 Okay it's time for a council initiated discussion. Veterans of the council know this part of an open session meeting quite well. We've given you a full agenda and there's more to do tomorrow as well but we also want to give you an opportunity to play open mic and this is a good time for you to ask for reports on some of our grant programs or activities going on at NIH. It's also a good time for you to bring to our attention any concerns you're hearing in the community. You are representative, you're advising us but you're also representatives of the research community and if you're hearing about problems or crises that we need to be apprised of it's a good time to bring it up. So what would you like to hear about? We could start with that. Sharon. Well I thought the discussion a few minutes ago about what type of LC research is going on across NIH was an interesting one. I don't know that all the institutes use the term LC but whether it might be worth at least hearing about if there's some major efforts addressing overlapping issues or policy issues at other institutes because when we review or when we hear about the grants we're normally thinking about the NHGRI program and not necessarily thinking about it in the context of NIH and where there might be other work going on. So would you like us to pull together some kind of report or could we ask our LC program directors to invite people from other institutes to give presentations which that might get a little bit long That might get long. I think I would defer to them as to the best way to present but I think it would be a good topic. Okay go ahead Rafa. So I hear concerns about the way their lack of guidelines for effort reporting. For what effort reporting? Okay and I think the general topic of foreign influence and NIH oversight of some of these things and many of the things that are in the news and we certainly have been offered appropriate people will come to council meetings and talk to council members so we can certainly do that. I thought a while back we had a discussion about having possible speakers about collaborating with foreign entities particularly China and so on. Maybe I've missed something in the interim. We might be the same general topic we just heard about. If you're talking about the recent concerns about that. Are you looking for guidelines to adhere to or report about the scope of the problem? Guidelines I think and in my mind. Okay we can do that. All right that's a short list we're happy with that. All right I think we're in the home stretch here so I'm now going to read the conflict of interest statement to you. This is what you've been waiting for all day long. This applies to the applications that you will review in closed session later today and tomorrow and there is a document I can see Pat's pulling it out now thank you very much there's a document in the folder that you need to sign a testing to your that you've identified conflicts so please do that and leave it just leave it on the desk we'll collect it later. So you must leave the meeting room when applications submitted by your own organization are being individually discussed. In the case of state higher education or other systems with multiple campuses that are geographically separated own organization is intended to mean the entire system except where determination has been previously made that the components are separate organizations for the purpose of determining conflict of interest. You should avoid situations that could give rise to charges of conflict of interest whether they are real or apparent. For example you should not participate in the deliberations and actions on any application from or involving your spouse child recent student recent teacher professional collaborator with whom you have worked closely a close personal friend or a scientist with whom you have had longstanding scientific or personal differences. The NHGRI staff will determine the appropriate action based on recency frequency and strength of such associations or interests either positive or negative and will instruct you accordingly. And counsel actions in which you vote on a block of applications without discussing any individual one the so-called on block action your vote will not apply to any application from any institution fulfilling the criteria noted above. Please sign the conflict of interest and dispose of a confidential materials forms which are provided and leave them at your place they'll be collected at the end of the meeting. And get ready with that gavel because we're now done with the open session we're going to take about a 15 minute break and then reassemble for the closed session. Okay.