 The hangout on air is live so thanks chat room for the feedback on alpha geek radio Sorry about the variance of quality there Facebook is going to sponsor the Republican National Convention They're gonna hand out peanuts bags of peanuts Paul Ryan says he cannot support Donald Trump as presidential nominee. I wonder if things are gonna There's gonna be some major throwdown. I Don't think so I mean it's really in a circle for politics politics politics Justin Robert young to reap in a circus. I just want like the finale episode It's a hang on the edge of your seat season. Is it it feels that way? Yeah We're gonna talk about something much more controversial than the US presidential election The identity of Satoshi Nakamoto Some trump cards says beatmaster. That's amazing. Where did Justin go? It wasn't he just there? huh Maybe he's Satoshi and he's just setting up everything. It's gonna be the big reveal guys. I can't wait Yeah, all right, I think we're gonna be good we got stories we got emails You got stories I got mail But you don't have pie I don't and I probably should I'm gonna be honest The thing that I'm going to be doing on June 28th is watching the mystery science theater stream in a theater and eating pie That's my birthday. Oh Hey, you can't you won't you want to you won't be down here never mind. Sorry I'm already planning things. That's great My friend is like already talked to me. It's like, hey, you know, I'm moving jobs I'll see if there's anything there for you. Well, he shall introduce me to them So X squirrel makes good point people watching people in a theater in a theater Reunion mystery science theater reunion. All right, okay Satoshi, I mean Justin By the way, I just got a let's put this here in the in the slack. This is is all I ever All I ever think about whenever we get into the the Shatoshi Who is? Is this Perry Bible Fellowship comic that I just put nice like shatoshi? All right, here we go ready Roger. Yeah We're sorry this payphone does not accept coins for long-distance calls You may wish to consider using your nickel to support the Daily Tech News show by going to Daily Tech News show comm slash support that's Daily Tech News show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, May 5th 2016 Cinco de Mayo. I'm Tom Marin joining me today. Mr. Justin Robert young host of night attack rid things dot com politics politics Which by the way, I think that show of yours is gonna be heating up as things progress here in the United States presidential election Oh, yeah, ring the ring the dang bell. We got ourselves a humdinger for a general already set up But you want to know what that's far in the future. Let's focus on the present. We have a great mystery that Continues to unfold and I will make the case on this show It will always be forever Unfolding like a brilliant origami that can never be truly unraveled. Of course. We're talking about who is Satoshi Nakamoto the creator of Bitcoin Maybe it's better if we don't know gum shoes. That's what we're gonna talk about in a bit Let's start off with some headlines Microsoft reports the 300 million devices now run Windows 10 Windows 10 of one sort or another they're counting all the windows 10s The company also reminds us By giving us that good news for them They are also reminding us that it's free upgrade offer expires on July 29th after July 29th If you want to get a copy of Windows 10 on your Windows 8 or 8.1 or XP or 7 machine You'll have to pay 119 bucks What is the What what yeah What's up with that? Yeah, it's the classic you gave me something for free and now it's not free I'm mad they could have charged 119 bucks from the start Justin sure Right, but I guess I just and this is I'm sure that there are Many bespectacled boffins who could explain to me in very very calm voice details on why this is the only move that They could possibly make but what Windows 10 has seemingly done for the Windows ecosystem is because it's a fairly Well-rated. I mean obviously people have had problems in the installation process But once it gets installed most people who have it like it It seems to be one of those Windows operating systems that generally has a high approval rating and has done well for kind of uniting especially as they move into mobile spaces a good a Good platform to grow from I don't know why there is a And I'm gonna say artificial although again I'm sure there are plenty of really good reasons for this Why there is a cost barrier at this point as opposed to saying hey look We very highly recommend that you get on Windows 10 so much so that we are going to put so many pop-ups on your desktop But if you're a weather person, yeah I I think what Microsoft is probably doing here and this is borne out by a lot of the things They've said is trying to get everyone on Windows 10. There's a little carrot like hey It's free when you hurry up though. It won't be free forever So it's a it's a motivational thing to get people to upgrade, but it's also a Plan to go forward that says you pay to get Windows But once you're on it you get upgraded you don't have to ever pay again And this is this is the line in the sand that says you know at the we're gonna let everyone into the tent for free for now But once that tents closed every new copy every original copy for Windows has to be paid for And so so we're drawn the line and saying there are no more previous copies of Windows after July 29th So get your summer fling in with Windows now because once late July comes you'll be wondering for oh those summer nights Netflix latest app for iOS and Android allows users to choose what quality of video it streams when using cellular data connections Netflix admitted in March that it automatically limits video quality for AT&T and Verizon customers on sell data It will continue to do so, but customers can override to the choice Settings are described by the number of hours that stream per gigabyte connections are unaffected over Wi-Fi So this is another controversial thing the idea that Netflix wasn't telling people that they downgraded the stream Well, even if they were doing it in your best interests and they said well You know what we're gonna give you control and this is the second part of that conversation now You have the control however if you're on AT&T and Verizon in the United States You're still gonna be downgraded if you don't go and change that default Well, and this is another one of those I can understand why Netflix Wants to manage the experience for the end user because ultimately if you go over your data cap on Your cell phone carrier and you look and at how much data was used by each app and Netflix is just the 800-pound gorilla you're going to blame Netflix not the concept of data caps and not the concept of you know money or Capitalism or you you and the listener would all blame the concept of data caps But most people wouldn't but most people would not they would just say oh netflix I you want to know what Fuller house wasn't even that good And so I can get it but you know this is this is a good move by Netflix If you are one of those people like me who has a grandfathered AT&T Contract and still get all you can eat data then I will be Upgrading my connection to 4k whenever possible, and I do like that They they express it in the number of hours per gigabyte So it even somebody who knows how to do that. It's just a lot easier to go Okay, seven hours 12 hours whatever you know, that's good Washington Post has a feature about Viv an artificial intelligence developed by dog kitlaus and Adam Shayer co-founders of Siri they sold Siri to Apple and that's where Siri came from It's an open system Viv is that bypasses search engines and apps to execute things like ordering a pizza or calling for a ride Post claims Google and Facebook have both offered to buy Viv Mark Zuckerberg is an investor in Viv Viv will be demonstrated publicly Monday at TechCrunch's disrupt New York So we'll get a lot more information then but the Washington Post story was was pretty cool They didn't have to connect it to any apps. They didn't have to tell it anything. It didn't do any searches All it did all they did was say I want a pizza from this restaurant and Viv went out and figured out what that restaurant was And how to order the pizza and did it all Obviously these guys were going to get funding based on the success that Siri was in terms of folding it into Apple and Siri becoming such a gigantic Symbolic part of this sort of natural language input and and doing things via talking to your device I can't say I'm wild about the name You know the BIM kind of sounds a little like you know like your your your aunt that your mom doesn't talk to all that often But I'm excited that is the Washington Post story was very exciting. I think that there is certainly still space for a big Buzzy company like this now whether or not It lands with Google or Facebook I think is probably the next exciting stage and something like this because yeah You know, we'll see where it fits in I mean like a product like this is almost as important It's almost as important to look at where it will fit into an overall landscape then You know will it You know how much it can do by itself. What interesting thing is that? Siri before Apple owned it had Relationships and the idea was that you would say get me a ride and it would already have a relationship with uber And when Apple took it over they got rid of those relationships, which made Siri a little less useful What Viv does is exactly that but in an open platform with the relationships don't have to be door-to-door Like the Siri folks did in the early days So there's a lot of talk that this could potentially Get around our siloed app ecosystem and even around search engines This which is why Google is interested in buying this and say, you know what? You don't need to use any of that anymore You just talk to your assistant and tell them what you want and they go figure out the back end part of it You don't have to know URLs or which app you downloaded We know you only use five apps of at a time anyway people So this this gets passed all of that You want to know what I kind of very much want though in in these assistants and having used them more and more and more Between Siri and Alexa and stuff like that. I Want my my virtual assistant to double-check with what I said Because and I know that in in so many years I'm just gonna be the guy who got on the first automobile and was you're talking about how if they go five miles an hour faster They're you know the skin would peel off skulls, but like I Just now I find myself with Alexa There's like a lot of like hey order deodorant and I just want Alexa to come back and say oh wait Is it this kind of deodorant that you bought before or another kind as opposed to just like yep got it and the next thing I know I'm worried that I'm gonna get something delivered to my house that I don't exactly want yeah strong enough for a man But made for a woman. It's not what you ordered Yeah, the LA Times reports that on March 18th LAPD detectives were able to bypass security on an iPhone 5s Belonging to April Jace who was killed in her home on May 19th 2014 a surge warrant filing written States a quote forensic cell phone expert unquote was able to quote override the locked iPhone function It did not detail the method or identify the expert. I think what's intriguing so many people about this And this is one of those stories that I personally probably wouldn't have picked for the TNS But it is getting pick up in lots of different places and I think it's because This was unlocked in March at around the same time that the FBI Was wrangling in court and in the court of public opinion about whether it should force Apple to help them unlock a phone which they eventually got forensics help unlocking themselves and This is a more sophisticated phone than an iPhone 5c. It's an iPhone 5s, but it's of that same generation, right? So You know roughly speaking. I think it it everyone's wondering like okay What expert to the LAPD get that the FBI had such a hard time finding? Yeah, I Have this sneaking suspicion with these kinds of stories and we're gonna get into a lot more in our main topic about how much Just the nature of reporting sometimes makes stories into different You know different pathways than they would maybe necessarily just by themselves and and I almost worry that we see right now a renewed interest in these kind of law enforcement Judge orders, you know like these kinds of stories and There is a danger in my mind of us making connections on You know to two cases and situations and and you know Oftentimes very very serious issues like phone security and encryption in general where there might not be so I think this is an interesting story I don't know if it's something that I think that it is actively dangerous for us to say Okay, this says something or doesn't say something about you know the the Apple FBI case or anything else Yeah, eternal Ozzie actually says so what are we gonna get a news story every time police legally search a phone? And that's a great point the the interesting thing here is that They had trouble with this phone. They couldn't get it unlocked They couldn't access the data they accessed it at one point then they couldn't access it again And they got someone to access it and just you're absolutely right This would be a non-story if you didn't ever have the Apple story because I and most of the people in our audience assume That every encrypted device is crackable in some way whether it's by social engineering or something else So the the idea of law enforcement finding somebody who could help them get in a phone shouldn't really sound surprising But because of the coincidence everyone goes away to a minute How did they find a guy cuz and I think you're right a lot of people are still fighting an old battle at that point Yeah Wall Street Journal reports GM and Lyft plan to test self-driving Chevy Bolt cabs in 2017 picking up actual Lyft passengers and curious how they're gonna pull this off Regulatory wise whether there's gonna put people in the self-driving cars. So they're with the law I'm not sure but the plan will apparently use technology from cruise automation GM acquired that back in March GM will also begin renting out Chevy bolts to Lyft drivers currently it rents only Chevy Equinoxes And this is all part of GM and Lyft partnering up which they announced back in January So for every bad Lyft up in Equinox, I want to know right now if you will drive me or not this is a Very very interesting story because I I feel like this is just You can almost smell the Smell the the methane of the flaming press release that you know just begs to be talked about But ultimately will end up only in ash and memory But at the same time it's like, you know what like what is the burden of proof for this? We are going to pick up actual Lyft passengers in a self-driving car in 2017 It's like okay, so if you get a bunch of press people to Some remote desert location right and you have people pick them up then like what does that mean? How does that count like now that is not too poo-poo the idea that this is moving forward I'm very excited about the idea the big companies like Chevy and Lyft obviously are are putting their money where their mouth is and saying hey look these are going to be better Interesting ways for us to solve this problem especially when it comes to scalability for writing on-demand services But at the same time I kind of wonder if by the end of 2017 We're not going to be looking back and saying like oh, yeah Well, I guess that really wasn't as exciting as it was in my head when I just read that once right Details of the program are still being worked out according to a Lyft executive according to a Lyft executive In other words nobody wants to really go on record on that Periscope's latest update leads beta testers permanently save at your broadcast by adding hashtag save to the title Saved broadcast will remain online quote-unquote forever saved videos will also appear in user profiles There is no limit to the number of videos you can save Android and iOS users can ask for an invite for them to try the feature by visiting bit.ly Slash Betascope Tom by the time that this becomes a regular Element of Periscope will we still care about Periscope? I wonder Facebook live is certainly got a little bit of Momentum going on which could be good for Periscope in that rising tide Lyft all boats sort of way But I do wonder how long the trend lasts or this is the beginning of of a new thing I honestly do think there's a big chance This is the beginning of a new element of internet broadcasting We're just like people on Twitter thought it was weird that you just want to post something on Twitter to people I think these live streaming broadcasts may be turning into something I could be horribly wrong as well I thought I am was dumb at one point. So who am I to judge but I'm more interested with Periscope because Now let's just say Hypothetical example that there were two guys who had a primarily Twitter social following that Usually did most of their social media integration through Twitter And also did a lot of live video content In fact, maybe it would be a daily enterprise where people would go and put that out I would be very interested to see Periscope open up the reins a little bit and make it easier to to Beam this live video content right into the Twitter feed because that's an element of Facebook live that I think is definitely taking off that professional looking Interesting curated content popping up in your feed and dancing around like a picture in Harry Potter Amongst your otherwise the dull and flat feed is interesting is fun is good I think this is a good move for Periscope I would like to see them get a little bit more expansive in what they allow on there Yeah, and I I think this is a step towards that that you know This is one of those steps where people are like well, you know I can't do my show on Periscope because it won't be around. This is ephemeral. This is snapchat like And and now they're saying well, okay now you can do your show It'll you you won't have to just save it yourself to your hard drive and publish it elsewhere It'll be on Periscope. I that's smart for them to do Craig Wright has removed his earlier blog post that contained what he said was proof that he is Satoshi Nakamoto creator of Bitcoin Wright posted that he does not have the courage to move one of the early bitcoins from block 9 that would indicate he At least had access to coins known to have been used by Nakamoto in 2009 Wright wrote quote I know that this weakness will cause great damage to those that have supported me and particularly to John Matonis and Gavin Andres in both of the Bitcoin Foundation more on this as we move into our yeah, but more on the idea of Nakamoto, but Just on this particular post this puts to rest the public's Wondering about Craig right. I I really think this the fact that he promised to give undeniable proof And then backed off with sort of wishy-washy answers about he just he doesn't want the attention anymore Smacks of somebody who couldn't pull it off. So I at least that's what most people are going to think is going on here And so I think that's kind of the end of Craig Wright story lest he come back next week with aha I've changed my mind. Here's the proof which I doubt will happen Certainly a victory for those who are skeptical about his claims initially There's there's no doubt about that they said he didn't have the nuts and certainly as he You know has folded his hand and not decided to go all in We will see You know that the great celebrating from that side. I There's more to this. We'll get to it when we get to our main topic Google has been feeding the text of romance novels to an AI engine in order to enhance its Contra or conversational skills. I was gonna say controversial and I'll tell you what The some of the romance novels that might have been applicable Google software engineer Andrew Day told Buzzfeed that they're hoping to encourage quote a more varied tone or style or Register it could also help smart reply to offer more conversational email responses since romance novels follow predictable patterns Shots fired EL James the AI can more easily understand the nuances of language And that that is the important part of this Everyone's getting caught up in like the Google AI I can can write a sex novel It can write it can it can actually write sexy sentences, which is true That's not why they're doing it and it doesn't mean that if they implement this that all of your email replies will suddenly be hot and steamy It really is about Using something that they can show the AI it will go in this pattern This is what you look for so that the AI can then focuses on the differences in semantics and go Okay, so that is a nuance to conversation It if it works the way they're hoping it would work It wouldn't just output a bunch of romance Into its AI it would help it understand conversation more. I Think this is very interesting. I don't quite know Why romance novels of all the genres because they can they can say hey AI It's boy meets girl boy falls in love with the other girl Controversy end like that, you know the scaffolding that you can you can set that that at least that's what they're saying but romance novels are not the only a Genre of fiction that has a recognizable pattern. No, but they are very consistent. I mean come on Tom like it's not like you could just have an anonymous group of people write a romance novel That would shoot to the top of the charts the Diamond Club still on sale. Yeah, go check it out Uber has collected an all-star team of government leaders to make up an advisory board on public policy to help them lobby governments worldwide Check this out folks. The board includes Princess Rima Bint Bandar Al Saud of Saudi Arabia She by the way is an entrepreneur who's very active in technology former European Commission Vice President Neely Crease the one who used to Administer a lot of the decisions about data in the European Union former Prime Minister of Peru Robert Danino Former US Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood former director of the US Domestic Policy Council Melody Barnes And more the board will meet twice a year and be compensated with equity in uber Wanted to read those names. That's why I put the story in I'll tell you what you should be reading those names because this is uber Staffing up. This is them putting together their hit squad This is there what when it comes to being able to open doors and know who to talk to what governments the worldwide This is their suicide squad like it is You know that that's a great list of names and it shows you for whatever you and listen There are a million Criticisms legitimate in crit criticism that you can have about uber right and you can assign whatever narrative you want to that company's personality if there's one thing that they have Proven to be that the diamond tip that has made them as successful as they are it is Being fearless and aggressive when it comes to government regulations Like and this is a sign that this is you know, they are they are much like pitbull They are no longer Mr. 305 where they're still dealing with the with South Florida's regulations. They are now mr. Worldwide and you're yelling timber. I get it Amazon has signed an agreement with Atlas to lease 20 Boeing 767 300 cargo planes for seven to ten years Amazon was also granted a warrant allowing it to acquire up to 20% of Atlas's common stock over a five-year period With an option for an additional 10% over a seven-year period Amazon previously gained the right to 20% of air transport services as part of a lease agreement in March This is a very Interesting I've seen I know as somebody who lives quite a bit of his life I when it comes to Amazon Prime I am hashtag about that life and I see more and more Black Amazon polos delivering my delivering my items This seems to be yet another step in the in the direction of them just picking up their own Picking up and delivering their own products or at least giving themselves the option to yeah Big Jim who works in the logistics industry and he understands this stuff in our in our analyst slack was saying he predicts Amazon Next buys an ocean vessel carrier He can think of two that might be possible for them to purchase and he says I don't think they're gonna buy a Forwarder, but I think yet, but maybe next year. So he is again Going along in that idea that Amazon might be advancing into becoming a Shipping company as well as a data services company and a media company and of course a retail outlet And that's just a few of the things they're involved in Finally new scientists obtained a data sharing agreement between Google's DeepMind and the UK's Royal Freight and NHS trust the national health That is much more extensive than people thought they thought they just wanted to connect collect information about kidney disease But the agreement states that DeepMind gets access to all Admissions discharge and transfer data accident and emergency pathology and radiology and critical care at three hospitals Along with five years of historical medical records now the data is not being stored or processed at Google's DeepMind It is being stored and processed by a third party all data reverts to the NHS on September 29th 2017 And and DeepMind is supposedly only going to be used it to help Treat the disease But if you try to limit it to people with the disease it will make the data set not work for their purposes That's the argument DeepMind is testing an app called streams to help clinicians treat kidney disease This is this is very very interesting You know and and and I only wish I knew more about it to comment about it Yeah, I I suspect there are very good reasons why you need the wide data set like forget about privacy for a second And you're like what data do I need to most accurately treat kidney disease? I need to have all of the information because there are people not going in specifically for kidney disease But that have signs of kidney disease and there's people who didn't have kidney disease went in for something else that turns out Later they had kidney disease. So you need all the data I get that But the idea that this was done in secret and that it was publicly understood to be a more limited data set than it is in this day and age causes concern Absolutely thanks to all those who submitted things from our subreddit you guys are the best daily tech news show That reddit.com is the place to go get in there and do some voting folks Don't you want to be like TG stellar? Don't you want to be like m Parker 5 4 6 or Motang? Or or even Fritz X double o7 Be like them go to daily tech news show dot reddit.com that All right, so I Have and I have expressed this briefly yesterday. I have a hypothesis about Satoshi Nakamoto's identity but a lot of people in our chat room Tinvec was one of them few other people were saying does it really matter who Satoshi Nakamoto is Bitcoin works Bitcoin Foundation is run by other people Satoshi Nakamoto has not been involved in Bitcoin since 2010 And it seems to be running fine I mean you can argue whether it's actually going to be a success and they've certainly had bumps in the road And there's a current controversy about how fast the blockchain should process etc. But It doesn't need so Satoshi Nakamoto returning is not the solution to any of those problems Is it just human curiosity or or him or hymns or hymns and hers being identified? Will not solve any of those problems see that it is almost irrelevant to the future of Bitcoin, but Yes, we need to know because this is one of the great Unfolding unsolved mysteries of our modern tech era Bitcoin is a fascinating globally Transformative idea now we can point a million different ways on how well like you mentioned It will eventually be implemented and whether or not it will eventually be a success But there is no denying that it is a captivating interesting technological marvel the fact that Satoshi Nakamoto has always been a secret and has always been at least thought to be a Student him as a way to hide things has always you know that that's your primer But if I can let's break this down as a story why this is it why this is always going to be important whenever Anybody either tries to unmask somebody as Newsweek Hilariously attempted and failed to do a few years ago or steps up and claims the crown This is not this is a dubious position to have it is obviously something that was viewed as dubious when it was a Theoretical idea which is the reason why so many widely believe that this is indeed a pseudonym so who would want to step up and tie themselves to something that Very deliberately is supposed to get through banks governmental regulations You know that this is it is it is a very weird position for anybody to want to tie themselves So the reason why we will always be fascinated by either discovering somebody is this person or be Having somebody say no. No, this is definitely me is almost inherently a curiosity of why would you want to say? Why now why are you stepping up? I agree? I think the reason people including myself are curious about Satoshi Nakamoto's Identity has nothing to do with technology. It has nothing to do with Bitcoin It has to do with curiosity. We want to know the story. We want to know what was the motivation? How did it come about? Who inspired you? Why did you do it all of that sort of thing? We don't necessarily need that though and in fact I'd argue it's better. We don't know if there's a person to pin this on Whether it's rational or not and I think it's mostly irrational people will start to Pester that person They'll start to put their trust in that person to do things that they're not capable of and shouldn't be capable of Bitcoin's whole policy is about decentralization. It's about cryptography It's about the fact that no one is in charge of the Bitcoin system We have a Bitcoin foundation to sort of monitor things But Bitcoin itself just runs and if you have a figurehead that you now know, oh, it's that person I think that actually makes things worse Because instead of just focusing on the technology the focus starts to shift away from that not to mention probably makes that person's life miserable Which is why again? Why would you want to pick up this thorny crown and put it upon your head? Right, and that's what makes this story super fascinating Of why somebody would want to claim that mantle now It's Batman, right? It's like why would you ever want to be Batman? But Batman definitely keeps his identity secret for a reason. Can you can you indulge me in in in in in process? Journalism nerdery on why else I believe that this will always sure. Yeah, absolutely This is exactly what happened with the Newsweek day. You ultimately have reporters who even tech reporters there are there are few Investigative tech reporters that have the technical know-how when it comes to either Bitcoin specifically or sources as far as you know Encryption or or this level of you know this kind of technology that will ever truly know enough To report things In a way that is anything other than very very dependent on on a few sources right and So you are going to get gigantic swings of these stories Based on you know, just a few people saying you know having an idea about One element of you know who this is or why this can't be this person or why this is this person Which is why when when Wright came out this week and said he was the dude You got stories that were like yep. I talked to one guy and he says that he's very sure that he's him Nakamoto found Celebrate all ships at sea and then the day after Everybody in the world believes that this dude is not Nakamoto because you like this is ultimately just five people yelling at each other Who have very divergent opinions and a media that does not in general? Know enough to give larger context to everything that that this story is not controversial claim of Nakamoto made Serious thoughts, you know to its legitimacy raised, right? It's not that it had to be Absolute proof holy Sword of fire slicing through it. I'll get I'll give the Rory selling Jones at the BBC has done a good job following up on his original story saying no no This is not I did not say this I did not say that this is why I thought this But the tone of that original BBC piece was very much like we think we found Satoshi Nakamoto I'll give the economist credit for being the first to public sketch published skepticism from the beginning before the reaction But but they still ran the headline, right? So I I do think that it I Do think that there was a I don't know what the right word for it because it fraud is too strong And and and even trickery is too is is too strong. I think Craig made a very compelling case He obviously forget the reporters. He convinced Gavin Andreessen Who's the chief technology officer for the Bitcoin Foundation to just say like yeah, no, it's sounds like him He talks like him he all of that And that got me thinking about the piece Andy Greenberg had done from wired where he compared Hal Finney's writing style using linguistic analysis to Satoshi and found it very similar, but then he also noticed that Emails purportedly sent from Nakamoto to Finney Resembled Satoshi Nakamoto's other writings more than they resembled Finney's so he's like I don't know They're very similar, but they're they can't convincingly be proven to be the same That leads me to an article on see Bitcoin comm which I think is probably the closest to the mind It's my working hypothesis if we have to wonder who he is. He's more than one person And and actually John Hardy at see Bitcoin is arguing that David Clemen Was Satoshi Nakamoto and Clemen and Finney are both passed away now. They both were early Bitcoin people Finney was the first to use software and file bug reports after Satoshi Nakamoto Clemen was involved. He was a confidant of Craig Wright He was paralyzed in an accident in 1995 and focused specifically on these kind of cryptographic problems He was hospitalized in 2010 right when Satoshi Nakamoto Handed over Bitcoin operation to Gavin Andresen And then Clemen died in April 2013 My working hypothesis Justin Robert Young is that all three of these guys are Satoshi Nakamoto They they passed around emails to be polished up and rewritten, which is why they don't mash anybody's style exactly They both worked on different parts of it Just like we saw Steve Jobs and Wozniak created Apple although Wozniak did a lot of the technology Jobs did a lot of the marketing and the visionary parts of it Hewlett and Packard Gordon Moore and the group at Intel Bardeen on the transistor. They all had teams. I Don't think Bitcoin is created by one person It has to be by a team so then Then what are we do make of rights claims and would it be different if Wright said hey Me and my two dead friends did this. I I think it would be interesting if he did that and I think he would have the same problems proving it because if my Hypothesis is true right has enough of Satoshi that he was involved with to convince Gavin Andresen and convince these reporters But not enough to definitively prove it and that doesn't change Even if he says yeah, it was me Clemen and Finney people say we'll prove it move a Bitcoin And if he says well Clemen had the had the keys on his laptop and we can't find them now So we can't move those bitcoins that might wash, but it wouldn't prove anything sure but Don't you get the sense that that would have rang True err if he said hey look, I'll never be able to prove it But here's that here's the story. Here's my perspective on all of it. I was close to it Here's why I believe the name here's where the name came from here's why we thought about doing it Here's where I joined the project. Here's where everybody, you know, it was involved with it But and that's it believe me or not. That's where I'm coming from. You knew I was close enough Here that can prove You know doff the cap see you down the road that would be different than yeah, I'm that dude and I was the sure there were other people involved, but I was the main guy, which was the tone of What he said this week so there's all kinds of speculations on why Craig Wright might have done that He has tax problems. He is he is always out looking for funding of various projects So who knows who knows why he would claim to be Nakamoto if he's not And why he wouldn't do what you're saying, but yeah, I think it would have come off differently And let's and let's say that he does do that right let's say your hypothesis is correct and again Why are we talking about this because this conversation is fun? And it's it's it's it's it's the reason why we're talking right now But let's take your working hypothesis and let's say that climb and who again It's certainly in your brain seems to click a brilliant guy Paralyzed in a car accident in 1995 became a bit of a recluse You know was was certainly a brilliant person that seems like the kind of guy who would want to create a pseudonym So people would not bother him. He was not somebody who relished contact or attention So that makes sense. Let's say that that's the case Does is there an element of Nobility to right saying no, I did it because he doesn't want further attention to be put on to climb and or Climans like his family and he's gone, but his 92 year old father is still alive, etc Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I I don't know if I believe that's the motivation and and who knows whether it is, right? I I would tend to think I would agree with you. I don't think that that's likely But yet the fact that it's a possibility is what continues to make this the the DB Cooper story of Our modern lifetime. We will never ever know for sure, but we will always want to yeah Satoshi Nakamoto may in thousands of years or hundreds of years Be King Arthur, you know people will be arguing over the historical reality or was he a myth Did he get the first blockchain from a watery bim? 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Question mark we may never know that's kind of a play on the whole tootsie roll lollipop commercial Um Uberside squad I'm Satoshi, oh Satoshi Nakamoto colon prove it. It's prove it to you. Prove it again. Yeah, that's actually kind of funny The three faces of Satoshi Nakamoto Can you smell what the GM and Lyft are cooking? Come with me if you want to live Ah Doesn't doesn't doesn't hit me Me pricks as a kid I'm Bitcoin Spartacus GM's bolt does the lifting I do like the Nice. I like that who is Satoshi Nakamoto. We may never know But that's me I Don't know that feels like all right, then I don't need to listen to your show I Want something well, Scott. Oh, is Satoshi Nakamoto actually Andy Kaufman film at 11? Periscope town periscope forever You got to know when to hold your bitcoins and when to move them What was our title the other day where we use Satoshi Nakamoto, I think that's my other resistance. Oh, okay We mean the show the actual show title like Wednesday's title had Satoshi Nakamoto in it didn't it or Mondays I Believe so Think a la carte Overload was yesterday and then the ultimate. No, that's you The Giffy keyboard we deserve. Oh That was Mondays with the real Satoshi. Please shut up I See that would have been a good title for today All right, so Thanks to these guys one Right is wrong. Ha, that's funny Yeah TV Cooper TV Cooper found TV Cooper This is Satoshi Nakamoto story Amazonian cargo Maybe bitcoins inventor doesn't matter I Made just made that up. Oh, what do you guys think? Like doesn't matter question mark or just yeah, no, it just doesn't matter. I mean Justin. What do you think I'm fine with it? Yeah, I almost would rather use the the shorthand Satoshi Like like Satoshi doesn't matter or something like it did Yeah, I could do that Just because like Bitcoin inventor Like that almost sounds like what about Satoshi's identity. I was trying to avoid saying But if we just use Nakamoto or is that Satoshi more knuckle? No, no Not good. Oh, no It's almost sounds just racist. It is probably But it sounds like it probably is The three faces of Satoshi Nakamoto She Nakamoto actually Andy Kauffman Yeah, that was yeah, that's pretty funny. I was like Andy Kauffman jokes might be Satoshi's identity doesn't matter How about that? Why Satoshi's identity doesn't matter. I don't want to know who invented Bitcoin. How about that? Tim Vex said who made Bitcoin question mark, who cares? Put that one up in the chat room Yeah, I like that who made Bitcoin question mark. Who cares? Yeah, I would take up the second question mark though Yes, yes, I would just say who made Bitcoin question. Okay, that's a good call That's almost like you're like asking who can't be who cares who cares you okay? Good you do you care Ron Burgundy it I'm Satoshi Nakamoto. We have picked a title. Thank you Now let's all settle in for a nice taco bowl Mmm. Hmm. Taco bowl. That's a ridiculous thing. I love tacos even better in a bowl Well, then you don't have to eat the corn or the fly then why I mean Most most of what you find in quote-unquote Mexican restaurants is the similar Um, you know, I don't necessarily think I Don't think a taco bowl is necessarily a horrifying idea. I don't think it's horrifying, but it's not a taco like Those are both true statements a taco bowl What is referred to as a taco bowl can be very delicious and I have enjoyed one on many a occasion I don't however really consider it a taco Yeah, I also if we're going to go through the whole genre of edible food containers Like taco bowl definitely comes in after soup in a bread bowl Wait, oh, wait. Are you talking about like the fillings of a taco in a bowl or after you mean soup in a bread bowls better better Yeah, no, no. Oh, yeah Because you're here is where we parked Because your soup gets into it affects the bread bowl. Mmm. Yes, it does it makes it soggy Yeah, no, and you get some like coffee as bread and if it's good soup then you're like awesome The bread's never good. Maybe I'd think differently if the bread was ever good, but you Yes, okay, like are they often crap? Yes, but then again most soup in soup in a bread bowl sucks Sure, maybe that's really my like good soup in good soup with good bread. Oh, you're off to the races, baby Well, you're actually a fisherman's wharf probably Maybe they serve him at the races You're at the Kentucky Derby where the traditional soup bowls are being soup in a red ball in mid-jewel ups I like The idea of red bull soups like especially chatter is appealing especially if you're like in a sports venue where You just don't want to have a bunch of garbage left like you can eat the container when you're done, you know I like you fit it's environmental. Is that what you're saying? It's environmental, but it's just convenient, right? it's just and also a taco bowl Never eat like it's not cleaner or or or less messy than a regular taco, right? If anything well, okay, it could be less messy if you're eating with a spoon You don't have the taco possibility of breaking and eating a taco with a spoon. Listen to yourself It's not a taco. I said that earlier using this term loosely I will say I Will stick up for this element of of presumptive nominee Trump's Taco bowl. Whoa. Whoa. Where'd that come from? We were we were talking about him. We're saying I Stand up for the fact that he should be able to celebrate Cinco de Mayo. However, he please I mean if you're spelling that s e l l then yes Be able he should be able to eat a taco bowl now. Oh, you sure why not yeah, he should be allowed What what what he writes about it can be debated as as political rhetoric? Yeah, I mean I'll allow the guy to eat a taco bowl. Sure. I think I think yeah I will I will only keep up for his ability to eat a taco bowl Anything else in that sweet fair game? I'm not I'm not here to I'm not here to pick up Donald Trump, right? All I'm saying is that if he wants to say hey, I love taco bowls Then like that's fine. Like that's that's that's the way he decides to get down. Sure It's the most interesting man in the world exactly, I mean just Not that we haven't had crazier things It I feel like in some ways This election is a lot like House of Cards Brian and I were talking about how House of Cards Exaggerates because it takes everything that's ever happened to any president of interest and crams it all into happening to Frank Underwood, right? Yeah, I feel like that's the selection season. It's like sure We had Mike Dukakis riding around in a tank looking kind of goofy, you know And we had Bill Clinton play the sacks on our Cineo hall and a lot of people thought that was cool A lot of people thought that was dumb But we have had so many talk like tub the talkable is just the latest like that's that's just that's just a normal day in politics The stuff is every day. Is that just because of the pervasiveness of social media finally catching up? Like it wasn't quite there in 2012. So um What we have found and why I believe Donald Trump is a important transitional candidate Like I think every candidate that comes after this election will look different and and they will look different Because of Donald Trump on this respect and this respect alone Donald Trump is a post a post multi media channel candidate in that every other candidate that has ever run Including everybody he beat on the Republican side including Hillary Clinton Not so much Bernie Sanders, but this is why Bernie Sanders. I think resonated as well in part is because He wanted to be somebody that was authentic whenever you saw him and he did that at the sacrifice of Staying on message. Sure, which is not consistent because the the the old model Was say the same thing wherever you go because some people might only see you Once in an it's the hit it's the hit radio model, right? Few a few people complain about repetition on hit radio because they listen more often than most but most people only listen for 20 minutes Which is why hit radios repetition worked Yeah, and What he has done is said no now I'm going to be a Random thing on Spotify where it's like yeah, I'm Discover Weekly exactly Now my position is Horrifying right But like that is something that will always be the idea of I believe what they say Has always been something that has been able to be put to the side now whether or not Trump believes what he says is a different story whether or not you like what he says is a totally different story but there is no denying the fact that Voters for him even people who vote against him don't doubt his Authenticity in what he is saying at the moment that he says it and here's the other thing you said Hillary Clinton's name once How many times did you say Donald Trump's name? Well, that's that's the other magic that he does is he gets a for whatever reason It doesn't always matter what the reason is he gets everybody talking about him Well, but I mean he's easily the bigger news story. Yeah without without I mean like yeah, but he wouldn't have to be Like you say that as if it was a foregone conclusion because he's Donald Trump But Hillary Clinton could easily be the bigger news story. Were she behaving differently? well Somebody coming with no previous political experience and having the success that he has had will always be newsworthy Sure, but there's a little bit. I don't know. There's there's there's some there's some magic going on there We and I'm already published so we don't have time to get to the bottom of it But I tell you what I've been telling people if you're interested in this definitely check out politics politics politics Yeah, dude. Yeah, we have we have an emergency episode up now And we'll have the full episode up tomorrow possibly featuring Brian because I know we'll be Farming around my house so Yeah, no, I think it's There there is a very very interesting element to it and this will be my last comment. All right he when you Turn on if you go to his Twitter feed or you or you turn on the TV and he's talking There is more of a likelihood that he is going to say something that you have not heard him say before then Hilary Clinton and then Anybody else that he was running against and that ultimately is something that is Powerful and that will affect how people run campaigns Going forward whether or not he wins or loses Also, apparently TV Zgon points to a buzzfeed post that the Trump restaurant the Trump grill does not serve Taco Bells So that that was the other funniest thing is that like yeah, so it's like apparently the he never said it was the Whatever he got the Taco Bell from somewhere. Who knows? I mean, this will just be like, you know what I love Enjoy your sicko to mile folks however you want indeed indeed