 We're going to meet with the auditor and then we're here at the facilities plan update. Is anyone willing to do an evaluation of the moving plan and monitor? All right. I'm just going to raise my hands. Nancy, your care is community. Is there something you wanted to address to the board as part of our community? Yes, yes. I just wanted to, I talked to Laura last week because I was curious to know whether this board was the agency to whom I should address an appeal for request for public records. This seems to be a little bit of a dispute at OSSB. The public records law stipulates that any appeal is to be brought to the agency, which I don't know what that means. When I spoke with the agency of education, they suggested that it was the board, which I don't know one way or the other. So, if the board could enlighten me, that would be helpful. I reached out to Lane and Cajun today, so you want to? I can speak. As you know, you've received a letter from Heather explaining the exceptions to the board. And also just requesting that, you know, any communications about to go through them as the board's representative. In terms of once that matter is resolved, I mean, you can make the request directly to me and I'm happy to. Okay, so I'm here tonight as a member of the public and I know I'm also involved in litigation with the school to try to get my son special education moment that we've been spending a lot of money on fighting about, but not coming to reason on whatever our bearing perspectives are. So, I know that that's the attorney's position concerning that and I have responded in kind, but again, I see a duality here and that I am a member of the public and so in taking the appeal, the question is, is this the proper body to address the appeal? Because I've heard from your attorney. But you have not heard from me. And I would make the request to me. So, okay, so when I spoke to the agency of education or maybe it was Laura, with all due respect, you know, I brought it to the district, you know, and so it seemed to be almost futile to bring it back to you with again, all due respect and so far as you're the superintendent. But we haven't communicated directly over that. So, that would be the. So, if that's what you're saying and suggesting. Yep. And so, what I will do is once I get the official request, you know, email is fine. Well, I've already made it. So, do you want me to make another request? To me, yes. Thank you. Once I get the official request, the question that I will have of PHO is, you know, it looks like there's two pathways here. Right. And so, this pathway, because the litigation that's pending is already been addressed, but this is potentially another pathway. And if that is correct, then we should be providing the document. Okay. So, I don't want to get bogged down here because, you know, this is your meeting and so forth. But, yeah. Again, I can't separate myself from being both people. You know what I mean? So, I think what I'll do if you're open to this is I'll follow up with you. And then, I don't want to make a big deal out of it. You know. No, but I think there's a legitimate question there worth answering. Like I said, what I'll do is as soon as I get that, I'll ask the two pathway question. Okay. And see the advice that I get. Sure. I copied Sean. I sent him a response, albeit late. And I, yeah. And I have materials here. I'm happy to give it to you tonight. Okay. Yeah. Plus, it's interesting to find out. Well, I don't believe all the legal interpretation. I know who it's talking about. I'm trying to be outside a little bit watching it. Well, you know, I mean, you know, because I don't see this as a discovery issue, because I'm not interested in it for discovery. I'm interested in it as a member of the public. It's a little circuit to it. It's a little bit, but again, I want to respect the form that I meant. Yeah. Okay. And then what I would say at that point in time, if the response from me is unsatisfactory, that would be the time to take it. To bring it back here. Yeah. Okay. Very well. Thank you. And to put that in writing to the board chair, I had a time so we can get it on the chair. Well, I call Laura very well, you know what I mean? And I do have something in writing, but I don't want to obviate the process if you're laying it down. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Other community, yes? Yeah. People are curious what's happening with Mr. Barnett's position and responsibilities. Short term and long term. How about the district? So currently, and you can guide me, because there's just kind of two questions there. Currently, what has been happening is that Ken Cadow and Katie Sutton have been stepping in to provide assistance, administrative assistance. Both of them have their licenses. And so they've been very supportive in terms of making sure that the day-to-day operations, the discipline, and then some of the bigger work on curriculum is continuing to get done in David's absence. Right now, we are in the middle of a search process for an assistance principal for the high school. They met today to kind of review and determine which candidates they want to go forward with and interview. And so hopefully that whole process will be wrapped up in the next two weeks or so. And that position will start on July 1st. And that would be assistance principal or assistance principal for academics. So a strong focus. We're looking for somebody with a strong focus on curriculum. So assistance to Elijah. Josh, did you have anything to ask as a community member? We had David already. All right. So next on our agenda is to meet with the auditor. Could you send an agenda and stuff over here? It's just a gigantic fashion thing. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He performed June 30, 2017 audit of OSSU and the member districts. At that point, they are all still separate and has consolidated until July 1st. So these are all the audits. They got finalized sometime during the last... Well, the last one was a march and the first one was probably January or so. So I was asked to come and kind of present the audit. I don't... The numbers are kind of... You've already received all the numbers from Robin. So I don't know if you really want to go through those or not, but I have... You have copies of one. I have OSSUs. I just had a couple of things that I kind of wanted to talk about. One is all the audits were clean audits and the single audit was at the supervisory using that law for that year and there was no single audit findings on the federal program that we tested. The only issues that we kind of have to do with the reconciling of the bank accounts that are not done at the supervisory even though they're done by the outside treasure and then some of them related to the high school and the tech center of the cash accounts associated with the scholarship funds and the agency funds. We didn't find anything wrong with them. They just... Some of them weren't getting done timely or they had really, really old outstanding checks like years. This is similar to... I don't know who I talked to last year on the board because this is all on your board, but I talked to the supervisory on your board. I did come about a week ago and meet Robin and we went through the beginning numbers to get them all right in OSSD and she's working towards that, but the OSSD bank rights have not been done since July 1st. So I don't, you know, that's... I think there needs to be a little bit of pressure on the treasurer to get those done. Robin's been trying to get them done with my understanding. So anything that you guys can do to get that rolling. I don't know if the treasurer's here. So you're talking about the beginning half year of OSSD's operations from July 1st, 2017. So we're running on... So when do we have to complete that audit process? So your next audit will be June 30th, 2018. You really should reconcile bank accounts monthly and hopefully within a couple weeks after that month ends. And I think it's just a matter of process because it would be really good that got done using the account software in the business office because that's what it's meant to do and otherwise you're just recruiting more work. And then also making sure that you have all the other accounts named correctly because there's a lot of other bank accounts and it's not just the main bank accounts. Each district before had multiple bank accounts and so the big ones all got moved over. Most of the cash, not all of it yet. So there is still money in the other districts named even though there really isn't any other districts. So I think that Robin was working on getting those done. She had the April bank statements for those and we kind of went over what we feel the correct balances and to get that moved over. So it's just a process that the business office only has so much. They can't say, call up the bank and say transfer this money to this account. That's not their job. So that just means I would suggest getting that done. Obviously I would imagine that the statements that you've been getting are accurate but they're only as accurate. The bank statements are not reconciled. There could be something wrong but I think Robin knows enough about the income that's coming in and the expenses that are going out that she can compare it to the budget and to history even though it's history to all the other schools. So that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with this audit but I just know that she wants to work on getting this to be smoother and earlier. You don't really want to be completing the audits in January, January and March. It'd be nice to have them done by January is actually pretty much when most schools get there. December would be nice but January is usually how most of them kind of hold up on our districts. Other than that, they're unqualified reports. You're able to find everything you need to define. Very helpful. Very professional. That seems like all the special ed students who run smoothly with the accounting. I know that there was some discussion about our chart of accounts and we weren't getting much guidance from the state initially about do we have a good chart of accounts that you're satisfied with? Your new ones? I haven't really looked at it but it's my understanding is that the state is still requiring you guys to break them out by each school. Which is still. So the chart of accounts is huge. Why would that be? And for much longer. You don't know. I think it's because not everybody's consolidated maybe they want to keep track of how much each building costs. Not each building but what's going on in the building even though the revenue's not coming in that way the revenue's coming in in total. Yeah. So I think counterintuitive. Right. We're encouraging districts to merge to save on that sort of time. The good thing is there's not money getting built back and forth based on that. Right. So the revenue side is definitely more streamlined. The thing with so many expenditure accounts it's easier to maybe not post it to the right account and do the best. Thankfully they're already used to doing it by school. They already know the codes are 1237 and whatever school and some other code is another school. They're also doing the transition to the new software mandated by law. I don't know if that may have anything to do with that. So like for the audit purposes I definitely don't care by school. So it's really just for the STAT report and gets in August. I think it's August. That has to be done by and I don't even think special ed. That might be still going. I think that's reported in one, you know by services not by school. That's basically really what I have unless there's any other questions. We can go over the numbers but you've already approved stuff for the new district and these are the numbers that are all coming to any numbers and making the beginning numbers for the district. So even though that chart of accounts is by school when you do the audit next year is that one consolidated on it as opposed to separate ones? There'll be just one audit for it. Awesome. What will be a little bit the tech center and that stuff maybe still probably it'll be its own fund like it already was. So there'll be the information that we have to look at is still all the same but at least it's only one report. And hopefully, you know, we get the reports easier and consolidated way. I think that they could be even though it's each by school it's also by each by the first 1100 functions and then that's actually how to report the audit by all 1100s. So it's not, so all the 1100s from all the schools will be similar to how you budget, right? That works. I mean it starts with the schools but then it fits. So you'll still be spending just as many days? I felt bad with all the days I'm hoping that with doing some more preliminary work some of that stuff is still just because that was our second year and just getting this stuff. It's really was a cash and the accounts payable so we already worked on a lot of that I think it will hopefully be four or five days tops. Now on the old checks that were being deposited so basically the cash handling with the student accounts Well those are still going Okay. Do they have a clear set of procedures for how they're supposed to be doing it? So it just wasn't really well they do yeah I think they do it just wasn't all consolidated in one place and there's lots of if you think about the scholarship funds there's like a page of them and it just isn't consolidated and those accounts I'm assuming are still in the associated you know those names and I don't know if they actually legally have to eventually have to gas. I'm just checking the follow-up. Yeah. Which scholarship accounts do you're talking about? So the high school a little amount Yeah a lot a little amount Like in graduation Well that's like that we as the district administer So they well I think you actually administer all the money Yeah like well like the National Honor Society would be like a small amount of money so they probably keep that in their student activity There's three really big ones that are looked at very but then there's all these other ones that would be great if they could come up with a sort of combined model even really so there's not so many accounts but there's a couple there's one at Edward Jones a couple of them and those are very specially set up and there's nothing that's going to change on those Right so that and that's yeah that's fine but then there's just some other Those are like endowment accounts Yeah and then there's also student activities which is just you know class of 1986 so it all has $500 or $200 I don't know but there are I'm just taking again I don't know that for a fact but there's So just really it's like who's really responsible for all that I think it's the principal accounts are pretty well covered Is there like a de minimis threshold that underneath that amount you would say you know if it's some remnant amount that it goes back to the school I I think you probably have to lay probably consolidate it into one account some of them are consolidated but they've just been going on so long it's almost like you ask if you're going to do anything with this and if not then They're usually the especially like the class accounts becomes a problem but usually what they do their old class accounts they reach out to the last two officers and if they've got the two officers signatures a lot of them will put the money aside for a reunion or what not but most districts I don't know about Vermont but Massachusetts you know they've got a year after they're gone Yeah so I don't know if anyone's you know taken the time to just say let's get rid of it it might be it's a project you know less people work in the long run let's see if we can get some guidance and roll them all into a sculpture most importantly is getting the OSSD Gay Cracks done much in favor much in favor I should be the other one but yeah do you have any questions thank you very much good night we'll leave it out and then play it out alright alright we're ahead on time alright let's keep going discussion of restructuring health reimbursement arrangements professional and sports professional so this is this is um this was complex enough that I spent a good amount of time kind of writing it up in the superintendent's report but basically during the last round of negotiations the health care reimbursement accounts were on the table and it looks like folks had reached out to future planning and a couple of the other plan administrators out there to see what they could do and the language that was put into place in a lot of the CBAs was based upon what future planning said it could do so future planning got started a month or two into the school year started having problems they weren't reimbursing folks and then a few months back they just sent out one day out of the blue we're no longer going to do this because we can um there was a lot of discussion both at the state level the state legislators as well has with the superintendent's group and most folks settled on a company called Datapath Datapath actually operates the cards that future planning was using where you go on and you swipe to get your benefits um yeah so they figured since they're already doing it and managing it for future planning this would be a smooth transition people wouldn't have to restart the cards they wouldn't have to refill out all the paperwork Datapath stepped into the breach and after most of the districts switched over to Datapath came out and said well you know there's problems with prescriptions we're not able to track the out-of-pocket costs for people on prescriptions we don't have a way of doing it and so the problem that we have in terms of the CBA is that it was required that the district find a plan administrator that would do all those functions so that the faculty didn't have to we don't have that anymore and this is only for the out-of-pocket expenses this is for up to $5.50 a year and then once the out-of-pocket is done the new prosperous shield takes over and tracks how much money is being used and whatnot so rather than be in violation of the CBA which we will shortly be we'll also talk about the deadline that Datapath put on it as well the suggestion is to pay first dollar on the prescriptions for the faculty so they're getting a small financial benefit $5.50 if you go to the doctor most of that's going to be used up in that first visit with the medical side of things it might be a rare case where somebody's only getting an expensive prescription and the $5.50 would be covered just under the prescription for that first bill of the year but talking with Rob and taking a look at the numbers the best we could it looks like there's enough in the HRA account which we own anyway to support this and still have money left over this also would be compensating the faculty for the hardships of having to kind of manage a lot of this on their own one of the big things at this point in time is that for payments for reimbursements they actually have to apply to Datapath Datapath then sends the employee to check and then the employee has to then pay for the medical whereas before there's that hardship piece that their union is using to kind of justify a little bit of the extra expenditure to cover the out-of-pocket cost for prescriptions after the $5.50 would this be the case going forward just for the next calendar year or is this this would replace the current way we do things it's kind of a side agreement because that was CBA contract language it's permanent until people renegotiate it it would be permanent the caveat here being is that it looks like all parties are on board to go with a statewide negotiated health plan and that may take all this out of our hands anyway don't know but it's quite a possibility and I don't know what the time frame is that they have for putting that in place but I think sooner sooner than later by the sounds of things coming out of the legislature and do you have any estimate for what this would cost the district it was minimal again most of the out-of-pocket costs they are still able to track the medical most of the out-of-pocket cost you know it's $300 just to show up for the first doctors appointment year so that would be covered I think at the toughest estimate and this is a high high high estimate is 107 you know 107 dollars probably or family I don't understand I thought and I did read the script that I thought it was like $550 extra dollars currently that we would be incurring an additional cost so I'm not that's right it's really it takes me a while to wrap my head about it every time I think about it when we're starting off in a new fiscal year right so it's a new fiscal year the first $550 are uncovered that was the agreement made with the union 10% the employees cover out-of-pocket so it comes out to $550 pretty much for everybody that's that's on the plan that $550 out-of-pocket you got to add it up to know when they reach the $550 so that's when the HRA would kick in full time they are still able to add up the medical portion the doctors visit the shot those parts and things that aren't prescription so those we would not be paying for but they would still go towards that $550 it's only the prescription portion of that $550 that we would pay for typically what happens if I go to the doctor the first $300 is the medical bill it's the visit to the doctor and then there may or may not be a prescription that follows prescription can't be handled by the administrative agency company whatever they are we are covering that sort of separately because they they can't track it again I don't understand why they can't that's a whole other piece we're trying to figure out because they can't track it we will then be in violation of the CBA because they won't give them the prescription they can't write out the check for the prescription piece so the easiest thing to do at this point in time is just pay for a spell around the prescriptions and then once they're out of pocket money that $550 is run up whether it's prescriptions or whether it's medical bills they're covered under the HR anyway so the maximum amount for employees could be $550 if all they're spending is prescriptions but that's not typically so we might have somebody who might be on rare in my world it is the same thing with my mom but in our case I think the estimate that Robin gave was about 107 and that was a high estimate just to be safe based on historical because that's not something that's easy to get around I had to calculate it off the top and how many prescriptions are there? that's probably on that's covered under the teacher's contract so probably 100 I'll have to get you an exact number if I were to estimate probably 130 what's the support staff rate? the support staff that Robin a lot of teachers support that take she said there is there is money in the HRA account we own the account, we fund it there's money left over in there it gets rolled over into the next year so if the the state, if everybody doesn't come up with the plan going forward and the two companies that currently exist aren't able to do what we need them to do what's the back of? next round of negotiations come up with something else it's like two different things going on so we will be negotiating with the CDA we can't find the reality is we can't find the plan administrator to meet this so we need you to give this up and we'll give you this in exchange because we're taking away about potentially a financial benefit unless some miracle comes that can do the things again we're still it's not making any sense what we're doing the medical piece I kind of get because that's tracked by Blue Cross Blue Shields so Datapath isn't really tracking it Blue Shields data for it but why Blue Cross Blue Shield isn't tracking for the prescriptions as well because that's the piece I don't understand with it now the pain in the butt piece of all this is Datapath came back and said well you have to decide by the 15th we just found out about that I think it was the 9th of the month so we have to tell Datapath yes we're going to use the cards or no if we say no that's our compliance with the CDI what does Pietro say about this and Marianne don't know what they mean this seems to be I talked with the superintendent's association this seems to be the way to go Robin had a conversation with folks I think with Pietro and she was actually the one before that we even got this in our hands because we were hearing about it and she could be high all the time and said the easiest thing and the most cost effective thing to do is just to pay that first dollar amount on the prescriptions she already said that before conceptually I understand but until Pietro looks at the language of the contract I'm not willing to approve it my recommendation would be is that we don't approve the contract but we approve the first dollar amount so that we're covered and make it so I think that was my recommendation in the superintendent's report we want to cover the first dollar amount because we're in compliance at that point in time and it pretty much is following along with the agreement but I don't like signing off on the other parts and pieces there if we don't have to there are some other wrangling going on that I don't understand in talking about the issue with who is the teacher under the CB who is not they kind of came back we'll talk about this a little later and said we don't negotiate side agreements it's not good protocol so why are you giving us a side agreement I don't get the logic there so my suggestion my recommendation against the board's choice to make the decision is my recommendation is to do the first dollar I'm just going to prove them to be able to use the card pay the prescription first dollar that way we're not really in violation of the CBA could they come back on us if that's just what we did the way the language in the CBA is worded as it sounds like the administrator is supposed to handle all the paperwork stuff some of which they're going to have to do but it's gray enough if we need to but I don't think well we don't want to fight but we do want a good what we negotiated and if it's in a rocky road that's unfortunate we're ending up paying for it but we have to make sure that people are taking care of it so the total additional outlay is estimated to be about 150,000 somewhere in there and like I said she was confident that there was more than enough to look out based upon spending so far this year to be able to cover it and still have a little left over so this will be for the fiscal year beginning July 1st this will be starting right now the other thing that was interesting that's happening is V-High and I think some because they were pushing data path a little bit just come in and said okay well there is a blackout there where they can't use the cards okay while we do the computer transition V-High has stepped in and said V-High will pay for them for that time period that's the May 8th so then this whole blackout and so that's K-H-O yeah it's a lot of it's not so what would you like from us tonight if the board is comfortable and willing is just the recommendation for me to be able to tell data path tomorrow that yes paying the first dollar for prescriptions so that at least we're not in violation of that part of the CDA so do I have the motion do we have to vote on this how do you frame the motion I'll make the motion if someone helps me with the language so why don't we move it as an instruction to the superintendent to an attorney wrapped up a legal document that memorializes the board's vote to provide the first dollar I don't know how to phrase it from first dollar out of prescription out of pocket prescription such that our employees will be held harmless and financially harmless help financially harmless and the new administrator will be taking it from there it's an interesting situation all we need to do is make sure that the caterer knows what we want to pay and the obligation we're taking for the employees to hopefully satisfy them and can negotiate whatever written document is required between the district and the union we should authorize a law to sign that for the second motion that's good so we have a motion as one to vote down I'll see if I can paraphrase thank you costs up to legal so the motion to instruct the superintendent to have PHO review the agreement and to negotiate with the union to completion and then to allow payment of the first dollar out of pocket costs for faculty covered under the CBA up to the amount required under the gold CDHP which is what they were I think when are we missing something well and because I'm not clear on whether the union is happy with it do we know whether it's all in line with the agreement that they put other language in there but it was more kind of stating what their hardships were to try to justify the additional expense of us paying first dollar was my read on it can you speak to that not really what if the union was this what the union was proposing okay yeah, Nora was the presenter along with that chamber one for you well having Patri negotiated my presuppose is that he can get an agreement with them and if we can't based on his proposal I guess he'll get kicked back to the site and get with him first thing since this place has a deadline but at least it covers us it covers us on the data path piece so the data path doesn't implicate the prescription no, they're just saying if they don't get a response by May 15th they don't have during their card transition they don't have a way of making everything work out again doesn't make any sense to me but they're they're thumbed down on it then the second motion would be the okay so who is in that will second that motion January okay all those in favor of this motion please say aye can I ask for my thing Debra so the the deadline of tomorrow is kind of unrelated to this motion really isn't it the motion would just be allowing us to give data path the affirmation if they first bother them out we are not agreeing to or declining anything in terms of the union we're taking care of what we need to do the best way we can I would argue in terms of you know following through on the requirements of the CBA call uh... first thing just because I don't want to get contractually obligated if we don't have an agreement with the union on the thing that we're offering sounds good to us and we're paying them more money to each and for you but right, that makes sense so they say yes so we still want to we're just telling the company that we're going to continue to use those cards but the change would be that we're paying first dollar amount we either use the cards and pay first dollar amount or we don't use the cards and we can paper wise which that would be so what boils down in my mind is what we're trying to do here is to allow a direct Pietro to get us into an agreement where we are not in out of compliance with the union in relation to this we are kind of out of compliance but to renegotiate things not through any fault of our own it's just the way this happened it wasn't something we intentionally we tend to be in compliance we just can't so he would be negotiating the agreement and justifying and then the question for you guys is is that separate from a lot of the other path to do its job and not put any further out of compliance so what do you think? it's a very curious situation because you're contracting with two different parties so if you're telling the administrator to do something you haven't got an agreement yet does that happen automatically? you could you could make the statement that this is not precedent setting as part of the motion this is not meant to set a precedent the purpose of this is to make sure that we're taking care of the employees as best we can given the circumstances until I don't know I think that's an interesting nice to put in if this is to keep us in compliance with the current agreement as best we can based on the wording it's gray we could still technically be out of compliance because the way it's worded kind of implies that the administrator you know data path is supposed to handle all the paperwork not tracking everything technically they're saying they can't and that's out of our hands but we still signed a contract I didn't have why don't we why don't we authorize the negotiating committee to talk to Pietro tomorrow about it and as long as two of the three people can then vote to do whatever they want because they would be authorized to make the decision for the board to talk with Pietro are you going to be around the world? I'm always available by a phone is Paul I'm available till 8 in the morning and then by a phone until 6 in the morning when I get back in town it's just really hard to do with this time constraint would that work for you? yeah I mean like I said the big thing with the data path was we told tomorrow why don't we may I amend my motion whatever is the motion so ok so a clarifying question if we if the board says we're going to do this which is meet the out of pocket expenses up to a certain amount in order to get the company to keep the card thing hold on yeah the caveat there doesn't seem like there's any other alternatives so it would be I don't see how many other alternatives there would be as we're negotiating with you and again I'm just thinking off of what you're saying the agreement to do the card data path is an operational decision to try to stay in compliance as opposed to I think the other piece of this is negotiated to lock it in permanently or find a better solution you can always renegotiate a better solution that's what I'm saying seems like two separate things I get because it is confusing so I guess what I'm saying is if for some reason by 4pm tomorrow an agreement hasn't been reached a caveat or something in there authorizing a direction to go in order to meet the deadline set by the company with our best intentions using the best information we have I guess that's what I would I don't want to miss that deadline I want to make sure we follow the right totally having the panel talk with patron having him hit this straight avoids us making a unilateral decision about this this is supposed to be negotiated with problems like this to rise so we don't want to impose our will even if we think it's an improvement and gives them a better thing it really should be done for both sides not only the fact that shortly before the meeting they show up with what you got to deal with the deadline I think we need a little wiggle room so how about if we amend the motion to be the same thing that the board approves the concept of the first dollar on the block and authorizes the negotiating committee through Pietro to effectually that concept by 4pm tomorrow and if not then we just tell Datapap go for it and if not Datapap well I hate to set up a situation where the union might want to just drive your feed and then they get what they want anyway hopefully they will negotiate a good faith and get in touch with people tomorrow feels like a no win and I think everybody for everybody involved the budget situation we're in this year the fact that overall we did save money because of the change in healthcare costs yes we made our employees not just we didn't hold them harmless we gave them a better deal on the health insurance so but we have the ability to do this right wing you got time to do the right thing for our employees and even if it's not seen let's hope it is keep our fingers crossed so the motion is for the negotiating committee to meet with Pietro just make sure by 4pm if not then if the negotiated agreement can't be reached and you're authorized to do the card thing anyway and we have Pietro to resolve it through the C committee as long as you guys get the authorization for the negotiation and then that would be the first motion and potentially the second one for my side those two so do I remake the motion as amended? yes and I make the motion as amended I've got it kind of written down but I can clean it up all those in favor? aye we need a second motion to allow someone probably board chair to be able to sign agreement that's negotiated with Pietro with good faith and he's comfortable with it all those in favor? aye alright so our negotiating team tomorrow is going to be broken in is that what I hear? yeah and I'll call Paul and we'll call Pietro first then second to that last motion KK Rachel we're ready to say either my KK KK you might be your mouth but I'll take care of it I'll just stop hoping KK that's all on that belief alright so facility plan update on your handout right? so I taken the one the summary one that they had pulled together I kind of dressed it up a little bit that's what the handout is it's the same information but also kind of added a little bit more detail in what everything that was spent on and why and also a prioritized kind of work list out there for upcoming work that needs to be done and I think folks will want to kind of review that and talk about that in part some cases if you like for me as well in the deep pipes going almost out to the leech really? they had to go in deep to produce and if this also as you guys are looking at this is an acceptable model for the facilities reports will continue or we can change it in any way that you like previously they went out it was like a five year plan I don't know if you'd seen though I have not I can find it the facilities reports that we saw they had a kind of major work completed a prioritized list and then a lot of it was explaining how the surplus funds that were given were being used which is helpful but I'll see if I can find a fighter because I think it's good to have they need to be projecting they need to be developing it any way that's part of its assessment this year so the question is do you want us to adapt the old if we find it or just build new because I was assuming to build new I think it's a good checklist because it was fairly comprehensive I mean if you're building a new one that's great you might as well not realize that you don't have to it's like a packing list so it was like a checklist it was we should have this with the older genders it was like a costing once they got the costing in there it had projected costs and then when they got updated it was helpful I think I would guess that it's probably first quarter of 2017 was it last month? yeah we have them all go back to like 10 they can just see it I don't think it doesn't hurt to take a look to me don't look like they're exactly the same or are they the same? so the first one is money spent so some of the major work completed this year so that's 169.157 and then it's kind of broken down the vendors that came in like Art Mechanical is primarily a heating and cooling system and control technologies there's also work that is high priority that's already either been out the debt or got the quotes to begin the work depending upon the dollar amount that's on the back so the $100,000, $200,000 there and then what each is for they're pretty good too about trying to capture rebates and whatnot and then the other one just to kind of throw it in there is they do track the work requests that come in under school there's a software that talks about what you can tell what's going on, you can get a feel for the district you can prioritize things so they've had 790 this year and they've completed 715 so far so they've been pretty busy so some of these are to be done yeah, the back so they're planned out already they got out the bid with the companies that they were high enough to need to if not they got the quotes so it's kind of yet to come in want to talk about plans for Raven will there be security now or we could, it's part of facilities so Raven at this point in time they are sending it out to bid so we're waiting for those to come back and they'll have an update for the board at that point in time this sheet is the security piece that we were talking about at the last meeting in terms of trying to get the funding in there to make these changes as soon as we can just because they're security issues they went out to bid with three places some of them could do the work some of them could do part of the work they went down and they chose CTI control technologies 412, 345 for six of them and then DSS for the seventh a lot of the pieces for CTI control technologies and one of the reasons to go with it a lot of cases they were lower cost but they're also the main company that's done all the work to get the security systems in there and so they're going to be able to integrate this work directly with the systems that are in place so that's the piece and this was the one that we talked about I did check with Robin just to kind of secure about whether they could get the money out of Strip Plus ahead of time had that been done in the past and then they'll pay it back from here in front she said it had been done in the past questions on so the intent is that this work will be done over the summer then? as soon as possible the hope was over the last kind of long vacation which is what April but just to try to get because it is security pieces there's a lot of parts and pieces they can do especially like the panic buttons and the door lock buttons for the teachers and what not the atrium work where you've kind of got where the two sets of doors in each building so that the people can come in have to interact with the front office staff get signed and get checked out before they go through the other lock at least at the high school that's going to be somewhere they actually have to go through some more at least if we can get done by the end of the summer that's fine too but we don't we really don't have much to be honest but at some point in time if not today probably I would recommend a motion to at least out of the surplus if there's any at the end of the year and then approval for anything above it to be honest excuse me when I say surplus I mean what we have left over at the end of the year still on our facilities budget at the end of the year and then anything needed above it beyond that be authorized to pull from surplus which is a different perspective so as soon as you have numbers and all for that one are we voting on this tonight? do you need money on a surplus? I don't think we need to that would happen any time before end of the school year so we could do it the next but basically we'll use the money that's left over at the end of the year and then hopefully an authorization from the board supplemented if we don't have enough and then the Raven building we talked a little bit about kind of what I call the gross estimate you know their best guess in terms of removing the building and rebuilding on site was about 680 again looking too deeply into what they came up for a day and a half but now it's going up for bids so those guys in the house could put their quotes on and we did part of the breakdown was adding them up, Raven's a little tricky in that it's money not spent because we're sending kids there it's money we don't have the budget for and so kind of looking at the needs of the students that are in the Raven program and looking at what it would cost to send them to like an ebay if you even click I estimated that over the course of back to the exact figures but I believe over the course of nine years it's probably saved us 945,000 and that does not include the transportation back and forth which can amount to 40 to 50,000 so it's a significant savings if it comes in around the 680 it would pay for itself in 6 to 7 years easily and then you have a nice building there for whatever what's going to happen with those students for the upcoming school year so if the work has to happen you know towards the end of the summer and in the fall there is enough space with the decreased enrollment in the tech center area and in the high school that we could move folks around for a month or two to get the work completed Jim didn't want to do that and understandably so early on because it's a therapeutic program but he's understanding at this point in time to get the new building that maybe has to happen and we don't want the students in that old building extra if we have them in there reasonably we would have to go out get some air filtration and things like that in place that would be one time cost it would be able to recoup afterwards alright we have the 2.7 report so 2.7 was compensation and benefits was actually pretty simple I think there were only like 5 provisions in it and recoup at all provisions and therefore the overall policy was in compliance and that is available with all the evidence in the main office I'll put it out on the vendor's desk in the time that it wants to drop into it should be on the next the next meeting I think I said it was in there it was Paul and Jen I agree to that one yep I'm going to leave I think there are only 3 ones this year I need to mix them all alright legislative update to keep in the going here alright so 2 bills that kind of are important to us in terms of education both are kind of in flux they have passed house they're being fought over in the senate and then the governor has weighed in at least on h911 h911 is the the bill that's up to try to overhaul kind of the educational funding system in the state of Vermont currently what they're at is they're looking at adding 2.6 cents for $100 of assessed property value to the property tax $0.05 to the non residential tax they're putting an income sensitivity piece in place for properties of $400,000 or less so in other words they'll take your income into account in terms of the taxes that you pay for properties is less than $400,000 any amount above $400,000 you would pay the typical penny rate before the governor at this point in time it's unsure what's going to happen with this plan because he's threatening to veto any plan for properties taxes they would stop transferring money out of the general fund into the education fund like they've been doing for years now and instead give all the revenue from sales and use tax in 25% of years of use tax so we'll go into the education part directly education fund into the proposed bill would no longer pay for many expenses unrelated to K-12 education they were pulling a lot of money out of the education funding bill to do other things the adult education programs in the state renter rebates the community high school of Vermont the department of corrections so we'll stop there is buy-in we talked about this a little earlier from all sides on a statewide healthcare system so the teachers would negotiate directly with the state student staff ratios will no longer be considered instead an advisory task force will be put into place to help districts decide where to make cuts and then the one that it's hard to tell what the overall impact is going to be provides each school with a base payment for people they would give you $11,916 for districts that want to spend more than that $11,916 would have to do so by creating a homestead tax but every district of course so the part of the argument we had at the superintendent level was this idea that every farm came in to provide equity so now what you have if everybody is getting $11,900 when the state average is about $17,000 and ours is we're actually under the state average coming up next year somewhere in there the wealth of your districts are going to be able to supply more above and beyond and those kids will benefit maybe destroy it but they feel that there is no challenge based upon this program at the supreme court level but again it's unsure whether or not it will go through the other one is age 897 and that's the one that changes in how states pay for special education currently what the state does is it reimburses us 50% of the cost for staff it's a weird form sometimes it's 55% sometimes it's 56% of any other cost like if we send a student out they will reimburse us any costs that are above $50,000 they will give us 90% once it exceeds what this will do is basically just providing you that reimbursement regardless of how many students you have they're going to replace it with basically it's like a block grant they'll give you a chunk of money that's dependent upon your overall student population and it's your job to do they do have a couple of pieces in there they'll cover 95% of the costs above $60,000 and the other piece with the block grants is they're trying to open it up to allow us to use the money in more ways like regular education students that may be struggling as well that's not going over too well with senate they don't really feel that schools will have too much leeway in terms of what it can do with the money they want to put some controls on there to make sure it's going with the school it's correct your problems before they become problems isn't yeah, it's important it's just best practice it brings up the equity thing too no it does, you get a flat rate and you have a significant with high needs, child or children what do you do great you also get penalized and what will happen is if you build a very good special education program in your district it's effective parents will research that they will move in your district and your special education will go up and so if it's a reimbursement system you're able to compensate for that if it's a block if you get a high concentration but they have a five year phase in plan on this if it goes through I'm not sure quite what the phases are thank you alright, on our consent agenda we need to approve the minutes from our last meeting on April 9th we'll have time to read them over and see if they complete we need to approve administrative staff contracts you just sign all those are the ones that are there? yep, no okay approve professional staff contracts new teachers look like their special ed and music, three special ed in one music yep approve 2018-2019 local education agency plan let's see if we can what's that about that is local education agency plan is special education do you want to plan for it? I mean it's simple it's a thing you do every year yeah approve district continuous improvement plan that was the long five or six pages that I put in there that is a new requirement this year as part of the changes with no child left behind moving to the every new child succeeds the piece of it is that there needs to be a district improvement plan is based upon the district data what did you recognize based upon the data in terms of your students where are they struggling that has to be submitted to be able to apply for the consolidated federal programs money so the title on title 3 and 4 money so I've got all the data stuff hopefully maybe June I can throw up all the data and parts and pieces that went into this I'll be talking with the principals of the cabinet meeting tomorrow to take a look at it get some planning done before October because we've got some structural changes and I want to make sure that we're able to plan ahead so that we put into the budget what we need this year I can actually look ahead a little bit and see the deal with it as it comes next year which is nice alright approve negotiator for side agreement with professional staff so that was the discussion about who should be in the CBA and who should not in talking with Nora they have suspended any timepiece on it they are willing to enter negotiations as opposed to go through the grievance process there was a report that went out a while back that kind of explained the thought process in reconnecting with with Pietro it looks like they have a very strong case there are some gray areas there and I can tell you too in talking with some of the other superintendents this is happening the union is doing this at all the districts in a lot of regards but it's to allow either me or the negotiating group to sit down with the union and renegotiate that piece as opposed to going to grievance on it so we're not necessarily just talking about the teacher in question this year but going full on because of the law well that makes a lot more sense because given the the more we've heard given the finite nature of these contracts you would be in a position of having to rip them at the end of the year and that's part of the at the end is the discussion is there are some unintended consequences of this because these are primarily folks that are funded under title funds we often don't know if we get the title funding until June we have to notify teachers by April 15th if they're coming back or not they will have to get ripped at the end of each year and wait to get re-hired when you get notifications that we've got the funds but primarily the teachers that they are talking about and I had a clarification with Nora the other day there are coaches and there are interventionists the interventionists work directly with students so those kind of would fall under the teacher category I made the point that the coaches are actually more administrators because they are working directly with teachers to train them in new paradigms of teaching all sorts of that they're in agreement that those would be unadministrated they're not worried about those they're just worried about the interventions folks as long as they work directly with kids which makes sense so we've been kind of talking a little bit around and whatnot so the motion would be to either allow me a meeting group to sit down negotiate those parts and pieces but like I said they came back to me and said we don't really do side agreements so I sit back and I said well if that's the case then you may have to start up the grievance process but I said I'm not going to take that to the board without a reason why you don't enter to the side agreements because it's common practice so they're going back to try to get out of the store there's something going on there I don't know what it is well I don't care what it is the appropriate thing to do is to come to an agreement on it make it part of the big agreement for them don't make a side agreement so I think Nora's on board so do we want to appoint or a good negotiator or do we want to have Lane under this or do we need a few of us who are on the teacher who's on that is that the one we just talked about and who broke in not all hope we need to we're there for us Lane's got to be there anyway we can't be there Lane has to be there and pH has to be there well I don't know that we need an in-person thing anyway why don't we just leave it to the negotiating committee and ultimately we can delegate the conversation to Lane but we have to actually vote on it because we have power there and if Lane can work with Pedro to figure out concepts of language of course if that was given over I'm not approving anything I'm just trying to work on that but you guys would have to read it of course once Val gets a hold of us if we do that this summer we may be at this level but traditionally yeah and lastly on our consent agenda we've got to approve the restructuring of health the in-person arrangements so that would be probably the folks on the move altered the language that was agreed upon in the motion that we just voted huh? that would be all of that you could because you've already voted on it do you have to do you have to vote to remove it no we would just make a motion to approve the consent agenda as amended without that right so we have a motion to approve the consent agenda without in amended fashion I'll make the motion second all those in favor? aye any opposed? alright we're moving on to the superintendent's report so that primarily focused on water issues at Cook Field in the HRH I'll answer questions if we can but there is the big thing right now is they did get the water coolers in two weeks ago so we do have the first water there's a lot of investigation going on right now I'm not a state geologist it's actually free to have them which is kind of cool to take a look just to see if it is feasible to drill a well there if there's anything to actually hit it's better otherwise there may not be it's fractured limestone and fillite limestone isn't very porous it's just because it's all broken up under there there's a lot of mineral content high total dissolved soil there's also fillite in there it's slate it's been then morphosed a little bit more it's kind of shiny it's a pretty stone but that's pretty much chemically in there for the most part we'll see if there's any place I guess there's a 10 acres cost wise the well is much more expensive we're trying to get just a general idea on what a well would cost we haven't got that yet what I'll do is I'll just email the board and we'll get it it should be any day now that's a cost up front and then it's just the monitoring that we're doing anyway that we have to do the reverse osmosis there's the upfront cost there's more maintenance that goes on over the course of time I'll see if I can find out what the problem for me is I'm trying it and of course the the dissolved pieces the stuff that's dissolved in there got worse over the nine years four hours for the aftertaste I know so I won't blame the kids for not long time alright so I appreciate the investigation things like there's it's pretty comprehensive to get all this information so I've had some thoughts about the superintendent's report what I want to share is like things I've been thinking about and like I appreciate keeping us informed of the ongoing issues that are arising and keeping us involved on that and I'm just thinking of like as a board member the other things I'm curious about would be so two things one would be like for example there's a new team in the elementary schools so I'm reading the principal's report telling me what they're working on I'm just wondering how that's going what the community response has been things like that and then also we talk about it sometimes but I'm just thinking like things that can be easier to report on and then also thinking about like the superintendent and what you do and are there things that you're excited to be working on are there other things you want to tell us about that you're excited about or that you want to share with us as well without making it and I want you to have to do a 10-page report because I do a 10-page CEO report and I don't recommend everybody doing it no and actually I think that's a good thing too plus if there are things that are coming up for month to month that you want to know more about in the making process and I mean that's like my viewpoint and I don't know if that's reasonable the biggest excitement that I've got I always enjoyed the curriculum piece and so finally getting settled in to kind of look at the data I thought of my other sample was the after work of the presenter thank you I was wondering about his name because that was something that we wanted to have you on the line would you have a sign up please I'm just going to go over here yeah so in terms of like we had a couple of them really quick in terms of the work like I said the curriculum pieces is what I'm most excited about the data shows that there is work that needs to be done we've touched on a little bit of it this year in terms of working with the principals a little bit of resistance not in a bad way but I think the data is going to make it plain and that's part of the meeting tomorrow that was kind of a special cabinet meeting I threw into place and I got the data done just to sit down and start to take a look and say hey this is where we're at what are the things that are contributing to this that are actually within our control because we always talk about stuff that's not and what structures do we need to put in place to get this work done and part of it is to do that pre-planning before the budget comes up in October that way if there's a budgetary impact you know we've got it planned out we've got it in place because the budget's always a year ahead of time the after work right now with Calvin Sparal we had the day we may have spoke about this earlier we had the day I worked with the students that had worked with Calvin pulling together to work on ideas and how to move forward so there were a variety of the student groups that we do and so we've got a list of that which has been great and what we'll do next year is get the students to actually implement I can provide you guys with a list the one common pattern that came out of all the discussions from the students which was kind of interesting though it kind of took a little bit different shape depending upon what student group was talking about we want people to know us and in some cases you know it was we want them to know us as a learner it was we want them to know us as a person in some cases it was we want them to know us as somebody just outside of the academic environment and to take an interest and so we talked about different ways that was one of the groups that I worked directly with was different ways that we could put that in an advisory period to have those conversations and structure between the students and the teachers so that was really cool some good stuff the part of it is hopefully with both administrators back to administrators next year is stepping back a little bit and making it a high school we've done the work we got the information, we even got the plans and I'll be there to help and tutor if needed but they got to start doing this on their own it's got to come from the inside a lot of the problems I've seen across the district they do somebody else's expression for it so they're managing things it's one of the things that we're seeing with the rise in the special education funding is that you've got all these students that are coming in they're getting the interventionists in there to help them with the interventionists are solving the problem they're helping the kid focus in class that day but when the two of them leave class the kid still has no more skills in terms of what we're causing the problem they've done before him that piece is the big focus for next year fixed don't manage good stuff I can add in others on this as well a lot of it with the the schools I don't report on them as much because they usually put their own reports but I can can I ask you something about the high school yeah so the community is suffering a little bit right now from fundraising that's the time of year I haven't seen a client yet can they do that here but you know the SHIS program has been in existence for 25 years now and they have a fundraising effort every other year because we have a center for it every other year and so that's pretty prescribed in terms of when it happens I think there have been with the Nicaragua trip I think it's a fabulous opportunity but my understanding is that this year the grant money is from the various foundations that we often get wonderful support from they're getting broached at the same year now is there any way that we could get a better cooperation from year to year so that on the off year it's not two or two and nobody asks but the French the French trip is the opposite year so Nicaragua goes every other year and then Guadalupe they've been twice I don't know if they continue to go to there but that would be next year so we already have a fundraising how much are they Guadalupe is about the same thing as Nicaragua though I don't know how much how many students go of course they had a big group to Nicaragua this year I had that question too more a thought so I'm not saying that we need or should do anything but at the beginning of the year when I was going around and checking in with folks in terms of an entry plan there is some tension between some of the groups one of the groups actually gets funded by the district and it's in part of the discussion when budget season comes around is it pulling the numbers together over what the cost is depending upon how how expensive it is the problem becomes the equity piece because it's not every kid goes right well yeah and I also think that there's an incredibly important process that happens of bonding and of teaching these children if they want to come on this trip this isn't just about getting hit this is about you really working towards a goal, accomplishing it and doing a heck of a lot of work to make that happen so I am sort of in favor of not paying the whole bill maybe if there could be more equity among the programs that piece is really important because that piece does not depend on anything other than your work and your devotion and I think it's a wonderful opportunity for the kids to co-last before they've been going on a trip to a foreign country to trust each other in terms of community impact is it always the same folks that are paying for the fundraising because then it kind of becomes a de facto tax on folks in a sense that would be the only question if it's or finding a way to spread out the fundraising so it encompasses more people that's why the rest areas on I-89 are really good good people not because it used to happen a lot of times I've been and it's always the same 50 people that are always and how do we spread that out a little bit more I think this year there's a different it's different kids so theoretically it's different families and whatever but I would imagine it's mostly the small towns downtown businesses take a head so I think a proactive plan on coordination because our group shouldn't be competing with each other either which should be a good mix of both but I agree with being part of the fundraising processes I think it's a good point I'll take a peek especially the coordination I can report back a little bit too on all that kind of structure but I like the idea that they're not competing well you know work for non-profit you're competing for those grants every year with a lot of other wonderful causes you know you wouldn't ask a question I think too yeah I was just going to ask for an update on the preschool situation so where they were at the goal is not next year but two years from now is to have it at all three elementaries so if we could get it in place next year Pat has done some wonderful work they've had the state come in they've taken a look at the facilities at the two smaller schools at Brookfield and Braintree part of what's on the prioritized list is getting that work done to make sure that it's up to state code so you can have the preschoolers in there they've been able to find a body for Braintree they have not yet been able to find someone for Brookfield so it is not off the table at all it's a matter of finding the ability to do it but the intent is to have it at all three schools within two years this is kind of a transition year the ideas came up about two or three months ago so we'll be running with it she's been working very closely with Robin to try to see what kind of grant not grant money out there there's a little bit of grant money but what the reimbursement is going to be we talked about that with the legislatures they actually had the reimbursement and what that'll do is that'll mitigate what we have to charge on that first year right now it looks like Braintree they're still trying for Brookfield they've got to get the bodies up my understanding is that there's an issue with finding qualified candidates and that I believe it's like two courses that are as it was there were the folks that they found were even sending them off to get one of them I think they actually did the same course to meet the state requirements I'm curious if you have connections with other superintendents around the state it strikes me that other districts are experiencing this lack of qualified candidates around early education with these new requirements from the state I think so I can't speak for the schools but I think finding the qualified staff that you can afford to pay has been an issue with all of the new state requirements for a lot of licensed and registered home day carers I'm wondering going back to the legislative update and thinking about board advocacy it strikes me that there may be a bigger issue going on that we're experiencing here in our district but it certainly might be a conversation to our representatives but even the folks like I said the folks that they were able to find they still have to go off and do their speaking courses and then part of it as well it's not just the preschool you know because we didn't budget for this we figured it out the budget was done a few months afterwards is putting in an after school on program to raise a little bit of funding to help fund the preschool but at least hopefully we'll have the year ended like I said the other has not been given up on the standard process and then the preschools if there's spots or hope they're open for every day of the district we are a district we're not individual schools anymore so hopefully the folks that they were want to put in an MDN whether you want to drive as a parent that's just the challenge it's a great opportunity I'm excited to think about this expansion in our early education programming as a district educational component it's an opportunity to get at Marley it's an opportunity to hope we forget some of the damage I'll use that expression especially in terms of the trauma so the students are coming in and the behaviors are more positive so there's a bigger piece to there's a bigger piece to a lot of stuff going on there you go alright so there's director and principals reports the financial report anything that we should be aware of house lunch it looks scary when you look at it I don't have it but it's actually not we haven't got the revenue in for the last two months yet our estimate is that it's not really 57 in the whole right now it's 17 which is about what we said you know it's high it's low they'll still be deficit it's not going to be astronomical there was to kind of put this on as an aside because we're on the lunch piece there's discussion with the open forum community forum about boy wouldn't it be nice to have universal free lunch and one of the ideas that came up reasons that came up was this idea that the students that are introduced lunch they go through they get their lunch and if you're still hungry what do you get they get one and that's it so finding ways to kind of bolster stuff the tech center is putting the we talked a little bit about the edible landscape they are putting moving their part of the gardening program over to the high school it's off the soccer field where the little semi-green house is going to be but a lot of that is to get that space for the supply of the cast that the kids can have that's one of the discussions in the background other than that it looks like there will be a surplus when I was going through and doing the calculations I can't quite tell you how much it can give you a ballpark between zero and probably 500,000 there's 1.992 million that are kind of left over we got to take money out for some of the reimbursements that we got to pay for the tech center and what not for tuition and things back and forth and we also have to pay the summer salaries and then out of that 1.9 million after those two things are paid what's left over I guess is it will be in the hundreds of thousands we'll see see how close I am I'm going to show you a bunch of notes but everything else is pretty good are you going to see stuff any other budget related issues incidental information that's not here the staff appreciation generally has that organized you lost that yeah I think that's organized the RTCC meeting was held last Thursday in advance of the open house and so we reported just reported 135 enrollment students so far which is about average kids drop out and we usually get a few new enrollments the advanced manufacturing has six registered kids right now which is good and that rule is going to be worked on over the summer so that it's ready for the kids to come in and then there was just lots of families and projects and stuff like that right for the signed appointment so yeah no other things about the RTCC meeting alright so this and the evaluation I did so they I gave us a four for well planned focus and real work on the board that was the only thing I'm going to be not just four was diversity viewpoint participation was balanced I marked this down because I talked a lot so you know but otherwise four to five we're all moving out of this we even we're in the ballpark of our time so that doesn't happen all of it so it was good alright and so we'll see next meeting we have a lot of things to cover we'll have N's monitoring report and senior profile but we also added on so so so if you think about it bring your policy binder so that we can refer to them as we go through the scenario great alright we do have an exacting session so we can adjourn we can adjourn we're going to an exacting session it's nice to meet everybody so we have a window oh yeah nobody will put that on nobody will put that on anybody second? second