 if we could all mute, if you don't mind. Okay, I confirm you're live. Thank you. Thank you very much. Good afternoon, members, officers, and any members of the public who are viewing this live stream of this meeting. This is Friday, 30th of April, 2021. Welcome to the meeting of the Grants Advisory Committee. I'm Councillor Joe's Hales. I'm the chair of this committee. For information, members of the public, the role of our committee is to consider and make recommendations to the lead member for finance, Councillor John Williams, on applications made under the council's grant schemes. Councillor Williams then makes his decision taking into account our recommendations. Members, can you please remember just to keep your microphones muted unless you're called to speak, in which case you'll need to unmute for obvious reasons. Otherwise, we keep going, am I muted and can you hear me? Okay, can we not want to cut that bit out now after doing it for a year? Okay, agenda item number one, apologies. Aaron, can I come over to you for apologies and also would you mind doing the roll call as well, please? Yes, Chair, thank you very much. We've had apologies from Councillor John Williams, the Cabinet Member for Finance for this meeting. Otherwise, we haven't had any other members. I'm going to read out your name if you could please confirm that you're present remembering to unmute your microphone before you speak. Councillor Daunton, please. Yes, I'm present. Councillor Wellington. I'm here, thank you. Councillor Huntley. Me too. And Councillor McDonnell, please. Yes, good afternoon. Thanks, Members. Councillor Hales, clearly we're aware that you're also present. Thank you. I'm going to do the declarations of interest now, Members. So if you could sing out, if you have any please, given the page number, that'd be handy as well. Thank you. I have a couple, Chair. I need to find the page numbers, but it's the two which relate to Willingham Walsh Football and Willingham Action Group. It's a non-pecuniary interest. These groups are in my ward, although I am not, I don't have a connection with them apart from that. Don't see that as a... A problem. ...declaration necessary. So take your advice on that. Should I speak as normal on those? Yeah, just because it's part of your ward doesn't necessarily make it an interest that you need to declare, but thank you. All right, OK, yep. Anybody else, please? Yes, I need to declare page 11, the Patworth Ministry. I'm a member of that congregation, but wasn't aware this application was coming forward. And also page 18, Swavesy Spartans, which I have supported, and page 20, Fen Drayton Churchbell, which I've supported. But I don't think I'm not a member of any of the organizations, just the last two are part of my area, my ward, and therefore have been asked for advice about them. Thank you so much. OK. Aaron, you can advise Sue on probably the first one, but you have her through probably OK, boss, end of it. Yeah, thank you. That's fine. I mean, Councillor Wellington did state that she was unaware of the application coming today, so it was obviously not discussed it with the group. And really, I think the only thing would be if Councillor Wellington had a financial interest in the organization, which as a member of it doesn't sound like no. And then that's fine. That would just be a non-pecuniary interest. Thank you. Thank you very much. Anybody else? No? Brilliant. OK, thank you very much. OK, so that's agenda item number three, which is the minutes from the last meeting. I'll go through as normal if I may. Please sing out if you see any things to change. Page one. And page two. Yes, Chair, under the third paragraph down on page two, it was my comment about the mobile warden scheme. I don't recall saying that there were negative perceptions around the mobile warden scheme. I certainly didn't mean to say that. Really, my reasoning for suggesting that we bring it in line with, was simply to bring it in line with Age UK, so there's no confusion. That's all that was about. I don't think there's any negative connotations with the mobile wardens as a name, OK? OK, what would you like to say? Well, I think you could just remove. Just just to say a line with the Age UK schemes so. To community wardens to align with the Age UK scheme. Simple as that. Yeah, OK, that would be part that would be down to those schemes to make those decisions. Yeah. Not not for us to dictate. OK, I think that would be the right way because a lot of these are around most people. If it was just a suggestion, Joe, so I know there's some. Let's change the words to what you suggest and then we can go with it afterwards. Yeah. Right, Okidoki, agenda item number four, community chess funding applications. Gang, as we've been told, we have a lot to get through. And Vicky, you're going to be running this year for us. Thank you very much. In that case then over to you. Page seven, I think the first one. OK, thank you very much. Thanks. As you're aware, there are a few. I did intentionally provide quite a lot of detail in Appendix A. So we would hopefully save time today when reaching decisions. So going on to the first one is the Cambridge Futsal Club. The project is to run a football festival for a period of 10 weeks, April to June. Well, we're almost at the end of April, but I believe they're looking to start next week now if they haven't already. But so it's a futsal, different type of football, but ultimately it's, you know, promoting a healthy and active community and a different type of football as well. So it's enhancing the skills of that sport. It's much more sort of intricate than the kind of football you see on the local rec. Since they submitted their application, they've actually been able to reduce their costs. So they've sort of shown quite a lot of endeavor on their own to, you know, to make this project succeed. If you want, I can go through those reduced costs for you. Just very quickly. So, Chairman, yeah, Chairman, I'd like to because that was going to be one of my comments that some of these looked a bit high. So you guys looked a bit high. Okay. Okay. So initially they had the hall higher at 110 pounds per hour. They've managed to get that reduced to 88 pounds per hour. And also I think they wanted it for five hours per day. And they've been able to have that, they think they can get the tournament in four hours per day. So, 88 at four hours for the 10 weeks is reduced from five and a half thousand to 3,520. So quite a big reduction there. And as a result, because they only need a referee for four hours per day over the 10 weeks, that's reduced to 400 pounds. So the total project cost now is 3,920 pounds rather than the 6,000 they initially thought. So, they've worked really hard, I believe, to make that affordable to those teams that they want to attract. And they're looking at youth age under sevens up to under 14s. I mean, it's a really good club. And I think they'll get a really good amount of participation, again, with this grant funding to make it really affordable to those teams that want to participate. So, yeah, that's kind of, it's gonna be a maddingly, counsellor by got support to project, although not totally aware of what Futsal was. I think it's quite a new sport for a lot of people, although it's been around for sort of 10, 15 years. It's sort of, this kind of thing will raise the profile of that game. So that's that in summary. If there's anything else in addition you want to know, then please let me know. Okay, thank you, members. Sorry, let me go ahead. Let's have a little speak first. Right, Sue, did you end up first? Then Claire, then Bill. Well, it seems a very worthwhile project. It covers the youth element. It covers activity and the social interaction bit as well as the competitive bit. And I think that it is probably very good value for money and I would support it. Thank you, Sue, Claire. Yeah, I would support it. And I'm glad to hear Vicki that you said that they've been able to reduce the cost. I mean, I think even the reduced rate of £88 an hour, you know, you'd think that the university might be able to do a better deal than that. £88 an hour for the hire of the whole is a lot of money, but obviously it's not 110. I like the idea of it. I think this is exactly what is needed now to get people back after COVID. And I think, you know, it's a good way of doing that. And also, it's a good way of involving a smaller number of people. I know that some villages struggle to get a full football team together, whereas this I think would bring on, you know, more in a smaller group. So yeah, I'm supportive of it. Thank you, Bill. Yes, as I said right at the beginning, I thought some of the figures looked a bit high. I mean, I used to run a football club or be it an old Gitts football club rather than a youth football club. But you know, the figures did stand out at being quite high. And I'm really pleased to see that they've managed to bring them down. I agree with Councillor Daunton that it appears to be even at 88, the charge per hour seems a bit high for a project like this. And also the refereeing, £50 an hour seems a bit high as well. But having said all that, I think it's a good project, a good idea, and I'm happy to support it. Brilliant. Thank you, Peter. Yeah, so I have a Japanese friend who's a fanatical football player, so I'll introduce him to Tom Bygott. And he can explain all the rules internationally. I think the nice thing about the project is the intent to have our whole age group from under sevens right through to 14. So I think that's very good. Yeah. Brilliant. Stick your hand down, Pete. OK, well, I'm not going to say anything else, because it's all been said, so I'm in favour of this too. So since everybody already have their intentions and they need to go to the vote, so that's a yes on that one, Vicky. Thank you, please. Thank you, Janice. OK, officially moving on to another wonderful sport, cricket, Little Shelf with Cricket Club. Quite a large club, been in existence for a long time since the 1870s. The project is to use the grant funding to purchase, install and in the cricket board, ECB approved non-turf match pitch. The existing cricket square, excuse me, is quite small and can't support the current growth of the cricket club. So I mean, it's used currently by eight teams, five junior and two senior, and they also rent the pitch out to the county under 13s team. So quite a broad age range of use in there. And they hope that installation of this pitch will also allow them to grow their club further. Those, you know, stands to reason that a weather type of pitch is going to take more than just a standard glass pitch. So, yeah, they're applied for an ECB loan, but that will only cover 90% of the costs. They did ask the parish council for some funding, but as yet have not heard back from them. They also hope to get some support from the pavilion, the Little Shelf pavilion committee, but they're not sure as yet how much they will contribute. But it, you know, it does look that they are looking for finance quite sort of broadly. The parish council have confirmed that they fully support the project. Oh, sorry, I've contradicted myself. So they must have since replied, but not able to provide funding because of the majority of their funds have gone to the local COVID effort, but they are in support of the project. And again, this is a project that promotes healthy and active community and develop skills. And hopefully with the addition of this cricket square, we'll, you know, make the club a bit bigger and broader reaching to not just Little Shelf, but those villages surrounding. Thank you. Pete, you had your hand up. Just a quick comment. I mean, a lot of the cricket pitches now are going to the non-cliff for the central part of the pitch for all sorts of reasons. And of course, it reduces the water usage that's required to have one of these. So I think it's a good thing. Okay, brilliant. Anybody else? Are we in agreement? Can I just, Bill? I just made a very quick comment. I mean, I'd love to, I'd like to see parish council supporting things like this, to be perfectly honest. Having said that, I'm willing to just to accept that they've spent quite a lot of their money on the COVID response on this occasion. But ordinarily, you would hope that a parish council would support it. But any, I mean, said all that, I'm supportive. Perhaps we can forgive them this month. Yeah. Give them last year. Okay. Yeah, can we just put hands up, guys, if we're supporting, please? That's the, you know, miss as well. Thank you, Vicky. Next one. Okay. So moving on to hard week. Jay will be aware of this building as we are. It's the local scout and guide building. It's been there. Does that mean because you're both scouts and guides? Well, we're both originally from hard week. So, and I think we both were scouts and guides. Yeah. She's seen Jay in short trails, as that's all it was. Oh dear. He's totally throwing me now. Sorry. So yeah, so they're looking to get their roof repaired and reading through my notes. The total cost of the project is 11,664 pounds. They're looking obviously for the full funding of 1,000. I mean, this building has been there since the 1950s. It is in need of refurbishment and it does get an awful lot of use from the scout and guiding community within hard week and the surrounding villages. I mean, being a brownie or a guide myself, I think it provides you with good skills that perhaps you wouldn't get from other sort of local community groups. So it seems to me a worthwhile project encompassing the whole community. And they've also said that they're hoping, well, they're preparing to get a grant from Girlguiding Anglia for 5,000. And if we award them the maximum of 1,000, the Scout Trust Corporation will match this. So that's the hard week. Any hands up for anyone? Peter? No, just quickly. I mean, I think one of the key benefits is that it sounds as though this will be provided out of school term. And as we know, that can sometimes be a problem. So it sounds very positive. Thank you very much, anybody else? I'm just giving my heads up. I'm, yeah, that's the heads up from Sue. Claire, yeah? Yes. Belle, yeah? That's me, yes. That's everyone with you again, Vicky, please. Thank you. That's good. OK, moving on to the Papworth Team Ministry. The ministry exists, this team exists to support senior citizens within 15 local villages. They organise events around Easter and Christmas and in August run a four-day holiday club. This project is called Ronde Vue. And the funding is being sought to support the event which will be held in August. So they're planning two days of activity on the 11th and 13th of August. And it's, I mean, it could be considered a COVID recovery, I guess this one, but it's just, they want to encourage people to get back together. You know, lots of people have been in isolation for an awful long time. So they want to encourage the senior citizens that they look after to get back together and enjoy each other's company. They've provided a life breakdown of everything that they're spending their money on. The total cost of the project is estimated at £16,032. The Parish Council are going to contribute £200, but they're only applying for £500 from the CCG pot. Yeah, essentially a nice project to get people back together. Can I check that figure with you? Yes. It says here, 1,632. Oh, yeah. What did I say? You need to turn the page. Yeah. Bill, you need to turn the page. It's Friday afternoon, Bill. Yeah, I was fine, I just wanted you to turn the page. Yeah, I'm glad you're listening. Yeah, 1,632. OK. Apologies. It's all those who haven't had any alcohol. It's 1,600 quid. OK, Claire, Claire first then Sue, please. I think that we should support this. And I just wonder actually, Vicki sort of stolen the idea from me. I think I would say it was more suitable for a COVID recovery grant. I think at the front, Claire, Jay was saying that we've got a shed load coming up. You heard that, if you had just joined at that point. Just pre-meeting, we've got a shed load of acupuncture application from both. So it's kind of like some look like they can and some they can't. It's coming out the same pot anyway. It's just different heading. So perhaps we'll leave the officers to figure out which one it's coming from. Or that's fine with me. And I just wanted to check through you, Chairman, with Sue that it is organised by the team ministry, but there's no Christian instruction associated. And that wouldn't be a problem for me personally, but I don't think that we would support it. I mean, it's for anyone and everyone. Yeah, OK. OK, Sue. I did ring the Vicki when I read this. I have to admit, but it is a regular event that has been dropped from four days to two days because of the pandemic. It's basically the idea is it's sort of holiday at home for those who can't get away. And so people, all the arrangements are made with volunteers to pick elderly people up and take them to Patworth Village Hall and make or look after them really for the day with entertainment and activities that each will enjoy. And my understanding is that there will certainly not be religious teaching. It's very much a social event for elderly residents in. Well, one of my villages, Lowworth, is part of this group. And I know a 93-year-old that will go from Lowworth. Excellent. It's that sort of event. Excellent. Bill, hello with my hand, Joes. My question was the same as Claire's. Do you want to make sure that it's open to all, that's all. Yeah, this is, I've just applied for funding to Melbourne Paris Council for something gruesome. And got that. So I'm all over this. I feel these are brilliant. Myself, so I'm assuming that we're all in support of it. Claire, you want to come back? Yes, please. How much are they asking for? They're $500, yeah. Over the page. Right, thank you. Yeah, thank you. I can see $200, but that's for the French Council. Oh, yeah, of course, yeah. It's just clipped over, isn't it? Yeah, $500, yeah. Yeah, it's $500, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yes, OK. Yes, then. OK, thank you. Right, yes, yes, for me. Super, that's a unanimous thing. Perfect, OK. We got the key next one. Next one is the Cambridge Open Art Exhibition, or COECS, as they are known. This is for the purchase of new art display panels. Display panels are not only required for their, they're normally run in annual exhibition. I think it's their 30th coming up this year. However, they're used throughout the year by various community groups in and around Southcams. So whoever really needs to use them and is aware of them can use them. Quite often used by Cotnams, way overseas, I assume the village colleges. Although they're kind of based there, they can, the application says they encourage young people to understand what it's like to hold an art exhibition. So the kind of things you don't really think about is, well, how are we going to hang the pictures up? Well, obviously, these are the kind of things that they need to do that. So it's the nonprofit oil organization run by volunteers, and it's been existed since the 1990s. As I say, it provides a live experience of our organized exhibitions for the whole community to enjoy. They are requesting £1,000. The purchase of panels is just over that. They've not requested funding from anywhere else, but they have applied for grant funding from us successfully in the past, but not in recent years. I assume when they were last updated, they applied to us for these panels. So that's them. That's lovely. Thank you, Vicky. Anyone like to speak or should we go straight to Peter? No, just very briefly. It sounds worthwhile. I wanted to check, and I meant to ask this on a previous one. When they do the display, will they say somewhere? Will they acknowledge if we make the ground South Cambridge or District Council? That is a question that I do have in my mind for a number of these. Yes. OK, thank you, Claire. I was going to make the same point as Peter, and also just to say it's nice to support an art organization. We don't very often get applications from them, so I'm very pleased to see it. That's true, Bill. Very quickly. I'd like to be assured that they will make it publicize the fact that these panels are available to other parishes in the close proximity. It's all very well saying that they're available, but if they don't know they're available. Yeah. We can go back to them. All points considered, are we in favour, Gain? Yes, yes, yes, yes. OK, let's say your names, please. Thank you. OK, moving on to the next one, which is Steeple Chases Running and Cycling Club. This club started in February 2020, so just before our first lockdown. And surprisingly, even throughout lockdown, they've managed to increase their membership from 25 to over 100 in just over a year. So it just sort of goes to show how important a club like this is, especially in times of isolation, allowing people to get exercising in an encouraging and educational environment. It's run by a lady called Victoria, pretty much on her own. And she wants to grow the club, and she needs, obviously, funding to do that, to keep her current members motivated and also attract new members. To keep membership popular, she offered a reduced membership rate to encourage people to join. But although that's allowed her to attract lots of members, it also means she doesn't have that additional finance to support it as much as she would without sort of dipping into her own pocket. So she wants, she's looking for £827. This will finance coaching and first aid courses for both herself and any other coaches that she brings into the club. Higher of a Village Hall, she's planning a duathlon. I'm sorry, but I don't know what that is. I don't like running or cycling. And £250 for some additional fitness equipment. So those type of things that can just help her grow her club further. Very much, Peter. Very quickly, I think, although I'm not an expert, the duathlon is cycling and running, but... Oh, yeah, probably. Don't quote me on that. I noticed Heather Williams was contacted. Yes. Did she support or...? Yes, since... Since we wrote that, she has been back in touch with us for the project. OK, that's great. That's fine with me. Can I just ask, the £95 to hire the Village Hall, do we know to whom the Village Hall belongs? We don't. I can go back and ask. Because if it's the parish council, we'd expect to have some support from the parish council. OK, I can go back and ask about that. The parish council say they support and like that, whether it's money, money, hands. Yeah, yeah, so if they do have the hall, then it will be nice to understand why they're charging £95 for a community crew. Pending that, shall we... Would you like to support it again? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, seriously. Ready for the next one? Oh, yes. OK, we are looking now at Cotnam Community Centre. So the project is to basically just improve the facility for better heating, because they're obviously going to have to have more ventilation in the building when people start coming back after COVID. They wish to add time thermostatic controls to facilitate timed heating to a line with periods when the centre is normally in use. This centre is quite a busy centre. It holds a coffee shop and also it has about four to six community groups using it per day with a range of activities going on. So the cost of the project is £6032. The parish council have contributed £1,200. They've also managed to source £500 from the Fenedge Community Association. And although, well, they may award £500, but I have also intimated that if we award £1,000, it's likely to go in their favour towards getting that additional 500 from the Fenedge Community Association. And they will also receive a restart government grant and will be using £2,000 towards this project. And the remainder will be used with reserves that they hold. So, again, a really community-centred, community-centre-based project and something that they will really benefit from. Just a quick question, Vicki. Is this the one in the old church opposite the co-op in Cottenham? It is, isn't it? I think it is. If that's the one I'm thinking is, because it's a really, it's a really terrific little thing here. When Melbourne were doing their community project for the hub, we went and spoke with them. They gave us a great deal of advice. So they're very well organised, frankly. So I've got a lot of time for these people. OK, was it, who was for Peter? Peter, yeah, Ray. Very quickly. So I think it's good that they are using reserves. And I suspect that other organisations may come forward in future because of having to increase ventilation and projects like that. So if we could swap the experience from one place to the next, but it sounds very worthwhile. Thank you. Anybody else? I agree with what Peter said. I just make the comment that I made before about being this one also being COVID-related. You know, so whether or not it was it was more appropriate for a COVID grant, that's up to you to the officers. But yeah, I support it. I think it's good application. And they've obviously, they're obviously doing well in attracting other funding. Indeed. Thank you, Claire. Everybody else? Claire, you just put your hand up again. Right, sorry. It's OK. Are we all in favour? Yeah. That's the yes. I could only thank you, Viti. Willingham Wolves. Willingham Wolves. So Willingham Wolves, there's a grassroots adult and youth football club established in 1990, has a massive membership of over 230 registered players, including men and women at Open Aid and above us. Easy for you to say, open age adult and boys and girls at youth level. They also have 40 volunteers. So a huge membership near on 300, if you count the volunteers. A huge part of Willingham Community and probably the surrounding villages as well. So they need some new goals, which will be used by their junior footballers. The cost of the project with nets, the goals is 3,110 pounds and they're applying for a full grant of 1,000. Councillor Handley supports project. And it's a project that will definitely support the footballing community of Willingham. Thank you, Vicki. Just as a point, it's 3,010 in the data, but 3,100 underneath. 110, yeah, just about. I'd blame the other team for that. Absolutely, they're dreadful. OK, Peter then Claire. Yeah, a bit like one of the previous applications, there's a good mix of age groups. It's also nice to see there are male and female teams. That's also really good. So it looks excellent. Do you think their pitch is as hard as concrete at the moment? Yeah, but it was under water a couple of months ago. That's what you call climate change. Yeah. Claire. Yes, so same question as the last one. Parish Council support. Is that moral support or financial support? Yeah, more moral support. They've not offered any financial support. And they haven't stipulated as to why, but they have just said that they support the project. Could I interject, chair? The Parish Council has supported Willingham Wharves a great deal financially. And they are very, very supportive of the club. And the club is a very valuable part of the village. OK, right. That's my question answered then. OK, OK, I'll be all in support, gang. Yes. Yeah, it looks like a yes from everybody. Sue, is that a yes? Sue. Sue. Is that a yes? Just wait. Sorry, I had a phone suddenly ringing that I had to turn off. That's OK, mate. But yes, I agree. That's it. Lovely. Thank you very much. That's another one then. Thank you, Vicky. OK. The Robman-Gavin. Robman-Gavin Wild Trout Trust. This one, there's a lot of detail here, because initially I was a little confused as to what the actual project was. But ultimately, Rob's helping a group called the River Mel Restoration Group. And he's helping them restore the river mel in Meldriff. Rob has been able to obtain funding from the Cambridge Water Company, Pebble Fund, to restore two rivers, the Vickersbrook in Cambridge and also the River Mel in Meldriff. The majority of the funding from that grant has just sort of gone to the preparation and the sort of equipment they needed so they can do the work. What they're applying for from us is in addition to the costings that they detailed, that they'd come from the Cambridge Water. So basically, it's to pay for Rob's time and a pair of waders, three days of work that he will lead a group of volunteers from the restoration group and basically teach them how to do this work themselves ongoing. There's quite a lot of work that they can't do. It involves chainsaws and bits and bobs like that, that they're not licensed to do, which is why they need Rob there to be able to do those bits and pieces for them. But ultimately, it's I suppose a three day course, if you like, teaching these volunteers how to look after their own river, which makes it a better and safer environment for the community and around Meldrith. He has provided me with an awful lot of detail since I wrote the appendix. So if you do have any questions on this, the chances are that I do have them. So. I think before I thank you, Vicky, before I go to Sue, I mean, Rob is the former SCDC officer, environment officer. And I think Sue, I don't know if anybody else knows who you're actually, obviously your officers do, but whether any of the member colleagues do, I don't know, but Sue and I would probably describe the man as 22 carat gold, I would think in the industry department. Yeah, so over to you, Sue, then Peter. That's roughly what I was going to say, Joe, Rob is excellent if he says, this is the way to do it. This is the way to do it. And he left the council to work for the trust to improve his quality of life because he felt that he didn't want high honors and things. He just wanted to do what was right for wildlife. And I have every respect for his judgment and what he does, and I would support it. Thank you. Yeah, I think you get a sense for the thought in the application that it's £991.49. That sounds like somebody has done some homework. Anyway, it sounds very worthwhile and I'd be really interested to hear how they get on. Okay, fantastic. Claire, did you have your hand up? Yeah, I did. Yes, so I agree with what both Sue and Peter have said. Again, Parish Council supports. It says not asked. I did ask the question, but that's probably the one question that I can't answer. But I know that they're aware of the local, the restoration group, but I don't know if they financed it at all. But that's something I can go back and ask. Please, if you wouldn't mind, because if we're going to give the whole amount, they've still got a fair bit to raise. But I'm supportive of it. I think it's really interesting, really interesting project. I think if I can help, Meldriff is one of mine. So they are usually pretty supportive of these actually. I think it's because it's a chalk bed stream, it's like Melbourne, they also support the restoration group, because it runs, it starts in our patch and ends up in Meldriff and then carries on somewhere. So it's... Yeah, can I just ask one thing? This is money for restoration and for nature. It doesn't support a fishing club or something like that, does it? No, not at all. Yeah. No, no. Okay, I just wanted to be absolutely clear about that. Just to be absolutely clear, the Rob was extremely proud they managed to coax trout and what have you back into the river and they were spawning and it was a lovely thing. And then county council came along and I think jetted out some of the drains that emptied into the river, the road drains and then killed a lot of. So he was particularly miffed. So not in addition to denigrate the highways people, but I think Rob would have killed, frankly. There you go. He was the key person that arranged the swifts at Fullbourn. Oh, right, right, okay. Yeah, he made that happen. Right. This is what I think as Sue says, what he says goes really. So are we all in favour of this game? Yes. Yeah. Thank you very much. Super. Okay. And you're number 200 to go, Vicky. Yeah, not long. Okay, I'm to Swaybusy Spartans Football Club, similar project to Willingham Wolves and a similar size football club. I know from living quite close to Swaybusy that they are a huge part of the Swaybusy community. Our very own Councillor Ellington supports this project. They are after some new moveable goals to support their adult boys and girls and now ladies football teams. The cost of the project is £1,995 and they are applying for a fuller award of £1,000 towards those. First of all, can I just ask, Sue, what position are you playing, Sue, in the team? Are you goalie or forward? Well, I've filled the whole goal, so I'm really safe. The team's really safe. Get out of it. Get out of it. Right, Gang, have we got any more comments on this or are we going to just go for approval? I just to say that Swaybusy as a village is football mad, so yes, I support this. I, through you, Chair, I did check with the parish council and they weren't asked, but in the past, last year, for example, they provided over £20,000 for the drainage of the football pitches, so they're very supportive of the football pitches. Excellent. I just want to make one final comment about these fennage villages and moveable goals. It helps the pitch management. The activity moves around the green, you don't wear out one part of the pitch. Exactly. It's probably obvious, but I thought I'd say it. No, no, that's good. Can I just assume we're all approving? I am, so yeah. Yeah. Yes, thank you very much. William now, I think. Yes, William. Yeah, William Action Group are looking to the other way. Their project is called Flowers for William. They are seeking funding for the purchase of six large flower tubs to be placed around the village green and by the Ploughman Hall. And this also includes the purchase of soil and compost for the planters. The group will continue the maintenance of these. And in the future, they hope that local businesses will sponsor the purchase of more tubs. And also, it's not only going to make William look much prettier, but also for the local species of bees and just by attracting those kind of insects, there's going to be more flowers with it. Go to that saying that's what happens. So they're looking for 474 pounds towards the costs of these the planters. And they're going to buy the actual, they're going to purchase the seeds and the plants themselves. Thank you, Vicki. Bill, do you want to go first? Just to say that they're a very active group, the William Action Group. This is not the only thing they're doing for the village. And they are very good at getting sort of self-help, whether it's from the parish council or local businesses. They're not just going to be relying on us. And actually, the 474.94 is relatively modest. So I fully support this. Thank you. Anybody else? Are we going to go for a vote, so to speak? Not clear? Clear? Usual question. Are the parish council putting any money into it? Bill has just answered that, mate. No, he said they were supportive. Yeah, I'm not sure if they put any money in, maybe Vicki could say, but they have certainly been very, very supportive of the William Action Group. Yeah. Financially, I mean. I'm not sure that they've put any money towards this particular project, but they have parish council support and permission to place the plan just around the village. But as with regard to financial costs in this particular project, they haven't stipulated. To be honest, it is such a small amount of money. If you look at it, I mean, the overall cost is 544.94 p. So it's kind of something that I think probably someone could manage their own groups. Bigger stuff, I'd expect. OK, I suppose it's just a matter of principle. And then my other issue is that William Action Group, this is a long-established group, presumably. So they would have the volunteers to keep watering and refreshing the tubs. It's not just we're clear that they're going to be there for a while. Yeah, they've been in existence since 2009. And they have five board members and 35 casual volunteers. OK. Also, they'll maintain support. OK, yeah. Thanks. Jerry. Thanks, Chair. Just a point about the parish council support, really. For the moment, we just take what the applicants tell us. So on the application form, it says, do the parish council support your project? And they usually tell us that the parish council supported us by either in principle or giving us X amount. I was just thinking, maybe we should split that into two lines on the appendix and say, have the parish council supported financially? And when? And do they support it in principle? And the other thing I would suggest, do we, as officers, then go to the parish council? Because we don't at the moment. We just relay what the applicants tell us. But it seems to be quite an important question. So I think in the future, we will change the process slightly and go to the parish councils. So we get that information definitively? Yeah, OK. Yeah, probably when you ask them how much, Pete? Just a supplementary to Jay, which is what we've heard today is the parish council, various parish councils supporting the clubs in other ways. So if that has taken place, I think that answers our question. Yeah. Bill? That beat has just said exactly what I was going to say. Thank you. OK. OK, lovely. OK. Pete, put your hand down, fella. Are we supporting this thing, gang? And tell them might I just make a comment? Just to go back to Jay, because that was very helpful what you said, Jay. So basically what you're saying is that in the future, we will know that when it says parish council supported, we will know what kind of support that is, whether it's financial support directed at a particular application, or whether it's the support as Bill has mentioned for, for example, the William Walls Football Club, that there has been sort of general financial support in the past. Yeah, I think we'll do some more digging, really, about how the parish council will have supported. Because at the moment, all we're doing is relaying to you what the applicant tells us. So I think it's a good idea to do that extra step ourselves, just for full kind of disclosure on each one. Yeah, I think that would be fair. Thanks. OK, I'll keep based on that a wee game bit. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, that's a unanimous. Right, on to St Drayton and the repair of their church bell. It's not been the tower bell has been operable, inoperable since late 2019, when the bell rope parted from a worn pulley block. Quite specific detail there. Well, basically, the bell doesn't chime anymore. So they need some repair work to replace those broken elements of the bell. They had planned to do this work last year, but obviously the pandemic hit and this wasn't able to happen. And I know since over lockdown, there's been times when it's been quite nice to hear a church bell ringing and it just sort of brings back that sense of community into especially such a small village like Van Drayton. So they are looking for an amount of £188.72 to replace their bell will, the rope, and replacement of pulley block for the new bell rope. Just those elements of this repair to get the bell ringing again, which then they can, once we're officially out of lockdown, post-wedding, and we can hear the bells ringing, not just for those, but on a Sunday afternoon or whenever they feel the need to ring their bells. Thank you, Vicki. Before we go to Sue and before Claire comes in, because I think she's going to, because I'm probably going to, say exactly what you're thinking, Claire. And that is, this is very much based around faith. And I struggle with this because I love to hear the church bells myself, I really do. But for £888, you thought the diocese would have sorted this one out. This is their building. It's an operational church, I'm assuming, Sue, is it? It is an operational church, but it is a very small congregation. It is a normally having been a church treasure on several occasions. I can tell you that the diocese do not fund anything very much at all. It's up to the individual church to raise money for its own repair and anything else it requires. And the parish council would, I'm quite sure, support it. But the parish council, because it is, all development in Fen Drayton is isolated one-off houses because of the nature of the land settlement arrangements. And therefore, you don't get any nice lump sums of S106 money as Swayve Seed does or some of the other slightly larger villages. And so it's really hard work to find anything that will support this bell repair. OK, before I go to Peter, Jay, even with what Sue said, I'm still struggling because I understand that the Church of England, I imagine this is Church of England, are pretty well healed anyway at the best of times, which find it really objectionable if they can't put a new bell rope in or whatever it is. Anyway, I'm trying to work the rules, OK? And worship has been very much on a back burner throughout pandemic last year. And so if this is a way of attracting people back to worship as the restrictions are lifted, would this fall under a COVID and do the same set of rules apply because I understood possibly not under a COVID relief rather than the community chest relief rules. Over to you, Jay, first, then I'll come to Peter. Thanks, Chair. So, yeah, the rules are pretty much the same, except parish councils can apply for the COVID side and the wards can be up to £2,000. But it does clearly say in our guidance that we can fund repairs to historic buildings, monuments, memorials. So in my opinion, Church bell would come under a historic building, a part of a historic building. So I think it's fine to fund probably on either side, but as we've alluded to before, it's the same pot and they're only asking for 888 pounds. Yeah, OK. It would have been helpful if they didn't put the first paragraph in, then that would have been the best way of doing it, wouldn't it? If in future, Vicki and Jay, if that's the sort of thing, if it's a historic building, no problems, that sentence of Mary's Church is great too, medieval, that's certainly what you call historic, right? But the first paragraph is the one that's shoved the knife in the thigh, so they've got to be careful. So I think we just need to be cute. So if we, if members, I'll come to you, Pete, now and then Claire, but if members can appreciate that the first paragraph essentially may not exist, then the rest of it falls into place beautifully. Peter. Yeah, I think we shouldn't confuse what are building, ancient building enhancements in the community. So for example, we did support the South Cams, the new clock, a chiming clock in Duxford Church for that reason because, and the reason that was done, which I think was a good reason, was because when the remember and Sunday takes place, everybody gathers by that church and everybody observes the silence according to the clock in the church. So we are consistent with that if we do, if we make an award here. So I personally don't have a problem with it. Thank you, Claire. It is Claire, but you're muted. I'm fine to keep myself muted. I can see where this is going and then obviously I'm very supportive of repairs to ancient buildings. So on that basis, I would support it, but I do think that we have to be very careful about supporting applications for ministry work and I think we really need to be careful about that. Okay. I don't think we would have been able to support it on those grounds, not that we necessarily wouldn't have wanted to. I don't think we would have been able to, but under the historic buildings aspect of the community chest, then I think we can. Thank you, Bill. Yes, I agree. It's the get-out, isn't it? The historic building thing and the fact that the sound of a church bell is part of village life. I'm willing to accept all of that argument, but if it had been historic pews in the church, I would definitely have said no, but we're talking about something a little bit different here. It's all part of village life, the church bell. So I'm willing to accept and support it. Thank you. Just as I say, just as a foreword, if you'd like, because of note to officers, if we could just remember that one in the figure, that's great. Okay, gang, I'll take it then. We're all in, Claire, you've got your hand up. That was that legacy. I think, Joe, could I just also mention there that I think we know obviously these go to the lead member finance for sort of signing off. So I think it's really important when they go to the lead member finance that the basis on which we made this decision was the historic buildings and not the, yeah. We could leave that to officers to represent if they feel like. No, no, no, no, I'll fudge it too much, but you get my drift. Okay, in that case, I'll take it, we all agree, yeah. Thank you very much. And that's another one. Now, okay, moving on to Cottenham Bowls Club, formed in 1940, a very inclusive village-based club with a membership of 87, varying ages and both male and female. Not wanting to sort of put it in the particular category, but very popular with those of an older age group like myself. And they wish to purchase some steps to enable those less mobile members to step down onto the bowling green, which will ultimately make, you know, some people might actually stop playing because they can't access the bowling green very effectively. So they want to, but purchase these step will, so it will ensure that they can get onto the green safely and easily. The purchase of two steps, two sets of steps is costing 1,106 pounds, 60, and they're seeking a grant of 1,000 pounds towards this. Both councillors got, and Wilson support the project. Thank you, Vicki, these are big steps, aren't they? 550 grid of things. Anybody want to say anything? Claire, would you like to ask a question, Claire? I was going to say take that one for granted, but if you want to ask it. Not asked. Not asked. Again, like Jay said, we're just going with information that they provide to us on the form, but it is something I can go back to the parish council or the group and ask them if they have asked. Brilliant. Thank you very much. I'm assuming we're supporting them. Yes. Yeah, thank you very much. I'd like to say, Vicki, you've got a very good track record so far, because some of the jobs were not back in the past. So yes, that is pretty good, like you're doing well, so it's great. I've got a place to turn now. Yeah, yeah. OK. Thank you so much. So moving on to Oakington and Westwick Community Association, planning a village summer celebration. I think sometimes these, going back to what Claire said earlier about this could be perhaps a COVID grant, but I think what's happened here where they're sort of under that £1,000 mark and could be kind of either, they've been sort of put into the normal community chess grants, whereas the COVID we can pay, obviously, as you know, up to 2,000. So this one could be either, you know, could be either or. But they are planning to hold a summer social celebration to celebrate the easing of lockdown. It's Vice-Councillors Chang Johnson and Councillor Malian support the project. They are looking to purchase two pop-up gazebos for use at the event. These will be used for shelter, for singers and musicians that they have at the event, cover their equipment. And they also plan to use these gazebos for any future events they hold. It's one of these things, once you've got them, then you can use them kind of any annual event in normal circumstances. So yes, that is their project. Yes. We lost someone. Peter. Liam, have we lost Peter? Yeah, sorry, I had to answer a question. Oh, you're here? I had to answer a call of nature, sorry. We didn't have to take a laptop with you. Okay. Yeah, it's easier. It's okay, right. Claire, where you going? Chair, sorry. I'm going to have to drop the line in five minutes. I'm sorry. And Murphy's Law applies, of course. So the one in my area is the last one. So if we could, I'll literally give a couple of minutes to comment and then if you don't mind, I will have to leave. You'll be first. You'll be first. Claire, where you going? Okay. So O'Kington and Westwick, right, the gazebos. Yeah, I support this. I think we had a, in the village here, we had a, in 2019, we had a sort of summer feast, a very sort of relaxed, organized at short notice. And I think we really lacked a gazebo. The village really lacked a gazebo. So I'm very supportive of this. I mean, again, parish council support. Yes, does it mean that they put money in? Again, not sure. The forum just said yes, they support. I assume there's quite a lot of costs involved in this project and perhaps they've helped elsewhere, but I don't know for definite. Yeah, all right, thanks. Sue? My only concern is that there is a satisfactory procedure for the storage and the erection and restorage of gazebos because they very rapidly can become unusable because people bend the wrong bits and don't know how to put them up correctly. So I would advocate that we make sure that happens, but apart from that, I agree with it. Yep, lovely. Thank you. I said, yeah, lovely, thank you. So I was on mute, I'm doing me anything yet. Right, okay, then I'll take it we're in your agreement. Yeah, pending what Sue said, and also keep the wind down because that's dreadful. All right, okay. Okay, all right, I will quickly move on. This is actually our last one. This one actually came in prior to the last committee, but we didn't bring it to committee because we felt it was actually only gonna benefit the school at the time. However, since doing a little more work, it does look like there is sort of benefit for a whole community wider than the school and wider than just the Daffodil weekend. So just to recap, there are after 933 pounds, 99 pence for the purchase of two picnic benches and a heavy-duty gazebo. It's the PTA group of Thrip Bro School that are wanting to purchase this, and they're going to make the benches and the gazebo available for use at their Thrip Bro Daffodil weekend, which I understand is quite a large event. And fingers crossed it does go ahead for them this year. But not only to be used at the Daffodil event, they're going to be using it. It's made available to anyone using school ground. So this is what kind of threw us last time because we thought perhaps it was just if you were part of the school, you'd be able to use it. But there are several groups that are not necessarily affiliated with the school that will use those benches and gazebos. I asked why the school wouldn't fund this themselves, and they basically said that the school doesn't have the additional resources to fund something like this, picnic benches and gazebos. It's mostly their funding goes towards educational tools rather than the sort of social aspects of people sitting together. So that's that one in a very quick nutshell. Thank you very much. Peter first, then Sue, and then I'm going to come to Richard if he's online. Pete. Yes, hi. So a little bit of history here. So the PTA did make an application previously for some iPads, stroke laptops for the school, which we said were not part of our remit. Subsequently, I was able to source those from the genome campus for them. So that's worked out. This is a PTA originated project, which does, I think, have wide application to the rest of the community. And therefore, I think we should support. Thank you, Pete. And thank you very much for your time, Southman and Pete, if you're going there. Yeah, I'm sorry, I have to. No, that's all for us, that's okay. Yeah, okay, lovely. Sue. Well, I want to know when we're going to have DaftDeals that grow in June. I thought the DaftDeals were over and they were over in March. Well over. I don't disagree with the project. I have to reduce the climate temperature by a couple of degrees, I think. DaftDeal weekends in June are rubbish, and won't happen. You're right. I can't really disagree with that. Yeah. Claire, if you don't mind, if I said to Richard, he's just come on. Yeah, Richard, are you going? Hi, thanks, Joe. Yeah, I'm just coming along as a member. I just want to just use point. It's not just the DaftDeal Festival. They get sort of craft stalls and all that kind of thing there. So they couldn't have it when the DaftDeals were up this year, but they're hoping to have it when we're allowed to have it after June. But it's normally in March. So it does coincide with the DaftDeals, but it's not just the DaftDeal Festival. They have kind of cultural stuff as well. So yeah, I just wanted to speak to say that I support this and I support it because of the community benefit. I did talk to the people who were making the application. I did talk to PTA before they made it. And I emphasised that point and they convinced me and I know that DaftDeal Group really would use it. It's a whole community effort. There are various groups like the Triple History Society that in normal times would use the school, but they're not using the school now. And they've said that that will be available to those sorts of community groups as well. So I do support it because they did convince me that it was good community project. The one other thing I'll just say very quickly because I don't want to take up too much time from members of the committee, but the Parish Council, I think is ticked as not having been asked. It wasn't asked because of the timing. Triple Parish Council meets every two months and the deadline was before the next meeting. So the Parish Council couldn't properly consider it, but this came to me via a Parish Council actually who said this group wants to apply. Can you give them any advice? So there are Parish Councillors who were supporting it even though it didn't go to the Parish Council. Thank you, Richard. Claire. Okay, so that was my usual question is about Parish Council support. Have they been asked? And if asked, would they support a more kind of support? Would that be moral support or would it be financial support? So that's my usual question. And then I would simply comment that in order to get this past the lead member finance, we'd have to be sure that we were not, this was not educational support to the school, that there was wide community involvement. And I was a bit skeptical, but I think having the additional information from Richard gives me some comfort that it is wider community and we're not, it's not a way of getting a picnic bench for the school, which of course, although we might like to do, we can't through this grant process, give money to the school directly. Okey-dokey. Thank you. Based on what I think that's been said, are we going with this gang? Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Claire, are you nodding? I see you are. I'm just, might I just through you, Chair put the question to Jay. So Jay, when you take all this to the lead member finance, you'll be able to confirm that there is wide community support. Yeah. I think they mentioned that they were going to advertise it to community groups to use as well. So I think that's covered. Yeah. I will make sure that John is aware though, yeah. Yeah, thanks. Okay. Thank you. I'll take that as a yes. John stows it down and he can be the nasty one and we were the nice people. I'm done for get to minute that as well. Right, okay. Brilliant. So that's a yes. So that's, that's what you've done then, Vicky. Yeah, thank you everyone. Right, so that's a 100% track record. If you need to send a message over to John London that he's, he's, he's called Tom Saddy's filed and you didn't, that'd be great. Right, thank you very much indeed. You had the best of luck. Yeah. Right, don't tell him that. Right, okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay, moving on swiftly to agenda item number five. This is Craig's in a one-off support fund to support older people. And we have the officer present, Leslie. Leslie McFarlane, good afternoon. Good afternoon. That was a marathon, wasn't it? That was a very good one. There's a load of people, a load of applications. Excellent. Yeah. So the purpose of this paper is to seek agreement from committee members as to how we use the leftover monies from the older people's budget, which was allocated to the mobile warden scheme. So there was 30,000 pounds left over. So firstly, just seeking agreement from members that it can be spent on other older people's projects. And then secondly, if that is agreed, then I'd just like to seek your views on the criteria. So I have drafted some, but it would be really good to just get your opinion as to who can apply for how much and what it can be spent on, basically. So, over to you. Thank you. Before we go to members, Jade, do you have anything to say to add to what Leslie said? Leslie said, before we go to members. No, thanks, Jase, let's speak. OK, brilliant. OK, Claire first. So I'm really pleased to see that we've got some money here for to spend on older people. And thank you for the paper, Leslie. I, first of all, I thought I was going to be in favour of doing something immediately within the next sort of 12 months. I think that the effect of lockdown will not become obvious initially. And I wonder if we might not be better to look at the things that we already support and to put the money into the things that we already support. I'm just thinking it through and would like to have other people's opinions on that. That's where I'm tending to go at the moment. And I think also that we should allow as many different organisations as possible to apply. I mean, would we in this instance be able to allow parish councils to apply as well as nonprofit organisations? So that's another question to this committee, to this committee. And I just wonder about all projects must target the over 65 age group. Are we are we saying that everybody over 65 is older? It's that directed at me, Claire, or other. I can answer that as I'm only 60 and three quarters. Yeah, they are. Yeah. Until I get the 65, then they're not. Yeah, OK. I mean, I suppose we're staying with this commonly accepted definition, aren't we, of over 65? I think, Claire, we probably it's like, you know, tree driving, how many milligrams you need, it's not fair. When you got one over, there has to be a benchmark somewhere, I suppose. So it's probably the easiest one to do because it's the most nationally accepted. Yeah, maybe I shouldn't complain about how being ageist. No, you're not. You're not. It's just we're all young at heart up until the day we passed away. So there you go. Soon. I would say that. I think I'd like to make it vulnerable people because there's a number of of people who are old before their time from for various chronic conditions and and have suffered just as much as the over 65s. So I think I'd like to hear what people think about that. I'm interested in your idea, Claire, that that we should leave it till later. But it takes time to wind things up if we put forward this proposal that we're going to have this new grant. It'll take at least two months for people to have committee meetings and make decisions about putting an application in. Then there's another month before we look at it. Then there's another month before they get the money. So it will be next winter when most of the things that we're talking about here are actually brought into play. And so I just think that perhaps if we start the ball rolling, it might be better to think about doing that sooner rather than later. Thank you. That's I'll come to you in a second. But if I may, that's that's a good point actually about the vulnerable people. I mean, if you look at in Melbourne, there's a dementia support group and the reports coming back from that have been catastrophic. Actually, whilst they've been massively supported, but the mental health aspect of both carer and person with the dementia has been catastrophic. They are uncertain as to where to go. I think I think, you know, can't wait to get out. But then when that's mentioned, that's perhaps, you know, then is worried about. So, yeah, I think that that would I think probably that would be a better way around. Don't you think if we would go down more of the vulnerable group rather than just make it an open-ended invitation. So the mobile warden schemes have been quite good. The vulnerable vulnerable groups such as dementia groups and support groups and things like that. Disability groups, perhaps the same because disabled people have been particularly affected by covid this last year and there's been lots of reports where people have been quite quite badly affected. Bill, come to you, please. Yeah, I think the mental health thing is the one that I would be most supportive of, supporting mental health and vulnerable groups. If Leslie feels that she can manage it, she knows who the target is. I guess she will. She will be able to do that. The other thing I would just make a point and I have to declare an interest because I'm a trustee of the Overday Centre, but the day centres and lunch clubs are being hit really badly in the last year. You know, Overday Centre and I'm sure that's typical of other day centres it's been closed for a year, had no income whatsoever and they are struggling and, you know, I just wonder whether or not we might bear that in mind as well. But as I declare an interest, I'm a trustee of the Overday Centre. You know, that's actually that's actually a pretty good point, actually. Now, Charlie, is there something that a conversation you might like to have officer to officer, if you like, with regards to that because there's lots of businesses and things like that where I've had hardship grants, where it may not be entitled to a government grant per se, but we've got hardship grants for lots of different smaller businesses who didn't qualify. Now, whether these that's a grey area as to a day centre would be considered to be a business, but actually it's going to be crucial in getting people back out and doing whatever they've got to do. So any I wonder if there is any any leeway in that at all. That might be something you might be able to to inquire perhaps on our behalf with the that business group. Just to clarify, Joes, I do know that Overday Centre has received some grant support, exactly how much I couldn't tell you. But but you know, still, yeah, they're financially still been hit very badly. Still got bills to pay. I think that's that's the thing that these are these sort of places are critical to us coming back to normal life. OK, clear. Yeah, this is a question for Leslie, Joes. So if we're looking at page 33, the options, I mean, obviously, we want this money to be really well spent. And so if we go for a, do we already have an idea of who the organisations and community groups are that this money could be aimed at? So I had a conversation with Mark Freeman from CCVS. And I have a list of organisations here. And if I can find it, I had it here earlier. So when we initially started to think about this, you know, we wanted to we wanted to kind of move away from just the aid UK's and the care networks and really think about who were the organisations that were on the cold face that perhaps hadn't had the same opportunities for funding that some of the bigger charities have had. So I contacted Mark and he gave me a list of organisations. So they were they were organisations such as Cambridgeshire Hearing Health, Atalos, which is a bereavement organisation. All of the day centres over Cotton and Burwell, some of the village halls, some of the like Grandchester Village Trust, Pappers Community Trust, Histon and Impington Friends, a company called or an organisation called ReEngage, sourced and sing for pleasure and Cope, who we already fund through our service support grant, but they're doing some great work. Contact or keeping the elderly who don't lead in who haven't left home, keeping them in contact via telephone, via mutual interest conversations. So it could be around poetry or it could be around the Six William Museum, just to get people talking over a mutual subject. And apparently that that's been really, really popular. And I think those were the kinds of things that we were thinking about. OK, so can I just follow that up, just please? If we if we choose option A, then we would be the idea would be that we would receive grant applications for up to £30,000 from a range of those organisations. How would we how would we organise the spending of this £30,000? Did there is clear there is a I don't know whether it's attached. Did you there is an appendix which follows on, which has the draft criteria? Yeah, yeah. Yes, I see that I was reading that before. So we would take up, we would actually take applications from them in the same way as we would take applications for people in chest violence. The thing is that where we got the £5,000, that doesn't give many options for helping people out of it. So I'm just wondering whether or not. I suppose what I'm really getting at is that it's great to have this pot of money, but actually for all the organisations that you've read out, it's not a huge sum of money. Cheers. So how do we make them? I mean, it's a great idea. It's a really important thing to do, but how do we make the best use of it? Probably not the ground and a little bit so we can spread it wider. It may not be it may not be much, but it's something that's the choice. Easy with that. We'll do bigger grants to very few. Yeah. Remember that we have the we've got the post COVID, you know, the community grant that we're doing to the community work that we're doing, that will also come with grant funding. So Bill, when you mentioned about mental health, because I'm concerned that we might spread the net too fast and that perhaps we could use some of the grant money that will come with the community in the future. Engagement work that we're doing. So we could we could look at how we allocate funding from that. Is there any reason why those two pots of money couldn't be run together to get to get broader a broader effect? No, I mean, I guess at the moment we've got this this pot of money specifically comes from the older people's budget. And I think again, it would have to be run past John, wasn't it? As to whether we can merge that budget with Jay, do you remember? I don't know where the money is coming from for the community. Is that leftover community chest money? Yeah, he's speaking about the community chest COVID grants of up to £2,000 or are you talking about some other future grant money that may come with the recovery projects for just in box? I'm talking about so Catherine myself and Vicky are running a project where we are going to be looking at the enthusiasm and energy for volunteers within the mutual aid groups, community groups to continue working on the kind of health and wellbeing of their communities. And that will come with a pot of money. My understanding was that money was coming from unspent community chest money. No, I think there's two different things that we've got a launch scheme that's already in place that we're accepting applications for to be reviewed next month for the community chest sort of around about £30,000 give or take was allocated to that scheme. With the future recovery work, I'm not yet aware that any amount or any money is yet being pledged for that. But I'd assume there is some money to go with that, but I've not heard any interesting. Yeah, I think there's money coming from the county, but that's that's in the future. Yes, so in terms of merging, I don't think that that at the moment is possible. Yeah, I'd need to make inquiries, Joe. Okay, so really then perhaps we're looking at the 5,000 and Leslie being somewhat lower. Mm hmm. Yeah, I mean, if you get it a two and a half, it's only 12, isn't it? 12 groups and you read out as many as 12 to my knowledge when you're going through them. So your next, Bill, you've still got your hand. My comment was roughly what you've just said, Joe. I would go down to 2000 as a stimulus just to stimulate people and I was a bit concerned that it said that they need to be able to provide up to eight copies of their accounts. My thinking is that we're thought we're potentially starting something new and one of. That they may not be not have been in existence as a committee or an organization prior to wanting to start something, this new support and use it and apply for this grant. So I was just a bit worried about that. Thank you, Joe. Thanks, Joe. Yeah, it's just a point to say that I think that any of these groups mentioned here could also apply for the COVID related community chest grants to add like another sort of £2,000, just put it out there. They could also apply for a community grant chest as well because they're not stopped there either. So they could have three bites at a cherry at this rate. Okay. Sorry, so Joe, sorry, if that was the case, how do we make that simple for the applicants? Because that would be quite a, I think we need to have a think about that, don't we? We want them applying three times. That's a lot of time spent on their part. Exactly. And officers. That was a reason for my question, my original question really. Yeah. Right. Yeah, okay, we need to get that. Yeah, if we just deal with this for a moment, I mean, Sue, I think, and there's a clear answer about suggested that the £5,000 should be a bit lower, I think. And so, I mean, are we looking to try and spread this a little bit more to do some good with more than a lot of good with very few? And if so, can we come down to a prior, I mean, Sue suggested £2,000. And go on, Claire. Yeah, I'm just wondering it, has this already been run by John, by John, the idea of setting up this separate grant for other people? I think we have to get his agreement. So he's happy that we set up a separate grant. Yeah, because there's that issue about rolling funds over and we can't automatically do it. Yeah. Okay, so I'm happy that he's in agreement with it. I think, like Sue, I think we should go for smaller sums of money and reach more people. So what the COVID grant is 2000 maximum, isn't it? Yeah. So I think we should make this 2000 maximum. Yeah. Also, just to say what we found and this goes back to something that Leslie was mentioning earlier, what the work that Catherine is and she are doing. In my experience in this ward, it's not necessarily money that's making a difference, it's actually finding how to reach people and a small sums of money will help. But it's more sort of first of all, finding how to reach people and then bringing the volunteers together with the people. And actually, you don't need large sums of money for that. So is that okay then, Leslie, if we drop that five to two? Okay. Carry on, Leslie, if there's anything else to say? No, there isn't. I mean, so... What we were talking about, who are we going to target? My, yeah, you'd like to widen it to vulnerable. I kind of did mention it, but I didn't put it in part five, I think, or I didn't write it in part four. What must the project deliver? So if that can be changed, all projects must target the over 65s, their carers and vulnerable. I'll word that to include the vulnerable, that we're reducing it to £2,000. I think that if we spread it to mental health, we're spreading it too wide, personally. And I think also, much as I like the idea of it, I think actually going for vulnerable people of any age is going to spread it too thinly too, if I'm honest. I mean, you may lose the effect of it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's a bit like when it's gone, it's gone, isn't it, really? I suppose it's... Yeah, but you might be talking to in six months of person, you know, that's the problem. Yeah. You know, that will be my concern. It actually has no real impact. But can I just interject there, that when you say healthy, promote healthy and active communities, that could in effect also mean promote mentally healthy communities? Yeah. I mean, you could even put in brackets promote healthy, broadly understood, closed brackets and active communities. Because, you know, for the aged, healthy has... It can be a broad range. You know, you can be very healthy of mind, but not so healthy of body. Jai. Thanks, Jose. Yeah, the only other idea that just came to me was that a bit like the COVID grants, we're doing them all in one hit. So I suppose another way of doing it is all about how you communicate the message when you're when you're putting the comms out. But you could say that we've got the £30,000 here to distribute. Please tell us about your projects and how much they cost. And we will have a committee meeting and decide at the meeting how much is funded for each project. It's just another way of doing, I suppose, without having a kind of cap. That's a good... That's actually a very good idea as it goes. And that makes it a bit of work for officers and obviously the committee and what have you. But do you know that actually Melbourne Parish Council do this with their solar farm money? If they're over subscribed, it's a requirement to turn up at a meeting, whether it be virtual or otherwise, and present your case, answer questions and what have you. And then they decide whether or not you're going to get funding. And then they go then to how much they've got and then they divide it up by percentage based on the project. Is there not a risk of... There's an expectation then, isn't there, if someone's project is quite costly, they apply to us thinking that they might get the full cost of you know, full funding for it and then find that they only get £1,000. I suppose that caveat has to be made, doesn't it? I mean, at the moment, we can only give £2,000, so if their project was going to cost three, there's still a third short. I mean, like, you know, it's not... This is a... This is perhaps almost seed funding, something to a degree. You know, get going and then find money from somewhere else. Yeah, if you want to. Sorry. Yeah, I think the only other thing I wanted to say was that we just haven't had the take up on the Covid side as yet. We've had five applications for the Covid side. So it would be a shame to get to that meeting and then only two people having applied for £2,000 each kind of thing. I don't know what the appetite is. I don't know if you've approached the organisations, I guess probably not because, you know, we haven't yet agreed it. So yeah, that's the only thing I would be wary of, making this brilliant fund of a brand new grants process and then ending up with just a couple of people and being left with £26,000, what to do with. I know and I personally absolutely don't want to do this because this is money. Do you remember this is the mobile warden scheme that went after procurement? Then we had some leftover that we should put into the existing grant scheme and now we've still got some leftover. So I don't want to be in that situation again. So my guess has come back to my earlier point and that's what I was trying to say earlier on that a lot of the help that's needed out there doesn't need money or doesn't need very much money. And therefore, you know, the other option of putting the £30,000 into the organisations that we already support, you know, should we, it would that be a better option? And actually the fact that what James just said makes me think that that's even more true, that there is a need for work to be done out there, but it doesn't necessarily need financial support. I mean, you don't need money to go and pick up an elderly person and take them to have a cup of tea or take them to meet other people. And I know here that that's what's so lacking that they used to have a social club every Thursday. And boy, have they missed it. And that doesn't need money. They pay us, you know, that's kept going by the village here, but they can't do that now a lot at the moment anyway. And even if they could, they'd be too scared to go out and to mix. And that's the kind of work that needs to be done on the ground. Jenny. Thanks. Just lastly, I guess the only other option is just saying a range. So the scheme offers grants between one and £5,000. Just the other option, I guess. What do we think? Is it we need to come to this? Say again? What did you say? Sorry, I'm just wondering, I mean, it's really important that we do the best thing with this part of money. I'm just wondering whether we need to come back to this. I'm sort of looking at Leslie, whether you feel that if we don't make a decision today, that would be not a good way to go. Well, I think... Sorry, Leslie, go on. Well, my response is if it doesn't go today, then going back to Sue's point, it just lingers on. So I think you either have to make the decision that either we agree today that we're going to use this money to support older, vulnerable people, or we get assumed into the service support grants, which are existing, are existing customers, if you like, and then we decide when we get when we get together in July at our workshop how we will fund those service support grants going forward. And whether we buy them for net, you know, to who we, who we invite. OK, I'm going to do, I'm going to go slightly off piece here, I think, and she's probably not the right way to do it, but when we've done a lot today and we can sometimes trip ourselves up by trying to do the right thing. So my question is going to be first at Leslie. It's going to be aimed at both Leslie and Jay, but it comes to Leslie first. What would be your preferred route? You know, having listened to everybody's arguments this afternoon, part of me actually thinks maybe we just put it into the service support grant. If the evidence is, as Jay says, that there's only been a few applicants for post-COVID money, there is lots of post-COVID money around at the moment for organisations to apply to. But maybe this ends up just being one of those funds, which is undersubscribed and then we end up with left over money again. So based on those conversations, I think I would go with the service support grant route. Jay? Yeah, I would support Leslie on that and also add the caveat that we approach each of the groups that Leslie's mentioned and ask them to directly apply to the COVID pot, which serves to increase the numbers on the COVID pot and gets them some extra money so everybody wins. Excellent idea. Brilliant. Okay. Bill, you had your hand up, it's now gone down. Was that the guys answering that question? I think Leslie and Jay have pretty much summed the top. I mean, I was going to say that I think that we should be targeting the elderly in particular because they are the members of the society being so badly and mostly affected by COVID. I mean, I know vulnerable people who are younger are also affected, but by, you know, the fatalities were almost, you know, most were 60 plus. So that was what I was going to say. But having listened to Leslie and Jay and after all that, you know, they're working with this day in, day in and day out. And if that's what they think is the best use for it, I'm willing to go with that. Okay. Given that the service support grants haven't received additional funding for some time. So again, that would be something that would come back to the grants advisory committee. Following our workshop would be seeking to increase funding. If this money can be, again, you know, we need to run it past John's ring fence for the service support grant. I mean, we might need to be reminded what all the service support grants do actually, actually do support. Because we don't, none of us, I can't remember what they all do. And again, well, we can go through that the workshop where I can send you that information prior to the workshop. So you've got that and then we can take it from there. Yeah, that's the idea, I think. Right, so we're running with Leslie and Jay's preference for the moment with the view for the workshop as well. Aaron, you've got your hand, don't you? You're on me, Curtis. No, you're not. New and hand up. I mean, I'm sorry. This is I'm not used to these new headphones. That's why my apologies. I hear buttons on your ear. No, it's it's one of these new ones with the arm anyway. Sorry, I didn't catch what Jay said. When everybody said, oh, yes, Jay, I agree with that. It would basically be the rollover option on the report, Aaron, and a bit of work behind the scenes to make use of the Covid grant. That's all. And so. Yeah, I'll support that. He created, right, Aaron? As your fact, Aaron, on that last piece with regards to the support grants and what have you, Leslie and Jay were quite clear about what their preferences were. Right? And I think we've all heard that. That's fine. So the minutes probably be a discussion with Jay and Leslie just to confirm the wording. But I think we know where we're going with that one. OK. Thank you, everybody. Absolutely stonker. I don't know how many we did there in 19, wouldn't I? Great. And thank you very much, Leslie, for this piece of work. Sorry we were in the houses and came back to where you actually wanted to be in the first place, which is brilliant. But anyway, hey, what the heck? We've done it right. We've done it justice. Now. There is a possibility or no possibility that the 28th of May may or may not be in person or sitting in the car park 25 feet apart. Because people haven't made the right decision further up near the River Thames. However. We are where we are. So that's that's the next date. It's the 10 o'clock on the 28th of May, which is a Friday again. We're next meeting. At the moment. So at the moment it will be potentially advisory where more advisory than advisory was before. And then I think the chief executive makes the advisory to the advisory to the lead member anyway. You get you get where we're going. But either way. Love it to see you. Thank you very much indeed. Has anyone got anything else they want to add, say or whatever before we go? Enjoy your bank holiday weekend. Yes, I enjoy. Yes, indeed. Indeed. In that case I'll call the meeting. I'll hang on there. So carry on Jay. Just one thing, just to remind everybody that there is going to be around about twenty five thousand pounds left for this COVID community part, which we will be discussing next month. So please do ask groups that that you know that to apply for the scheme and we'll do some more comms on that this this week or next week just to try and get the word out there. But yeah, do please have those conversations with any groups that are doing anything remotely related to getting back together after COVID. There's hardly any rules around whether they can or can't apply. It's just all about getting people back out there. OK, thank you. Thank you. Right, Liam, could you end the fade for us before we all go?