 Like it's a deja vu every year, we keep saying, oh, lessons have to be learned, but really are these lessons being learned? Speaking on electoral participation in the U.S., I do not have a dual citizenship, so I do not vote for the elections, but I have been there to witness how peaceful it gets. Most times in the United States, when you're even electing the president, it's on a, well, COVID now made it a daily basis where every citizen is not just one day where all the citizens look back themselves and come to a polling today and start casting out votes to save the process with security. And now you don't see too much, you don't even see police standing at anywhere as you want to cast your ballots. And I say that because I understand that in America, the difference between America and Nigeria is more so ideologies. When you classify the parties, the political parties in the U.S., they are focused on their ideologies, what they think for the United States. In our Nigerian electoral system and the parties and politics that we play, it's self-interest. That's why you see a lot of people coming today acting a fool out of themselves. I was in APC, I was casting APC now, I'm in PDP now, I'm casting APC, just all of that because the leaders that are leading our country are just for their personal self-interest. Now, some key takeaways for the electoral process of which I already wrote an open letter to Mr. President, if anybody in this team decides to push it onto them. I feel like the situation of this electoral process that we just had yesterday, February 25th, should be suspended by the INEC. The, to announce a winner right now would be very, very unfair to Nigerians who believed in the electoral process. A lot of Nigerians, the reason why you have a great voter turnout for this year's election is because INEC had assured us that this year would be about our vote. We also as citizens had to educate other people who were not interested in voting this year that this year your vote will count. Now, seeing all the magics that have been happening within yesterday and today, it's very unfair for any citizen who believed in the electoral process to actually come again to vote if a leader is being brought out with this sham of an electoral process. Now, I, for one thing, there should be enough vetting. That is one thing the United States does, they vet their votes. They do not have a coalition. I don't even understand how the coalition comes to be where, within hours, we've already declared a winner based on the numbers. You're supposed to vet the votes. At this term print, the same term print with someone else, if we had a good, I would say infrastructural system for our voting techniques, we would have been able to upscale some of all these things that are coming up now. But I, for one thing, that this vote, the votes that have been put in need to be properly vetted. The electoral act says that if the polling agents do not sign on the ballot paper, that voting, that unit is void. Now it will be unfair because of people that have not yet voted in my case to see results and then INEC now void it in general, without actually hearing our own votes. I think some reruns need to be done before declaring a winner because if you declare a winner, that person becomes the president elect. A lot of people now start seeing the person as the new president. So now that person has an influence in Nigerian political system because to the normal Nigerians right now, that is the person who would rule us. So my plea to INEC is to suspend announcing a winner that properly engage in vetting the results. The same way INEC vetted the application process when we saw a lot of children, a lot of people mixed identities and they gave us that hope. I'm pleading with them that they should also vet these results and give us hope, let our voices be heard. Let me talk about trust deficit for a second here with you because you're a young person and it's worthy of note to say that 80% of the people who picked up their PVCs and are registered for this election are young people, including the new entrants, people who've never really voted before, even though there's a handful of people who are more over the age of 18 who have never voted in their life. So great. Many would say that young people championed the move, the energy that's in the atmosphere that cost people to come out and vote yesterday. But with all that's happened, it seems to be weeping up that trust deficit sentiment again. What do you think all this does to the psyche of the person who has been so hyped up about this process, so excited that this is the first time in a long time that their votes will count. We saw Nigerians come out. Some people were posting on Twitter, well I'm bringing food to the polling unit. Who's bringing water? Who's bringing a canopy? We saw people together. I saw a video of a pregnant woman who was so exhausted from waiting for the elections to begin and wanted to leave. People volunteered to turn on the air conditioning in their car as to help her to wait while the process started for her to be able to vote. And that's the resilience that we saw displayed. But with all that's happened between yesterday and today, does it put a dampen and how does this affect the psyche of the average voter? It puts a great dampen, the psyche of any young voter in Nigeria. It's very heartbreaking and I don't think any Nigerian, if INEC is allowed with all of the atrocities that have been done, if they succeed in giving us a leader that was not the said, that did not replicate the votes of the young people, I do not foresee young people partaking in the electoral system again. Now it could be two ways. It could be a new show of force towards the next polls, seeing as, okay, we've learned our lessons and we've seen how they behave. And now we will champion it for the next four years. I'm so sorry to talk over you. Haven't we been learning lessons from 2007 to 2015 to 2019? Do we have to continue to learn lessons forever? I mean, lessons are supposed to help you to get better, but we're not getting better, are we? No, certainly not. We have been learning lessons, but like you mentioned, there was a great number of votive registrations. So a lot of young people saw this election as a means to believe in our electoral system. I, for one, had to preach to a bunch of young people to explain that their vote counts. Now it's very heartbreaking to see that if the young people's votes do not count, I don't foresee them partaking in any election that Nigeria would bring again. It's very unfair if you look at the videos yesterday. A lot of young people were there. The people that waited to count the votes are young people. These are the people who believed that after counting the votes, it will be transmitted. Now I guess the transmission point, you're giving a lot of trouble. Some young people still made it possible to ground the INEC staff there till they actually transmitted their results. Some other young people followed the INEC staff to their offices to make sure that they transmitted their results. That is to tell you that young people want to be heard. They want their votes to count. Now if manipulation happens, I do not see young people taking it lightly with the government. I do not see young people taking it lightly with INEC. I do not see young people believing that INEC would even be able to hold their votes to power. Now there's a lot of petitions right now going on. We don't even know who to petition to anymore. But people are saying may perhaps INEC should not be handling our electoral system. For me, for one, I would even think let's look for another country, or better still, there have been different people. Young people are even bringing out different ideas. I'm sorry, I don't know any country that looks for another country to run its election. So that's out. It's... No, no, no, no. I'm putting it to you that that's out of it. We're not having that conversation. Nigeria's electoral body has to find a way to have free and credible elections. We don't have another country. So that's totally out of it. We're not going to have that conversation. That's understandable. Good. Like I said, other young people, it's just one of the ideas. Other young people have been thinking about, oh, perhaps we should space out the way we handle the presidential elections. Maybe we have a region take on one week. Another region takes maybe the second day. Because focusing on a lot, like my brother Fine Face said, the security apparatus we have is very limited. The security system we have is very limited. If we said, okay, dispatch these people to Southeast Handuya election, February 25th. Dispatch people to Southwest Handuya election, February 27th. You would see a different electoral process happening. Because a lot of people would now feel that, oh, they feel safe. Like he said, you go to a polling unit where you see some 300 people. And they're only, they're like six police officers. But there you go to where has 1,000 people. And there's only two police officers. So the security apparatus is literally limited for the election. We also felt safe because president was also sending military. We could see that the president was trying. But then it also has to bow down to how do we perfect this? Right now the electoral system, I stand on it. The election of yesterday, if the way it's moving, produces results. The results are not the voices of the young people. Okay. Let me come back to your Fine Face. Let's talk about underage voting, which actually stuck out yesterday like a sore thumb. We saw pictures. We saw a video of a young child at a polling unit. The questions were posed to him. What are you doing here? And he said he came to vote and they asked for his PVC and he presented it. Now I want to take your mind back to conversations that we've had, questions we've had to ask INEC about, you know, underage voting. And INEC did promise us that one of the reasons why they were stopping our registration for PVCs was so that they could clean up the voter's register. Correct me please if I'm wrong, Fine Face. And then they also talked about the fact that underage voting was not going to be a thing. But then we saw what we saw yesterday and this is what shocks me the most. The police chief, the commissioner of police in Carnish State did tell us or talked to a TV station yesterday saying that the children can vote because INEC had given them PVCs. Help me understand this. Well, it's unfortunate to hear that. But I think that the police chief wouldn't have made that comment that the child, the children can vote because INEC has given them PVCs. That is not what he should have said. He should have arrested that child and then proceed. I mean, and even kind of sue INEC if it's possible. But now let me tell you one thing. I'm happy you mentioned Carnish State. I have not watched that video. But when you talk about underage voting or registration of underage persons to vote, what was coming to my mind is how I wish I know the part of the country where this incident happened. And now you've made it clear that it was in Carnish State. Now let me tell you, in 2011, I served as INEC, a restoration area, center officer. That's a raccoon. No. And I was in charge of restoration in San Pares State. That was my national service here. And I know what happened when young people that are below the age of 18 came to be registered. I refuse to register them. That cannot happen because the law doesn't provide for people below the age of 18 to register. It became an issue. From INEC headquarters, I was summoned that I should be careful and do according to what they say for my own, to even protect my life. It became an issue. And what have you? I removed my face. And that happened because my life was important. Because at that point in time, I even know what I passed to her. So far, I was chased because they believe I was working for Jonathan. I said, I'm not working for anyone. I'm serving INEC and I'm serving the nation. So those things happened. So INEC has said that we are cleaning up the voter register to move on the age person. How come these ones doesn't happen? And let me tell you, most of this cleaning up that INEC come forward to tell us from Apuja doesn't happen in Apuja. Those things happen at the state level. At the state level, who are the people in charge of the database? Where these things are happening? Before they send information to the national headquarters of INEC to make announcement about possible successful cleaning of the voter register. So INEC know what they are doing in relation to this. And that is because when it has to do with some other parts of the country, the laws doesn't apply. But when it comes to other parts of the country, this same country, the laws apply. I have no things I don't want to say. What do you mean by that fine face? You're a national TV. When you say stuff like, oh, the law applies in certain parts of the country and doesn't apply in certain other parts of the country. What exactly are you talking about? Yeah, that is why I said I'm on national TV. And there are things I don't want to say. But I know quite well that in some parts of the country, there are laws that don't apply. In some other parts, there are laws that don't apply. Now let me give one example with Tafiya Al-Faibor. I served in Zanfarah State. And my one year of stay in Zanfarah State, if you go to Gusu and you check opposite the Amic and Tumens in Gusu, just check around there. They are selling Indian hemp. Youths are smoking Indian hemp everywhere. They are selling freely on the streets with other drops. But come to the south, just come close to the south. In fact, the police here will arrest you and give you, they will give you some raps of maybe sand. And the moment you pick it, it means you don't know about Indian hemp. But when you don't pick it, it means you don't know about it, then you go in for the punishment. But in the south, that kind of thing cannot happen. But in the north, it happened. It happened. So if you check the entire voter register, you will see that there is no, or if you check the entire people that voted yesterday, you see that in the south, no parents, nobody can even ask the child who is below the age of 18 to go out and be registered to vote. It can't even happen because we understand what that means. But in the north, because that is their power, the oil company of an average lieutenant is the election process. So they try as much as they can to ensure that their population increases. So they work hard to ensure that the laws are violated by having people below the age of 18 to register. You can imagine a commissioner of police coming to the public to say that in as much as INEC has given voters card to someone below the age of 18, the person should vote. That is not what we are supposed to hear from them. That is a kind of pollution and a kind of collaborative effort to weak the Nigerian people. What about people of the age of that child in other parts of the country who never allow their own children to come forward to vote, to be registered so that they can vote? So we should try as a country to condemn what is bad and take action for what is wrong and not allow the law to apply in some other parts of the country than what applies in other parts of the country. We are all Nigerians and we must have to collectively work out this country. That is why I have had several opportunities to move out of this country. I said, no, I have to be here and contribute my own quota to the growth of this country because the other countries, where others are, when they call it Jaguar now, where they are Jaguar into, there are people that have worked hard to make that country to work and now people want to get there. I have chosen to be here to make my own contribution to make this country to work. That is why I will not stop in my advocacy that I work and I'm doing for us to make Nigeria to work. Nigeria someday will be like some other countries that are now very, very envious to other people and will all make it work. And the first thing we are going to do is to make sure our electoral system works and the way of the people are able to pass through the ballot box to bring about a candidate that everybody accepts. I want to go back to something that you and I probably disagreed on and that's the electoral act and the law generally because I'm still stuck where a police chief can say on national TV that because young children were given PVCs it's okay for them to vote because they cannot do anything about it. And that's why I accelerate on that. How many of these law enforcement officers know what the constitution says? How are you enforcing a law that you have no idea of? When you talk about training and retraining I mean we hear about police reforms, we hear it, we only hear about this maybe on paper but when it comes to the proper reforms are they really done? So again, the average for example let me use the US before you're arrested you have to be properly mirandised and then what I mean by that is you have the right to remain silent you have the right to an attorney if you cannot afford one the state will give you one. But in Nigeria how many police officers know their duty because you see they're doing stop and set they're doing the job of you know what do they call them the traffic management guys they're doing the job of the road safety they're doing literally everything but their jobs so I ask again how do you enforce a law that you're not aware of? Well they may not have been properly trained they may not have gotten the maximum knowledge of the law like lawyers do but they know the law to the extent that they can use to enforce it remember the law says that ignorance is not an excuse before the law that you are not familiar or you don't have knowledge of the law that doesn't give you any excuse and the police officers know to the best of their knowledge the laws they can use to address a particular situation now let me tell you one thing that has to do with the law the police officers knowing the law and then failing to implement the law because sometimes it's to their advantage now I ask the police officers I've had many of them how come that you charge somebody for a particular offense you know that the magistrate court does not have jurisdiction over the matter then you take the matter to magistrate court and they laugh at me they say you think we don't know what we are doing when you commit an offense and you refuse to cooperate with us we charge you to the wrong court so they can be remanded in correctional center where the matter is investigated and that is what has been happening that is why every in fact more than half of the matters that are charged by the police maybe the person that the suspect has proven to be be be be be be knowledgeable or proven to know his own right they charge you to the wrong court and you are sent to a correctional center to go and stay there just the way of punishing you and that is why our correctional centers are so congested today that you cannot even have a correctional center that is supposed to house or accommodate like 1,000 people having at least that same 1,000 people there but you have like 2,000 people or congestion is everywhere there they know what they are doing they have knowledge of what they are doing when you see a child that is below the age of 18 even without carrying out any test or on that child you we know looking at the face of a person you will notice that they are 18 but the police chief said that they can't tell they do not have the monopoly of knowledge to tell who a child is from a person who's got stunted growth so I'm not like it's only pretending not to know it's only pretending not to know because when you see that child pick the pvc in the hand of that child check the dates on that pvc that is investigation call up the vet certificate of that child if you do not have the vet certificate try to know whether that child is in school what class is that child try to carry out some investigation when you put some of these plus and minus together you'll be able to arrive at an average age of what that child should be there is no body that we see a child that is below the age of 15 I mean 18 that you will not know they will come for you not to know and the police chief of his class is very very experienced like the inspector general police told us that this election he has seen it to be one of the freest in his career he's not trying to he's trying to like use our head not to say that this election has been violent free more than even the 1993 presidential election of prof. Sabiola their daughters are not that is what he's trying to tell of but now we put in that look throughout his career this election has been the freest and let me say he's been without violent free throughout his career if you look at the inspector general police now he must be above the age of 50 if you minus 50 years from 1993 you will see that he was already in the police when the incident happened that is to say he systematically telling us that the election this year that we just finished was the best compared to what happened in 1993 so now haven't made that kind of statement a man who has that kind of knowledge and have been conducting an election and be part of an election from the day he joined the force to now cannot tell us that those who are working under him that represents him in various parts of the country cannot see a child or a child who is below 18 and he cannot be able to say this child below 18 so they are just pretending and I think that look when he has to do with law enforcement if the police is determined to enforce the law they will enforce the law now something happened in River State some time ago there was an incident like three, four, five years ago like like four years ago that involved the killing of you know people coming from Night VG crossover nights in River State you may know these stories are available on the internet when those people were massacred in parts of River State the police and the Secret Service and the authority they determined that this thing that has happened they must take action in less than two months or one month they took down someone that was suspected to be mastermind of that that is when police wants to walk there are many incidences of when police wants to walk they can actually walk but sometimes they pretend they don't know what is happening and that also it contributes to the installation of the matter for which they would have made it before if they are taking action to address it when it was already developing I'm going to wrap this up because we're going for the news at four but I'm coming back to you Nick what do we need to do to hold INEC's feet to the fire because it now looks like the owners is upon us to make sure that INEC does right by us we can't also because then there are those who would say that even the judiciary process you cannot trust that it would give you justice but then we do have to try can we throw away the baby with the bath water so my question again how do we what do we do to hold INEC's foot to the fire but all of that's happened since yesterday then the young people, the youth need to still take this upon ourselves to now help INEC become the auditing firm the electoral processes the results are already being posted some people my team is already collating who are helping INEC also collates the ones that have issues we hysteric them we need to be able to call out this discrepancies in this electoral processes and I go back to my brother that was talking about kind of the youth we call it the Kardashians as Kando, Kassina and Kanduna those are the states that bring up the best magic I don't know how they do it but they literally perform the best magic because there's no way we are using the same beavers in Lagos that is taking 600 people hours you can see them going on till the ninth to even choose their leader or putting their votes but then in the north you're seeing over 20,000 people completing election in 12 hours we need to know what type of beavers maybe perhaps they could send us those beavers to use here so that we can also get ours faster the way they are getting it faster anyways but back to the topic Nigerians just need to have a sense of responsibility now to hold INEC accountable the world is watching us the Africa is even watching us we need to be able to say no this is where you people made the error we are smart a lot of young people are very much smart to pick up all this information the people that are showing INEC's discrepancies today are young people the old people well those ones they are relaxing but young people now just need to create a sense of entitlement to say and responsibility to say this is my country this is the last thing I'm going to do for the country towards achieving a good electoral process we need to vet INEC we need to vet the records that they are showing us wherever we see discrepancies we need to put it out and call it out and I would plead again with INEC to currently suspend announcing any winner till we are fully satisfied with all the electoral processes in all states that have been conducted finally fine-faced in just a minute we've seen several leaders of the free world we've seen the president of the United States we've seen members of the diplomatic corps all telling us how to go about our elections in a free fair incredible manner and I mean how bad can your electoral process be for people from leaders of other countries to tell you oh we need you to do this we need you to do that because this is how you get good governance it really has to be a bad process right so what should we be taking away from this because for years these people have been telling us you need free you need fair you need credible elections but we always always go the other you know we always go the other way even when they say this is the way walking and we're going this other direction what should we be learning here and now what we should be learning a lot of things one of which is our preparations I know today given excuse about you know one team not working the other one not walking and the other one walking they had four years to prepare for this election it's a charge or let me say someone who was admitted into university in 2019 with that strike has graduated now having a degree in a course so how come I know expense four years planning one election as he has issued the area they need to improve is the area of logistics and when they have to prepare with logistic they have to put in place major because every year they complain about logistics even on Friday they were still picking materials from the central bank of Nigeria when they ought to have been moving those materials to the local government areas where they will be shared they complain logistic they have to improve in that area now we're talking about electronic you know introduction of electronic into our voting system which is the beavers now the beavers is not working it's failing out there was the testing of the beavers they conducted sometime in February part of you know this month but you see have a situation whereby a lot of them are failing we need to improve on that process now we'll talk about real time what they told us was that they were going to make sure that the votes a result have been transmitted real time from the center but today we have had zero this is over 12 hours after election we have not seen any good result transmitted on the server we need to improve our system for the international community and the local people to believe in what we are doing all right well I want to say thank you Nikolas and Woomera is a youth ambassador and he's a political scientist fine-faced dunanime is the executive director youth and environment I want to say thank you so much gentlemen for having this conversation with us we appreciate it we'll be all eyes will be on the national coalition center in a few hours to hear from the INEC chairman and all that's been transpiring since last night thank you once again thank you all right it's still the ballot we will be back in time to join with the national coalition center of course conversation surrounding what the outcome of these results would be and of course if INEC will be addressing some of those concerns and complaints from across the country Amir and Akram will be back