 have you back to this or a show think that wise human human architecture this being or 312 show and this is our 11th and final time at least we are intending that to talk about membrane Lahaina so all of us coming together and it's primarily us three inviting all you are watching which is you Martin Ancelini up there in Manoa hi Martin. Hello. And it's you to sort of brown up in your diamond head volcano sort of hello and and it's me Martin this bang on as close as possible to you and why key on its edge facing the park that separates us. So we want to this is Thanksgiving week so Thanksgiving edition we want to give thanks to who at least you to still in my and we said kind of you know, pre birth for you Martin was giving us a good time zeitgeist wise and that is Rosalind Carter who had left us at least you on earth last Sunday in the age of 96. So thank you Rosalind and thank you Jimmy and sorry Jimmy you have to be without her now for a while. And so again these were the good times these were the 70s that I was in my teens and you were in your twins the solo so we had good times. And thanks to you Martin slide 25 you bring these good times back to Lahaina and I just came back from San Francisco I should say hi from Joey and Clara and for San Bern who says hi to you guys and the keyword of that we have to share and show is for me retro fitting because this is what happening to the trans American building which foster is redoing so we have to share that and what we can learn from that so retro fitting means you bring something back to the way it was but the way foster always does it is he gives it a twist to make it even a little bit better or at least contemporary give it a contemporary twist. So what do we see here and how how is that about your proposal Martin. So are we on 25 we're on the air a photograph that we borrowed from Amazon so we're promoting it to be bought by someone. Yes, this is an image from the Department of Interior Geological Geological Survey from 1980. And what happens with that image is that we really see that at that time the whole low of of of I mean surrounding of the surrounding areas of Lahaina was cultivated mainly with sugar cane crops. This of course was artificial came after that after the natural forest or or or natural vegetation that was up there which is not ideal but at least it was somehow keeping water. There was an irrigation system for these crops which is good. Now what we see is basically a very desert landscape. And this was even with very rigid. It was what cost party what caused the disaster that it was not a near it was not a sponge. We need to generate a sponge in the territory of course to make it more green even in dry periods to keep water as much as possible in land and also to have water available for refreshing the the the built environment and in case of an emergency as it happened. So we have to think the the native Hawaiian wisdom knowledge knew how to deal with water in so very good. I am not of course the person to talk about that. But we have to to to keep this knowledge. Just as a as an interesting information in COP 28 that will take place in a couple of weeks for the first time they will consider there is a whole chapter that will consider consider indigenous knowledge for mitigation of climate change as energy consumption reduction as well as a residency building. So this is very interesting. We should keep some of the technologies of the very sophisticated and complex knowledge of topography water management and land in these like to rebuild the territorial state. So just to finish we have to to to understand the rebuilding of Lehigh and not just as the reconstruction of the buildings but as a territorial strategy and water as always happened here in Hawaii for centuries is probably the most important talent. We have to incorporate like the division of water like the sewage system the rain water and the use water which could be reused and to think about the whole territorial system of water cleaning water management irrigation a needable forest and productive forest on the upper slope of of Lehigh and as well as inside a bit of environment as we were talking last time. We can bring green and of course water to the built environment. This will help us to refresh the the the hot the heat the spaces of Lehigh now and again what water will allow us to be more resilient in the case of fires of course. Absolutely. And if you guys join us the first time for this show go back to the previous shows where we show the whole the whole scope. Let's go to 42 slide 42 quick here because just saying upfront no we did not wish this would ever happen. It's tragic. The whole having burned away and no we are not you know using this as to install a smart city in in the negative way. We talked about that a couple of times but since it happened it's now you know make the best out of it. And these are events you know sometimes they're positive events which we which we see here which was the World Expo and we want to do a shout out to a dear colleague of ours Martin and I just want to share again a couple of things here where the top left in the show sequences with Larry Medlin we were talking about that the multiple different pavilions for for the nation. There was we have told you Edo coming he reached out to a couple of of us couple of our colleagues they actually going to have him come and speak on December the 7th in the auditorium we cannot be there because we are going to be at our think that Kauai Christmas events and awards ceremony all of us but hopefully everyone else goes to this event and and listens to we're not just listening to but also asking questions maybe giving him ideas that's important and you know I told you was really given a hard time by my hometown by the authorities they drove him crazy and saying you can't just do your pepper tubes you have to do this and that an additional belt and suspenders and blah blah blah to a degree that him and his collaborator for auto we're pretty pissed and done and said you know these projects are now don't have anything to do with it anymore they pushed him over over the limit they also pushed the very young architect Florian Nagler over the limit who won a and this is what we are opting for Martin we say we need we need competitions we need open competitions we're both big fans and mental bled as well as you the solo and we had been talking with him about it at all he he you know won an international competition and didn't matter that he was German he just happened to be German but he was not even from northern Germany he was from Bavaria which is my adopted home now he won the competition and the Germany as a client drove him crazy and they basically didn't come together he then you know did great stuff elsewhere and went back to Bavaria where he is a professor at Tomerau and now a colleague of mine when martin's both academic and practicing colleague Heisman brings Florian back these days and making give a lecture so these are all great examples and you know we have been very empowered failed very empowered very motivated by you know Julius Nadra that we see up there at second from top right who was doing with Herzog Tomer Herzog who was my sister's professor at home because she studied at home back then and they did these majestic wooden umbrellas and also of course there's Peter Zumtor that we see second from top left who is always as is in this written part here this is a beginning design conference where they had this professor assistant professor in Kansas had made this list of precedent studies which is one of the learning tools in academia and these are a couple of projects that show up there and they included us little guys with that ilmasi school that integrated learning for all the senses and it really that the the we we contributed with what that you know now i'm going to let you say who we shout out to and and we knew each other through our train station project that we also try to make a salt fly so there's a connection to Hawaii but that project was had to be finished for the expo but which was cooking when the expo was was was was going on the way is the solid timber school so we're saying these events hopefully in a positive way and the model of the expo in in 2000 was mentioned a tour technique which means human and natural environment and what humans create in the best sense as technology as to you know even uh improve that even more so uh tell us about the dear colleague a good friend of both of us and also how there is a school of thought between you columbian guys and you know the way you think about uh you know the built and the natural environment uh in might it be in handover as in this case and then they rebuilt that the the the the image at the very bottom is actually the having been taking the the building down the pavilion down where it was temporarily over the expo and then rebuilding it in another place at a lake in germany so who is that and who do we shout out to martin yeah no this is daniel bonilla a very uh i would say tranquil and good colleague uh in in colombia without very interesting very heterogeneous uh work along his his life i have i admired him very much we have shared some some some thoughts uh in in uh back in colombia there is also another building at the expo that is the simon velez project made out of bamboo it is not as as let's say i would i would not say that is as as complex as this building in terms of his its simpleness uh but in all the cases what we are seeing here is light buildings no because probably because of the expo uh uh approach of being easy to build and also easy to dismantle no uh and uh what that we should start thinking about leina is uh another factor sorry the the wood materials the vegetable materials uh of course everybody would be very afraid to build out of wood in leina but uh there is many reasons why keep thinking about wood no because also other uh elements such as mainly plastic carpet curtains and so on will in any concrete construction will in any case uh be fired no so uh building with wood will uh make us think about uh fire resistance uh in a in a general strategy uh we saw that doesn't matter which is the material of the construction in if there is not like a global strategy there will not there will be fire in any case uh so these constructions are made out of wood no and other materials so how can we start uh uh really providing pertinent solutions in colombia we have had we were talking before many disasters no we had plots we had uh earthquakes we had uh volcanoes we have everything so somehow uh we were in many cases successful in providing shelter to those people that is not emigrating uh abroad to other countries so somehow hosting them provisionally somewhere where they are uh and uh also uh like providing new permanent permanent residences and probably and this is important the most successful projects are the ones that on which the provisional structure are thought to be permanent so if we build something that is provisionally but good enough we will be able to to somehow uh uh uh or people will be able to somehow habitate it we were talking a lot about appropriation and to generate a home out of these dwelling no like a really uh uh making making them theirs so this is the first strategy that i think we we would probably uh this humbly suggest to do like think about provisional uh dwellings that will be able to be permanent at this for a period or uh thinking about sustainability uh being able to reuse the materials that were used for this provisional construction and wood for that is perfect we can just unscrew it and build it back again in in somewhere else uh or just leave it as it is and uh keep improving it and this is what we see in all these beautiful projects that you were talking about uh that are like projects that are flexible no we as architects many of the building over high now remember your presentation the soto uh had different uses at the beginning no like uh meeting space became a museum and uh and uh residences became shops and so on no so thinking about the reuse from the technique technical point of view as well as the reuse from the functional point of view yeah and if we go to the previous uh the the prior to this picture 41 i mean these projects i mean you can now say after the disaster you become really scared right and you become very um traumatized which is of course you know people become personally but somehow this is what we're trying to do empower people to be positive again and and hopeful so these are that therefore the project has to be bold and they have to try and they have to as you did here and we are now sharing with the audience a few seconds after i took these pictures of you what happened you share haha it completely got destroyed there was a lot of green and the and the and the model got destroyed dismantled actually i still have the pieces here to make another model see and and that's the point now people might say oh my god then don't don't you know play it safe be on the safe side no uh you know this is experimentation this is prototyping and if we go back to 42 the previous one this is how all these projects they were serious they bought the best of masterminds you know is Julius Nadra as the pope of wood construction who became as i shared our spiritual master for the for the solid timber school this is all this is all the the avant-garde of our discipline of architecture empowering and encouraging each other to go above and beyond and this is what truly Lahaina deserves this is the point that we're basically making but if we can go to 42 now uh the the kind of the give and take goes both ways right and as much as we hope that we can give the best as you the soda always share that you like if we bring the best from our cultures but as we see in 42 um it's also that we martin uh you and i the two martins are going to learn a lot you know from from here as well for where we're from and if michael you can get us 54 uh then we will see because you know what what my culture now is november but we had october and this is october fest and so munich we're another professor a colleague of um basic florian naglas that as long as we have october fest in munich we're never going to be innovative again as we used to be in 72 with the olympics that we keep talking about and this is where the root of our Danish boss booster met noblett is there from the olympics project uh as you know when we always have to portray you call it i think martin musealizing i mean you the sort of being the museum guy right so you you you pretend you you you stage it you know as you want to be perceived but not really how you are so he was provocatively saying you know when we had covid again how what a tragic event right but it he said his point was like okay use this as an opportunity to rethink who we are and not just how we want to be seen right so share a little bit more martin what you see as an opportunity to hear us both coaching both in in the travel industry management class a school as an architecture what you see the learn as a potential for your culture share a little bit more you've been touching on that here and there but tell us more yeah no i have i mean i have uh since uh i have been here in hawaii uh i am very positively impressed uh hawaiians are very critic with the tourism industry but i am very positively impressed about how it is managed because i being local somehow i mean i am i live here i try to go to local beaches and i really perceive when when i go to the main stream of tourism which is very localized uh somehow the many areas of the of the island of oahu which is a very crowded island with a lot of tourism coming coming still feel local no and this is this is good no i think this is something that we have to admire about hawaiian culture and probably in mawaii will be much more and in hawaii will be even much more no so so this is good and this is something that we can export they are there are other areas of the world where tourism completely destroys the territory such as for example what's happening in spain in the coast no you can in many cases it is local tourism but but uh it is like there is no local identity apart like from the church in the middle that you cannot even find it here you really feel the the the nature you you have super generous public spaces and and this is this is beautiful no and it is something that yep yeah and turkey is spain and urban and oahu next slide uh people i was just talking people in barcelona where joey has lived as the soto you know i've been reporting about here and there i mean barcelonians are going up and against i mean they basically say no tourism anymore it's it's killing us so you i mean we're walking this fine line here too it's not as easy as maybe for you have not been here maybe you know not as long as you know the soto you've been born here and i've been here 11 years but it will kind of creep up on you more marty and sorry to say but we're going to keep yeah keep it positive and this is putting the pictures to what we've been talking about last time that nothing no one is safe anymore anywhere so why would think in lahaina you know cash prop is gone so it's all dry so it all turns away this is in the middle of our island here in mililani mauka it it happens as well and to the right is kandel lenner just finishing up his dock project which is about lubricating irrigating hydrating the urban rehydrating that bring water and this is a fishy fenestration as i i winkingly call it where he brings the tradition of fish ponds who high rises and uh next next slide 56 which is my last one because it's going to be the preview of what we are going to do next semester uh luckily together martin which is again a synergy between our a future leaders in the hospitality industry which is our major uh industry and then us as architects who are facilitating that as the built environment and so we have to think about in retrofitting i like to reuse the term as as to provoke us as to think about what can we bring back and what also we then bring that you know we bring the first time your thoughts on that guys in four minutes left i wanted to say something that that i think is relevant to linea and and both of you can relate to it from where you are from martin after world war two many of the cities of europe were completely destroyed badly damaged or completely destroyed particularly in your own country of germany and they're they faced tremendous challenges in rebuilding and uh martin you just were talking about the volcano eruption in the 1980s that destroyed an entire city how do you come back well the the balance is how do you balance trying to recreate what was there in other words what things people have sentimental attachments to which they want to see brought back against and with modernizing innovating and doing things that are more sensible in other words in very very pragmatic things like traffic and managing traffic uh creating better parking creating things like that these are things that have to be balanced particularly in leina because its appearance was so important to how people perceived it and wanted to come and visit it so if we were to remake it entirely as a space age new place that didn't look anything like it had before there would be resistance to that on the part of people who live there as well as those in the tourist industry who would say but they loved the way it looked old-fashioned so with that in mind recreating it to an extent is probably a requirement and yet at the same time that recreation must be innovative it must be more thoughtful with the environment it must be better with energy usage it must be better in the in the concept of pulling back from the ocean which is going to be further encroaching so all of those things have to be taken into account when we are looking at the reconstruction of an entire urban area and the good thing is we have a lot of other places to look at to see how it's been done to say we like this we don't like that and certainly in in europe there were places where they recreated everything as closely as they possibly could and there were other places where they started from scratch and made it all different and modern yeah and since you're here yeah go ahead martin not just the the fact of bringing the community to the center of the idea no it's like what people even from the tourist like bringing the museumification word back is the what people like to see like what tourists like to see is the specificity of the place what is this specifically how was this before many of the like neocolonial buildings arrived let's think about identity in the most in the broader way also as as as identity evolving yes yes uh so do you just provoke me so you just came on you blame you this can't be the last time we get to together discuss this because you just by triggering you just you know hit a nerve that's just like going crazy now so we but we're at the end of show times so we have to leave this for another time probably then next week sorry guys but also thank you guys so that being said yeah more I guess about that and after all I just say as an appetizer or as a teaser for it for that next time after all like it or not many in Hawaii don't like it who are from here right they so and what your hat one of your your one half is from here the Soto Hawaiians but we are in America and America plays a big role in that has played a big role in my culture if you guys if your American side the Soto hasn't helped my culture back on his feet we wouldn't be where we are and I at least told myself I will never forget that do I then okay everything that America does these days certainly not and I want my America back which again farewell to you Rosalind wherever you go from here because that's the America I want back and so that's up for discussion next time but until then please stay memberly memorable memorably um memory bye-bye