 Yeah, I'm Sansa I do a little bit of everything music streams playing guitar playing organ playing video games a lot and having conversations Where we make sure that we are trying to speak in the most realistic terms possible So like very fact-based very evidence-based, etc. Etc. Nice. Okay guys. I apologize This is very cringy. My sound was screwed up. It's fixed. I think now and we also have here with us a Very one of my favorite people the Turk and go ahead and introduce yourself, sir Yeah, so I'm Turk. I stream science and tech do computers and PC and hardware and that kind of stuff Here on Twitch as well as on YouTube YouTube comm slash the Turk just posted a video about an air cooler today So it's doing okay. I wish it'd do better. But yeah, I I'm a conservative and I lean right on pretty much all Aspects, but I like son's all I definitely like talking facts and figures and trying to keep Emotions out in order to make the best Policy decisions as possible So I think that like you can definitely say like it's going to be very hard to find an unbiased jury But I don't think that it's necessarily just going to be biased against the police officer Because it seems like people fall into one of two camps they either fall very very hard on the side of the police are very very hard on the side of Like BLM or George Floyd or that Chauvin was in the wrong, right? The problem that we're like running into is the fact that nobody hasn't heard about this case It was like the biggest event in our country in a good long while. So I Don't think that it's just bias against the police officer The way that you select jurors is like you basically can't have heard about it or have an opinion on it, right? Right, which is impossible at this point. I mean, right? I mean pretty much impossible Yeah, and unfortunately, you know when they're going through jury selection They're asking the jury pool, you know sets of questions to judge, you know, okay Sure, people have heard about this thing sure they might have some sort of bias But they're trying to try and pick as Neutral of a jury as they can and I've been following a couple guys that are tweeting some of the highlights of the jury juror numbers and it's just like Sonsil was saying it people are on both sides and I don't know how you can pick a quote neutral jury When your pool is tainted like this, I I think going to another municipality might help But with how much has been broadcast in the media over the past almost nine months. I don't know if they can Right, I don't think so either. I mean and this is the problem and this is what I want to talk about tonight I'm interested to see if I find much debate on this, but The media are our supposed free press our protectors of democracy are completely fucking corrupt in this We had months of riots Based on their reporting of what happened and I'll admit I was sucked into it myself and the beginning But essentially they jumped the gun just like they have done multiple times I got sued for millions of dollars for doing that they jumped the gun they decided what had happened and They essentially incited Riots for months and months and munch and and they had done that beforehand and we give them that but I'm just wondering of we only have Sonsil here who would probably think Otherwise, but what's your opinion of this? Do you think that this is as the media and as our united as our president says proof of The police hunting down black people in this country and that it's murder. It's murder by the police our president Joe Biden before he was elected That's what he said. He went out and spoke on that and that's what he said. Do you agree with that? I don't think that anyone is saying that police are hunting down black people. No, I think he's I don't know if he said that he said that I can promise anybody that Like knows anything about this or is like a reasonable person You can find all sorts of like dumb opinions from people on Twitter, of course but any like reasonable person can like look at the situation say that there is a a clear difference in the statistics of like policing between African-American and white communities in poor versus rich communities and That that is one of the things that led to The the situation with George Floyd, right? Now I don't think that it's at all fair to say that our media is completely corrupt and that they incited riots the the riots happened before the media like really Like latched on to the story. They went there because of the riots so it feels like the The causation it like the causal link that you're trying to put there isn't true Well, I didn't whip up the George Floyd. Yeah, I I'm gonna go ahead and let Turck go But I think you're an alternate reality here, but yeah And in an ideal world sure the news media would follow things to get a story The fact is and it's happening with the jury right now or the the case now Everyone is getting Ahead of the game now people are preemptively doing things because they know that the masses are gonna start thinking certain ways even before a particular Verdict comes out, you know, there's already people saying that there's gonna be riots if he doesn't get every single Conviction in the affirmative to you know, whatever it is. So it's like Everyone is pushing this too far forward and the media, you know, you can claim they're unbiased whatever all they're doing is fanning the flame And what unfortunately is happening is also a lot of misinformation is being happened is coming out I'm not calling any media outlets out in particular, but there's definitely skewed information skewed framing of stories skewed skewed stories and reporting that are not Invictive of the reality and what could or could not have been to happen better Yeah, I mean so Let's just establish some things here the media right off the bat Including the president of the United States now Joe Biden Claim that one it was a race. What happened to George Floyd was based on race. It was You know, they kill they murdered him based on his skin color Joe Biden said that and I'll play the clip here in a second if you're not familiar with it But that's what he said Along with the rest of the media I rate prostate. Do you have actual video? I'm just littering You're thinking it's just like so distracting cracks me up, but So George alright, so look look this is the fact of the matter the media immediately after that said that it was a race-based Murder that the police murdered him Darren his name is right. I forget Darren Derek Chauvin. Yeah Derek Chauvin He murdered him and everywhere you look at the time it's like they prejudged it from the beginning and yet when you look at the facts and Including the body cam footage you can see there's something and I did a video about this today, but He was fighting police from the beginning. He had a past of violent I mean he had held a pregnant woman hostage pointed a gun at her stomach so when the police came into that situation they already knew that and So he was fighting they were they they tried to be as nice to him as they possibly could from the beginning He said he couldn't breathe from the beginning and we know this is because he was overdosed on fentanyl He had three times the amount of fentanyl than any other person Right. This is this is like a really common narrative that you're putting forward, but it's the truth But no even the even the autopsy that you're putting forward that you're like referencing right? It's one of two I know Yeah, well not only is it one of two But even the one that you're referencing that says he was overdosed that you're saying that he said that was overdosed They didn't say it was overdosed They still said that he had a heart attack as a result of the restraints that were put on him right? Nobody nobody said that he was overdosed This is a narrative that has been like going around right-wing media and I can't exactly explain why other than they just like Need to wait a second Yeah, wait a second though You're saying he had a heart attack because of restraints not because of the fentanyl or what? Okay, if he had if he had fentanyl in his system, right? And he was functioning just fine before but he wasn't Fine So like if he was walking around just fine before right and he was like Functioning just fine before and then a net knee was on his neck for nine minutes And that put him over the edge into death then it seems like it was the restraint that killed him and had he like Yeah, have you watched the full body cam footage of the apprehension and everything? Yeah, that's my question He was completely. Yeah, he was completely erratic. He kept saying all sorts of different things He could like right from the beginning inside of the car when he was in the back seat I mean as a you know, I can't sit in But like there's no way that you can like really like the the fact that he put his knee on his neck for nine minutes until he was Dead does not like it makes it to where you can't really prove that the fentanyl was the thing that was going to kill him You can't really prove that these other things because they didn't say that there was enough in him to overdose That's not what the that's not what the That's what I Yeah, the medical one of the medical examiners said that he had enough fentanyl in him that one if he had died in his home And they had discovered him that he would have that they would he would have ruled it as an overdose death and To that he had enough fentanyl on him that in any normal other circumstance would have killed somebody If he had died at home, you might have been able to say that Well, and there was no other in circumstates problems that were that were going on with him, right and Even like all of this aside, right? The the the fact that you're like we're There's like a million points that have been thrown out that I want to push back on yeah go for do it. Take your time, too We're just hanging out. Yeah, there's there's also the thing that you said like it was like he was killed for his race Like he like because he was a black person well That's what I didn't like the great narrative like I'm part of a lot of lefty circles, right? I'm on lefty Twitter a whole bunch most of the time When I see people talking about this right any like reasonable person not like some random high school like Like high school or on Twitter The the thing that I say is there is systemic racism that like leads that led to this situation in the first place, right? It's not the fact that like showman was like out there hunting down a black man He just like really wanted to kill him some blacks, right? It's it's not that at all It's just like there is a General trend of like overpolicing of african-american communities because like a bunch of extant factors, right? And this led to this the situation Right, I mean when you say due to a bunch of factors there's a whole other discussion on that that we could veer off into it I'm cool with that Well, one thing I do want to what I want to mind here is this is now a An actual case right in front of a panel of jurors and will be you know You have to prove what he's convinced or what he's being charged with beyond reasonable doubt And I could probably say that given either of those Medical reports the clear instance of there being intoxicants in his body as well as other Factors leading to his general health. It doesn't help the fact that also that restraint move was being taught by many police Precincts around the United States, so it's like Murder One is not gonna happen murder two probably not murder murder three Possibly manslaughter probably I could probably see him going down for manslaughter But it's like the facts of the case don't support the general outrage It's probably gonna be happening and then when they don't get the verdict that they want It's gonna be bedlam and the wherever this is happening Well, yeah, right. So like the I don't know if there's like necessarily like 100% going to be riots and stuff because of the Because of the Verdict right like I mean there was riots for a Brianna Taylor and they just decided to not charge the police officers And that's because it was a much less significant case in the grand scheme of things, right? Well, no I don't think that's like less significant, right? The problem there was that it was a grand jury and grand juries like there's a common lawyer meme where like a grand jury should be able to get a Charge for like a ham sandwich, right? They're there to like look at the evidence and put someone in trial There's only two countries in the world that do That use the grand jury system and that's the US in South Africa everyone else realizes that this is a stupid fucking system But like even outside of that you said something about like this is something that he was trained to do this like knee on the neck thing, right? Even if the case right Like even if that's the case and I say something about that real quick I don't mean to buy it on you But I just want to say about the knee on the neck thing because that'll I mean that's what this is all about It has killed or I'm sorry. I looked into that to find out how many people that has actually killed I could not find any stat on that per in per se, but I did find an NBC story that said that 40 I think 44 people had been rendered unconscious in five years and it is a it is a tactic that's used daily Yeah, and that's not like necessarily a good thing, right? Because if it leads to like people like losing consciousness because there's a net a knee on their neck like a lot of pressure Applied to their neck that could beckon also right to people dying, right? Like here's the thing like even if it's like a tactic that's taught to them, right? There's a lot of different like like martial arts and shit that police officers or military personnel learn that If they use it to the like too far of an extent, right? Like if say they learn like Crop McGraw and then they use that and they like fucking just like break a dude's neck Right, even though they were trained in that like style of martial arts It doesn't really give them a pass for killing someone with it, right? So like I don't understand why we're even bringing that up as like, oh, well, he was trained to do it Yeah Well, that goes to the defense of the case and that he was following common protocols And yes, he could have not done the training properly Which is why I think manslaughter three or whatever the higher charge of manslaughter He's being charged with could happen because you know if the training says to let go of someone after they haven't been You know acknowledged in 60 seconds and he doesn't do that. He's then negligent and Suffers the consequence. I think you nailed it real quick. I want to say I think the Turk pretty much just predicted What will the worst outcome for him will be? I think that will be the worst outcome I don't think that's gonna happen because like I just said, it's a daily tactic that's used every day across this country and millions of interactions literally millions of interactions every year and it results in you know, very few if any deaths and Some people unconscious and let's remember that they only use this tactic as you know, almost the last result Last result or it only happens when people are fighting them and are just going crazy. I Mean, I just don't see how you can blame the people trying to resolve the situation that is not of their making I don't get it Well, it's like it was kind of up there making because the the crime that George Floyd was even being accused of wasn't like like a major criminal act, right? George Floyd had every opportunity to comply He was put into several different situations that would not have resulted into him getting a knee on his neck Right, you know, I have a question for you then Do you think that like in every situation like no matter what even if a cop is like absolutely like Unreasonable in there and the way that they're treating you, right? Do you think that it's something that like a citizen should comply with the police? No matter what even if they're in the wrong? Yes, and what the lawyers sort of that later. Yes, okay, so like so number one I don't think that any Republican would ever say that yeah No, like we should absolutely been the need to the to the government at every single like no matter What because we'll let lawyers sort it out later, right number two If you want to say that lawyers need to sort it out later That's like that's like pretty fine for you if you can afford a lawyer But it doesn't seem like many people in these like like It's gonna afford lawyers It doesn't even have to get that far if he would just have listened to the police officers and just kept yelling at him Instead of trying to walk off or start to interact physically with the officers the entire situation could have been No, he probably would have charged him with the what the the fraud check that he was trying to cash, right? He would be around right and let me just say this real quick to not go crazy Yeah, but let me let a cop walks up to work really quick say a cop walks up to you and and starts accusing you of something that you Obviously didn't do right and says like you're under arrest for the crime of let's say like Like I saw you I'm trying to think of something that's not like a J walking right like not even J walking something like slightly better like worse than that I saw you do some graffiti back there, right? I saw you like Spray paint a gang sign on someone's fence, right? You're coming with me, right? Do you do you think that you like are like obligated to go with that cop? Even though you like definitely don't think that you did that You you you have definitely have multiple options all of which don't have to result in violence or dis Okay, yeah, but like against what the officer says so So the cop right the cop like accuses you of that, right? What are your options? You can either say like no fuck you, right? And just like try and walk away from the fuck your life Who is escalating at that point, right? Is it the cop, right? Look trying to get out of the situation that like they're big they feel it they are being Unlawfully, no, no, let me jump in here. Let me jump in here real quick. So I'm so you're I gotta tell you man I know you think you look like you I understand you have empathy for people and you're a good person I get it you are and you have you you want It's good to happen these people but what you're tell what you're saying right now is the worst advice Like Listen, I understand like the real world versus like Like the examples, but I'm giving right now, right? I'm asking what ought to happen, right? Right? I'm telling you like and this is my problem This is another another big problem I have with the media is that when these things happen instead of putting out message messages to the black community that or To all communities it doesn't matter any community that when you're being arrested Go along you got to comply because that's the law you comply and then if you were mistreated sue them afterwards That should be the message. They should be like pushing like if you're get if you're getting screwed over reasonable No, listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me I'll finish in just a second. They need to be Told about the law and how they can sue and empower themselves if they're being mistreated There are YouTube channels all over the place that do first and second amendment audits they do all these kind of They instruct people how about their rights and all this stuff. That's what people need to be told Not that like there's some rationalization or justification to fight the police. That's it But there's like no way This is like a bunch of conservatives, right? Like there's no way that you believe that like the state should be able to just like arrest you with impunity And then you have to like sit there and pay for like lawyers and stuff Especially like imagine like telling a like a bunch of like poor people and like Appalachia So, oh just like pay for a lawyer afterwards like there's so so let's promote funding lawyers for people who get screwed over Let's promote that like we already do that's called public. Well. Let me tell you on CNN on CNN What's her? I can't freaking remember her name all of a sudden, but she actually said oh one She was actually promoting that black people fight the police on CNN and she said oh When black people just comply they die. That's what she said So that's not the way to go. I'm telling you right now. I may be a straight white male But I'm telling you black folks in America black Americans. Okay, that's not the way to go I want to get I want to get it. I want to get a couple words in on this Um, first of all the idea that uh putting your your knee on a um Assailants neck is a should be a legitimate way of entertaining somebody is absolutely ridiculous I know this because I was trained as a I was trained as a doc officer. Nobody said that You were we already established that we already established that 50 44 people in five years lost consciousness. That's the extent of yeah So it sounds to me like y'all are trying to defend the practice, right? Yeah I think I think it's a last resort. It's one of the last resorts before deadly force. Yeah Okay, so I was trained as a doc officer in the state of virginia and that means that I was um training for an officer in a Prison, which means that everybody that I was dealing with were Already convicted criminals and we were trained to never put our knees on the next one We're trying to detain these people So I do not see why it would be understandable for a police officer trying to avoid lawsuits there I mean multiple states have different uh Requirements and laws to adhere to I'd believe right and they may train that's against so right I think they may train I think they may train that tactic only to and I'm not putting you down liberal Cluck, but it may be like certain levels that they train that to because if you train it to like lower levels I'm just guessing that More lawsuits or something. I don't know So high so high level So chauvin's probably also been a police officer for many years. I don't know what his stats are as a police officer So It's entirely possible that he was trained early on in the career when it was an acceptable practice And then they've started phasing out that technique for other safer more humane techniques And that it was still in the books as being an acceptable Uh use of force, but it's being phased out. So, you know, that's a what-if scenario, but it's like I'm not condoning people putting knees on necks of people What I'm saying is it is in their book on things to do and they did plenty of other things before that point So it's like it's not like he just like And Let's let's see in there Okay. Yeah, go for it. Is he not a free thinker that could realize after a certain amount of minutes that Let's just grab the other, you know Somewhat chunky asian cough and let's just jump on this guy's back Pick him up and get him in the fucking car here instead of they already had put him in the car before this is in They had yeah By the way, when he was in the car handcuffed He was screaming that he was gonna die because he couldn't breathe. I'm just saying he was Before there was any necks before there was any knees on his neck So on the point of um, it was a part of their books and stuff like that That it was liable in that state. Um, I agree that um, the that when You have something like that when you're trained like that and you're told that it's okay Um, and you use those tactics and it ended up causing harm It should not be on the officer because that's the way you're trained. Um, but Like the the onus is on the state to change the policies to make sure these things don't happen Um, the state is 100 percent responsible if these were on these tech techs were on their books. Um, now, however Um, george floyd was pretty obviously having a mental health crisis. Um, and and The whole defund the police movement was it was all about like not having police officers Be the the people that are dealing with these kinds of crises because they're not very well equipped to do so Well, let me ask you this Let's say that george floyd a man who took a pregnant woman who invaded a home Took a pregnant woman hostage and hold it held a gun to her abdomen Would I uh sending us a um, some sort of a medical person in to deal with him? You think that that would be a good idea And yes, it can't be Okay, hold on. We'll sacrifice them. I guess I feel very very weird about you like knowing all about, uh, George floyd's past crimes, but like not like knowing Derek chauvin's past of like fair enough Fair enough. What what has he done? Yeah, so like in chauvin's 19 year, uh career. He had 18 citations for like, uh Or like complaints or citations Um, six of which went towards um, like disciplinary action for being too goddamn rough with people All right, he has a history of being too fucking rough with people for being too like for doing like police brutality and shit He has a history of that. So why are you focusing so much on george floyd's path? Right? So instead of george or, uh, derek chauvin's uh I can explain it in like a total shithead. I can explain that. I actually did read about that about derek chauvin uh I would say That should come into it I suppose because he maybe maybe he did something with his knee knowing that he would cost him, you know Some sort of pain that it's about knowing though. I don't think it's about knowing it's about not caring. Here's the thing Here's the thing. None of this would have happened. All right without You know, uh, floyd himself and if you just watch the body cam videos, which the media never popularized They never made those big watch them. He the man is out of his mind and i'm sorry anybody In my opinion if somebody has invaded a home taken somebody hostage pointed a gun at their abdomen I don't give a fuck I don't give a fuck what they do after I mean, well, I take that back. They there is a possible Redemption there maybe but he didn't do it. So fuck him. I don't even care It's just like he went to jail for that. Is that not enough redemption? Like no, it's not No, okay So like what is the point of prison then is it just to punish people and like we just like vilified them for the rest of time After that, I'm confused because like if we're going to have a justice system That I just I cannot fathom somebody who would do something like that I would never do that and I cannot fathom Okay, and I'm not like but we're getting way off the beaten path here But this is like really this is like common tactics that I see people like Uh, defending police for when they do like really horrible things. I'm not sitting here and saying But I'm against police doing horrible things. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. But he did something that was horrible This is like pretty much a very very like when it first came out even like a couple of months afterwards It was pretty well since like uh, except it's like We're gonna get into that that's a media problem months Yeah, it did it was media like it's just months and months of media fighting against them, uh, like pushing a narrative that actually, uh George floyd was at fault for uh, for this and actually police are being vilified. Yes Because even at the like maybe at the point when there was um When there was riots even when the target burned down, there was something like an 80 percent Uh approval rate of blm people were like, yeah, fuck Derek chauvin. Look at him He has his neck on that guy's or his knee on that guy's neck right for fucking nine minutes. Right. Yes Even me I was I was on board Yeah, and so I was this idea this idea that it was like people just like Are trying to vilify cops? No, it took way longer for the for the media the right wing media to try and um Turn the narrative around than it did for people to accept like yeah, no This was obviously a bad thing. We shouldn't have our knees on people's necks No, no, no, no, I'm sorry with people all around him begging and pleading like look He's like in a fucking like horrible position like you've you've got to do something, right? I don't like this idea of like this authoritarian idea of like we should just automatically accept everything that cops do is good And like or that we should accept a cop Arresting someone at like face value every single time, right? Let me tell you son. So All right, let me just stop you there. That's not what this is for sure because I I uh, one of my favorite channels out there is cop block. Are you familiar with that? You must be I know about it. Yeah cop block. Okay I am not I'm a guy. Let me tell you right now. You may not know this but I actually got uh wrongly accused of a crime when I was young And it pretty much ruined my life there for a while until I got into the military, but Yeah, I was wrongly accused and it got through the courts and everything and eventually at the end the truth finally Came out and I escaped With my life somehow, but believe me. I know like I'm not like I understand that cops out there are there's brutal cops. There's racist cops and all that I'm just we're talking about this one thing and this particular case The problem we were talking about this earlier that we can't even try this case Like how can this guy get a fair case in court because the media has already judged the president Joe bine has already judged he put out a statement saying that oh, this was based on race black This shows black people are being hunted. I mean hold on but you're you're you're like this is a non sequitur Just because no, it's not but that it's another I'm trying to jump topics here a little bit But yeah, just because just because they can't find a jury doesn't mean that it mean that it's automatically everyone is against Uh, Derek chauvin. It's anyone that has heard of this case. Well, that's any opinion on BLM, right? I've been positive towards chauvin, right? This isn't right. I agree. It's because they can't find a A jury for them for him. Does it mean that it's like rigged against police? Like this is no, no, no I didn't say rigged. I didn't say rigged. You're right. I didn't I didn't get into that more clearly, but I agree there it's both it's so Like everybody is in their spots at this point But the fact of the matter is when you look at the facts when you I mean and that's even hard because when you look at the uh Autopsy there was two autopsies, but the other autopsy was done by somebody that was paid by the family So, I don't know. Here's my thing Okay, this is what I want to talk about here right now The media and that's what my channel is typically focused on um Right now, I mean even right now today. I did a video Jen Socky went on there with another reporter and they're talking about oh Well, we're doing all this outreach to black communities and blah blah and all this and that like we don't have There's no evidence that any of this had anything to do with race, correct? Like this like specific incident or like the yeah this specific incident um No, but I don't think that that necessarily matters because the problem that people are having is that there seems to be a pattern of um of police doing things in uh, like while they're Uh in african-american neighborhoods or like inner city like poor neighborhoods and they get away with them almost like All of the time because of a million different things, right? All right. Well, all right. Well, We've been you and I have been talking a while. Let's bring in some other people. I want to bring in um Real quick liberal clock. Go ahead and say your piece. You haven't said much and then turk Okay, so um, I wanted to speak to what I said earlier about the mental health professional when george ford died He was handcuffed on the ground. Um, he was posing no threat to anyone as soon as uh, the police realized that he was Quote-unquote as you said out of his mind. They probably should have tried to bring if they had the means Bring a mental health professional in to try and help george floyd through his mental health crisis That would have been the ideal way of handling that situation instead of trying to make um detaining him and getting him inside the car Like number one priority. Uh de-escalating george floyd should have been the number one priority Whether that is training the cops to do so or having a mental health professional come in and do so That should have been a number one priority. That is what I was trained to do as a That was what I was going to do uh trained to do as a doc officer also um Second if you want to talk about whether racism has something to do with it Um, you got to recognize the differences between a systemic race A racist system and individual actors who are explicitly racist and individual actors who has implicit biases And i'm happy to get into that stuff But um, but it's a really multifaceted issue that it's going to probably Take more time than what we got right now to get into and probably shouldn't be Discussed on a round table because I don't think that anybody can do their side Well, we're all white males here too. So that's pretty sacrosanct Yeah, I mean, uh The dr. Michael botten is a part is a member of of the media as well and he's also a professional, um, uh witness And so his findings Can be questionable because I believe he went in with with a um an agenda You're talking about the family guy Yeah, family autopsy. Yeah He's a he's a professional. Well, he had a show on hbo Um, I didn't I did not know that he was a corner in new york for years But but my point is is that this dude is a professional witness And his job is my thing to disrupt the the the oppositions or the you know, um, the state's Presentation of of how the cause of death, right? Right and pain him that brought of a brush I would say that he is a professional who has been on a witness stand and has put his findings into the court ledger because As a corner for however many years that is your job Yeah, but he did also he did uh oj along with with lee You know, um, and uh, you know, and sarah whacked all those guys are are professional. I mean, they're very expensive. Yeah I'm pretty interested to see since one, uh, autopsy revealed that it was murder and the other autopsy revealed that there was no evidence Of uh, asphyxiation. I'm interested to see how that bears out What's because I would assume that the guy who says there's no evidence of Asphyxiation has can prove that and so I'm I mean, I'm that's gonna be interesting just to that point They they both came to the conclusion that the restraints were the Were the thing that ended up killing george floyd the difference between the two autopsies was that one said that, um, it was, uh Pulmonary things that like ended up killing him, right the like perhaps like the the restraints like either either like overly excited him or like something to that effect or And then the other one said something to the effect or said that it was asphyxiation either way Nobody like that is was involved with the autopsies or was involved with the investigation afterwards Denies that it was the restraints that killed him the like anyone that says otherwise is restraints not the fentanyl Literally yes, I read it. I've read the autopsy right before I came on here Because you said you wanted to talk about george floyd and now I read him too, but the other guy said that he had three times The amount that would kill any like any in any normal circumstance would kill a person Uh, the the report that I said said that there was fentanyl But in the end the the restraint was the thing that ended up killing him. That's interesting in way like There's no like no I stabbed someone like 15 times right and then they died of blood loss I couldn't say well, look it was the blood loss that killed them. It was the it was the stabbing Well, I find it interesting that one core one corner Uh describes the amount of fentanyl he had and the other one kind of glosses over it But but also to nitpick on your example so someone could also have taken a lot of acetaminophen and cause their Your their blood vessels to dilate more and causing more blood to flow And you know if you got you know scratched on the elbow and that caused him to die So it's like I think well, it's up for the jury to dissect the elbow It's an example what the debate is actually Yeah, and that's what I think it's up to the jury to figure out Which of these two medical reports has more credibility? Which one is more accurate with the rest of the evidence? You're right, right? You're right But at the end of the day when you're when the evidence is submitted to the court is that Are these autopsies that both? Link that it was the restraint that ended up putting them over the edge, right? You can't argue in court or like I think it's a really weak defense to say like he will He would have died anyways So like Derek Chauvin putting his knee on his neck doesn't really fucking matter. It's a really weak defense in court I mean, it's like a long string of events that led to that though that you're just kind of like blowing off But you're also in the court of law where there's other Uh pieces of evidence the autopsy report might be One piece of the totem pole, but there's also the entire history of the entire arrest that could have Led to what was going on and why they used certain restraints So it's like that's why I don't think the charges of murder two murder three are going to stick And I think that's what's ultimately going to be the disappointment Somebody asked me earlier like why brought up the fact that he had hauled that woman hostage Like that's part of it like when those those cops knew that so like when they were You know They know that he went to prison. They don't they didn't know the exact charge They don't see like assault or something regardless regardless. He was never he was right Wait, so cops are more cops are definitely more Little more sketchy when they're dealing with somebody they know has been in violent altercations By like bringing up like the like you're making your case through like a motion like oh, look how like horrible This person was instead of like no No, no, you're miss you're miss. Yeah, that's not what it is That's also that's also irrelevant because he was in restraints and while I've got the floor I just want to make two points. Um, real quick, uh, whether or not george floyd died of Restraints it only speaks to that specific particular case. Um, it doesn't actually speak to the systematic problems. Um, that, uh, That encompasses policing within the black community. Um, the second point is is that fentanyl kills people You said you said that it was um A a cardiovascular uh problem, right? I don't know if it was whether Yeah, so was it like fast heart rate or slow heart rate that killed him because fentanyl kills by slowing your heart rate I would have to look back at the Through excited delirium at the time, which I don't believe is related to the cardio Rate. I'm not a medical expert. So opioids suppress your breathing Um, literally if you take too much it turns your the part of your brain off that tells you to breathe Okay, uh, but yeah, if y'all want to talk about systemic issues when it comes to, uh, well I mean I I kind of want to talk about the media and how the media has been like we're getting off of the fact that Uh, can we just get one one quick thing here? Good Can we do a quick vote? Um On what everyone would say for our chauvin guilty And then I want you to say single digits and of years in jail Double digits of years in jail or life. I mean, what's your fun? I'm gonna say guilty double digits Guilty of what is this a cop that we're talking about? Yes. Yeah Something that would equate to 10 to 20. Are you serious? Not guilty period Not guilty. I would say um, I would say legally Not guilty if the state allows the actions that he did That would be the there would be onus on the state to address that Morally probably pretty culpable because I would um expect somebody with police training to know better Like I don't know if we're like saying like I don't know like what the point of this is I don't know if we're saying like what we personally think or what we think is going to happen Yeah, yeah, yeah personally I I think that he's guilty. I don't know. Um, like how many years he's gonna get that just depends on you think he actually like knowingly murdered him or You don't need to really murder someone to go to jail Do you think he normally do you think he knowingly murdered him because he was black? No Okay, that's not what he's being charged with though. Okay. I'm just curious just me personally because yeah That's like the narrative that our our president of the united states is Mainstream, I don't think that anyone is actually like running with that narrative that like is a reasonable person And I don't think what are you Joe? No, come on the president said it and is the narrative the popular narrative the black people are being hunted down