 All right, it is four o'clock. I will call the city's plan commission meeting to order Roll call Mayor Sonson is here older person Mitchell Brian sasma Jerry Jones. Yeah, Marilla Montemayor Dave Hoffman All right for those that are able and in attendance. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all Alright Is there motion to approve the minutes from our previous meeting? All right slow down there Multiple motions multiple seconds from that side of the wing. So Any discussion on the minutes? Seeing none all those in favor, please state aye. Any opposition? Minutes are approved All right Next we have an application for conditional use with exceptions by Brian Kurtz to install a new mural on the east wall of The flooring studio located at 1526 Indiana Avenue Steve take it away. All right. Thanks, Mayor Zach Worth is here who is the artist in this particular matter and what we're taking a look is the flooring studio at 1526 Indiana Avenue Mr. Worth is taking a look at installing a 300 square foot 12 by 25 mural on the east side of the flooring studio Mr. Worth states that over the years. He's thought about painting something large scale outside in the city and because there's a lot of forgotten wall space he's been driving past this site on Indiana for some time and Decided to approach the owner of the property named Brian Kurtz Brian was willing to work with stat Zach to allow him to propose the mural. What we're taking a look at is Let's see the The parking lot is on the east side. So this is the east wall So as you would be driving west on Indiana, you would be facing the mural The does I'll let the applicant talk a little bit about the design Basically what he's talking about doing is once it reaches about 50 degrees and about April or May He's looking to get out there and they would first trace the design on The wall and then after a few days the weather permitted They would be filling the space in with the lines that you see there with black exterior paint Yeah, and that's more of the drawing the blue was just in there to it was dark at night It was to show you everyone. Hey, this is the location where it's going. So it would be black on that green sage The mural design is decorative a symmetrical pattern with fractal leanings The wall was painted the color sage the previous summer and the painting design will be black It's up to the viewer to interpret a meeting that may resonate with them My hope is that the mural will can contribute to beauty curiosity and peace to our community and also to our visitors drawing folks to all areas of the city Staff as with all of these murals wants to plan commissioned to consider a couple things May want to ask the applicant a little bit in terms of the preparation work of the wall for such You know is there any need for sandblasting priming is the applicant using professional paint for the murals and how well the flooring studio Maintain the integrity of the piece in years to come when the plant commission is considering murals What we've tried to do for criteria is to decide is the location appropriate is the size and scale appropriate Is a mural considered public art and not used for any type of? Advertising does the mural represent the city's values culture and people Does a mural activate and enhance the private public space and are the colors complementary and Harmonious with the exterior of the building structure as well as consistent with the theme So staff was recommending approval of the project and mr. Worth is here Does the applicant have anything else to add? No, not really. I mean if you have any questions for me I'm glad to ask cool questions from commissioners jury Thank you mayor One of the main questions I have is about ongoing upkeep who will be in charge of making sure that it's kept up Okay, and what kind of materials are we using as we're using exterior paint I talked with the manager of Sharon Williams are donating everything I need to use and they assured me that it'll be long-lasting And of quality. Yeah, great. Thank you. Yeah, Steve one of the conditions that you do have As far as condition of approval is talking about the proper maintenance of the mural And so condition number five just basically says apk and she'll properly maintain the mural and any issues of disappear She'll be addressed immediately if for whatever reason the mural falls and disrepair the building owner will be notified in writing And required to make the necessary repairs within 60 days if the repairs are not made within that specified time City River serves the right to repair or remove the mural at the owner's expense Any Additional comments questions motions comments anything I'd make a motion to approve subject to staff recommendations Motion second final deliberations Seeing none all those in favor, please state. I any opposition that item is approved. Thank you Next item number seven application for conditional use permits with exceptions by Old World Creamery to construct a new building Editions in off-site parking lot at 1606 Erie Avenue personal number 59281205060 Steve Thanks, Mayor Steve Knaus is here from Old World Creamery David O'Brien from Bayland Builders the Contractor and Craig Rush from Wagner excavating and there are some neighbors here as well for this matter So what we're taking a look at today is Old World Creamery is proposing to construct a new addition in off-street parking at 1606 Erie Avenue and The parcel that was referred to The applicant states that there are five building additions proposed for this project one new Off-site parking lot and the relocation of a truck scale I'll just go through a couple of the different building additions But Steve tends to be able to explain what they are much better than I can The first building addition is between the existing brick building the original building and the brick black intake building The addition is called the wastewater building addition and the addition roof area is approximately 2050 square feet Next the second building addition is called the intake building addition and it's located on the east side of the existing intake building This is also next to the north to the wastewater infill building addition Semi-tractors and tanker trailers are backed into the intake building to unload Four additional feet will be added to the building to allow for an overhead garage door to close when the trailer is attached to the tractor Currently the trailer needs to be disconnected from the tractor during the unloading process So the overhead door can be closed the front of this building addition will line up with the wastewater infill building addition the third building is called the production building addition and this is the largest one at the north east corner of the site The location of the proposed addition is in the area of the old and unused loading dock The area is concrete NAS fault surfaces and the addition is approximately 11,340 square feet There are two required emergency exit doors One is located on the north side of the addition along st. Clair and the second is located on the east side of the addition along north 16th Street The fourth building addition is called the silo building addition And this will connect the existing silo building to the proposed production building And this is a small roof area extension of approximately 73 square feet The fifth building addition is called the infill building and is located to the south of the production addition Which will be used for the storage of products and consist of approximately 3,375 square feet the parking lot The employee count on the largest work shift is 18 with the building additions There's the anticipated additional employment of five people for a total of 23 employees Minimum of 23 spaces is required because the minimum parking is one employee per the largest work shift The existing parking lot located on site at the northwest corner of the project allows for 18 spaces There is a vacant residential lot where a house was recently raised to the northeast of the old world creamery site It's located at the southeast corner of north 16th and st. Clair and this lot is proposed to be Used for additional parking entrance to the off-site parking lot is from north 16th similar to the raised house Drive entrance and the surface will be asphalt payment with concrete drives And the proposed lot will provide approximately eight parking spaces One handicap parking space will be relocated to the west of the entrance to the retail shop along Erie Avenue So this provides a total of 27 on-site and off-site parking spaces So it's meeting that minimum 23 parking required the existing truck scale Relocation with the proposed production building addition the existing truck scale located at the northeast corner the parser We'll have to be relocated north of the production building The scale allows the tractor and the tanker trailer The chanker trailer to be weighed the entrance approach is concrete and is along north 16th Street The applicant is Requesting several exceptions for the building scale in parking lot and based on those request staff We'll be including a condition of approval that requires the applicant to reinstall curb gutter sidewalk within the north team North 16th right away. So that's that section just to the east of the new building addition that will be in filled with curb gutter and Back to a city street specification the applicant discusses Reconstructing the truck scale due to the proposed additions and it appears that a portion of that will be in the St. Clair earth. I'm sorry the north 16th right away So the applicant will be submitting what's referred to as an encroachment permit to utilize a portion of that Right away for that purpose. So we'll likely see that go later date Apkin is installing a six foot tall fence to screen the house located at 1529 St. Clair Avenue from the off-street parking lot So there's presently a fence there now and the idea is to extend it Along that parking lot. So it protects the house from the new parking lot Old-world Creamery is somewhat limited in terms of land and appears to be adding structures where space allows and where the additions function Well with their internal production Apkin may or the plan Commission we want to have the applicant address the approximate time frame for the project and Does Old World Creamery have plans for any potential structures or improvements in the future? There are several exceptions that are requested. This will be Interesting if you went my point these out The production building addition is Proposed to be 10 feet to the east No to the north 16th Street property line and six feet for the required emergency door Yep, yep, that's it right there The proposed building addition will be 21 feet to St. Clair Avenue and the 16th for the required emergency door The intake building addition is to be 14 feet to north 16th Street The wastewater addition will also be 14 feet to north 16th Street The truck scale will have a zero-foot paving setback to the property line And that's why they're asking for the encroachment the onsite parking lot pavement setback of five feet To St. Clair Avenue and to north 16th Street, so The it's five feet to that off-street parking lot to the property lines. Yep on 16th and fifth and requesting landscape ratio and some Landscaping and buffer yard requirements So I can answer any questions that people may have the applicants are here and there are some neighbors here for this item as well Do the applicants have any additional information that you'd like to add My name is Steve Knows Manager Whatever you want to call me. I managed that plant for our family company Steve did a very good job explaining pretty much everything. I think one of his questions was what is our timetable on that? timetable I talked with Balan today, and I also talked with Well, concrete stand up tip up wall and they're on schedule for August 1st of this year Everybody knows there's a shortage of our timetable so we have a Roofing company that does all our roofs and we have a Roof onsite, but we have no building. We have no permits So they were telling us it was going to be November December for roofing materials And we don't want to put a roof on in November December So we went and already purchased all the roofing materials So that we would have a roof when this building gets up That's just a decision we made One one thing we are doing is it started out to be a smaller project 10,000 square foot building and then we run into trouble or we ran into the issue that the power lines that are Running underneath that building We had a real relocate because we could not build over them Talking with a lion energy They came back and said that your transformer in your switch gearbox is outdated. We have no parts for it If that blows up today, you've got no power because we got no way to fix you So that made us Re-look at it and then we wanted to also we wanted to take care of and manage our waste water So the infill between the buildings is where our main wastewater flows out of we're putting a complete basement in there we're going to take our wastewater and Run it through our waste treatment facility and bring it back to the city and the water is going to be cleaned out There's going to be no fat. There's going to be no solids in it. Our BODs are going to be lowered We're going to bring the water or the wastewater we send you is going to be Clean and that's what we're trying to do We do not want to be on the checklist of the bad guy in the city that he's cheese factory or butter plant is dumping Fatty waste down your system. We don't want that. We want to manage it before it gets to you So we decided we're going to do that infill well then we looked at it I was with bail in one day and I said, why don't we close this whole thing across here It's going to make it such a nice building and that's what We added another six seven thousand square foot to it So it started one building then it went to two and it went three and pretty soon now we got it how we'd like it So if you have any questions for me You can ask me. I can tell you a little short story about Why we're putting this here facility up? The byproduct for making butter our main business is making butter we make about a hundred thousand pounds of butter a day The byproduct is butter milk So we're taking the butter milk and running it through Reverse osmosis. It's an arrow. They call it from there. We're taking the water out of that If you want to call it cow milk you're taking the water out of the cow milk and We're using that for our washing all the equipment at night so we're saving on the city water that we need and At the end of the day that water goes through and we clean it up and we send it back to you We're taking the solids from the butter milk which is we re-inject that back into milk and We've been working on this for about a year now and we came up with a formula to make cheese back out of that product So we're taking that we're gonna make cheese out of that product and get all them solids that We want out because solids make us money and money makes us more money so We want them solids to put back into the cheese and we're gonna sell the solids to other cheese processing American cheese processing companies And we're taking the byproduct from making cheese, which is way and we're gonna take the water out of that again and The solids from that gets sold to another company that uses it for animal calf feed gets dried so at the end of the day There isn't nothing leaving the city that doesn't get sold except the water to clean water. I'm giving you back so We know That wastewater is an issue and we want to we want to solve it before we have any more problems with it So we invested a lot of money in our waste treatment plan waste treatment plant is sitting here ready to get installed We don't have a bill to get but we'll get there chat so This is not related to this project, but the last time you were before us you talked about adding a line for soft butter that could be put in Containers and sold on the shelf and is that project moving forward that project is moving forward They're fine-tuning right now. We were waiting for some equipment for our butter churn that we installed Was supposed to be up and running last July. We had hold-ups for Computer screen touch screen for the Alan Bradley products So that product two weeks ago was our first run on it. Our butter churn was up and running We have to make a few changes on that But yes, we did run that product and we know we can do it so but that's our second line That's going to add once that line gets up and running. That's going to add another Roughly 35 40,000 pounds a day of butter to the operation Well by adding butter we had more butter milk. We had more cheese everything so before we would move on to really expanding that plant and getting it up to the 300,000 pounds a day of butter that we want out of that plant. We wanted to Get all the solids out of there and we wanted the cheese plant running. So at the end of the day There's no extra cost. I'm not sending anything bad down the city drain that I'm going to get charged for So All right, I cherry Thank you a couple of questions for you Chad if you could pull up the overhead view of the property With the truck scale, what kind of timeline do you have for trucks to come in and out of there? I mean what time of day would they be coming in and how long would they be on the scale on the site before they're moving out? Normally normally we try to do our unloading during the day We are with the increase of volume. We will be using some 9 10 o'clock at night. Okay, just for the If I need to make 500,000 or 300,000 pounds of butter, I got to bring in 600,000 pounds of cream Well 600 that's 15 semi loads and takes an hour and a half to unload the load. So we are gonna Try to do all our, you know truck scaling bringing trucks in in daylight hours But there will be times that we will be doing weekends and nights a Second question with the off-site parking You want you had to respond just a second so but can you talk about the fact? How many of the houses to the north of that scale do you already own we bought nine of them houses north already For the for the reason for expansions years down now, okay, we don't want to stop at that point We want to do another expansion in the next three years two to three years. We want to continue going north so there's nine of them houses from if you want to go all the way to the dead end on St. Clair all the way to 17th Street and in the corner of 17th and St. Clair we bought that large one on the corner Do you own all the houses between 16th and 17th on St. Clair? We own everything but two three of them right now. We're negotiations with two of them Okay So our goal is to Purchase that all the way up to the alley and and Make that But we already purchased nine of them homes, and I think we raised five of them. We have Three more to raise Or there's yeah, we raised a few homes They just where those where that truck scale thing is There's you know, they own a lot of the properties to the north of that and their goal is to have more of them So there should be minimal little less impact on those people that are just fronting that scale And the second question I had thank you chat Was the off-site parking did you work with a neighbor on the fence and the idea of the fence and where it's going to be in How high and everything or did you just come up with that on your own? We came up with with city staff We came up and the staff said we recommend you putting a fence here And we thought that would be a great idea. We can work with the neighbors I can have Balin work with them. I gladly work with them. Tell me what they want and I'll build it Okay, that little fence is nothing to what we're spending on the property Yeah, I have a question was those 27 parking spots we have on site is that pretty much going to support your staff that that works At this factory. I'm sorry. I said with the 27 parking spots we have that's pretty that's going to support your staff So really the on-street parking is going to be minimal correct minimum. Yeah Yeah, okay on-street parking will be minimum. Yeah Yep, I'm just thinking that's maybe some of the questions the neighbors might have possibly so okay additional questions from commission members No, I believe one of the neighbors is here that lives next to the parking lot And there's other neighbors here as well if they have any questions additional comments from the public any input questions comments concerns Could you please step up to the microphone? Yeah, and then just name and address would be helpful Tony Rose like 15 20 St. Clair Sounds like he's taken out the parking lot at the semis Park and so where are they going to be all on the road? For everybody's information you understand that the building across the street On 17th used to be the transportation the trucking company We are in negotiations of buying that property. So all that trucking will get parked over there Okay So they're no longer they two weeks ago. They moved out of there We're in a negotiation with that They've got some issues that they have to work through on that property Because with the with the dean's foods foreclosure and everything They inherited it. They didn't want it. They were told they had to take it with the judge So now they they have some problems they have to work through so that is our plan to park everything over there Right now. We have only tankers that are on the East end of the building are full tankers. So our plan is to get them unloaded get them over onto the west side Get them parked in the parking lot. Yeah, we know that won't be there no more but We'll get places for Okay, they won't be parked on the street Okay Additional thoughts comments from the public. All right additional comment guys good Everyone good motions comments Motion second final deliberations Seeing none all those in favor, please state I any opposition That is approved great. We've exhausted the agenda April 26 next meeting. We is there much do adjourn? Motion second all those in favor of adjourning, please state I any opposition we are adjourned at 426. Thank you everybody