchant ice is here as well. You can go to the link and you can see it tick it across the screen and You can support our channel by purchasing merchandise as well too. All right Odell, what'd you say bro? God called us to a savory to a savory grits of life. Not sweet. Come on Yes, uh, no, no, no, no, no, absolutely not sir Absolutely not. I'm trying to get my wife off of that What do I think about we listen? We about to do this again. We listen. We don't have no blaspheme We never have no blasphemy bro in here, steven. No, sir Jelly on grits. No jelly goes on peanut butter Jelly goes jelly goes on biscuits But you don't put ketchup On biscuits man I don't know where my wife got that demonic Behavior from But y'all need to be praying pray the god would that's why I need to be praying for pray the god would deliver My wife from the from the ketchup in in biscuits. How about that? No, it does not lay the Saturn. No, it does not. No, it does not No, it does not No, it does not Jelly does not go on eggs and grits and mayo. Listen, man Y'all, you know what? Thank you. Jenae loose here You took me back. You took me back. Jenae. Yeah loose here Man. Yeah, that's a thing for some people, bro That's what my wife does Y'all gotta pray for me, man Y'all gotta isn't y'all have to pray y'all need to be interceding for this family over here, man Shoot I want to catch up on on the side for my fries. Can't I can't get ketchup on my fry because she didn't take it for the dog on biscuits the head anyway Um, let me uh Let me let me read this. I just got this and I just I just received it. I don't know if this brother wants me to To share his name, but I just I just received this email. I'll read this and then I'll shut it down. All right We'll we'll we'll cut out early. We'll cut out early But I just received it just now. It says good evening, sir. How are you? I just wanted to say I really love your channel Let me tell you about me. I am a born-again Christian since I was 19 years old and I'm from Philly But live in new jersey now I'm trying to build on my ministry and I'm tick tock doing evangelism. That's my passion Love people and love to share the gospel. I thank you for exposing Marcus Rogers and others I was on his channel years ago till I had until you exposed him Then I had to repent and I stopped following him and I went to my men's group and warned them to run And and also and also this men's fellowship Also, I learned a lot uh from you and I subscribed to your channel And I watch every live when you post and I agree with you 100 on the John Mcgroth this situation What I love about you and your channel you back things up with scripture And you always come with proof. I respect you for that Thanks for edifying me and blessing me and for helping me see the hypocrisy of Marcus Rogers and others Thank you and I pray that your ministry grows and god bless you and your family keep doing what you're doing We need more pastors like you amen and have a blessed night. Hope to hear back lord willing brother Thank you. I wanted to read this to you. You just heard back from me right now And so brother, thank you so much for the encouragement I thank you man for uh, just taking the time out to uh, to share and to give me my flowers Top size and bro, let me give Appreciate that man. Thank you man God bless you and your family bless you also in your ministry that god will Increase and give you what you need to carry on for his glory. All right Yes, even to this day contrary what people think and believe. What's up, mob? People are waking up to the deception of Marcus Rogers praise god. Yes, and in that I would say we are done All right. Anyway, that's my time ladies and gentlemen I do appreciate it. Thank you all so much for yours. Y'all do know the drill. I know you do Whatever you do Do I'll take Lord out of God All to the glory of god God bless