 Wee! Jack Thriller! We been Snoop Dogg to the left, Jack Thriller to the right, JackThriller.com through it all night, hit the website, hit the sub with a quick, if you're trying to get hooked up with a past super pinch. Yo, we just had the warm-up. It's new Jack Thriller City, man. How does everybody feel in here, man? Can I make some noise? Yeah! So I introduce my co-host today, man. Yo, I got this beautiful young lady. She is a relationship guru. She got her own thing going on, man. She bad as all out though. She know what she talking about. She can help you get your relationship together. And guess what? She in a relationship, so it counts. Yeah, I want you all to start clapping right now. Give it up for Amani Talks. Yeah! She got the one thing about it, podcast. Mm-hmm. And, you know, I got my all player partner, my homegirl, my friend, and whatnot. She also is the owner of her own radio station and everything. And she's beautiful. She's intelligent. And she's extremely talented. Y'all give it up for the lovely Chelsea Speaks. And y'all give it up for the godfather of the crank movement. Now, I got to tell you for a minute. I got to give it up for my cousin, man. He created the Soulja Boy Dance. You know what I'm saying? He created the show, the L-O, Get Silly. You know what I'm saying? He did his thing. He did out of the Snappin' World, but I walked, cranked that game. Come on now. And he cranked song, really, because all of them were just a fit off of the dance that I made. Come on. And guess what? He patented this shit, too. I patented it. The first person in the world ever do that. Come on now. Legally own it. That's out to the Secretary of State. Come on. The leader of the cash count. Y'all give it up for Lil Playboy. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Jack. Thank you, Jack. Thank you, Jack. Say it again. Thank you, Jack. No, thank you, man. Who says nepotism is dead? Hey, and you know, let me go on here. We got guests in the building. We have company today. Now, this guy right here, I've known him for a long time. He has a face for TV. He has a voice for radio. He is a rapper. He's a comedian. He's an activist. He's a lyricist. He's an MC. And he's one of my best friends in the world. Every time I talk to this guy, you know, he always put me inside a really great mood and let me know that, hey, yo, it's a whole other level. I could do this. You know, you heard him on the morning hustle. Now you've heard him on Dish Nation. Now you've seen him as South by Southwest. And you've seen him as some of the flyest movie premieres in Atlanta, Georgia. Y'all get up for the incomparable air crack. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey man, it wasn't enough. It wasn't enough, bro. I appreciate that. And it makes me realize like every time someone reads down like the laundry list is like, yeah, I do a lot. I feel Jamaican. What you mixed with though? Yo, I did a 23 and me and I'm like 47% Nigerian. Wow. So I immediately started emailing my family and scammed them out of money. Get out of here. Yeah, I'm like Nigerian. I'm also Congolese. There's a little like British in there, like very small percent. But like it's ill. And the crazy thing, if you've ever done a 23 and me, like when you spit in that little tube and mail it off, right? Like if you check the app, the stats change. Kind of like, you know, like playing NBA 2K. You know what I mean? Like, oh yeah, well last year I was like 36% Nigerian. And now I've increased. Get out of here. Yeah, I leveled up. I'm almost about to make Joe Love Rice. Come on now. You like Joe Love? Yo, so I've never had it in real time. However, I went to with Dada. No, not with Dada. I went to, what's that spot? That's Quincy Jones' daughter. That's Kid Dada. Oh, okay. No. No, Sevonada. I went to Sevonada and they got like a little hot ball over there and they had Joe Love Rice. And I'm like, ooh, let me get this rice. Everybody's been talking about. I need to get it from somewhere else. Oh. I wasn't hitting on that. And I'm not even sniping. Because usually when I go to Sevonada, I come through with some herbs that make you run fast and jump harder, stroke longer, right? But the Joe Love Rice was it as advertised. They say different countries make it different. Do you know who? Senegal. No, I'm saying, oh. Ghana. And Nigeria. And who made it? No, I was saying which one did you eat? I feel like the Korean made it. Oh. Good one I had. Yeah, that's why they say something. He had some Chinese rice. He had some French rice. He had some fried rice. I had some fried Joe Love Rice. I had some fried. I had some fried. They had an African make it though. They had an African make it at Joe. They had an African serve it. Yo, God. Oh, shit. Okay. How important was it for you two, you know what I'm saying, do that whole ancestry 23andme.com thing? It was very important because the thing is you gotta know what to eat, right? You gotta eat right for your blood type. A lot of people feel like, All right, let me jump on this fad diet and whatnot and do what I do. However, you don't know where your people come from. So maybe you trying to be a vegetarian and your blood really more so calls or your DNA background calls for you more so to like, you should be eating bison or like raw tuna or, you know what I mean? You gotta figure it out. So a lot of times people be on this health journey and they actually making themselves sicker because they just following fads and trends. Hey, are you all positive? I think I am. I don't remember what topped my head but I know what I eat. What are we supposed to be eating? If you're positive red meat but not like cheap red meat, you supposed to eat like bison. I'm positive. See, bison, you can do a little bit of pork too. You know what I mean? Oh, I do a lot of bit of pork. Yeah, I felt like, you know, if they had like better fire and biblical times, they'd have been more bored with eating that. Hmm, hmm, hold on a minute. When you say not cheap, cheap like a red meat, what do you mean? Well, you're not as like levels to the type of beef you could get, you know what I mean? I ain't trying to throw no potential sponsors under the bus but there's a particular place that makes tacos that maybe you sell a D-quality meat, right? You might even be eating ground up kangaroo. However, kangaroo apparently tastes amazing because I love getting tacos for this place. But it's not the highest quality amount. It's not the highest quality of meat you could be eating from there. It's just something that we'll do because it's after 11 p.m. Very. If they had a white castle, I'd be eating that too. Amen. I want to say, you and I were talking earlier this week, you know, sorry about your dog, man. How's your dog doing? Tell them what happened to your dog. Yo, man, so my dog got attacked by a coyote because apparently I live in a neighborhood where niggas be playing Jumanji. And there'd be all types of unexplainable wildlife in my neighborhood is like, yo, how the fuck is a rhino out here? You know what I mean? So I let my dog outside for just a little bit of time, right? It's a shih tzu. Why you say, oh, like that? Yeah, what was that? Coyote or shit food. You look disappointed with your dog. I was thinking he's like French Bulldog. No, like, because like when you get a dog that's like a human-sized person, they take human-sized shits in your yard, man. Yeah, that's true. Yo, my friend stayed with me for like six weeks and he had like, I think it was like a Labrador or something like that. Whatever it was, it was a big dog, right? And my yard guy was like, yo, these are such first world problems. My yard guy was like, hey, man, whatever that new dog is, can you have that person pick up the poop? Cause it's like, yo, I keep stepping in it. Cause like it just be like large poops when you got them big sized dogs. I want like a small dog, which I have. But anyway, back to the story. I came in, I let my dog out. I went and smoked half a joint and came back upstairs and made some food. Ate that food, that made some more food. Ate that food. And then I'm going upstairs and it's like midnight. And I'm like, damn, Lucy hasn't came back in yet. Cause usually I'll let her out and she'll like pour at the door and walk right in when she's ready. And as soon as I thought about it, my lady came downstairs like, yo, the cops outside. I'm like, damn, Lucy got hit by a car. I'm just assuming that's what happened. And she's like, nah, like the neighbor found my dog bleeding in their driveway and he knocked on my door and the door just opened up. So they thought some terrible breaking and entering shit happened in the house. So they called the police cause they thought we all got murdered. However, it was my dog who got half murdered by this coyote. So when I, they put him in a little basket for me and I rushed into the hospital. When I tell you my dog looked like Bushwick Bill on the We Can't Be Stopped album cover at a ghetto boys. Like her eye was hanging out and she was like all bloody. Like, yo, it was breaking my heart. She was making sounds on the way to the hospital. I never heard her make before. So I'm applying pressure. I'm trying to be fast. And then also too, there's not a lot of like, there's not a grady for dogs, you know what I'm saying? After midnight. So you got to drive like, you know, to a different part of town to get that high quality service. You know, mainly with his more white people. There's some rich, there's some rich nigga problems right here. And then you say you had to hold the dog I am. I didn't have to hold the dog I am but it was just hanging out. Like, you know, like a kid outside. Hey, I've been there. I know how it is. Go ahead. Yeah, it struggles real. So got it there. And they came out and it's like how you be watching a show like ER, the doctors come out like, yo, stat, get some blood over here. They was doing all that work. And they actually got her calm, right? Then I stayed for about an hour, went home. Next day I get a phone call. It's like, yeah, we did all we could do for a year. We need you to take it to this other place. And then I took it to this other place. And when it was all said and done, I could have bought a Kia, but my dog's alive. God. Dang. That's a high bill. Oh, the bill is higher than giraffe nuts. My pets are expensive. Because they understand it got you by the nuts because that's your fur baby. And the crazy thing is I was talking to people about it. And it's like, yo, man, how old's your dog? And I'm like 15. And I'm like, you're pet. He's spaying up. They're like, 15 in dog years is like 82. Yeah. Yeah, he said this is actually an age. And I don't even know if that's accurate dog year. But yeah, so short version. My dog's going to do the eye patch. They had to remove two ribs. But she's alive. And you know, walking around on this. The cow didn't ate your dog ribs. It didn't eat the ribs. But when it bit into it, I guess it cracked some ribs. Because I guess they really bite things with a very ferocious force. And yeah, it cracked. They had to remove two ribs. She lost her right eye. And now I'm on Etsy trying to find eye patches. Which is tricky, because I had that shit in the cart. And they was like, yo, what is the circumference of the dog's head? And then I thought about every time I was in math class, he's like, I ain't going to need to know this shit as an adult. I wish I knew that shit. I've been trying to figure out two days how to measure the circumference of my dog's head. Bro, you feel it really? You really got to go get an eye patch for your dog? My nigga, the eye is gross. Oh, wow. Like, yo, because they removed the first hospital. They removed the eye, but they didn't sew it shut. Because they was like, yo, this is the worst of all. This is the least of our problems at this moment, so I'm like, OK. And I didn't realize it until I got her home a week later. And then that eye started opening up like a garage door and shit. So then you start seeing like the, you remember as a kid, you used to flip your eyelids. That's how I look like old times, but it's a dog. God damn, I got the poltergeist dog. Yes, shit. But you know, but I thought she was going to be an eye. And it's a girl. That's a tough little lady. That's a tough little girl. Yeah, like I'm going to, that's going to be like my, but once I get the eye patch on the dog, are you going to see me with that dog all the time? Got you, got you. Oh. He's a hell of a mascot. Well, because I feel like the eye patch is going to give us some edge. Definitely. You know what, having wear eye patches definitely builds character. It's made me stronger. OK. You know, even when I came back on Wild'n Out back in 2021 and whatnot, that was my whole thing for reinventing myself like, you know what, I'm going to do these seasons with an eye patch. So what made you like pivot away from it? Hmm. I was just going, just going raw dog, you know, with the glass eye, you know, for the first like five, six seasons. And then, you know, I just, I felt like when I moved back home from New York, when I moved back home here, I just wanted to, you know, to switch it up a little bit and see what it looked like. And I wanted to know if people would still know it was Jack with an eye patch. Did it change your mind? I think that I look different with an eye patch, y'all. No, I'm aware. Niggas knew it was me the whole time. He thought you was in the sky? I thought I was in the sky. I thought I was in the sky. I thought I was in the sky. Hey, yo, check this out. This is the crazy story of the aircraft. Yo, so I'm on this, I'm on, I'm on, we had lunch, you know what I'm saying? Like, and right in between shows at Wild'n Out. And I got on a, I got on a mask. COVID joint? A COVID mask. And I got on an eye patch. And I got on a hoodie and whatnot. And then Jewel Santana walk in. He said, hey, what's up, Jack? I'm like, what the fuck you doing with me? He said, nigga, this ain't your first season on Wild'n Out. I know if it was anybody with one eye as you. And so I completely felt like I looked like a different nigga. And the nigga had been in jail for a long time too. So I thought I was going to surprise him. Nigga knew it was me. Damn. I think it was like, you know, it starts with the body type. Because it's not a lot of people. Somebody said that my body is different. Like, my body. My body is my body. There's like very few people, like, you know, you can do a silhouette, right? You remember how, like, where Alfred Hitchcock used to come on all this shit? Get the fuck out of here. And it's like, you don't even have to see it. Like, yo, that's Alfred Hitchcock. You know what I mean? Like, you famous enough to be identified by your silhouette. You in a good space. Get the fuck out of here. It's like you, Flavor Flav, and, like, who else? Silhouette, like, just really stand out like that. Wendy Williams. Snoop Dogg. Wendy Williams, yeah, that's a good call too. Yeah. That's funny. Man, you fucking my head up right now, bro. You should play a game with guests when they come through, like, throw some silhouettes of people, but, like, weird niggas, like, yo, which franchise boy is this? But it's just silhouettes. That's all right. Is this Big Sam a little boat for these jobs? That's right. That's the one. Keep people on their toes, man. That's the one, man. Hey, shout out to Big Sam a little boat, man. I got to bring them now that you just said that. Yo, man, they were one of the first Atlanta people I met when I moved to Atlanta. Get the fuck out of here. It's like, yo, I live here now. Like, I met, I met, like, the East Side boy. And I didn't even meet him together like a sec. I met him, like, I met him loose. What are the chances? Slim, very slim. Because usually, like, you got to see the people with the main guy you know them for. But, like, I watched enough of, like, Rap City and all the mother veers like, Big Sam? What are you doing at Costco? Wait, where the fuck you saw Lil Boa at? Probably in front of a gas station or something. I'm probably getting gas or something. Maybe he's coming out with some White House. I don't even know. It was just, like, some random. It was just another one's oh shit moments. Like, part of my welcome to Atlanta pack. Oh, man. Hey, man, I got some charismatic group of people here. Man, they got some great questions for you. What's up, folks? So I'm curious, you have talked a lot about your struggles with mental and that affecting your career, especially with the morning hustle. And you said you took some time away from it. So can you kind of talk about what that kind of did for you and that put you in a more creative space? Oh, yeah. Take a time for your mental or, you know what I'm saying? I didn't even take time away from it. I quit. I love the honesty. Yeah, no, for real, for real. You know, sometimes you've been in a toxic environment. And yeah, I lived in New York. OK, and if you don't love it like that, yes. New York is a pressure cooker that is making a panini out of your ass. The second you step off that plane coming in from LaGuardia or Jammy, right? Yeah. And everything I was doing to try to make it a livable, workable environment for me, I was just getting weird pushback from different directions. And it's just like it got to a point where it's like, hey, listen, I know what my intent is. I know what I come to do every day. I know how creative I am. And I know how far I've gotten doing me. So I'm not going to let somebody who's not me tell me how to do me or stifle my creativity and make some shit that was supposed to be a level up, feel like a prison sentence. And that's where I was getting to. Like when you find yourself like on a Sunday night before you go to work like swinging at the air like Cuba Ben Jr. boys in a hood, you know, that's not some healthy shit. I beat my weed man, a lot of money like buying from him just to like calm and like, you know what I mean? Like, and the crazy thing is like when you think about like mental health and things that you do to pacify it, it's weird because like I did ayahuasca. Really? Before I started smoking weed. Oh, I wouldn't reverse. Like I fought the final stage boss and then went back to level one. You know what I mean? How did you even hear about that shit? So I'm a Big Mike Tyson fan. And he on his podcast was talking about him doing the toad, which is DMT, which you could either like smoke it or... Hold on. And when you say doing the toad, cause when I heard him say that, well, I was thinking that like he like really had a toad from. They extract the venom from the toad. And there's different ways you can get it. But like, I couldn't, I don't trust people enough, especially locally to be like, yo, I got DMT. Like you about to do fentanyl and dye. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like if it ain't weed, I don't trust it and I'm still living on that. You know what I mean? Bruh. 2023? In fact, that's what I bought from one guy and then dispensaries might go out of town and places that happen, right? Hey, my fucking be too adventurous with that shit, but they won't go get the COVID shot. Make it make sense. So I couldn't find DMT and I'm like, well, what's the most natural way we can do it? And it's like, I go to the source ayahuasca. And every time I've seen somebody on a TV show doing ayahuasca, it looks like they're having the worst time ever. And I'm like, well, yo, if I can, if I could talk through that, everything else would be cake. So I had some amazing experiences. I'm going on three ayahuasca retreats and participate in 11 ceremonies. I think I felt like I died once and I had an ego death my very first time. I did it. And it really just taught me to like, hey man, you don't really gotta serve no masters that don't serve you. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, you can fight the good fight and like do what you want and try to push through. But at the end of the day, you keep coming to try to get an answer. And I keep telling you what the answer is. The answer, this shit ain't for you is everybody ain't worth saving in all situations. So after a while, they got to the point where it was time to like, look at can, you know, putting the quarters in the machine to continue the game. And I'm like, you know what? There's not a amount of money you could pay me to keep me doing this and working under these conditions. So man, I'm ghost. Wow. Wow. That's dope, actually. You made the best decision for you. You know what I'm saying? We talked about self-care and all that, but you did that, especially in the industry. And I feel like a lot of people are scared to make moves like that in the industry, even if it means turning that dollar down. So is there anything about that situation that you would change if you could? Knowing what I know, because there was so many things involved behind the scenes and with people who should have been involved that wasn't and who got moved off the chess board. I don't think there was nothing I could've changed because like everything happens for a reason. I was supposed to do that for that duration of time that I did it because like, you know, we was able to do some fantastic things during my three year run over there. Like I became number one at Atlanta for a few books. Was number one at DC, number one in like Richmond and a whole bunch of other cities. So I got what I needed to get out of there. Like I proved I could take a team to the top. You know what I mean? And we could have stayed there longer if y'all would have shut the fuck up and let me do what the fuck I do. You know what I mean? Yo, I'm not gonna fist fight a nigga with my hand handcuffed in my belt loop. You know what I mean? Give me the tools I need to win and give me some people who ain't trying to sabotage it, you know, behind the curtain. So when I know I'm fighting a fixed fight. Bow out. Yeah, you know, in between rounds, I'm gonna dip and go to my car. Hey, you know what's crazy about that, man? Hey, Craig, I always say, but you know, if the fight gonna be fixed, I gotta be the one fixing it. Hello. From here on out, I'm the one that's gonna be cheating. Yeah, you know, somebody once famously said, I don't play no game that I can't win. That's right. I try to play the games that I ain't supposed to win. And sometimes winning is taking the controller. Wrapping it up and going away with it. And at the end of the day, I hope y'all can swim. Mm. You know? Amani, you wanted to say something? Yeah, I was gonna ask, you left the Ricky Smiley Morning Show to do that new project. And so now do you feel like, damn, I left because I'm trying to create something for myself and y'all niggas fucked it up for me? Do you regret I should have stayed? Or everything happens for a reason and everything, but do you feel like, damn, I left a good thing to do this and y'all niggas fucked it up for me? Let me tell you how dope God is, right? So as my contract was ending and there was talks about Ricky going on the adult contemporary side to take over for Tom, I'm thinking it back in my mind, shit. It's 2019, 2020 seemed real good as spiritual. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna take a year off. I'm just gonna tour all 2020 because what could go wrong, right? Yo, the whole world's shut down. And when they threw that opportunity to like start, you know, be a part of a new show, I went with it because like, yo, I would have been fucked up out of here, you know? I think it's like, that's what happened to me. Remember I came to your show and cause I was promoting the Martin tour, I was on tour with Martin. Yup, right, man. Just two fucking shows into it. Then COVID hits, man. And I have finally made it. I'm on tour with Martin Lawrence. 20,000 Cedars, all of them, man. Then fucking COVID, man. But you had let me come up to you your morning show and promote the shit, man. Yo, I can tell you how happy I was at that particular point in that day in my life. Cause I had been working up to that shit. Yo, we was happy to have you and I was happy to see it happen for you because I've seen your journey and seeing everything that you've done behind the scenes to get to the point of where you at now. And even to grow for the podcast situation. Y'all can't see everything, but he was a lot smaller of a room than this one a couple months ago. And to see the growth on that level, man. In the quarter body. Hey man, bet on yourself and always just go for the gusto. So with that being said, I don't think I would have been happy going to an adult contemporary format like that because I still operate with the mentality of a 27 year old and I didn't want to hear the whispers in the morning. You know what I mean? Like I'm still like about this street culture. Like yo, who got a dope record out? And I just didn't want to, I didn't want to be in that suit and tie crowd yet. You know what I mean? So I was like, yeah, I want to still be out here like doing hoodwrestling with my friends. Yeah, I love it. You have to make that move. Yeah, but you know, like, I mean, I think everything happens for a reason. And like, I think if you were to win on that Martin tour, I don't know. I would have blew up. I did two dates and I was getting off stage and I was like, yo, I'm that nigga. And yo, at the end of this year, I'm gonna be rich as fuck. Yo, a TV show is next. My own sitcom. Yo. But like, I don't know, but what if you would have went on that tour, you would have got like Roof Feed by Michelle Wolf or something. Damn. Then there's that, yeah. You know, there's like. Yeah, I didn't think about that. I think everything, and not saying that she's out here roofing people, I'm a big fan of her comedy. Yeah, yeah. But I'm just saying, like, I feel like there's a reason why that didn't pop off the way it was supposed to. And maybe you gotta take the scenic route a little bit longer. Yeah, yeah. So you can really, shit, next time, there's gonna be people trying to get on the Jack Thriller tour. To be honest with you. There you go. He's seeing it now. Look at him. That's a real gun. Man, thanks, here, Craig. Yo, hindsight, right? Yo, there's somebody sitting in a garage or in a basement of their parents' house right now hoping they could come on the Jack Thriller show. And real, real, real talk. You know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of people. It's always a matter of perspective. This is why I love you. This is why I love you, man. Every time I talk to you, you're always a breath of fresh air. They're always upbeat, man. Have you always been the rock for everybody, bro? Always the rock. No, because not everybody is doing dope things. Like, you know, if you was over here fucking up, I'd be like, damn, man, that's where we at, Jack, whatever. You know what I'm saying? In high school, you was the man on me. Shit, yeah. But, I mean, like, at the end of the day, like, I just salute people that continue to push through despite the odds. And the fact that you've always been very transparent. Like, the dopest story that Jack ever told me is, like, I think it was like, you thought two chains were trying to kill. Who was it? You thought it was trying to kill? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, he definitely thought two chains were trying to kill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, most people in this masculine world of hip-hop and comedy and just being ultra-black would never admit that they were afraid for their life. Very true. And the fact that my man is so transparent that everything he'd do is like, yo, I'll fuck with that. You know what I mean? Because he was so upset. And the problem was, I wasn't upset. And I was like, this nigga is going, I'm finna get killed by fucking two chains. And I was honored and terrified at the same time. I mean, at least it was an upper alphabet rapper. You know what I'm saying? And then that's that. Hey, dawg, before Will Smith, it was me. Before Chris Rock, it was me. Yo, and then you like, even like, you know, because I called you for advice when I was getting ready to do the fight. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, you be all right and doing brave shit, man. Yeah, that's right. I got my ass, well, yeah, yeah. So, wait, wait. Boxing match. It was a boxing. Yeah, boxing. But see, you did, you did a celebrity boxing match. I had fought in a BX Fight Club. He fought a real boxer, too, now, though. Underground fight. He fought Kimbo Sliced Junior. Yeah, they would set me up for the Ogidog fight. Come on, you did fight Kimbo Sliced Junior. They got a second round knockdown. Because I put in the fucking work. Like, my kids is in the fucking audience. Oh, yeah, you can't. Like, I ain't gonna get sundered in front of my son. I didn't put in the work. I trained for two hours. I had a slice of pizza before the fight. And a rainbow. Man, that motherfucker beat the mashed potatoes out of me. You were traded for a bar fight. Yeah, yeah, I had that motherfucker for like the first round and a half. And then all of a sudden my arms stopped working and I was like, man, what the fuck? Well, that's what... That motherfucker hit me in my good eye. Oh, no. Yo, like when most people fail to realize about fights, when you think about fights you saw when you was in school and your head, these were like 30-minute epics, like Rocky and shit. In your mind. Most fights be like 47 seconds, you know what I mean? And it's not professional. So when you get into a situation, because even my first time sparring, like I went in there fighting and was getting punched a lot because I was sparring with a boxer. So you realize you don't want to get hit like that again. And the next time you come back to the gym, you figure out, all right, cool, let me do this shit better. And it takes practice and then you build your lungs up to be able to go to distance and all that stuff. Shout out to my trainer Pepper from Pepper Boxing, man, because he prepared me to go toe-to-toe because he was even like, ah, no, don't take the fight, kid. That was like, but yo, I want to do it. How did that come about? Yeah, that's a good one. I'm so like what? It started like in 1990 something when they used to show celebrity boxing matches on Fox. I think, I think Todd Bridges fought Screech. Okay, no, I remember that name. I thought he fought with Vanilla Ice. Nah. I think- You know it's Vanilla Ice. There might have been- Because Screech had whooped somebody else's ass. No, Screech ripped whooped Rorschach. You're right. Yeah. Screech ripped Rorschach. Todd Bridges fought somebody. It wasn't Vanilla Ice. It was Vanilla Ice. I swear. Googling, somebody Googling real quick. She got a whole computer. Huh? Todd Bridges fought Vanilla Ice? Yeah, he whooped his ass. I got- Shout out to in-house Google. That's what's up. Come on, Shay. So watch your nose as I'm a teenager, it's like, y'all want to do this shit one day. And then it went away. And then it came back in the middle of the pandemic. And I'm like, yo, I want to do this shit. Time's running out. If I'm gonna do it, I gotta- I gotta hurry up and do it. Because you get to a certain point in your life where your bones turning to KitKats. Yeah, yeah. So I wanted to do that before everything got brittle. And my manager reached out to Damon who runs Celebrity Boxing. And Damon Felder. Damon Felder. And yo, we got it in. And the game plan was like, I thought I was gonna fight like another radio DJ. And I was even putting the feels out out there, like, hey, man, you want to fight? You know, I was asking, nice to hear. It was like the fight in the Celebrity Boxing match. Y'all know what we're doing for the kids or something. And nobody wanted it, right? And I respect it because it's some crazy person shit. Like anybody over 30 trying to get into the ring to fight for the first time? You're either bored or you like, you've completed all your main missions in life and you're about side quest. Now you tell me. I needed you back in 2016. Oh, man, I would have been like your bag of vans. Like, bro, listen, man, you sure you want to pizza? You know what I mean? I'd have been there. But so after reaching around and like, you know, asking out people that is like, yo, got somebody for you, loving hip hop. I'm gonna leave his name out of it though. So I'm like, hell yeah. So I'm a trained in the fight of six foot two guy. So all my sparring partners are six foot two. You know what I'm saying? Throwing punches with evil intent. But yo, that's what I'm getting good at. Taking them, I'm getting good at blocking them and giving it back. And then that person pulls out of it because they heard about how it was going in the gym. You know? And then people was also making up some shit about, actually you were involved in this shit, Jack. I gotta know, I've got to know. He was in this guy's ear. He was in this guy's ear piping it all. Yeah. I already know what it is. He was piping it all. You know what's great? I was over here like, oh, shit. I didn't get real tempted. Talking about me. It all came together in full circle. But however, I'm glad I didn't have to, because I like him. Yeah, yeah. He's a good dude. Hey, I told him that you was going to beat the stuff in out of that. Do you know who the fuck that is? Yo, head crack don't play. But you know what? You my boy. That was some God level shit you did. Because at the end of the day, I didn't want to fight nobody whose number I had in my phone. Because to throw a punch at another human being, that's a personal thing. Come on, bro. And when people like fight, and even with some of these battle rap situations, like, y'all think he's going to Fridays after this? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, oh, hell no. What are you doing? So when he took him off the table, then it's like, well, damn, who the fuck am I going to fight now? Like, I've already been training for three months. And he started throwing all these other random names at me. There was like some niggas with so little vitamins. And I made nicknames for everybody. Like, there was King vitamin. King vitamin. There was a little bit of cereal. Little Big Head. It was another dude. Holy shit. And then Big Head. And then Damon came through with Kimbo Slice, Jr. And I'm like, yo, but he's a fighter fighter. Like, I watched him mangle some motherfucker in UFC. And I thought about it for like 24 hours. And I'm like, you know what, though? If I fight him and lose, no one expected me to win. Because I'm the guy from this nation. That's right. Who used to fight a lot when he was a kid. But no one needs to know that. But if I do it and win or at least get a knockdown in that classic picture, it's forever. That's right. Like the Ali Liston knockdown. So it's like, all right, don't go in there to kill. Go in there to survive and drain. So I studied his fight tapes and just figured out how he moved, how he keeps his hands, how can I block and defend this. And it all came together. You're like, because I think in the first round, we tripped over each other's feet. Because I'm left-handed. I think he's left-handed too. So that was the only time I really went down. And then in the second round, he was coming in with something. And I just caught him clean. And boom, got the knockdown. Unfortunately, he got back up. And I said, I had to keep it going for another round. In the third round, we was just trying to jab and get it off. But at the end of the day, the streets felt like I won that. But to me, winning was not counting the ceiling lights and just surviving it. Because at the end of the day, I wasn't trying to do it again. Got to pitch it. Pitch is dope. Pitch is in the gym in my basement. Come on, bro. And what is it like for you when you had first got inside that ring, everybody surrounded it? You see all these cameras, and the lights is going crazy. What's going through your mind? It's the most surreal thing ever, because it's like, yo, this is what you built up for. And by this time, I had already did a bunch of ayahuasca retreats and was actually microdosing. So I wasn't afraid. No, I wasn't microdosing. What a fight. That's some crazy shit. But my confidence and my fearlessness level was just through the roof. I wasn't scared at all, because I was in Miami like two days before the fight just to let my body settle and get used to being in a new environment. And I was calm, man. I was calm as a killer. And when it worked out the way it did, they called it a draw. And at the end of the day, like, hey, man, that's good enough for me. That's a win. No, for real. That's a win. That's a win. Every fight I ever lost, I said it was a tie. Hey, let me tell you something. Here, Craig, when I had went and fought this dude at BX Fight Club, it was Craig. Because Remy Ma, she opened up the fight. She came out and came fresh out of jail. And this was her first performance. Fat Joe was there. The whole cast of power. Shaq is goddamn towering over everybody and shit. And I'm the main event that night. I'm in the middle, like, man, what the fuck am I doing? It was like I had an out-of-body experience once I got into the ring. And it was no way to turn back. But if I could do it all over again, I would have definitely pulled my dumb ass out that fucking ring. So when it's all over, out of all those famous people you used to name, who said something to you first? Oh, let me tell you who called me, man. Royce the Five-Nine called me, and he had Eminem on the phone. And he was trying to see if I was all right. Eminem said, hey, man, you should keep on going. You just need to work on your footwork. I don't want to fight no more. I don't want to fight. I don't want to fight. So Fat Joe, who was actually there, said nothing? No, he was laughing his ass off the whole time. He, like, literally fell on the floor. I was doing my thing, like I said, the first round. I'm throwing the dude down and all that shit. He punched him in the shit. I'm going to throw in the wildest stuff. Because I can fight, but I can't box. And it's such a difference. It's a difference. It took me a few weeks to figure that out. I learned how to box after the fight. It's crazy how that works, man. Yeah. It's his level? Yeah. And by that time, because he, what the deal is, what fucked me up, the dude had to touch my retina. And that's why I'm going through this little eye thing right now. Because he hit me in my good eye while I was trying to get my arm up, but I was trying to quit the fight. I'm like, yeah, throw the towel in. Throw the towel in. And the referee kept on asking me, oh, you sure? I said, yes. He said, why? I was like, because this nigga, I'm about to die. I'm about to fucking die. Stop the fight. And while he's, while I'm saying that shit, dude is walking towards me. And it's me in my good eye. And everything turns purple. Everything turns purple. And I think that everything is OK. But it was something that progressed over time and whatnot, because I didn't go get it and treat it right. Because you think you're OK? I thought I was OK. It's like people get into an accident, like, I'm good. You've got a whole concussion. Yes, yes. And so now, because a lot of people were wondering why I was having problems with my eyesight right now. And it's taken me like a year and a half to heal. That's because I had got the treatment later on. And too late, not too late. Yeah, I was way too late. And that's us as a people. Like, we wait till shit is like broken. Yeah. To all the shopping cartwheels on our body are broken before we like go see help, man. Like, man, if you sniffle for more than two days, man, you need to go talk somebody. And mind you, this is the same injury that Earl Spence had. It's a buckle over his eye. He detached retina and all that. That's why the fuck he lost. He couldn't see. They didn't even see it. Like, they'd be talking about all these people. But if they cloned, I felt like they cloned Earl Spence because he was not fighting with himself. I mean, Bud Crawford is that dude. Yeah, he is that dude. Whatever. I just thought I was going to see more from Earl that night. But I think that we might be jumping to conclusions on Crawford being that dude, because they talking about this whole Mayweather situation, Mayweather versus Crawford. I think that's a stretch. You know, I don't care. I know that Mayweather is like 46 years old. But he's still fucking Mayweather. His reflexes, still, I'm pretty sure he can duck all that shit. I mean, if there was ever two people who really deserve to fight each other at this point in their life and career, because I mean, like, Bud. You want to see that? I'm down to watch anybody fight at this point. Even if it's people who don't even box. I just like watching people fight. Really? I get a kick out of it, especially when it's like sanctioned. Because like watching club fights, you know, you got to. I see what you're saying. You know what I mean? But like, I missed the days of like, you remember, like Tough Man? Yes. Yo, I remember one time I went to a Tough Man event. You went? Huh? You went before? Hell yeah. It's where I still live in Dallas. And it took 45 seconds for them to name all the things that this guy in the two-time world, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then the other guy was fighting. He's like, this guy is a bouncer at Club Dada. Yo, the bouncer watched that dude, man. Like, I think his kids left like before. They made sure he was OK. He got fucked up so bad. He was like, shit, man. Like, anybody could get it, you know what I mean? Like, if you know what you're doing, and I just like watching unprofessional people. I like watching, yeah, like, not professional people fight. It's fun. How did you get into just on a pivot? Let's go. I want to, because I know you got to go and whatnot. Oh, I'm in. What's your origin story, your origin superhero story of becoming a radio personality? All right, so the year was 19, no, 2000. And on a diet. Yeah, 2000 on a diet. I mean, let's go even before that. I'm sorry, I jumped ahead. When I was in high school, there used to be a stage called 100.3 Jams. And they had this contest where like, if you won their Know Your History rap contest, you won like $1,000 in studio time at this studio, where the time was like $35 an hour. But what they failed to tell you is because it was a promotional contest. Now the rates were $70 an hour. So I thought I had way more time than I did. Well, yeah, but anyway, we won that contest and then I knew where the radio station was. So then they started doing this thing called the roll call. You can call up and like, you know, the people would be like, what's your name, where you calling from, who's on the roll call about to get dumped. And people would say their name and something about themselves, right? So one day I was like, I'm gonna call up, but I'm gonna diss the person that went before me and I'm gonna say something about the person about the rap next that they won't even be prepared for. So I used to just be just zinging them and zinging them. And then it got to a point where they started giving out prizes for it. So I started winning so many prizes on a roll call. It's like, yo, we're not mailing it to you no more. Come get it. So I would go up to the station and get it. And then when I go up there, it'd be like, yo, wanna go on the air or Easy Street? I'm like, hell yeah. Easy Street is like a great, a legendary radio personality who's in DC now. And so I'm hanging out with Easy Street and Lisa Lisa and some other people from like that pocket of time. And this planted the seeds and people up there knowing me, like Russ Parr who's like, you know, another like super talent. And a few years that summer, I was gonna graduate from high school and start interning up there. Like, if I graduated June 2nd, the station flip format's June 3rd and went to like adult contemporary R&B. And like, so there went my internship, right? But years later, a new station came in town. Me and my homies was at a party. He was like, yo, there's this radio station. You don't got no DJs. Yo, let's go to the studio and make a tape and act like this is what our show sound like. We turned the tape in and he's like, yo, y'all wanna be our night show? And the rest was history. We had to be in the havin', we had to like doing all types of crazy contests and stuff and it just sucks because it wasn't the era. YouTube came out a little bit after we got the ball rolling. And by the time YouTube became a big thing, I had left that show. They took me from that show and put me with Ricky to do mornings. So a lot of the dope shit that we did didn't really get properly documented. I got the cassettes. I guess I could run it. Like we did this whole thing one time where we like, we promoted it for two weeks. It was like, if Poc died in 96, 2003, it was a seven-year anniversary of Tupac's death. We took an old interview at Tupac, we talked about poetic justice and edited all the questions out. It made it sound like he was talking about like, now shit. And we promoted for two weeks. That on a seven-year anniversary of Tupac's death, we gonna talk to him on the radio. And the station was in a mall. So we put these curtains up that night and shit. Yo, there was niggas outside with candles and stuff. Like in like two Poc signs and everybody thought it was real and they would call it in like, yo, can we please talk to Poc? Can we please talk to Poc? And we was asking questions like, yo, so Poc, man, all that time you was hot. Now, what was you thinking about? Jenna Jackson, Jenna Jackson, Jenna Jackson. Oh my God. Because these were all poetic justice-related questions and stuff like that. So it all fell in line and worked out. And I'm like, damn it, man, if this was the era of, if we would have did this five years later, yo, we would have went down in history like the people who did the slap contest on Hot 97. Because like, yo, they was really, they was really excited and overjoyed that night. But niggas was calling us all types of names the next day. But they got over it. They got over it. Because we let them down easily. He's like, yeah, you know. This was their Arsenio Hall interview too, right? No, this was like with some foreign media company that did an interview with Tupac at some point. And Craig, I downloaded that interview off a kaza. Just didn't- I feel like I remember this story as a child, like when I'm in middle school or something. I feel like I remember it too like a mother. Yeah, I remember this story. But I didn't know that was you. That's crazy, man. You a jack of all trades, though. Yeah, man, it's dope if they would have mentioned us by name. The more people could have knew. But, you know, but I'll take it. I'll take it. This is like around like 2002. No, it was like the seven year anniversary. So Pog died in 96. This had to be like 2003. Something like that. I remember this something like that. I remember something like that around that time. Word. And everybody would kept promoting it. And it was like, oh my God, Tupac just did an interview. And everybody was talking about that shit at school. I remember that. That's crazy. It was us. Hey, Crack Super K, you know, just show. Yeah, man. Like that was like probably like by defining. But we used to do all types of dope stuff. You know, like we had so much power being on at nights and not being syndicated because we're just talking to one group of people. So we would get off the air at 10 and we'd be like, yo, listen. Everybody's been riding with us all night. We're going to be in Arlington in like 30 minutes in front of Jack in the Box. We're all black. And we'd go out there and buy everybody jumbo jacks. Like, you know, we would just do stuff like that just to like organically mix it up with the people and just be in the flow. And like, I love that because it just allows you to have a relationship with the listeners that sometimes being syndicated, you can't. You kind of got to be generic. Like if people see you, they see you. But when you want to one city and you could really have an up close and personal relationship with your listeners, it hit different. Like I've never really been a fan of like syndicated radio. Even though syndicated radio made me famous sonically in a lot of cities I didn't live in. But I feel like the stars really need to be the people who live in them cities that really talk the talk and go to that mysterious chicken joint that got weird hours and is not open on Tuesday. You know what I mean? Like who know those true stories? Like if the mayor and Philly get shot, nine times I tell you on syndicated show, you can't talk about it unless you got shot by a rapper. You know what I mean? So I think sometimes syndication loses some of that. And I think that's part of the reason why radio is kind of losing its way because they're trying to like find some cheap ways out and outsourcing and syndicating people and not just paying people with their work to handle individual markets. That's my rant. I like to say that because everybody thinks that syndication is like king 10, but they don't really touch on effective. When you just syndicate it, it cuts out a lot of the cultural, you know, gap that you're bridging with radio. Yeah, I think it's cute when you think that you get paid your base salary times the many amount of markets that you happen to be on. Like it may change your bonus structure, but it's not like I like, and I'm just throwing numbers out there, right? Let's say if you got paid $2 to do Morning Radio in Atlanta and now you pick up Baltimore, you're not necessarily gonna get $4 because you got Baltimore now. You might get $2 and 15 cents because they throw something in your bonus structure to where like if you get number one in this market, then you get that in the third. And maybe at some point it was like that. I definitely don't. I did too. And so I started working for the place I work at. We was working at, you know. Dig, dig. So where does the break come from? Like, you know, you keeping your head down and you working on your craft and whatnot. And then, but you having fun at the same time. Like how do you, how do you like this muscle through wanting to be on top and when does it happen? I mean, it never stops. I don't, I don't know when I don't, I don't even know what success looks like to be honest with you. Cause there's a lot. And the same thing where like you, you feel like you're not where you want to be. There's a lot of people look at you and be like, man, Jack, throw it out here, doing it, you know, 50 cents. Like, you know, smash the porn star too. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, people would have lived your life. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? But I never felt like I made it. Even when I, like when I first, even when I was working at Motown Records, my grandmother was so fucking proud of me. I'm proud of you. I'm just thinking about it now. Like, God damn. But I felt there was always more. And then more became, I run a street team company and I promote for all these different companies. And I always felt that there was more. Then I ended up working for EMI. And then I, but the industry is changing. Because people are bootlegging and downloading. There's not going to be a lot of money here after a while. And then I got in the radio and then it's like, damn man, I'm on the radio. I must be dead. You know, there's no way I'm on the radio. I didn't go to school for this shit. And me and my homies made a fake tape and got on the radio. This shit ain't gonna happen. Get out of here. This ain't smoke, huh? Or fluke? Preparation meeting opportunity. Because one thing that I was good. You guys were good, huh? You guys were good by accident. I mean, I think we were good by accident, but also too, like going back to ayahuasca retreat stuff. One thing it told me is like, I, you know people talk about time travel and shit like that. Yeah, yeah. Time is a line. That's why they call it a timeline. Everybody in this room, they've already lived. You've already died. It's already all happened. What you could do is you could meditate and you could talk and communicate to your younger self to prepare yourself for shit that you'll have to deal with when you're older. I don't know why I was four years old watching entertainment tonight. I don't fucking know why. I should have been watching cartoons, but my older self told me, hey man, know these white people. This might come in handy, Dish Nation. Yo. You put me on right now, bro. Yo, man. You're making me, you're answering a lot of questions for me. I mean, there's a lot of things that we don't understand about how our minds work. How the universe works. And it's all preparing you. You don't even know. Yeah, I think the best example of it is that movie Slumdog Millionaire. They thought this nigga was cheating. But nah, everything that prepared him to win was things that he dealt with in his real life. So as you sit in your adult life, sometimes you gotta close your eyes, turn your phone off, and just really just meditate and just try to communicate with your younger self, just to mentally prepare for yourself. Man, we can get so deep with this shit, man. Anybody watching this show, Google Dimension Jumping. It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. And it's scary. Because if you start doing it, your life will change. And not everybody wants their life to completely change. And you have to be prepared for that when it does. I haven't fully even dove into it because I don't want to come home one day and I have four daughters instead of four sons. But it's real. There's been times where I've limped into Sway in the morning. But before I went in, I asked for the universe to give me the healthiest version of myself so I could walk in there and do this freestyle with no problem. And it gave it to me. Got in the cab, looked back to my Airbnb because I was in pain because I had this chronic ankle issue. But, man, the mind and the shit that we are capable of as people is fucking fascinating. And I think we only know 3% of what we're capable of pulling off because we're so distracted because we think technology is phones and shit. Technology is learning what your brain will do. Chew the more you know rainbow. So is there any part of your journey that you think so far you would change? I wouldn't change anything. I feel like everything happened the way it was supposed to happen. You know what I mean? Like, oh, man, what if I stayed with The Night Show? And because I was why I was having the most fun because I'm literally doing radio with my best friends. But I don't know if I would have ascended as fast or if the company would have risked putting us three on in the morning because there's a lot of companies that feel like we have to put a famous person on in the morning because everyone knows that famous person. And it's cool, it works, but it's also lazy. There's a lot of talented people who are doing big day shifts that don't tell jokes, haven't been in a movie and don't make music. And they deserve that shot. But I wouldn't change nothing, man. Like, yo, I ended up doing everything that I wanted to do and now I'm having this second childhood where I'm out here like hanging out way past my bedtime on a school night doing stand-up, which is scary and some shit I thought I'd never would do. And why is a stand-up scary for you? Because it's really easy to memorize words that rhyme and jokes are jokes. And not everybody finds everything funny because there's some people that people think are hilarious and there's some people, well, I don't fucking get it. Then there's that, then there's that. You 100% right. And so you still get like super nervous at this particular point in your stand-up career? I did my first 10-minute set about a week ago. How was that? It was dope. Like, I smashed, right? Duh, you are natural. You do this shit all the time on the radio. Well, thank you for believing in me. But sometimes I think you have to have just a little bit of nervousness just so you know you a lot. Yeah, it keeps you real with the situation. Yeah, because I think if you get too nonchalant with certain things, you go in there and you ain't prepared for the scenario. Hey, Crack, what about when you're performing as an artist, like doing music and your songs and stuff, is you get nervous for that or you think that's easier than doing stand-up? Definitely easier. Definitely easier. I do get a smidge nervous because sometimes depending on where you rockin' at, if it's like a mixed room, right? Because the musical landscape is all over the place right now. Yeah. You'll have somebody rappin' about what they pussy can do and then you rappin' about investing and property and stuff like that. Like, everything hit always for every room. That's true, that's true. Remember one time, me and my homies, my group, the Bodega Brothers, man, we opened up for Rick Ross in Dallas and like, yo, I'm on stage with a shirt that said, Never So Dope and like, Rick Ross. Oh my God, this was definitely your audience. Excuse me, yo. My man was like, especially that year, was exclusively rappin' about the sale of Distribution of Cold Cake. There was chicks in the audience who had beards like Rick Ross. You know what I'm sayin'? The fandom was on that high of a level and I ended up like battling with someone in the crowd who was just like, you know, he was like, I didn't like his energy, you know what I'm sayin'? Like, he was like kinda hecklin' and shit. And like, I took my focus off the whole show just to focus on this one motherfucker that was being extra. Let's try to be hot. It was being extra in the crowd. However, sometimes you could get distracted and you were doing fine. It's almost like how like, you know, 100 people could tell you, or 99 people could tell you, you doin' great, you killin' shit. But that one person who got something fucked up to say, you gotta focus and zero in on that, let that ruin your day. And I think that's like the only really time I had like a really bad go at it. And then when I looked at the video of it later, I was like, damn, these niggas was actually into what we were doing. And I let my man, I let that one person take me off my shit, you know? So that was really, yeah, really it. But like, yeah, I get nervous cause I care. I'm curious how you compare your content for comedy, like they use. You write, so like, what I used to do, I used to just write one sentence down and that one sentence was like, the whole joke in premise to me. But then I started going to a writing class where it taught me how to take that one sentence and flesh it out into a full set because I didn't know how to write. I just knew like, yo, I know this one sentence is funny and the premise that exists in this sentence is funny, but okay, how do I flesh that out? So it is a work in progress too. Cause I mean, I'm still not, I'm not on Jack's level, but I'm working, right? So you, you pass me, bro. Get out of town. Like Martin Lawrence didn't like, Martin Bashir might ask me to go on tour, but not Martin Lawrence, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, cause like, you know, you still got to like work on that stuff. Like where it's like, ah man, there's too many words in this joke. Let me economize it, make it easier to digest. So I'm still like working certain things out, but I'm excited about the journey. I feel like I only had one off night so far, like, you know, in this comedy space. And it's like, I think everybody has to have that off night. So you know what it feels like. Of course. Yeah. Oh yeah, man. That's when you know you alive when, you know, you got a room full of people booing the shit out your ass. Yeah. There ain't nothing like that. It's just like somebody's putting that thing that the people later on, you're just, whew. Shit. Sometimes they just boo you with their silence. You know what's funny about that? People, a lot of my comedian friends say that they rather that that's worse than getting booed is the whole silent treatment. I'd prefer, I've been booed so many times in my life. What? Yeah. Why the hell yeah? I was one of the heavyweight booed champions of the answer. Back in 03, 4, 5, and a little bit of 6 and whatnot. But I would come back the next night like it wasn't shit. What? You know what I'm saying? Until you're gonna have good nights, you're gonna have bad nights. Good nights, bad nights, good nights, bad nights. But that's how you find out what's really funny. True, true. You know what I'm saying? And so you're just constantly editing and just figuring that shit out. You gotta work until it works. There's really no blueprint to it, but I love what you was talking about just now because that's what everybody needs to do, that wants to do it too, is find out the fundamentals and take a class and everything and some structure. But then that goes, you gotta also align that up with some consistency and commitment. And some people you can trust that you can bounce ideas off of it or you're like, yo, yeah, that sure ain't funny, man. Or like, yo, what if you said it like this? You know what I mean? Like, I think a lot of times, especially like amongst us, you know what I mean? Sometimes we feel like we're in competition with each other where we really should be building with each other to like, you know, make each other dope. Steel sharp and steel, you know what I mean? Yeah. So like, so in this class that I took, I got a crew of people I go hang out, hit these open mics with and it's cool to have adult friends that don't rap. Right? That shit's awesome. The whole dimension of life. Yeah. Like I got like rap friends I go hang out with and I got friends that don't rap and like to drink and I like to watch them get drunk. It's fun. Yeah. So you got a plan on handling hecklers from now on because you talk your board out loud. No, I'm definitely still going to give it to the hecklers because like, you know, when you watch a great comedian handle a heckler well, like shout out to my man LaVar. I watch him. Oh, LaVar Walker, yeah. Yo, I watched him extract a person's soul. Yeah. It's an art. In an audience one time it was a beautiful thing. And even when you look at vintage DL when he used to do comic view and all that. Amazing. It's like, yo, I don't even want to hear your jokes fam. Talk about that nigga in the third row. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, but it's weird because like I don't like being snapped on but I do like rebuttling. You know what I mean? Which is like why I used to like battle rap so much. Not the battle rap when like I know I'm going to battle you in three months and I have like a week to like look up your ancestry.com and shit but like that freestyle shit where like you just said something to me and I like just like boomerang some shit right back to you. I love that shit because like I used to get snapped on a lot. So it made my defenses like very high. Wow. But yeah, but like I'm sensitive so I don't like getting snapped on. I like getting snapped on. I think that it's funny to me because I'm always looking for some shit that you saying about me. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna need that. I'm gonna need that. I'm gonna put that in my shit. Okay, okay. This is kind of like my joke since you saying it about me. True. Yeah, I'm gonna need that. Yeah, I'm taking all that shit. You get exclusive rights because you are the source of materials. Like I'm gonna go write a biography about you. It's my story. I deserve the rights. Yeah, exactly. Intellectual property. Yeah, that's that's what my that's that's how I look at people will like make it be the butt of jokes and shit like that. I don't take it personally at all and everything. I think that that's one of my superpowers. Fifty used to say that, you know, you can't really say anything about Jack Duller because he's bulletproof. He says when you just know him saying comfortable with yourself all the way around. You know what I'm saying? And yeah, I love a good eye joke. I love a good fat joke. Or I'm trying to look, I'm looking for something that's great. I get pissed off with somebody saying this lazy ass shit that they heard somebody else say, you know what I'm saying? This is the last one you heard that like really floored you like, damn, that was new. I heard that one before. Ah, let me see. Um, DC Young Fly. And he's a Jedi. He's a Jedi. Yeah, definitely. He was saying that the battery was low on my good eye. He said, he said, he did it because it was red, it was real red on this episode of Wild N' Wild. And he said, your battery getting no good. Say, somebody get a charger for Jack I. Yeah, it's hard to bounce back from that one. Yeah, that needs to be in your book. Yes, yeah, he's amazing with it. Carlos is like, oh, he's crazy with it too. Yeah, I mean like Steel Sharp is still, man, like anytime you win like a group of creators and they cook it up, like I remember like, like DC Young Fly was like the bane of my existence on the episode of Wild N' Wild that I did, because like I did like three different things, right? And they do that, I think it's called joking off or whatever, like. Yeah. And like, so they put me up against DC and everything he said was really funny and everything I said was just really mean. So like, so instead of people laughing, everybody's like, oh. Yeah. All right, listen, you're never gonna win against DC. Yeah, I learned that in real time. You know what's one of the things that DC got? Man, DC has mastered the art of this walking and just being himself. He ain't even got to do nothing crazy at all and motherfuckers just start busting out laughing. So you lost before you started anyway. Yeah, but I was confident because I believed in myself. But you probably weren't smiling. You probably weren't smiling. You probably was looking mad in the motherfuckers. I wasn't mad because I knew what it was. I'm like, well, damn, they got me fighting. It's like when you play Punch Out, and if you never played it before and you go straight to Mike Tyson using the code and shit, it's like, fuck, you know what I mean? But like, but I made up for it in the rap shit at the end. Okay, that's what you excel at right there. That's what I came for. Like, damn, you threw me in this extra shit. Like, I only came to run the 400 and they come to the shot put. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I definitely fucked up some games while I was going a little bit too hard and in the jugular zone and whatnot. Like, damn, Jack, come the fuck down. I had got voted to be the most violent person on Wildland out of the shit by accident. Sometimes you bring a gun to a paintball fight. Yeah. It's like, oh, shit, I didn't know this. Yeah, yeah. Like, Jack, are you okay? Yeah, I'm sorry, man. I thought this was, this is Wildland out. It ain't Def Comedy Jam. You got to, you know, you got to kind of tone it down to make it fun. Right. You got to make it fun. You don't want to leave it a suicide note in the dressing room and shit. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, my shit be like a little bit too goddamn dark something. That's why your parents left. I did some shit like that, yeah, yeah. Well, it was just one thing I had said on Wildland out about, I forget, it was a, it was just like a bad discharge joke. It was so fucking nasty. To everybody that was on the set was just like, ah, ah, ah, people in the audience like, ah. So it was a, it was a, it was like a unanimous thing that it was so fucking, it was disgusting. And I'm like, damn, I ain't gonna make the fucking cut on this shit. But it ended up making the show. Say what? They made the show and they made everybody that was saying this shit, that said, ah, like bust out laughing and the joke went over. The power of the edits. The power of the edit, yeah. Man, listen. Gosh, I can't remember what the fuck that shit was, but that shit was funny as fuck. But yeah, man, what you got going on right now, bro? So listen, man, I got this variety show thing I do called Results May Vary. It's a mixture of comedy, hip-hop, and a game show. Like if you put them all in a blender and survive. We got one coming up about a time as years had already happened. But we did the first one in September. T.I. came through as a pop-up. It was dope, sold out two shows and we didn't even tell them that anybody special was coming. They just came on a gris of it. People fuck with you though, bro. Your movie premieres be amazing too. You still do that? When they get the call, you know, like people's budgets a little off right now, right, it's strike, you know? Still happening. Everybody's like trying to like, you know, look in the couch cushions for money these days. So it's kind of crazy. But you know, so there's that. I got a new single out right now called Buck Wilde featuring Method Man and Cool Keefe. Oh, shit. That record is out there. We just cracked 100,000 plays on Spotify. Come on, Grant. So that means I'll make $5? Yeah. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Definitely. Not that bad. It's pretty awful. $525. I wish more people believed in Tidal, but, you know, because they pay more, you know, but, you know, yeah. But there's that. So, and then also on Silver Cool Keefe right now, we're going to be in New York mid-November. Okay. And just really just trying to hit more of these mics and just, you know, just do this comedy thing, do this music thing, but taking an acting more seriously. I may or may not have just shot a movie seen a week or two ago. You know what I mean? Depends on when it's airs. The strike was over when we shot it. The writer strike is over, but the actor strike is still on? Yeah. Depends on when it's airs. Got you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all right. My bad. Yeah. We may have talked about a movie, but I'm just outside doing it all, man. Like cutting the anchor that had me tethered on the first half of my day has freed me up to be a human again. In a way that I haven't been able to be in a long time. Yo, I got to take my kids to school. And they're just as terrible in the morning as my wife told me they were. I had no idea. I thought she was making a shit up. It's true. It's fucking true. But you can experience it now. I get to experience it. It's like, okay, yeah, I get it. That's why you had that look in your face when I come home. I get it. You know what I mean? So, to be able to experience just those little milestones that like having your head down and working for the master, you know, took away from me. You know, like I get to go back and experience that and live it again. And just be able to have fun, man. I'm so much freer. It's like, yeah, when you work for money, money's always going to be your motivation to do things. But when you work for the intent of what you're doing, it means more when everything comes through. Yeah. A prostitute told me that. Hey. Oh, my God. Look at him. You know where it is. Hey, did you ever like, you know what I'm saying? Deliver that message I needed you to deliver to the brand? I feel like it did and she laughed. But not like laugh at you like, ha, ha, like she laughed. Cause I think you probably also tried to deliver that message in person a couple of times. Yes, I did. And you see where she ended up, right? Yeah, I saw where, yeah. She might've been pregnant when I gave her the message. You know what I mean? So it seemed like that train had already left the station and it'd be hard to get it to go backwards and come back. Okay. So it's over for us, you know? I mean, unless something crazy happens and I like them together, man. I do too. And you know what? You want me to tell you something wild shit? What's that? I tried to highlight, what's her name? Judy too. Okay. Like back in seven, she came to my show, Party and Bullshit. I used to have this show called Party and Bullshit in Atlanta in New York and whatnot. She was a guest on that show. And you know, of course I had like 30 female co-host on there at the time. And so she, in her mind, she think I'm fucking all the bitches and then stuff, so I'm kicking it to her. And then she had called me like, what do you want from me? Tell me, what do you want? I'm like, I'm trying to highlight you. What's going on? Blah, blah, blah, blah. And she said, no, you got too many girls around you and blah, blah, blah. And then in the future, I see her get on that, that her and the brat hookup and whatnot. I was like, damn, I didn't try to highlight both of these girls are too different. And these motherfuckers didn't found each other. I think it was something about my advances that brought these ladies together. You're kind of like the relationship whisperer. Yeah, and keep in mind, you know that clip that I had sent you with me talking about getting brat pregnant? This was back in 2013. Yo. I called it. It seems like you have a type. You should actually highlight Queen Latifah and just go like that. Trifecta. Yo, man, reach for the stars. It's a matter. In football, they call it a two point conversion. Jesus. Hey, guys, a little bit. Everybody get one more. Everybody got a question for you. Ben, for you. Because I know you got to go do some more famous. So you don't miss radio? I do miss it. OK, because I miss the people. You back on this, though, right? I never left. OK, they have to kill you off that show. That's TV, right? That's my radio. Oh, I thought it was a radio. So it started with the presentation that it was radio shows on TV. But then when you started having non-radio people on there kind of involved in something else, like, hey, Porsche ain't on the radio. She's up here. You know what I mean? So it morphed from what it was in season one to where we are in season 12 now. So yeah, now I'm still doing this nation, love doing that. Everybody over there is dope. But I miss the people that I would talk to through the radio more than I miss radio and the politics of it. Because when you come up there and you like passionate, you like music, and you like things that make sense, radio sucks because they do a lot of shit that don't make sense. And then wonder why radio is dying. It's like, yo, read the signs. Read the room. I got a question for you, too. Once seeing you say you think doing radio hurt your music career, do you think that now that you're not doing radio right now is the perfect time to get back doing your music? Well, yeah. I know you said you got your new stuff going on, but that's what I'm saying. You think that you can kick down this door now that you're not doing radio anymore? I think it'll be a smidge easier. I think there's probably a company that probably wouldn't play my music, but it allows me to go on tours more and not necessarily be tempted to a place that I've got to be five days a week. Because a lot of things are so political. If you work for this company, there are certain stations that won't play you because you're on the competition station. And I think that's so stupid. Because I'm going to be even on my show. Young Jock got some of the biggest records that came off that first album. And there was situations where they're like, yo, why are you playing Young Jock's song? You know, he's on the same time you are. So what you're trying to tell me, Mr. Smart Radio Man, is because I played it's going down. Niggas is going tune out. And then go to the other station because he's over there talking. You stupid fuck. You know what I mean? Like, yo, a joint is a joint, a jam is a jam. You hold them hostage with your content. People are so smart they retarded. Keep your heart, princess. Keep your heart. Yeah, man. So yeah, this frees me up a little bit more to run full speed and work different pockets. Because now the game is playlist more so than radio. I mean, yeah, getting your song played is great. But are you really making those kind of joints? Because I'm not talking about what my pussy can do. It's a different type of playlist, though. I'm pretty sure every record you got is going to be a playlist that fit that record. Absolutely. So that's why I try to diversify and make different types of joints. So like, oh, you just make boom bap. Like, no, I got that. I got records for the chicks. I got an Afro Beats record. I got shit you can do yoga too. I got records you can fire taxes too. You got to have a diverse palette. Like, why be the 12 box of crowns when you could be the 246 box? Yeah. Have four blues in there. There's more colors. Yeah. I like colors. You're a really big philanthropist and being on community service. Which of all the things you've done are you most proud of doing when it comes to helping the community? Just showing up when people throw the bad signals up, man. Like, any time there's something for kids or like, go talking to schools and stuff like that, man, it's not like I'm there, you know what I mean? And there's a lot of relationships that I still have to this day because of, like, a kid I came and spoke to. I remember one time I went to, I think it was Onyx. And I was getting a lap dance. And the girl that was giving me a lap dance is like, hey, you came and spoke at my school. Wait a minute, Jesus. And I was like, I probably didn't speak long enough. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. However, she remembered that, you know what I mean? And she remembered the things I said there that day. Like, hey, man, you can do anything. You put your mind to. You can start your own business. She was shaking her ass and she was motivated. Yeah, like I was looking. I was reading her back tattoos while she was twerking on me. And as she turned around, like, hey, you know, at that point, Tom, you came and spoke at my school. And I was like, where? How long ago was this? Eight years ago. It's like, where? What did I say? She's like, yo, you can start your own business and you can use your mind to make whatever money you want to make in life. You just got to just, you know, just be good at it. Work hard. And here I am working. I'm like, OK, that's what's up. That's tantrum. Only got one dance. I didn't do a second one. It made it weird. It made it weird. Oh, man, so did you $100 later? No, no, no. Like, I like, I hate strip clubs. Me too. Yeah. Yo, there was what I, me and my friends, referred to as the Vegas Incident. And that was like my last time. Oh, my god. Yo, like, I spent. The house always wins. Every time. Every time. That's the reason why. That's the only reason why. Otherwise, it's a wonderful place to meet people. It is of all different walks of life. Yes. I met a British Puerto Rican. Wow. That accent was wild. Yes. Do it. Do it. Do it. Ha, ha, ha, ha. But yeah, man, just, yo, talking to the kids, man. Like, that's my thing, man. Because like a lot of times I feel like parents be absentee. And they don't have nobody to talk to them and tell them how shit really is. I remember I used to go to schools and be like, yo, some of y'all are going to go to jail. I mean, it's a reality. It's a true reality. You know the ones. You gotta be real. Yeah. And the thing is, like, don't be that one. Yeah. You know, figure it out, move right. Then there's that. Yep. Yep. 100%. Your kids, are they interested in being in a business? In various degrees. Like, my oldest son, he's like, you know, he's fired with a camera, be doing edits, doing like sneaker-related content, stuff like that. My 11-year-old. He going to be like a shwami or something. He like, this dude is a magical kid. Like, I feel like he sees dead people. Like, he's just an interesting guy. Like, all these weird abilities that I have, that I have to meditate, he just has it. Like, this kid is a rainbow kid. Then my eight-year-old, well, he's nine now, already got bail money set aside for him. It is what it is. You know your kids. You know your kids. Just like, you know, like, how could I tell a group of kids, one of y'all going to go to jail, and you don't see the young kids. I know what it is. Yo, my man has been missing a front two since the fucking summer. Like, he got the look. He got the look. Like, yo, who did it? And they pointed the kid missing a tooth. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, it's going to be hell, man. Just don't put the silver teeth in his mouth. I'm not going to put the silver teeth in his mouth. I refuse. All the bad kids got silver teeth. All of them, because their parents don't talk so long enough. And then I got a five-year-old who, I don't know, man, was staying in shape so we could fight later. Because he gives me the worst time. Like, yo, he be stomping. I told him to do something yesterday. He's pissed off about it. He holed up an L. Wow. I was like, yo, man, I wish I could find something soft enough to hit you with right now. What's the best part of being a father, man? Being a father. All of it. Because every experience I have with each one of my kids is different. Like, when it was my oldest, I raised him since he was three. You've been with me. So it was like, Adam Sandler and Big Daddy. Because even when he was three, I talked to him like he's 18. So I talked to him tough, you know what I'm saying? He ain't never had no problems. His biggest fear is disappointing me. Crazy thing, going back to the dog thing. I have never seen my oldest cry as a double digit human, right? He was crying when we went to go see my dog at the hospital because I felt like it was my fault what happened happened. And I still feel like it was my fault what happened happened, right? But he loved me so much that he felt like it was his fault because he didn't come home. He went to his girlfriend's house instead. You know what I mean? So his thing is like. If I went with that bitch. I should have been there for you, Lucy. Yo, for him to want to catch that bullet for me when it is definitely my fault, man, like, yo, man, I let that kid to the moon and back. And like, I know that's the kind of love he has for me. Never want to disappoint me. So the greatest part is just like being there and just experiencing everything that everybody is. Like my 11 year old, he's a space cadet. He's the worst getting dressed in the morning. My eight year old, this kid is insane. But yo, like crazy thing. Like we had to flee so many places. Like when we hear a kid cry and I look and I see him coming through fast. So I'm like, all right, cool, right now. Yo, I call him 10 minutes or less, because if you fuck with him, he's going to get back at you in 10 minutes or less. Like he may not like hit you back or get back at you right then and there. He's going to step away for a second. He's going to figure it out. And then he's going to come back and do something. And we on the move. And the crazy shit is like, I was just saying, well, he's a kid. So like, I get it. But all my kids don't got it. He got that part of me. My 11-year-old got the optimism. My 23-year-old got the hustle and grind. I'm proud of him. I went to one semester of college. He graduates. My oldest graduates in like a month or two. I'm amazed. And my five-year-old, let's go try to keep him alive. I named him after my favorite boxer, and he gives me the toughest time. His name is Tyson. Tyson Peace. He's not peaceful. Wow. He's not peaceful. You ever met Tyson? Yeah, yeah. Did you tell him that? No, I haven't met him since I had the kid. Got you. And because the first time I met him, I said something equally dumb. So I had to like, because the very first time I met him, I met him at a Yale Haiti benefit. This is like when Haiti had a bad earthquake. So it was like me, Ricky, and a bunch of other people. We went down to Florida. They was like, had different celebrities, man, and the phones and shit. So we was part of that crew. And I ran into Mike Tyson. And I've been wanting to meet this kid. This guy my whole life. And I walked up to Mike Tyson and I said, yo, I use you a lot and fight night. Ha. You didn't want a video game? Because it was like, I didn't want to come in. Yeah, like, how does it feel to be the champ? Or like, you know, like, yo. I'm not mad at that, bro. I'm really not mad at that. Word. And then I ran into him again at Comic-Con. And we had a better conversation. And then I ran into him another time in Vegas, but he was just like signing stuff. So it was like real sticky move. We took some pictures and kept it pushing, man. But it's dope. They say don't meet your heroes, but sometimes it's cool when you do. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't think I've had a bad experience with a celebrity before. Oh, yeah. I never mind. Who was it? Like, they Google it. Man. And it's not something we talked about earlier. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that was it. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, that was it outside of that. But yeah, I think that we're in a good space now. He didn't block me. Yeah, so that's a good sign, right? Yeah, sometimes they don't block you, so they can see what you're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, 100%. I'm still scared. Hey. I want to be friends. Yeah. Is there anything you want to say to New Jack through the city, man, before we get out of here, my boy? Yo, man, continue to support my homie right here and his platform and his amazing crew right here. Man, like, the energy has been love. You know, a shot to the DJ, a shot to everybody you can't see behind. It's like 27 people on the other side of the camera. Get out of here. Yo, it's lit. Oh, man. But, yo, man, be sure you follow me on all social media, HEAD, KR, ACK. If you fuck with the music, yo, it has been statistically proven that people who listen to my music live five days longer than people who listen to other stuff. I'm on that Spotify. I'm on that iTunes music. I'm on Deezer. I'm on Napster. I'm on SoundCloud. Napster. Yeah, yo, Napster paid the second most out of everybody. Who the hell are Napster still around? But the Napster's subscriptions are high as crap. That's why they give us so much money back. Yeah, because they're, like, big overseas. We just get Spotify and all that other stuff thrown down our throat. But, yeah, like, yeah, Napster, I have pain with they wearing, but I have not been in America and be like, yeah, you pull up a Napster and there's a Bluetooth. Like, nah, it's always the other stuff. But it is what it is, man. But you'll follow me on all those platforms, tap on in, and also hit me on YouTube as well. But there it is, man. Yo, y'all give it up for HEAD, Craig with Motownless. Take some pictures. OK. With you next time, new Jack Thrillers in. Let's go! Yeah. Wee boo. Wee boo. Wee boo. Wee boo. Wee boo. And the old Jack.