 I'd like to call to order the regular city council meeting Before we move to the Pledge of Allegiance as usual I did want to take a minute to acknowledge of a community lost today We had a high school student who unfortunately passed away over the weekend There was a drowning incident out in Bolton. So I just wanted to have us take a moment of silence To acknowledge this loss the students name was on Padan to Ari So if you could all just please Thank you Take a moment to acknowledge that family's loss Our friends at the school are also Helping to support them If you could all please join me For the Pledge of Allegiance led by Deputy Mayor Carlson I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic of which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Sure Our next item is the agenda review Any questions concerns about the order of operations from the public? All right, so next up is public comment. Um, this is The time for anyone member of the public who wants to make a statement about an item that is not on the agenda Okay, I'll comment about an agenda item. We can wait till that section. I believe we have a public comment And please feel free to come up. My name is Jennifer way. I am a very new addition to salvation farms And my job is a workforce development coordinator is getting salvation farms name out into the public and trying to coordinate with various people in everywhere to try to help build awareness to what we do The short answer is that we take surplus food and we package it redistribute it to All kinds of places small organizations larger food banks So that the food that was left on farms doesn't just go to waste We have a production facility about a half a mile up the road at um salvation farms and it's A very cool place if anybody is interested in having a tour feel free to Give me a call and I can set that up. I do have a few handouts Not enough for everybody, but it's on our website and I can absolutely hand out more. We are having a eight week training opportunity starting in june the end of june June 25th Tuesday, wednesday and thursday nine to four and we're looking for transitioning youth anyone that's interested in Getting employable skills. We're going to be teaching them a surf safe manager certification in those eight weeks in addition to the packing distribution and employable skills so That was the 32nd pitch if anybody has any questions. Otherwise, I can just leave some handouts and We our website is salvationfarms.org Feel free to check us out And are you have you been in touch with the school other local organizations youth organizations? I just received some information on Some school contacts. So those are tomorrow and I've been working a lot with the More established partners that salvation farms has had in the past. Okay, and I'm Slowly working my way out to everyone else too awesome Well, thanks for coming in to update us. Yeah, absolutely. So There are some minutes there and if you want, I can just leave these here for Anybody to take if that's all right. All right. Actually, do you want to set them on the podium in the back? That's absolutely. We have copies of the agenda for folks who are here. All right. Thank you very much for No, I'll take one of those right now Thank you. Thank you. You guys. Yeah, you can just drop some up here. All right. Thank you Thank you. Thanks Jennifer Any other public comments? All right We will now move to our consent agenda We have five items for approval We have city council minutes and liquor control minutes from may 20 payroll warrants ending may 5th to may 18th And warrant ending may 31st subsequent to payout warrant for april 2019 The chitin and solid waste district budget which we reviewed at our previous meeting Hickok street water main replacement contract award to courtland Again, which we reviewed at a previous meeting And f y 20 general fund transfers for cola Are there any questions or comments about the consent agenda? Any questions from the public? I would entertain a motion to approve the five consent agenda items So moved second Um Motion by mike second by hal all those in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Aye All opposed abstaining Motion carries. Thank you Next up we have our city update Great. Thank you Just a couple updates tonight. Um, first I want to thank you for your time on saturday It was a lot of time to give up on A saturday morning and I you know as staff has kind of debriefed the conversations today as we put together the Next document to come back to you. Um, this is about our f y Or 2019 2020 policy priorities and strategies We thought it was a really useful conversation and heard some good guidance from you all that Was helpful to us in thinking about how we move forward. So just wanted to thank you again for giving up your time on a saturday Um You will hear more about this in the next couple of weeks But we're excited to share that the pool construction mobilization will start this week So people will start seeing contractors out on the site We are hoping to have an official groundbreaking Next the end of next week So john is coordinating with the contractor on that as well as members of the pool committee So we're hoping to get a time that as many people can come as possible It's really exciting big big step for the city Two quick updates on our tax increment financing district The vermont economic progress council, which is the part of state government that oversees the implementation of tiff Was here on friday and did their annual audit Um, it was great to have abby here. She had angel had done a bunch of preparation for her and they had very minimal questions So we anticipate that rolling out soon um, additionally, um, the state auditor's office as required by legislation does Full tiff audits on a periodic schedule. So about every five years of one's tiff district They recently completed the st. Albans tiff audit statewide audit, which you may have seen in the news that was released last week We are next on the list So they the state auditor and his team will be here next tuesday Meeting with myself and angela and the mayor to kick off that audit process and there may be Through that process. There may be times we come back to you all with updates or Action items that are needed as part of that audit We we did receive additional comments on the tree ordinance Today, so it is not on your agenda today. This is an ordinance you approved at your last meeting We do recommend that you hold another public hearing to take in those comments at your june 17th meeting So that will be forthcoming on your upcoming agenda Um, a couple of development updates So the permits for the main and mansion project both the law consolidation and the actual zoning permits for the building Have been issued and appealed So there will be those will be heard by the development review board on june 19th at a special Um, well, it's a regular development review board meeting, but a special night to ensure quorum So it's the wednesday of that week not the thursday of that week and that will be televised by cctv as well if people are interested And then the permits were additionally issued for 211 through 225 main street, which is the Former foe dang location that series of smaller buildings And the appeal period for that project ended today without appeal. So that project will be moving forward Um, a couple of fun events coming up this week. This is our first Winooski wednesday of the summer session this week on wednesday night, obviously The band is called everyone invited. Um, and it will be from six to nine in rotary park We really keep your fingers crossed for good weather and hope people come out to that Additionally the jenna county solid waste rover Which is the hazardous household hazardous materials rover where they go around and have community collections Will be down at the occ from nine to one This saturday for people to bring in their hazardous waste Last weekend and next weekend We had the first winooski artists artists market in rotary park This was a little rainy this yesterday, but we're hoping for better weather Next saturday at that event or next sunday at that event as well So it's sunday from 12 to 3 in rotary park and those are local artisans Coordinated by wishbone collective June 13th, so before your next meeting there will be a joint planning commission public works commission meeting To receive and receive and discuss the preferred alternatives For the east allen scoping study project So that has been about a six month project where the consultants funded through ccrpc have worked with an advisory group on developing creative solutions for Improved pedestrian and traffic control along east allen street They've come up with some alternatives and they're presenting those at this joint meeting on june 13th here at city hall and then i may be stealing the mayor's thunder on this but On wednesday there is a delegation from winooski including heather and the new downtown winooski director and the mayor going to The statewide downtown and historic preservation conference in montpelier, which is the 20th anniversary of that annual state conference And we're really excited to have such a strong delegation going especially given You know the new leadership at downtown winooski and the mayor is coming on board and conversations around historic preservation in our community So those are my updates. Thank you very much. Thank you Um Next up we have council reports. Can I start with you this time mike? Sure Um, I braved the weather on sunday and went to the farmers market in a rotary market and I tell you about it was uh Pretty interesting. There's some really good vendors and some nice nice items down there um Really priced well And there's also beer there so people Couldn't have some interest to go there. Um, they had some music that was going on. It was it was very tasteful I want to applaud those people for Hanging out the whole day or the three four hours that they were there Um, also another thing is I went down to the waterworks And they had their canopy up Yeah, we approved and their canopy is clear So it lets all the light in you can see the river And because it was raining they had the flaps down so it was and it was full Everyone in there would seem like they were joining themselves And that was really neat And I also just want to bring up one more thing that we had a passing of a wunewski resident Last week last friday was george gamblin. Um, who did 60 years of service at the firefighters a wunewski fighter fighter and I think george is going to be missed in this community and I thought I know we set it up june 1st at our meeting But I'd like to let the public know especially because of tv channel 17s here in case people haven't heard which i'm sure Everyone is the resident has heard by now But george is going to be very missed in this town And that's all I have I actually don't have any updates to share Thank you Amy um I have a couple since our last Council meeting I attended three commissions um, so The housing commission had their regular meeting continued to work through the home and um, I'm sorry the housing trust fund policy guidelines Spent this last meeting digging into down payment assistance I think there's still Another meeting before they finalize Like their recommendations for that those policies to us um The planning commission Continue to review some minor regulations. They had been looking at and then had the discussion about The key areas they want to focus on which we discussed at our saturday meeting at the strategy and priority meeting So that was about historic preservation parking. Um, and then some general form base code updates and then I attended the community services commission meeting so last year We engaged a consultant with the community services department to help Develop a framework For how we are deciding what programs to implement how we are making sure they're meeting the needs of the community They're inclusive. How are we evaluating their efficacy? How are we having? More equity in the way that we're funding things Um, essentially just to like tighten up our entire recreation program So there's been a lot of work done on that front thus far at this particular meeting The commission members dug through goals and objectives that came from the consultant Which would drive the next iteration of actually bringing a framework to present to us And I think the next month or so Um, so when that does come to us, I'm sure ray will have a much better Description of the context to work with Um That is it for me Okay, so I have one item to report. I attended the Winooski equity dialogue meeting last week and We had a focus on Trying to break down and understand white supremacy culture And how it impacts all of us whether we're white black or brown And and share experiences that we've had about living and working in Winooski having White supremacy culture experiences We meet again tomorrow and we're going to focus on some action steps We're going to be looking at Other communities that have done similar work and what have they come up with And our final meeting will be in two weeks to be determined where we'll land on whatever action steps We're going to try to implement so that we can Create an environment where leadership in our community uses the lens of equity in doing the work that we have to do So thanks, how and is it as an update? Once that final meeting occurs you all will be bringing forth recommendations to us at a council meeting as well as to the school board exactly I Nothing additional Mayor Ted one more plus the farmers mark. I forgot to mention that I brought my family So it's a great place to bring your kids. There's activities and stuff and there's there's some loop for them to look at as well So I thought I'd throw that in there. Thank you Um, so let's move on to our regular items Uh, first item is a discussion item. Champlain water district We are meeting new executive director Joseph Duncan Looks like we have two guests this evening the current executive director. Ah, I see Welcome Then we'll see DVD since 1977 We'll be retiring uh, June 28th And I'm here tonight to introduce Joe Duncan uh Some of you I think uh I think I sat here, uh Boy 20 some odd years ago, and I don't I think Joe was was it was in that group right there Uh But uh, Joe uh, is taking over as general manager on July 1st. He's been with cwd for about three years Uh, I initially hired as our chief engineer Director of projects and programs in the last six months or so A third title was added as assistant general manager Um, our board is the one that uh, Basically helped conduct a search and and went through some interviews and Joe definitely uh, was the board's choice Uh, previously he was with a local consulting engineer Uh, a firm and did an awful lot of work all over the state of Vermont But a lot of work, uh, particularly in chinna county water waste water and storm water, so uh very experienced and uh Looking forward to retiring Thank you. Yes, uh, looking forward to uh to Filling Jim's shoes after so long. Uh, it's quite a he's left in very good shape. So, um We'll look forward to uh to moving that forward Working with uh, Jesse, but uh, also we work closely with john choke I'm very familiar with uh with him and his staff over there So we'll continue that relationship going forward of uh, open dialogue between the two of us on making sure that We supply you with the water that you need and that uh, if there's any issues that come along We can can help work through it all. So looking forward to uh, carrying that and uh, as jim said, wunewski is near and dear To me. I think it was uh 15 years ago. I stepped down off the board I want to say it was january of 2004. So I was on the council Back back in the day. Uh, well before this round about uh came about so, um the But uh, yeah, it's uh, it's good. I love always coming to wunewski. Uh, haven't been here in a while So I look forward to uh continuing In this position Serving the city of wunewski. So happy to answer any questions that you may have. I understand you probably have a full agenda, but happy to Well, thank you both for being here Jam, thank you for many years of service and congratulations on your Retirement, it's gonna be very shiny And joe, thank you. Welcome to the team That's pretty exciting that you used to serve on council Um, I think we all We also received in our packet for this meeting and overview of the work of the district over the past year And what to expect coming up Are there any questions that's you all that you all have about the content or these gentlemen here Is there anything you're particularly excited about in your new role? Uh, it's a great team. Uh, we have a really good staff at cwd. Uh, we do we do a lot with what we have So we're looking to continue to those relationships and I also do one of the reasons I've uh Have been working in the county for years is Love the relationships with the communities that that we surveyed was on a different role as an engineering consultant But a lot of the same faces and names so Continuing those relationships, uh, I think is very important and also a great part of the Great job of that position being able to And then I also like to uh to thank uh john stockbridge for continuing to be the uh The rep on our board of commissioners for muski. It's he's a great asset. Love having him Um, and uh, yeah, very small world used to be my neighbor when I lived in muski So it's all comes full circle. Yeah, but john's doing a great job And we we enjoy having him and look forward to continuing to work with the board as well Good to hear. Yeah Um, does the public have any questions from our Shanley water district guests? Great. Well, thank you for taking this time. Well, thank you. Appreciate it. Nice to meet you. Thank you. Thank you. Take care Thank you So next up we have another discussion item and another guest Mora carol executive director of the vermont league of cities and towns will be joining us Welcome Mora Good evening your honor members of the city council My name is Mora carol and it's a privilege for me to serve as the executive director of vlct And i'm delighted to be here with you tonight I've not had the opportunity during my tenure to come to the wanouski city council meeting So I did bring a packet for all of you about the materials that we offer at vlct And I wanted to just quickly go through what is in the packet. I won't spend time on anything in particular But just to give you a flavor of some of the services that we provide I know that jesse sent you a link to our annual reports But I have a hard copy of the annual report for vlct as well as for passive and burb our insurance trusts Also a packet about passive in particular and why insurance services provided by the league Are very different than insurance services provided in the private sector And I certainly can answer some questions about that if you have them Also a copy of our most recent Magazine, uh, which just came out last week. You may have received it in the mail But if not, uh, there you are We also just updated our whom to call list So it gives you phone numbers for anyone at vlct With which you may have some Issue that you're working through or you have questions for So hopefully that will be convenient for all of you We also have an item around our vlct municipal policies The policies that are adopted by the membership every year Actually, we've just moved to a biennial adoption at this point But it gives you an idea of what the membership has said to staff that they need to focus on at the state house And throughout the legislative biennium We also have Information about our municipal inquiry service So if you have questions legal questions about the work that you are doing Or questions about municipal government in general We have three attorneys that are on staff As well as a researcher And a water quality coordinator who can answer some very specific questions on those issues We also provide on-site training that can be geared specifically to the needs of your community And we're happy to provide that There's also a listing of our workshops that we are providing In 2019 Some of them have already happened, but it gives you a flavor of what we provide each year Also professional services We do have the technical assistance as I mentioned around water resources We offer Financial assistance If you have something that you want to Dig more deeply into or you would like a consultant to work with your staff To come through with financial information And we also included a weekly legislative report Just an example of what we provide on a weekly basis during the legislative session And I did put in we had an economic development forum in march We do those once a year. We had our third one this year Very well attended up in berk and we're trying to hold More of our trainings around the state. So they're not just in montpelier or in fairly or rutherland So we're trying to to move forward and be in places where if people can't travel The distance it is to berk then we have something in bennington and another time or braddleboro or berlington wanouski and then Our municipal calendar for 2019 and 20 is due to be delivered on thursday So you will be getting a copy of that, but I just put the Last calendar in so you have an idea of the kind of information that we provide for you in the calendar So I just wanted to touch on a couple of other things first of all We think that there is value in being a member of vlct Because it is a member driven organization The policies that are part of our organization Are provided either through the membership through annual meeting and voting on particular policies Or through board direction and we're very fortunate to have jesse baker as a member of our vlct board And we appreciate how much we learn from folks who are on the ground Who have experience in local government and can give us guidance about what it is you need And the kinds of resources we should be providing for you We think it's a one-stop shop and we have staff members who are experts in local government Many have spent their entire careers either in league work or in local government work So we think that's a real value to you as members and hope that you use that Whenever you need it We do as I mentioned have legal Advice that we can provide We also have a team of advocates that are at the state house every day when the legislature is in session We have a team of risk management services that provide claims Advice and processing we do all of our claims in house And we provide loss control And the beauty of having loss control folks on our team Is that they're totally focused on Municipal risk control So they're aware of the very Specific items that are part of day-to-day operations in public works Or in other areas of local government and can give some great training great advice about how to keep local employees safe We also have in passive. It's a member owned Organization So the decisions are made around What the rates may be and what services are offered by the board but also by the member Local officials of passive and verb And then we have an internal communications team That tries to produce information on a timely basis and get it to you as quickly as we can So you're as well informed as possible About not only your own community But things that are happening around the state and even around the country We are members of the national league of cities I currently am serving on the board of nlc And there are resources that are provided at the national level that because vlct is a member You have access to that information So we always want to be providing that sort of big picture Opportunity for you to get resources as well And then finally I would just talk about our major Advocacy issue this year. It was self-governance And it's such a critical thing for local government I was at a meeting in washington a year ago and Bob shiefer who used to be with cbs news Gave a keynote address and said Local government is the level of government that gets things done And he's right So you are on the ground You know what you're doing. You've known what you were doing for many years And it's a real challenge to convince the legislature That in fact that is the case So we made great strides this year primarily because we had local officials Who were part of the advocacy team? It wasn't just staff from vlct It was managers and mayors and counselors and select board members and that is really key So we need to convince them that the things you're doing at the local level matter And that they are making a difference every single day You know how to keep your roads in good shape. You know how to do tiffs You know how to do planning You know how to do economic development We just need to convey that message to the legislature So with that I would thank you very much for being members of vlct And for all of the work that you do in local government. We know it's not easy But we're here to assist in whatever way we can And please don't hesitate to call on us when you need us Thank you mora. Um, thank you for coming in and giving this overview I know we get a lot of good service from vlct. Um, I have yet to have the opportunity to attend one of the Workshop type events, but I have seen them come up before they look like very relevant topics for us Um, and I do I don't know if you all do yet, but the weekly newsletters that you have during the legislature are a really good way to be informed Without having to read a ton of information Right. Um, so I found that very useful. Good. Um, did anyone have any questions for for more today? I have a question. Um In addition to the local governance issue, um, are there other issues that rise to the top that you think are really important? There are a lot of issues that are really pretty critical We've been working on the the water issues the funding of the cleanup of lake champlain And it's been very difficult because our message has been Don't downshift all of those costs and administrative processes to local government It is a statewide issue. It is not an individual community's issue So we've been working on that. We've also been working on Recreational marijuana and making sure that municipalities are protected. It is likely that local law enforcement Is going to be the real boots on the ground again for Enforcing whatever is Allowed by the legislature So we simply want to make sure that local government is protected We're always concerned about property taxes And whether or not the state is continuing to downshift Responsibilities so that it is put on the property tax And so we're vigilant about that. There are a myriad issues and When we do the final legislative report You'll see the number of issues that have been followed during the legislative session and it gives you a sense of where We stand on that also on our website You can see what policies were adopted at the annual conference last year But i'm happy to make sure that jesse has that so she can provide that all to you as well Thank you. I think if I can just also add to that You know, I think we're really fortunate how to have you on the council and in the legislature and and carrying that message back and forth between The local elected officials and the statewide elected officials I know having sat on the board now for a few months and kind of watched some of the Some of the advocacy work that goes on I think more is absolutely right that there are lots of Issues that come up at the legislature every year that really affect how we do business at the local level And it is more powerful to have those messages come from local elected officials Not I mean karen. We have amazing staff on the league side and amazing professional staff statewide But if there is an issue for which you feel very strongly, especially going into the second half of the Biannium that you want to engage in through the league Karen and and mora and their team do a really good job providing Legislative briefings and scheduling testimony. So I encourage you to just keep that in mind and think about As emerging issues come up that impact us Um, you know, for example, the montpellier charter change on all resident voting There's something like that that comes up that we want to have more of a voice in I can help shepherd your voices to that table through the league as well And we're always grateful when there are local officials who are part of the legislative body because They do start with some knowledge base that other legislators may not have And we know that we've had some real allies Working with other legislators to say, hey, let me let me give you some real real world Examples of what goes on locally. So we appreciate that I would also acknowledge that there are a Lot of cities and towns in vermont and so having a way to Kind of unify some of those issues and concerns and coordinate across the board is is incredibly important And I I think this happened before town meeting day at the annual The annual conference We kind of get to weigh in on what we think our priorities via jesse to take back there and so that I think looking at what you're focusing on the legislature is kind of representative of a in a general sense What the majority of communities in vermont are concerned about at the local level That's our hope Um, are there any questions from the audience more questions from council Well, thank you again for coming in and thanks for providing this information and It's nice meeting All right, so our next item is again an item for discussion about the noise exposure map and noise compatibility program Would you like to start Um, so the the mayor and I um had a conversation last week Obviously last week was a very big week for our city and the airport and the with the arrivals of the f35 At the end of the day on tuesday The airport released the updated noise exposure map draft which indicates that about 40 percent of our Parcels about 43 percent of our residents will be impacted within the 65 dno line There was then two open houses last week one at the airport on wednesday and one at the rank me center on thursday And I believe you all were there at the occ And given that we are now in this 30 day comment period for the draft noise exposure map As well as ramping up very quickly to for In partnership with the airport to submit the fAA grant application for the noise compatibility program The mayor and I thought it would be a good idea to put some time on the agenda both Likely this meeting and the next meeting to talk about Your reactions what we're hearing from the community allow the community another opportunity to be heard Um, and then think about how we as a community or a group of individuals want to provide feedback to the airport Both on the noise exposure map and the noise compatibility program So there are some ideas about how we could do that But I think it would be best probably to start with just a Conversation of what people saw and experienced Last week what your concerns are what you want The mayor and I to go back and advocate for and if you have recommendations on What that advocacy looks like over the next few weeks and And I think there might be some people here I have a question for you jesse um in the past we talked about The need to expand the airport commission Um, where where does that stand at this point to have a seat at the table and have a voice Do you want me to answer that? Do you want to take that? I think you were president the most recent meeting. Um, so the mayor of so just as a reminder that the airport is a municipally Controlled airport. It's controlled solely by the city of burlington Located solely in the city of south burlington and impacting primarily us self burlington and wilson The mayor of burlington has in the past offered to Give winewski or advocate for winewski having a seat on their airport advisory commission South burlington currently has a seat in the interest of Time back to mora's conversation about self-governments that actually To have winewski have a seat on that commission requires a charter change of the city of burlington Um, so it's quite a process the burlington voters would have to approve it. We'll go to the legislature, etc um in the past While city government and the past council has been interested in that The challenge with that is that the airport advisory commission is much like the winewski housing commission They have no authority outside advising the burlington city council So in terms of a decision-making role, they don't they serve an advisory role But they don't serve a decision-making role With the airport. Um, and I think the past council felt like that's it's a nice offer But it doesn't give us the true governance voice. Um, we would like as the community that's most impacted So I think if it is something that the current council is interested in, um Seeing to fruition, I think it's absolutely in my conversations with the mayor of burlington and with the airport director It's something they are more than happy to go to their voters with Um, but it is a it is a process and of course those meetings are also open to the public so anyone can attend as they See fit does that answer? Thank you Are you attending those meetings already right or is that a different set of meetings? That's a different set of meetings. So I I do not attend every airport commission meeting. Um, I do attend every Meeting of the advisory group that's informing the noise exposure map process and the noise compatibility program process Which is a advisory group made up of Representatives from the surrounding communities So I have been attending all of those meetings. Um, the airport commission is much more focused on The operations of the airport capital planning at the airport looking at ridership and usage numbers So ridership if you're flying flying Versus the NEM and the ncp programs that are much more focused on How how our community is impacted? Um, so I will say having attended these meetings last week, um What we are kind of being asked to do Potentially is to provide comment on Of the mitigation options. What does what do our community members want to see the most? um I think there's also room for us to think about where Where we would prioritize that? Um, so Typically through the noise compatibility program, they work from the inside out. So like the closest homes and working their way outward but there There is we could ask them to prioritize our homes in a different way if we saw a different You know if we are concerned about Wanting to make sure children places where children are addressed first or The most dense areas first or something of that nature. So we can think about that sort of thing I think the The mitigation options themselves, there's not a vast array of choices here But we might want to think about Which of them are the most important for our community? I don't know if anyone had thoughts already coming out of the meeting I have a thought and it's sort of A mitigation, but it's more of just a comment about what people were saying at those open houses Which is that a lot of these mitigation options aren't going to be available until much further along in the process So, you know the f-35s are slated to come in in september and some of these insulation options won't happen for 12 to 18 months So I know we received an email from a constituent asking is there anything that we could do To demand that there's a delay Before or either a delay or speeding up the mitigation so that there's not this huge gap where there's nothing for the community So I just wanted to get folks opinion on that I think We can try to advocate We can ask our Congressional delegation to advocate for more funding There's more funding. They can do more homes We can also ask We can also advocate for more priority on winewski because a greater portion of our city Is being impacted To maybe start there first I think it's still going to be problematic like for sure nothing will happen within the next year And we will have jets here by then And they are still predicting 10 to 20 years to complete this process So that's where we would want to lean on the congressional delegation to Have them advocate for more funding for this program That's something I think there are different ways to address that Whether it be through this public comment or through other communications with our representatives But I think that is a That's a big concern that I certainly heard as well I was looking for it here, but I can't recall what the municipal match requirement is for these programs So it's a 10 percent So it's a f a a funding for ncp is a is a 9010 grant So 90 federal 10 local, but I think it's very important to note That's not winewski local or homeowner local. So historically with all the f that was a Uh Miscategorization in some of the press last week In all of the f a a funding that's come in recently for ncp funding in our area The 10 percent match has been covered either by airport funds or by city of burlington funds It has not been covered by the local homeowners or The municipalities that are impacted. So local is not us in this case And I and I have never heard anything other than that the burl that the airport likely through airport fees Would help fund that local match. I think it's also Just as a tangent for a quick moment it's also important to remember that the The airport is a city department of the city of burlington is an enterprise fund much like our Water fund is an enterprise fund. So it's paid for not through the burlington taxpayers But through the fees generated by airport operations, which we all pay when we fly in and out of the airport So it is technically our Money that would be coming back to us through that through that local match Through our airport fees that are tacked on to our airplane costs or through the the um Carrier fees when they land at the airport Is that that's your question I'm glad that you're you clarified that I I saw that out there and was Realizing it was not correct information Any other questions that thoughts do you want to move to the public comment? We'll be useful to come back to this discussion after the public comment All right, so let's move to the public comment section Who would like to start? Bobby sure So, um, my name is bobby carnell um, it's my wife who sent the council like the The letter we can see addressed before the F-35 surveys here and In the succeeding years after they're all here um, I think so all those all those are outlined in the letter already which have which have been emailed to you but I think I just wanted to emphasize that We want to if there is an opportunity to talk about the F-35s and Like the airport commission if there's there's a discussion that's happening We want to make sure that when you ski is there At the table to advocate on behalf of the residents wherever possible We don't want to leave any opportunity On the table whatsoever so and I know the council the council has been passed and Um, management and currency management have been very good advocates on behalf of when you see me And we do appreciate that. Um, we just want to make sure that Advocacy continues and that We're there all those opportunities arise, but also we think outside the box of New ways to Um Support when you ski in light of these F-35s coming here reaching out to our federal delegation not just for Like these federal funds that are coming in to the sound but also potentially to include funds for You know research on You know loud noise exposure to young children over a long period of time Measuring decibel levels In certain parts of when you ski where we feel like There are young children and though they're most being impacted Something that I think is outlined in the letter, but I know there's funding that's going to be coming in for the next it's not going to be about 10 years before All this funding comes in for noise mitigation, but taking a close look at what entails accepting that money whether Property owners have to give up certain rights In the future if they accept those funds So we wouldn't want to necessarily give up or have property owners give up a right to If you know sue if for some reason there was some sort of contamination or something that's That was happening over in the airspace. So just taking a look at that language and getting sure that People can't think about certain rights to receive those funds And You know, we just want to Go into this with clear heads and Advocate on behalf of presidents as much as possible Thank you I would respond just in case other members of council haven't read Through the details, but it is the policy in the noise compatibility program that accepting any funding You give an navigation easement, which is has two components One is just about you can't build so high And lighting and trees and stuff, but the other one that you're referring to more important is You are accepting that you have this air traffic this noise disturbance You know potential other disturbances and that you cannot sue for that That is I mean, that's potentially something that we could push back on but it is Built into the program right now into the federal policy It is also an a voluntary program so You should as a homeowner know what you're giving up to get in on it, and it's your decision whether or not to do it, but I understand to your point Ideally being being able to get relief without having to make that commitment. Yeah, I think there's through if I could just add one more thing to there's There's concern over I think part of the program regarding that same program. There's There's There's a reimbursement for the fair market value of the house and his concern is to what that means Let me say fair market that fair market prior to the f35 is coming or let's say market prices drop significantly over the next 10 years because of jet noise and planes It's a fair market at the time of sale I I was reading about that and I believe what it refers to is the fair market value being determined by a certified appraiser Um, so I do think that's something that I want to follow up on is when is this determination made? What is that process if like? Yeah, there's more details in that because it could be the Not just f35s, but it could be just the economy in general if the economy It's not that such a good spot like it is now Markets and they go down and so that might just that might be another factor too into it I would have to believe so anyway Murray I guess um, I just want to make Like one suggestion. I don't even know if it's possible and then I have one question So the suggestion is since a number of communities are impacted and the ability to be with our federal legislators is pretty minimal I mean, I know that we've tried it seems to me there would be power in joining Five cities that are impacted and the mayor is asking all three representatives to come in ladies handers and wash Um, and so that we can advocate for more monies coming in faster for mitigation I think that's absolutely crucial And I think an advantage of that for them is to maybe involve that league of cities and towns to help coordinate it That it gives it a kind of power of that All these cities have come together the mayors of those cities the city councils are requesting that our federal legislators come and that they listen to our concerns about what we need in terms of mitigation Etc and that that be something that's public I know many of us have tried to meet with lehi and sanders and others and it's been difficult But the power of the community is coming together with councils I think gives it a weight that it doesn't have for any individual person or group and I'm not sure how far our letters get No matter how many we write so I do think that there's a power in that that we should tap and take it down and show My second my second is a question About the process. I know that at the hearings that you know when they were deriving our hearings But when they were doing, you know, their little thing over at the airport in o'brien Many many people had questions and will all those answers to those questions appear anywhere And will all the statements that people made and comments that people made appear in the final report And will we be notified about that? How will we find out about all those answers to the questions? I mean, there were questions. I hadn't even thought of You know, like You know, what if plane crashes and kills someone who's responsible for that and you know, how's that handled? So I guess I know I still have some questions about what happens now Many of us went to both hearings many of us wrote comments and asked questions But there were so many questions both those nights that I'd like to see the answers to the formal answers to In some way shape or form I Can't answer this for sure and I have been it is on my agenda this week to get more clarity on the public comment process I believe all the official public comments are to be included in the final report But to your point about answers to questions that were asked. I'm not sure about that. So that's something we can follow up on think Heather Is it possible for those to be reimbursement funds? So could there be a stopgap measure put in in the interim? Either by the state or the municipality which could then be reversed by those funds That's a good question That I will have to look into I think There's some complexity there based on There being different mitigation options and how the airport handle that so I don't think it will be an easy answer, but certainly we're working into First off want to thank everyone who was responsible for for organizing a special information session That Thursday night for winterski and for for also sending out the the postcards I think that we're the only community that had something in addition to the wednesday night one And it's I think it's also interesting because we're Right in the path and so I I believe that You know served a great purpose there And I The other the thing that I wonder as a follow-up is There were some there were some pretty basic questions I know I got responses from the four representatives of the air national guard who were there one of them being a pilot I just asked the question. Why is it that they have to fly so often? and he explained that there's a certain number of Of powers of training that are needed for readiness and and he said it's four days a week two times a day One in the morning sometime between 9 and 11 if I look through something like that one in that early afternoon And then also one saturday months and That was one question in another was exactly how Much louder is the f 35 than the f 16 because we all know how long how loud the f 16s are and They bypassed that answer by saying Oh, there are a lot of different factors involved the the altitude the weather and all that and all I said was if Everything else was the same and you just placed the different piece of equipment In that place how much louder is it going to be and they didn't have the answer? so What I'm suggesting is Could a fact sheet be put together that's an official fact sheet from the military saying This is This this is what we have found and I think those two items should be on that fact sheet and and then perhaps something about fair market value and because a lot of people Don't go to meetings They both of those were well attended but but I think it would be very important to have that On the website of each of the communities in the area Um, and I do think also it would be really good to communicate that to the residents of burlington because it's burlington's airport and They're the ones In the city council needs it needs to be aware that that It's their airport, but it's it's our flight paths that We're dealing with um Yeah, this is certainly something that we can inquire We did receive um an faq from From the airport and amagar Um, certainly didn't include that information so we can always go back and ask for for more updates there um And I guess we can also consider where we're storing this information on our own website For ease of access Any other public comments at this time? um So something that I thought we should talk about is Essentially, we have like three Program options that they're including here the sound insulation and sales assistants and purchase assurance um Sound insulation being Mitigating an existing home the residents stay in there There's no change in ownership Sales assistants being scenario where a homeowner sells their list their property at fair market value And if they don't get it the airport will guarantee to pay the difference. Um I was reading through some documents in the technical advisory committee meetings There's kind of a pro con less. They're saying in the scenario You don't end up with any vacant homes because people are in the home until it's sold But there is no Insulation actually done to the home. So somebody ends up purchasing it for a lower value potentially And it doesn't have any mitigation done and they've given the navigation easement. So I think In my view like they're the long term there. There's no long term value involved in that particular option The purchase assurance program Being where the airport actually buys the home at the fair market value They maintain possession Add in the insulate noise insulation and that sort of thing and then resell it So in the in the scenario You do have that long-term value in the house being mitigated for future owners But potentially you have vacancies And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I read that We as a city will not receive property tax on that property while it's in their possession They used a phrase like add valorem or something I don't know about that Yeah, I haven't heard that in a meeting but but that does not mean it's not the case. I can check on that We should I will look that up. I don't know if that's acceptable um So my thought is that like there is Sales assistance and purchase assurance have two different pros and cons going on and there's potentially we should decide based on feedback We hear which of those we want to advocate more for So I believe the What the airport is going to submit to the fAA is going to say These are the program options we want that the communities want And then the fAA will make a decision. So it's not Guaranteed that they're going to give us all of these options And so we need to tell them what it is that folks want here Did you find it? No, I this document is Many hundreds of pages long And I just want to Check an assumption I have made which is um another mitigate another noise compatibility program option is Um tear downs is just eliminating the homes which we have seen in south burlington Pretty significantly in the last couple of years and south burlington has taken a very strong stance that that is not an acceptable mitigation option for their community anymore Um being that it's workforce housing that's being Taken down I am I have assumed that this council would feel the same way that we're not interested in in the destruction of homes We're more interested in the sound mitigation of homes Okay, that's why I'm to make sure That would be an option for you. Yeah when I attended the the thursday presentation at the o'brien community center I spoke with a resident who had recently went through the weatherization program and had windows replaced and insulation and so forth and um Was was really surprised how Quiet his home became because of the insulation So it seems to me that that's a that's a viable way to consider the sound insulation aspect of it um I mean that wasn't his intention But that was certainly the outcome because of the work that was done So that seems To make sense to me. It's a good one from homeowner because it makes our house more efficient too. Oh, yeah, so And just to clarify is our deadline to submit our recommendation when the public comment expires on june 28 Or when do you have to give them a decision? We should do it before then. Okay, uh, something that jesse and I also talked about was When we put together an official comment To make sure that residents know about that and know how to provide their own public comment Because the more people we get the more voices that weigh in the more successfully you're likely to be with Getting a preferable outcome So thanks for continuing to keep people in the loop. We'll keep you with the loop Can I ask a question about process then for council and city staff? If your goal is to have comments basically a completed commented on Proposal and by the before june 28 We have one council meeting left between now and then so the issues That we Raise around these particular programs. How much fine tuning can we apply and how much kind of thinking about How these programs would be implemented needs to happen now and I'm particularly thinking about There could be a mix of these programs that are appropriate for certain groups or segments within our society or within our city that Um Such as like certain levels of income certain history of home ownership and maybe moving harder certain barriers to movement such as inability to pay closing costs like there are other factors that could keep people from being able to Leave and take advantage of programs that others can so how much time do we have or how can we figure out fine Tuning do we need to have that done now? And if so, how do we do that kind of fine tuning? It's an excellent question because we are on a tight schedule here um Is my hope that tonight we surface what our priorities and concerns are and that by the next meeting we could bring a draft statement um We do potentially have a special meeting to set the tax rate where we could actually Maybe approve whatever that statement is if there are more changes that we need after viewing it Which they will probably be um We also are working with south berlington to see what they're putting forward So that we can find if there's alignment there to have a more unified voice so We can we can easily have a draft statement by next meeting. We just need to Today think about what are the priorities and concerns that we have Which to your point um Yes, I think absolutely some combination of programming is required here It's not going to be one size fits all and thinking about our What are I guess demographic or Area concerns is is important as well So what I was saying earlier about You know, are we trying to prioritize certain areas of the city or certain types of families or homes is a important question Right with the map deter that or determine that though I mean, that's the the most direct flight Of all the earth graphs So that is how they typically do it But if we as a community think we need to address the This for children first or for denser areas or for low-income areas who have less options of their own We could advocate for that. That doesn't mean they're going to do that But we could advocate for it and I would recommend advocating to be prioritized areas of children first I think that that or that should be one of our top higher priorities There should be one criteria at ranking proposals that got done first and I like your idea Heather some sort of stopgap if that was But potential especially for homes for young children. I think that has multiple knockdown lifelong benefits that we would want to try and make use of I have heard that in public comment as well And and can see the value in setting priority there for sure good The map showed that St. Francis Xavier is definitely The big noise area School is a little bit correct if I'm out of that, but there were several Areas where children congregate that aren't on those maps center point school wasn't on that map Also, you know Brian community center wasn't you know, you're we're talking about more than just those two schools in the community and and also Marguerite remind me that there are a lot of home daycares You know, there are a lot of places where pre You know pre-kindergarten children are going to be Yeah, so but but I also think that It would make a real statement that we're concerned about the welfare of our children. It was a great seeing your daughter So that that is something as we need to get those other buildings on the map We talked to the airport staff about that. Um, I had center point noted Do you Heather do you have access to know where home daycares are located? I Do Well, it'd be the it'd be the licensed ones that we can find out Private ones we have to do some acquiring about They would not be hard to know just listen to the kids Well, and that's the other thing to keep on remembering We listen for the kids because the kids are outside playing and all of these mitigations are going to do nothing for kids who are outside playing And I do think we still need to keep on reminding people the other thing I think Isn't such a bad thing to remember is how how toxic In f-35 with stealth technology is when it crashes because there will be crashes With f-35s and let's hope that they're not going to be in any populated areas But we have heard that when there is a crash It's a square mile that has to be evacuated, which is Just under just under the size of our city A square mile if there's a crash and you know Even though this hasn't this isn't about noise mitigation. I think we still have to keep on remembering What we're talking about with this kind of military Equipment I'll be all aircraft soil too. I hate to see A commercial jet crashing. We're gonna see because all the jet fuel it carries I mean that would be probably even bigger disaster than an f-35 crash But that'd be any aircraft in my opinion and I think there is something to say about kids playing outside but I You know, I did when the f-35s did take off last week It took them a minute and 20 seconds for four of them to get out of our airspace So it's not like it's 5 10 minutes prolonged noise. It's a minute So and once it was really weird too was once they left the airspace where I live on belby street It seemed like the noise kind of stopped at a certain point that you didn't hear them anymore Well, I was hoping that I mean they certainly weren't using afterburners. This was friday morning at 8 10 Yeah, but they took off correct and they I think they're realizing it's worth treating us with kid gloves and I hope they continue Well, the air guard repeatedly said that 95 percent of the time if we're gonna take off with an afterburner I think we have better bigger problems that we need to address on our whole safety as a city If that's the case, but they keep repeating me saying that 95 percent of the time they're gonna take off without the afterburners and it was totally a different noise and we have 16s and You know, I I'm not a professional sound person, but I do believe that they weren't that much loud They're not four times louder than they have 16s like that People are stated they weren't it's a different sound for sure a little more bellow But um, I like I said it took about a minute 20 seconds maybe a minute and a half or four of them the clear airspace so you know I hear motorcycles go through that You know when when five six motorcycles go by they take longer to get through especially if they're harleys They're they're a lot louder. So, um, I think that has to say something to the the amount of time it took them to get out and We'll see what happens, right? I mean, I would acknowledge that people experience sound differently. Um, you know me personally I found the f 16 16s incredibly disruptive. My husband doesn't notice them that much So it's definitely different depending on the person Correct. Um, and where you live where you live. Yeah, yeah I want to ask one quick thing about the mitigation choices You say we really need to make Priorities of what we love we can try but we don't really get there Is this another opportunity for when our federal legislators can help us? And certainly lay he got the 35th year. We should be able to pressure him To help us with the mitigation choices that we have Yeah, absolutely outreach to our delegation combined with the official public comment is Yeah, a joint effort of Multi-pronged approach here I just presume that you'll be taking you and Jesse take the lead on conveying council's perspective in total With the discussions you're going into going into your perspective and present to those conversations That's right. I represent the entire council. I'm not I'm wondering if any analysis has been done on the mix of rental versus owner occupied housing in this zone yet Do we know roughly is this I'm assuming is majority rental, but I don't know I think that would also be important to consider that the incentives that would drive a landlord to participate in the program may be different than what would drive a owner So when we think about tailoring, especially if it's around Sales assistance or purchases sure as this would be very different choices for people Depending on whether they're renting or only sorry leasing or only That's a good point. I think is the city we're going to have to be communicating These options out letting people know I think potentially we would be advocating to landlords to do this on behalf of their residents because if they're It's an income property. They don't live here. They might not realize the the need They might see an opportunity to make their property valid more. Right. So I think But I have a question. I don't know. I don't know if I've read this anywhere With this money that the FAA is going to help do all this What if there's other problems that come During the work process when they're replacing windows or when they're insulating homes and they see Bad plumbing or bad electrical hazardous cold violations in homes. Are they prepared to help homeowners pay for those upgrades as well? Is that stated in the words? I think that's an important part Because in my job when I'm working and I have a job to do if I come across a hazardous Wiring system by code and by my license tells me I have to fix it Yeah, so the consultant told us that If they are touching Electrical work for whatever the reason is they find out the panel needs replaced. They would do that But if it's an unrelated Item and it doesn't touch the pieces that they're working on they would not pay for that Okay, did you want to add anything? Well, the other thing I want to bring up to day two This this has to be especially if it's a commercial property or a triplex Because state permits will have to be issued for this work and the state permits will not be closed out if the The inspectors go through the homes and they find a problem a code violation They the homeowner will have to fix it before the permit gets closed out So I think there's some literature there that we have to make sure that the homeowner is protected and not having to spend money out of their pocket or something that was supposed to be a Not a gift but an upgrade for them And I hate to see a homeowner not to spin out of the pocket because of a hazard in order for them to close a permit out Because when they have an open permit, they can't sell their home I don't I believe they can't refinance their home So that's something I think we should look into as well I mean single-family homes that there's no permits, but any commercial building or anything over to like a triplex and on That would be an issue And I think it should be we should state it somewhere um, I do know they pay for the cost of permitting and I'm sure this is a possible situation, but generally they shouldn't be If they're opening it up, it's something they should be working. They should be fixing anyway They shouldn't be surfacing issues that are you know, if they're touching only duct work Then they shouldn't be surfacing another issue, but I understand it's definitely something that could happen Well, when you go into the contract, they have a contract to do a specific job The contractor's not gonna if he's not gonna have paid for it. He's not into it But they like I said if they are touching it and they find a problem they will they will add that to I didn't see the reading on that. So this is I went digging deep into the Okay. No, it's good. I'm good to the technical These are kind of the questions that some people are gonna I don't want to see them get blindsided. I don't see any Winooski residents get blindsided by anything like this. So Any other thoughts about area or I don't know who Housing we would like to prioritize Um, I think we can absolutely get some Mapping information would it help it? Would it help if the fAA started by giving us their chart and then we can kind of tweak it? I mean, are we gonna have that kind of? No, so what we would say is we want to prioritize homes with young children This is how we work or community spaces where children are they would determine the order The property owner would have to apply anyway. It's not like he'd be saying you do this one and then this one. So we're really We're trying to basically inform their policy with our values Because I kind of see them doing it as a like a block by block Potentially but since Winooski is not a very I mean it's a square mile. So it's not It's not like they could be traveling an hour to go from one job and then go back travel another hour to another job So I saw you thinking I just have a lot of concerns about sales assistants and purchase assurance or Our town could look like in the eight years if there is a combination of people selling and not ending up with homes that are mitigated And or places that just never get sold because no one wants to purchase I kind of belong to the point that you get out. I think that There's a lot of value in the sound installation As we've been discussing this and the other thing I wanted to surface tonight This is totally outside the power of the ncp. So I I just think we just need to keep an eye on the school and how that's Hopefully the bond vote will allow them to successfully mitigate. I have my child's six year old in kindergarten and I asked her what it was like On at 8 10 in the morning on Friday. She said it's like someone was here yelling at me It was like they were whispering and so that's how she experienced that inside the school at Take off with that effort for afterburners. And so I don't have her permission to tell that story, but I tell it anyways To say that I you know She then went on with her day and it was fine But that was her experience and like for me as a parent to hear that was challenging And we don't have any mechanism here to address that issue And so I know the school is going to be thinking about it working out at heart But if there's anything in these conversations we have with our legislature legislators to Push that issue as well through other means that would be Really wonderful to see the city support See this is it the one uski school district aren't they outside the They're outside the the decibel that's my concern too, but they They are doing I think a full I believe that bond That all the windows are getting replaced in that whole school So now they might have some power to say this is the window we want And I've just left to see some of that burden taken up because right now the taxpayers are going to bear that Burn it completely and so it'd be nice to see other federal assistance to offset those costs Yeah, they are already touching windows HVAC It's they're pretty much doing the work. Yeah, so making sure that they As they can put in treatments that do mitigate and I agree can I make a suggestion? Can we Contact that community director that the school just fired because maybe the chief can help Well, yeah, well absolutely talk to Jesse and I are actually meeting with um The superintendent and school board chair Next week ish Okay, and this is on on the agenda to discuss awesome So can I make a proposal about? What Christine and I can work on to bring back to you all at the next meeting. I think um From the meetings I've sat through I think there's two sets of Priorities we're talking about I think there are things we want to well actually there's three There's feedback we want to provide on the NEM like put center point on like put daycare centers on You know how we get the map as accurate as possible um, then there is The noise compatibility programs. We would like to see here i.e. Sound insult for gym sound insulation Not tear downs for example I think there's a third set of agreements or things we would like to put forth which would be uh MOU directly with burlington. Um, the feedback we provide on the ncp process is really Guiding the airport on when you apply for funding. We would like you to apply for this kind of funding Um, but I think there's another set of things we might want to advocate for directly to burlington for example Um, we want them to apply for funding every year You know, that is an option that the city of burlington has whether they put in requests for FAA funding annually like um There's the the people who will coordinate the noise compatibility program once it's up and running can either be Done through a staff person at the airport or done through a consultant that could be somewhere else in the country And just coordinating from a distance and we might want to advocate for having a staff person on the ground Who can come out and meet with our neighbors Um, so I think what I so my recommendation and all of that is we I think christine and I and primarily me with her Checking it Should take what we've heard today Take what we've heard from the public and a public comment We've received tried to put that into two different documents one document being or three different documents one document being NEM feedback one document being Um Guidance on our priorities around the ncp and then one document being an updated Memorandum of understanding that we would approach burlington with perhaps in partnership with our surrounding communities To say this is what we'd like you to prioritize And then we could bring that back to you on the 17th And then you could walk through and kind of see is this capturing those details of prioritization That you've heard the community is interested in Seeing some head nods Sounds like a great structure. Thank you, jesse Any other comment? All right, thank you all for participating Thank you As well as the council members and thank you jesse for the excellent Summarization Should we move to our final regular item then discussion? I'm sorry approval item for agrarian censor leases for vermont works for women and community health centers of burlington There have been many agrarian leases I think this can be the last Has everybody do So two final leases here To present tonight and these have been back and forth with legal reviews And that's why the delay here and getting them to the table But vermont works for women and community health centers of burlington So two large tenants for us at the abrion center on two tenants that have been there since We've had management of the facility and as a result some interesting history. I think on both sides So i'm going to start with vermont works for women if that works For you and then we can talk about the details there and then move to the community health center Would like to mention to gen olden the director at vermont works for women is here as well She and her team have been awesome to work with throughout this anything for all of us Unwinding a lot of agreements that were made before any of the people unwinding them Who are at the table has been an interesting process, but it's been a really I think amicable and positive one so far so We talked about some of these pieces when we had brought leases to you back in early This was early may that we were here with the first batch But wanted to again just reiterate with the vermont works for women lease in addition to Through the basic details of the lease that are included here There's an amortization schedule which goes Well into the future and that's based on the initial construction costs of the space that vermont works now resides in They built that in 2008 at their own expense and The city basically agreed to pay out overtime through a rent relief program that cost So as you see in the details of that lease that agreement goes well into the future I believe it's 2051 that we are looking at now as an expiration date there You know, it's again, I think an attempt was made in this round to cut that shorter When we first started looking this it was 2062 It's 2063 so we were able with vermont works to to work to bring that time period down a little bit, but I think for You know really reasons of the financing In the accounting on vermont works room inside. There weren't a lot of options that were available to us to really truncate that amount of time So we felt like this was a good arrangement in terms of the amount of rent relief that we're going to continue to give them into the future and then the You know again cutting 10 years off that commitment So are there questions about that amortization schedule? I think hopefully Angela and Suzanne from vermont works work a lot on those member details But hopefully those has laid out made sense But I just wanted to maybe while we're on that piece ask if there were any specific questions So did you increase the relief in order to shorten the payback term? Is that what you just said? More or less so the rent So the rent relief ended up being increased because the square footage that we're charging the rate Has increased so they're also paying additional money for their rent. Okay Those two are tied together So Yes, that makes sense jump to the next okay And then in terms of the cam so the common area maintenance So a lot of our leases prior to this round of updates had a rent component and a cam component And the cam was fairly complex because it's a very complex building There's a lot of shared services some are shared within one suite Some are shared across four suites And so those cam calculations were fairly onerous and complicated and also led to Essentially the money we were bringing on the revenue side going up and down Dependent on the cost of building operations So what we were trying to do is the new leases is eliminate cam and get to a straight dollar number per square foot The challenge with the marot works lease is that there is had traditionally been a cam escalator over the first term of the lease that We were a little bit stuck with So we've worked here to try to eliminate that To a point and I think you can help me articulate this better Basically, we're going to be charging jumping to a full campaign That's based on the square footage that they're actually now inhabiting Versus stepping that up over the next three years And then doing so we are committing to taking on management of the HVAC system So prior to them paying cam on their full square footage They were continuing to manage and pay for costs associated with their HVAC system That was a an arrangement that was planning to sunset Anyway in the future in three years This just escalates that a little bit more quickly and then we take on that cost and the burden of that system three years sooner Where I think that's advantageous for us is that obviously as you know, we're looking at that HVAC system down there in totality It lets us bring that into the fold now Versus trying to build that in later And you know kudos to them. They've done a great job in managing that system doing regular preventative maintenance Keep a good record. So it's a system that's in good shape That's a little bit different than the The next lease that we'll talk about Which again improves some funding to do some improvements to so So far as we can tell there's no whammy's there that we're inheriting Obviously That's In addition, we've eliminated the complicated Calculation that was being used to determine what the cam would be cam is now a flat dollar amount That was roughly equivalent to that prior calculation that will increase on a fixed basis into the future Good for budgeting on both sides. I would imagine Yes So I think in terms of the vermont works lease those were really the the too big call out items that we wanted to to make sure To highlight there. Um, certainly if there are other specific questions that came up as you look through that happy to answer those But those are the two big ones that we wanted to point out Any questions council? Is there any doubt falls to what we're doing here on this? I mean if Yeah, I mean I think if we sign this lease and the HVAC system breaks tomorrow Then that's the expense that we are taking a risk on you know, I think Kicking I think in three years based on the original agreement. That's what we were looking at anyhow, so this kind of Escalates are the time where we are Responsible there, but again, I think it also has some benefits for us in terms of looking Building wide at HVAC functionality and getting that into the system. This will keep a long term tenant happy And so that's pretty much a win-win It feels like Yeah, it feels that way and I think with again with vermont works being a long term tenant being a good partner doing I think really important work for the community in the city It's it's something we really do want to keep them here And there there was an exchange with the going to full cam square footage They're paying the additional rent on that piece two years earlier than they would have otherwise correct So can I ask one question for the reserve expense that we've approved for other HVAC improvements? Does this system tie in at all with that system or like are the really Different systems so from a controls perspective, and I'm going to look at john a little bit here For perspective, I don't believe it. Well, okay, so they are completed All right, talk to us about So another Interesting scenario here, so they were tenants of this building prior to and I should say they When he's key family health and vermont dental care were two nonprofit agencies that were tenants of the o'brien center building Before the city of the building so they were initially tenants of common law At the time that they moved into the building. They did all the fit up. So they installed the hvc system all the Walls and and guts that went in to set them up for their space was done prior to the city owning the building So we have not had any role in managing or paying for their systems in that suite As we went to renegotiate at least with them That became a sticking point and this is now going on A year ago at least that this conversation has been back and forth that we've been negotiating here so The feeling here is that If these entities were to leave tomorrow We would need to address this issue in that space because there are hvc system elements there that are not Functioning well and you need to be addressed By renegotiating lease without taking on that management and incorporating a payback over the first five year term of their lease It felt like a win-win and that it allows us to address some comfort issues and some health issues within that space Allows us to keep you know to your point a good tenant happy I think you were sort of singing the praises of that functionality in that facility at the last meeting and I couldn't agree more It's a really important community resource And then over time after that first five year payback The rent rate remains so we continue to see funds coming in above what they're paying now That would allow us to start to do capital planning deal with preventative maintenance, etc. So And that's correct. Thank you and that's so those User reserves were approved at the previous meeting to allow for that work to happen So this is the lease that codifies now the revenue side of that situation And then one I think Other component here that was not in the memo and I apologize, but I do want to call it out So initially we had hoped to negotiate a lease with one entity of community health centers of Burlington Have them carry a sub tenant of Vermont dental care because they are two separate nonprofits They requested that we have a lease that addresses both entities individually And speaking with our legal counsel We added in a clause in the preamble that states All the details of the lease are joint and several and that is the legal speak That means if one of them leaves the remaining entity is responsible for carrying out the elements of the lease So Vermont dental care can't roll up shop and head out And have us left in the urge for the you know their portion So this document does formally codify that Understanding so from from our counsel's perspective that actually is helpful because it gives us two entities to work with versus one but it is It is something different from the initial draft that you had seen A while back of this lease And then parking was also included there's some language there that we At their request included to just call out parking similar to the way we approach things with uvm medical Any questions? We already approved half of this. Yeah What's an important resource to our community to so we have to I mean it's no brainer Questions from the public We've learned how to time our meetings We appreciate what the O'Brien Center has offered how We've been able to negotiate both our financial constraints and try to move towards what you guys need so I just want to express my appreciation Thank you. We enjoy having you here as well. Thank you being a part of that Seeing down there If there are no other questions, I would entertain a motion to approve the lease documents So long as the final versions Remain in substantial conformity with the documents reviewed and authorized jesse baker the city manager to negotiate Ministerial and non-substantive changes to the documents and when complete execute them on behalf of the city So moved Second Motion by amy second by jim all those in favor. Please say aye. All right Those opposed or abstaining Non-motion carries Thank you Thus concludes our regular items um I now Move that we enter into an executive session to discuss into an executive session pursuant to one vsa 3131 b labor relations agreements with employees and specifically AFSCME as well as Executive session pursuant to one vsa 3132 the negotiation of real estate purchase or lease options related to lot 7d and invite myself and Julie for the AFSCME one and john rousher for both jesse baker john rouser and julie holbert with us Motion by house second by jim all those in favor. Please say aye. All right Motion carries. We will move into an executive session Um, we will only discuss the executive session items. No other business will be discussed And we will return to this room solely to um adjourn the meeting so there will be no other business discussed Excellent steer get our signatures out of the way