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Okay, fine Yeah, here we go The Daily Tech news show with Tom Merritt is powered by Patreons like you from five cents to 50 bucks every contribution helps Tom and company produce fresh episodes of essential tech news To learn more and support the show visit patreon.com Slash ace detect This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 I'm Tom Merritt joining me as he does most Wednesdays. Mr. Scott Johnson chief of the frog pants host of the morning stream Host of the Instance man about Salt Lake City. How are you Scott Johnson? I am happily the man about Salt Lake City today It is beautiful here and it is beautiful there and what better time than now Who better people than us to make a show on a Wednesday about technology dang it So here's what's gonna happen folks. We're gonna spend the next half hour 40 minutes Talking about tech news now. Usually what we do is we read you the headlines that takes us about 20 minutes And then we find a topic either out of the headlines or something You know that's on our minds that day to explore a little more deeply But we got so many good emails from folks and we've done this once before That we're just gonna go straight from the headlines, which are full of good news from ifa So we got plenty to talk about there and we're gonna go right into your emails Now the last time we did it it was Friday Scott. It was fan mail Friday So we're trying to think of a good way to talk about doing this for for Wednesday. Is it Sunbutt in the chat room recommended WTF Wednesday for what the fan mail Wednesday Okay, all right. We'll hold that one up there. Do we like that one? Is it okay if we do it? I don't know. I don't know. I kind of like it. I might be the only one sunbutt and I may be the only One maybe it's what's up Wednesday? That was suggested by our producer Jenny who is an adult and probably the one we will go with Meanwhile, let's start the headlines The verge reports on acer's new modular pc called the revobild series The first core block that will be issued is called the m1 601. It's a 2.2 inch tall 4.92 by 4.92 inch brick With a celeron or pentium processor inside up to eight gigabytes of ram three usb 3.0 ports HDMI display port sd card reader and a headphone mic combo jack. That's it. You just get that at the base then What they'll do is sell you modules just remind me of what the ti 99 for it was like They'll send you they'll sell you modules so you can add like a 500 gigabyte or terabyte hard drive a wireless charging dock a speaker a gpu A projector and a separate microphone The m1 601 goes on sale in europe the middle east in africa in october for 199 euros and then hits china in december for 999 you on No word on price of release dates for other modules That's that's we got a price release for the base module But if you want to add a hard drive Yeah, I have to wait for more details reminds me of the so that modular phone that we are supposed to get the Got delayed. Oh, yeah project aura. Yes. It reminds me of that and When I saw this pop this morning and then in some tech news I was reading I was surprised that this didn't already exist that we haven't already tried to figure out a way to Lego together Different components of a computer because it seems like we've been at this long enough that that would make a bunch of Sense and it would eliminate a lot of headache on the part of both user and manufacturer The only downside here obviously is you don't have as much customization as you might like if you're a big time PC aficionado and you're trying to build out the most custom gaming rig or whatever it is You might be building but the idea that they're going to offer a projector module Says a lot about what I think they're aiming for here at what market they want and that is a business market that wants easy fast switchable portable Solution that let them take these things on the road and do presentations and then use them and for things other than You know high-end gaming or video processing or something like that. It's definitely not for high-end gaming I've read that the target is Emerging markets where people don't have a lot of money to spend On a full-on desktop computer So they can start by just getting the the base and a couple modules and go from there In that case, maybe the projector is hey, you don't have to buy an external display Just get the projector module and you can use it wherever you are Yeah, I would totally this would be something I would consider If uh, let's say you're just doing a whole lot of traveling and you had to do a lot of sort of Meeting with people in in conference rooms in small places and being able to pull up something really quickly Um, and I've seen photos of it. It looks like it's relatively small and easy to kind of move around Really, I'm not thinking of this for travel at all. Just get a laptop with a portable projector And you get a lot lighter weight That's a good point But imagine a box where at home or not to say at home at the home office And again, this is not something I think I would want personally But I think if you're at the you're at your home office and you've got three stacks That's the cpu base unit the hard drive And I don't know what else some other thing, but then you're like i'm going on the road All I need is the base unit and the projector Pop pop put it on there's something appealing about the hard drive. That's a good point I can't take the drive. It's interesting. Yeah, and it'll be interesting to see How this does get used if it does it's not the first time someone's tried a modular pc before It just hasn't caught on Before and I think what acer is gambling on is right now PC sales are not strong So you need to do something different and that introduces it to an audience that doesn't have a lot to spend to begin with To to maybe carve out a niche for sales and that Approach seems very wise to me whether this will work or not. I I couldn't tell you Yeah, we'll have to see they seem to be going after Folks like nvidia shield and some others are some of the products they debuted their new gaming screens look really nice So acer trying to do new things and I think I I think I like that even if this is something I wouldn't buy I like that someone's out there fiddling around with this stuff Sony officially announced it's android 5.1.1 Xperia z5 family of phones Including the previously leaked z5 premium, which is a 4k. That's not a phone Which is a 4k screen along along with these z5 and z5 compact z5 as a 5.5 inch 3840 by 2160 display. That's pretty good. The z5 has a z5 rather has a 5.2 inch 1080p display We're i'm guessing there's a decent cost difference there and the z5 has a 4.7 inch 420 display 420p That is the z5 also has a new one and a half or excuse me one half point three or a half point three inch X more am I saying that right x more I think rs 23 megapixel image sensor These z5 and z5 compact will be available in october and the z5 premium in november Zippo word on price. Yeah phones with 4k just like that guy said in the leaked video the other day So here we go. Sony banking on their Superior sensors that that's one thing that they're they're good at and then putting a 4k screen on one Well 4k by one definition I mean I look the problem I have with 4k Is that it floats its definition floats around it's a bit like 4g was when 4g was all the rage. I think well just because it's 3840 that's that's 4k enough I mean don't you want to see like when you see 1080p you get a 1080 in there, right? I'd like when you like to see what do you want him to say 3.8 4k? No, I don't but I guess all I'm saying is a standard is a standard and nobody seems to have one No, I think this is the standard. I think the standard accounts for rounding up but but that aside I I don't see a 4k screen even at 3.8 4k sure Compelling me to want to buy a sony phone and sony really needs something compelling to make people want to buy their front Well, they're focused on displays and on camera sensors is kind of a big deal and sony Like you said is known for good camera sensors. They have a huge market tied up with that My iphone has a sony camera sensor in it and lots of android phones do so if they can continue to Dominate all those markets and introduce their own phone kind of just get a little piece of the the the pie They're already sort of meddling in well. Why not? I think that's good for them As promised intel released more details about its sixth generation processor series code named skylake with several series ranging from a base 4.5 watt Thermal design power for ultra thin machines all the way up to a 91 watt zeon for workstations Among the new series is the y series with the new core m processors These not core m is new But they these are new processors in the core m series meant for convertibles tablets and compute sticks Intel promises its newly named m3 m5 and m7 processors will deliver twice the performance of the best tablet today And the verge notes a feature in Skylake called speed shift which can move performance management from the os To the processor thus reducing processing speed adjustments if it realizes it needs to crack up its clock or crank up its clock speed It can do it in a millisecond Usually from an operating system and it takes about 30 milliseconds. That's a huge It's a huge increase. I mean, I know it's marginal by our own Telling of time, but in computer world. That's 30 times better than it used to be Exactly snappy is what we call it in the non-computer world. Well, it's just so snappy. Why is that? Well, there you go Well, there you have it bring on skylake I say laptop magazine reports Lenovo speaking of new computers has updated its line of yoga convertibles That can work as laptops tablets or intent mode. You've seen that where they kind of just make a little upside down v Both new models come with the intel skylake processors ssds improved fingerprint reader and the thinkpad pen pro active stylus Is there still no word on the nub? Is there a nub? There's a nub There is a thing. There's a nub. All right. Well, there's something there that's like a nub and that's all I care about nub like Sounds like a star wars character the yoga 260 has a 12.5 inch display weighs 2.9 pounds And is a 0.7 inches thick is all which is super thin The yoga 460 has a 14.1 inch display 3.9 pounds and 0.74 inches thick Both yoga is coming silver or black this november with the 260 starting at 949 dollars and the 460 starting at 1049 dollars And uh, those sound pretty tight to me. I like Lenovo a lot But do you feel a little weird about a Lenovo not being black all the time? Silver silver think pad. I know it's a think pad yoga, but still heresy heresy I say my t42 here is cringing at the idea of having one of its ancestor descendants, I guess be That's still have windows 10 on or did you put linux on there? Oh, no, that's got xp on it. Oh Older one, right? Yeah, that's circuit 2008. I think Uh among Lenovo's many other announcements were a think pad e5 60 with a 720p intel real-sense camera That's the one that can do motion capture and 3d scanning The laptop is coming in november for 549 dollars according to the next web and ours tectica understandably compares the idea pad Miix it's got two eyes. I don't know how to say it miix 700 to a microsoft surface pro The miix is a 12 inch tablet with a kickstand and detachable keyboard But unlike the current surface pro the miix has a skylight core m7 inside it. The surface pro has a haswell right now the Miix 700 also has two usb ports and a micro hdmi port a rear face rear facing Intel real-sense 3d camera so it doesn't do the facial recognition stuff The miix 700 will ship in november starting at 699 dollars I really don't like the name of it at all. But miix. I really like Of a scanner That could give me even if it's rudimentary and kind of low-end a 3d scanner is more and more something useful for somebody Oh on the e5 60. Yeah, yeah That real sense front-facing real sense camera not the rear-facing one how they can do the 3d scanning Uh, they can do some some cool like face to unlock stuff apparently Um, so yeah do some basic stuff and get those into You know some kind of cat app and make it print man. Listen man, if you're into fast new processors like skylake Whatever windows 10 is capable of doing in a new generation of machines. Ifa is wonderland for you because it's all about PCs and watches and the and the laptop PCs that they're talking about in tablets Are all using skylake and windows 10. Well, yeah, way am I saying that right highway? Hawaii Just huawei It's not that hard. Come on try it I'm hua and not probably not saying you're right. You're proud of now Anyway, huawei has a couple of ifa announcements as well man. Everything's coming up ifa this week the huawei huawei Watch goes on sale officially in the us on september 17th with models from 350 to 800 US venture beat notes stainless steel and black models are available for pre order right now With a rose gold model coming later this year. Everybody wants in on the gold Reuters reports The huawei announcement includes a high-end phone called the mate s It is or has a 5.5 inch display 13 megapixel rear camera fingerprint security and force touch The mate s will sell for 649 euros and 748 See models in 30 countries across europe china japan israel all of this starts on september 15 Does that not beat? That will beat anything apple is doing with force touch on a phone to market Uh, yes, likely unless they start selling it a week later after september 9th Apple hasn't announced but september 9th. We assume they'll announce new iPhones We bet that they're gonna have force touch So they'd have six days to put that new iphone in people's hands Which is unlikely that I I don't know that that will happen I Why it could it could it's not impossible. They've they've done quick turnarounds like that before But my guess is they won't they won't in this case if they weren't already planning to and in the last few releases would show That they're not they're not going to turn on a dime just because of this announcement And my guess is they don't care. Yeah, they're probably like, yeah, huawei whatever That's not our threat Well, and this is the interesting thing here to me is that huawei is moving into a high-end market and trying to compete with The likes of an iphone or samsung galaxy s Here's my question. I and this is maybe naive of me But the I thought force touch was a trademark thing apple was using as a marketing term Well, if you're talking trademark, I don't know if huawei is actually calling it force touch And I don't know if apple has a trademark on the word force touch, but it's definitely the same type of system What what is what could be interesting is if there's a patent on it and whether huawei had to license that or we're Going to see another patent lawsuit. That'll be interesting Yeah, uh, the verge reports google announced new features for its productivity apps dictation for google docs supports 40 languages and requires no training You just talk and it recognizes it's available across ios android and the web Android users get the ability to search for texture images in a split window when they're using google docs now And they can tap to insert a result from that search into their doc Then there's c changes a new button that highlights changes made since the last time you open the doc Uh and doc sheets and slides are all getting new templates sheets has a new feature called explore Which creates charts automatically from data. It did a little bit of that now, but it's much more expanded So yeah, lots of lots of new features for the folks who work in google drive I am jazzed about dictation because I was promised in the mid 90s By I don't remember the name of the company, but microsoft was pushing it a bunch And they were supposed to maybe it was dragon Anyway, they were supposed to be the end all be all you're going to be able to dictate your entire letter slash email slash Document whatever you had to say you could just talk the whole thing out and it never worked well And it was always kind of garbage and now it just kind of snuck up on me Even though we've had digital assistants voice assistants for years now It's finally to a place where I can comfortably and reliably and confidently talk to my computer And it will fill a doc full of what I say. That's great. We should be celebrating in the streets tom Let's do it. We're here. I'll start a doc where we can plan our street celebration We've arrived. Yeah, I can't wait to try this. I I rarely ever even think To use voice recognition on my laptop, but this might change my mind Well, and there's still that question because I used to use that thing you're talking about and I can't remember the name But I don't know if it was dragon naturally speaking back then but there was something I was using to control windows 3.1 Yeah, there's still that train it though There's still this issue of talking out loud to a thing and in groups or in an airport or something Yeah, that's true. People aren't sure they're gonna they're ready to do that But anyway amazon in the news they've added 11 more brands to its dash buttons program wednesday morning These are the little buttons you can stick next to your washer dryer and say I'm all out of tide Hit it and it'll reorder it new additions include icebreakers mint I go through a lot of those orbit gum Greenies dog products use any of that No, they make my dog throw up. All right. I don't think we've ever used them on ours But I'll take that note and Push a button to make your dog throw up is what this is hefty trash and storage bags ziploc and optimum nutritious gold standard 100 way protein Because you need to reorder that apparently All wide and has that whole phrase on there. That'd be amazing amazon will also refund the $4.99 cost of the button with the first purchase customers who already bought these buttons will get a credit With their next purchase amazon dash buttons are available for 29 different brands representing over 500 products I still don't know how I feel about these but there they are and they're coming fast apparently the people who buy and love them uh, I still Feel like They should just give them to me Yeah, like I maybe maybe I just order a product and then they throw in the the button for free Rather than making me pay It seems weird to pay and then get a credit back at least they're putting the credit though So there obviously there's money involved in making these things, but sure five bucks pays for itself after the first few orders Wired's tim Moynihan reports Motorola announced a refreshed line of moto 360 watches Wednesday The new moto 360s come in 42 millimeter and 46 millimeter sizes And there's a variation to the 42 millimeter meant for women That accommodates slimmer watch bands with the little lugs in there Motorola now rates its battery at two days promises more accurate heart rate and sleep sensors And both watches are available to connect through wi-fi As well watches range from 300 to 430 dollars can be designed and pre-ordered today And they'll ship in late september Also, the next web reports moto x pure edition was announced That's a phone available for pre-order today for 399 dollars shipping in mid september I like those moto devices and phones. I think they're pretty good. It's nice to see they still want to You know, I don't know this the watch market is still I think a dubious one as to whether or not it's a The long lasting thing everyone hopes it is but it's nice to see that You know, it's it's not just apple and one or two other brands that are that are banking on it Connect directly by wi-fi. I like that That means I only need my phone to make a phone call. Which sort of makes sense to me. I guess yeah, I guess so Well, you're no dick tracy Tom Neither am I Zagman 76 pointed us to a tech crunch article that google will start down ranking some sites that display giant app Install ads when you click through to their site on mobile. I also hate those Starting november 1st any install interstitials is what they're calling them that hide a significant amount of content on the transition from the search result page As you're all quotes by the way We'll lose their quote mobile friendly unquote status and mobile search rankings That is a painful thing in these days of mobile increased searching This won't affect sites that are standard app install banners seen in chrome and safari It's not every single one of them just the ones that take over your screen Although Some folks have pointed out that several google products like oh, I don't know gmail Do this they take over your old screen with a thing that says get the app I'm gonna ask about that. Yeah Hulu launched a mostly commercial free version of their service on wednesday For $12 a month. That's $4 more than the usual $8 a month Viewers can see no commercials in most shows and movies exceptions are a few shows They list seven from abc and fox that hulu says it doesn't have the rights to stream commercial free Also hulu users who authenticate with pay tv providers Will still have to watch commercials on shows that would not be available without the authentication Thanks to hermouth for the submission of this on subreddit. This this Is mostly commercial free even the ones that they don't have the licenses for right now They'll only do pre-roll and post-roll. So through the middle of the show, you won't have commercials Well, that's enough for me to have bitten and done it today. You signed up. I know in fact while we were talking I signed up this morning on tms And I thought they're they're finally doing the thing that that I always had said would make hulu valuable to me again And and now I'm in and I don't mind a 15 second at the top and I don't mind a 30 at the end And I know there are some people are like well if you're paying for it You shouldn't get any but then again on netflix i'm getting 15 second usually promotions of their own shows But still I never get those never does I get them all the time? I maybe well, I shouldn't say all the time. I get them And frankly, I'm so used to that on amazon and hbo. I don't consider those commercials That's different than something trying to sell me soap Yeah, exactly. So if they're selling me soap for 15 seconds I guess I'm a little less excited about that than I am about them telling me about their hot new exclusive series But on the whole I think that's great. Also, you coined this phrase hoolars today I think that's what people who use hoolars should hoolars should be called. They're hoolar. You a hoolar. Yeah That's how i'm watching empire That's actually how we watch empire. I know you're gonna start that I've been wanting to watch empire forever because of you and your wife And you guys have said how great it is and I've had no real way to watch it as an unplugger Now I have a way so we had to watch constant commercials. Oh, man. The sacrifices you made for me All right, what are you gonna tell us about google? Check this out google. Sorry. I dumped something on the floor It's great radio when that happens google will unveil its new nexus smartphones in san francisco at an event september 29th According to cnet sources one model will supposedly be built by lg who created nexus four and five While the second larger handset will be built by hallway. Well, there you go There's some sales out of that. Uh, that's interesting splitting it between the two. I guess they've done it before though That's not that unusual, right rumor rumor, but Seems legit. So, yeah, I'm waiting for that invite to come out september 29th. But yeah Uh, lg's done it before moving closer to huawei makes sense I I I believe this will end up proving to be true Well, there you go Finally bb powers sent us the mashable report about a man who connected 54 propellers to a lawn chair and used it to fly Briefly the as-yet unnamed man calls his flying machine the swarm He controls it with a remote that he got at hobby king His cockpit consists of the lawn chair I mentioned and an umbrella and he wore his best purple shoes with black socks because he is that cool Wow, when they when they say does it doesn't see how brief the briefly was does it? You watch the video. It's a few seconds. All right You know what he goes up in the air and then he comes back. Look those when Mankind does not just leap into the great new innovations. We take small baby steps. Damn it And this is what's happened here and my the hat's off to this guy. Yeah My propeller hat Hey, uh, don't forget we get a lot of this news from you A big majority of it comes from the fact that we look at daily tech news show reddit.com to see what you folks Have been voting on so get in there and do some voting or even some submitting at daily tech news show reddit.com join The five thousand plus people who help create the show All right, like we said, it's what's up Wednesday. That feels good. I like that Where we're just going to read emails from experts in our audience. You folks are smart You've got good ideas. Good suggestions. And in some cases inside knowledge here Uh, tyler in please can we get a little rain, new jersey? Regarding apple possibly making original contents what patrick beige and I were talking about yesterday says look at apple's ads Their advertisements suggest That apple could at least achieve a successful launch of something with creative engaging content and might be able to achieve Some kind of game changing launch of something unexpected Now tyler who says the question is Is and he thinks apple is asking itself this question right now. Will apple risk its brand? Pursuing those because they've occasionally had some ads that didn't work out so well And then simon thinks apple is going to produce a set of news current documentaries Something of the gravitas of john steward interviews, but across news fashion gaming music and popular culture Simon says this way. There is a continual stream of new content What scott, what do you think? First of all that simon idea sounds good, but i'm really intrigued by tyler's question of And i'm he's not the first person to say this that apple doing original content would threaten their brand somehow Well in potentially let's say it's not that great Well, then you then you've got a problem on your hands like powers with playstation and sony And that wasn't that great. It was okay. Sony still sell lots of play stations They sure are and i and i and i maintain that the the core buying audience Doesn't care that much whether that's a flop or a success But when you're talking about a big new push or initiative It's it to me. It's like well, what if net what if netflix blew it with oranges the new black or with house house of cards What if those were just bad shows? We wouldn't think of netflix in the in the arena. We think of them now We think of them in a place of prestige and it's as good as a network And they get nods for me and all these things happen now We wouldn't have had that had they not failed so there's a risk there But i think it's a risk apple is willing to take i'm actually more interested in simon's suggestion of how they'll actually launch something and it just clicked with me And i actually think simon's onto something more over i think it's the model apple music just used And that is the beats one model and that is let's make something that is On the on all the time happening all the time for all i know they may even put cameras in the beats studios And beam that stuff to your apple tv 24 7 that'll be a show Yeah, at the very least if not 24 7 you could do that for an hour a day Exactly a lot of radio stations do this a lot of national radio stations do this So i'm not saying that'll be it for sure, but everybody who thinks oh, they're gonna launch with some huge 12 episode epic I think we would have heard long before about this there would have been all this production that would have leaked There's no way we're getting that that's too much work too much pain They may get to it eventually they certainly have the money I think instead what we see is something akin to what simon's suggesting which is A bunch of programming that is interview style. That's a lot like podcasting. Maybe in some ways some variety there But nothing that takes you know years of production and hundreds of millions of dollars Yeah, if you look at what they've done with music videos, uh with those itunes albums They have a very particular aesthetic to them. It's almost uh, uh Not a college radio because it's more polished than that But a but a kcrw like an experimental Uh Cutting edge radio aspect of it and that's what beats has sort of emulated as well They carried that through so the tv analog of that would be Something along the lines of what current tv tried to be And just couldn't make stick for long enough to stay on the air Maybe apple cam because it doesn't have to deal with distribution and ratings and they could just you know As long as they're selling apple tv's that's all they would care about and moreover you still have all the other content Hopefully that you're paying a subscription for if that's the model to go with or however We're going to get the other licensed movies tv shows and everything else So you're going to have the same sort of arrangement They'll just have this extra little piece and down the road. They make you know original content That's more series based or single movie based or whatever right You know they have the money to do it the question is do they have the Creative will to make it happen. Interesting idea. By the way dark redeemer called it. What's the word? Oh, I kind of like that too. I don't like that because it gets an extra w in there We we have arrived scott johnson daily tech news show has its own Person familiar with the matter. We've actually had a person familiar with the matter on on a backbone and networking issues before But we have another one. So the two two means you've arrived, right? A person familiar with the matter at neelson wrote us and asked to remain anonymous But explained that neelson as a ratings company has pulled away from putting their name on things So odds are you see reports with data from neelson in them more times than you realize For the us tv ratings data they pulled data already from phone use things like apps used videos watched PC samples websites visited video sites viewed if you ever remember hearing about neelson net ratings that that's the company that Started doing that that neelson acquired with tv sampling. The equipment is hardwired. He said it's not microphones No microphones are ever used the equipment pulls the timestamp and the network broadcast codes off of the audio streams Any pointed out other data projects induce homes that scan or include homes that they don't induce They include homes that scan groceries That they bring into the home along with other items they buy for the house He says the surveys are endless. They just they keep on coming So just less brand name. So now we know that neelson. I mean Whatever there's the data comes from so many sources now that They probably are okay to be in the background as long as all the you know, they're getting they're getting money for what they're doing And that's fine with me. I don't need to be like when we were young it was like neelson ratings That seemed like the giant stamp of approval Uh like the microsoft quality seal or whatever but now intel inside. We don't care anymore. We know we get it There's a chin there. It's making it run. We're fine and The thing that gets me about neelson when people criticize it There's lots of criticize about neelson. For instance, they bought arbitron and I never liked arbitron much when I was in radio But the thing about neelson is people say, oh, how can you tell anything from 5000 homes? You're insulting the entire profession of statistics when you say that you can tell a lot if you do it Right and what this guy's is saying is they do a lot more than just ray television And and they they're their main business is collecting reliable data And providing it to people willing to pay for reliable data and they wouldn't keep paying for if it wasn't somewhat reliable So as much as there is to criticize about neelson and believe me there is a lot especially in the tv ratings industry I think they become a bit of a punching bag Undeservedly so i'm glad that he wrote in and said hey We're also doing all this other stuff and we rate apps and we collect a lot more data than you think I've never heard a good outside the digital realm I've never heard anybody offer a solution for standard television tracking and that kind of data collection That's anything better than what nelson's always given us So I don't every time they have a complaint about them like all right Well, what would you do in the analog world and they don't have a good answer So it feels like it's kind of the best you can do with What we have we relied on neelson net ratings when I was at tech tv. That was our bread and butter, right? That was neelson garen wrote to point out that when we were talking about nintendo's partnership with amazon for buying digital copies of games Yesterday we did not mention that you can buy codes for digital downloads of games on amazon for playstation And xbox as well good point But the discussion got garen thinking since recent rumors have been that the nintendo nx might not have a disc ecosystem it might be discless garen writes Could this amazon story be nintendo testing the digital distribution waters as they may need to provide retailers with the means to sell Digital games in their next console cycle. Maybe it's a coincidence But I just thought it was slightly out of the blue for this to suddenly happen. I am a complete agreement with him I don't like to get conspiratorial. I'll call this more theory crafting here But nintendo's relationship has been rocky and and pokey with with amazon. There's a reason you can't buy Hardware there because a long time ago for those who may remember this and those who don't There was a big rift between the two companies. There were some problems with the ds lights cases a number of years ago and they were cracking and People were like well, I want my money back or I want a new one or whatever And nintendo was really slow to work with amazon to fulfill those replacements because of that They severed their ties and quit selling that hardware. You'd still get games and other stuff But no more hardware there and that's been true all the way up through the we and all the way up through the We you you just can't get on amazon so This to me supports the idea The big rumor that nintendo's nx will be a discless system or a cartridgeless system And it does make sense that the biggest online retailer in the world might want to get back in bed with nintendo on this And make that happen So I actually think garen is right on the money And this leads at the very least leads credence to the idea that the nx is Trying to be forward thinking about storage and not actually be a disc based system anymore No x No disc nx. Oh look at that I'm gonna call it no disc because discless can easily lead to trouble You said you pronounce that very carefully. I know very very carefully Uh scott writes different scott than this scott Last week the fda approved dexcom's continuous glucose monitor that can send glucose levels to a smartphone Where previously he was only able to send it to a separate device that was smartphone sized But couldn't do anything else but receive the data scott says as a type one diabetic myself who has recently been looking into a monitor like this The idea that I could eventually simply look at my wrist Like if this made it to smartwatch as he's saying and know exactly what my glucose level is would make a smartwatch an easy buy Well, it seems to me that this is just going to happen naturally because if it's approved to happen to an app Then apps can be made for phones. So right top skip and a jump. Yeah, you're there I mean, it's basically just a matter of a company saying we're making the app or not And that's a great use for a smartwatch that I would never have thought of. Thank you scott for writing in with that Mike forwarded us an email he got from roku announcing that they will no longer update software Or channels for the classic roku player the ones that were made before may 2011 Pour a little out for the old netflix the roku netflix player as it was once called They do offer owners of that classic player a 20 discount in that email Mike adds I knew it was coming, but it's sad. I bought my first roku in october of 2010 and it's still Working, I also own two other roku boxes roku is the only box I own that hasn't given me some kind of problem the fire tv's that I own I have to reboot every once in a while because I get weird lag and hitching I don't know what that's about no firmware updates have fixed it It kind of sucks because otherwise I think those are fine devices my apple tv is similar issues Especially with the hbo app just issues where it causing me to You know go out to the main menu So I I have to just give them credit on two fronts here one for being the most reliable of all these set tops I've had But that's a really good gesture They did not need to make for a five-year-old piece of hardware to give a 20 discount. That's actually kind of a huge customer Friendly thing to do and I I think hats off to roku for doing that I I was using the original roku player in our bedroom Until about six seven months ago. Yeah, I finally was like well I I want to have the new interface I think it was when sling tv came along and I couldn't get sling tv They didn't that one was not compatible with the original roku that I finally swapped it out But I still have it. I think I got mine in 2008. Yeah, they're sturdy. They're like, um, what do they like? They're like, uh doc martin shoes. You just never need another pair and now now we do Yeah And then finally a couple of more emails on the idea of setting off your device when I say it's trigger word on this podcast Joseph leblanc said I have a nexus 5 and I have activated the voice commands everywhere Which requires that you say The trigger word for google three times and now my phone knows my voice and tom cannot add things to my to-do list So he's suggesting for people who have this problem with this or other podcast You might want to look into that and then eric says he loves his moto x because he's never had accidental voice activation He writes voice activation even works in a cup holder with a car full of kids and music playing But only for me. I am able to interact with the phone while kids are being loud and stupid while changing songs Yeah, I'd heard the moto x was good at that, but it's interesting. I'm trying to imagine a case where I would want to say The keyword for google three times in a row. Mm-hmm. And I think that would get old after a while So I think pats off to him for it. Could he maybe just make it two times like Make it beetle juice. Oh, I just did it, didn't I? I don't know make it find out make it beetle juice feed back at daily tech news show dot com. Just don't make it Uh, who was the guy that shot bees out of his mouth? Don't make it candy man. You say that three times. We're all in trouble Uh, don't say it again. Don't say candy man again. Oh, no, that's twice. All right finishing up our what's the word? Wednesday Kind of like that Kirsten from hot and waiting for fall. Texas writes a few months back I purchased a pair of bluetooth headphones the plantronics backbeat fit They have an outstanding they have great battery life great for working out talking on the phone listening to music at my desk I could walk around and not physically be connected to a device and still listen to music and talk on the phone Or even listen to daily tech news show I recently started training for my first half marathon put these on to catch up on shows while running Your conversation with Veronica on monday made me think of this as she was talking about having to carry her phone on walks I use a flip belt for this and put my phone Which is a one plus one in that belt and then put my bluetooth headphones on And I was so excited when kirsten wrote this because I have this same pair of headphones And I love them. I could leave my phone plugged in in the bedroom and just walk around the house doing stuff Keep listening to podcasts listening to audiobooks. I take them when I run too. I'm I'm a philistine So I just put the phone in my pocket, but I don't get stuck I don't hit the cord sometimes and unplug it anymore or anything like that. It just got though the Wire free headphones. It's fantastic. My only quibble with the uh plan tronics backbeat fit is the volume doesn't go very high So I can't vacuum and use these and when i'm running if there's like a garbage truck or something I have to press pause because garbage trucks follow me around when I run something and a play and pause button right there on the Uh on the earpiece. It looks like that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's really easy Uh, and and you got a phone answering thing on one side play pause on the other works really well It tells you when it's connected or not. It has a little voice that says Headphones connected. Oh, that's very soothing. Yeah, this isn't bad Includes a mic as well looks like on their website one twenty nine ninety nine probably a little less on amazon or somewhere else I'm I'm in the market So this is interesting because I've yet to find a pair of bluetooth that sounded a good And I probably charge them once a week I run three or four times a week and then I use them walking around the house sometimes cooking and stuff like that Um, but you know, I I just use the same usb charger. I use for my nexus nine plug them in you know for Most of a morning maybe a couple hours and they're charged back up good for a week. I hear they are amazon 83 98 So a little bit cheaper there. I mean nice nice So a kirsten pick but also a tom pick and you can find the rest of my picks Uh at daily tech news show dot com slash picks or be like kirsten and send us a pick feedback at daily tech news show dot com I loved this show scott johnson. It was really fun I really like that a lot not only were these they're all they were almost all topics of their own That we could have gone on about definitely. Yeah, I always have the smartest listeners And I love the stuff that comes into the show I say it all the time smartest listeners and show business or would have podcast business whatever this is whatever this business is Yeah, give them the business. Well and give scott johnson the business head to frog pants dot com Check out the shows. What do you got going on these days? Oh, there's everything and all things all the shows are killing it and doing well and having a good time Spending a lot of time working on the my extra life dot com Compilation book a reminder to those who didn't uh or weren't around for the kickstarter or couldn't for some reason Many have asked will it be available after and the answer is yes We're getting real close to being finished with that thing. So very excited. 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Yeah huawei or the highway? Yeah, I mean we get that pretty much Never enough never enough Playing with There was doctor right out there and everybody took it Um push a button to barf your dog, which is just really specifically Interesting Right Yeah, that's just jango. I think so you're fine with them, but jango does not tolerate lots of things So that's uh those are the hot the hot movers. What's the word? Wednesday? You forgot that one Oh, well, I didn't know we named our shows after The things the events of the show We can I do it on headline day. That's true There's an I suggest I submitted it. That's that's why Well, okay, I mean it was dark redeemer's idea though Okay Well, I'll leave it to you guys to pick. I I support everything although. I am a fan of acer detect acer detect I like that one too. It's super But I like how tom hates to be about him, but I think it's good for me too I like that But the main topic of the show I want their new curve the gaming monitor though. I know that I think it's hot And if that's refresh rate on that new monitor is really good Oh, there's gonna be an x-wing emoji on twitter. Great. I need a breaking news thing Yeah There's a thing happening Oh, here's one. Why shouldn't copyright be infinite? Oh, geez What? I don't know. I think it's one of those titles that actually means it definitely shouldn't be I'm reading an article. Oh, no, I because I read an article titled that earlier today, which is all about Copyright reduces the impulse to do creative works the longer it gets Yeah Oh Yep There is there is going to need to be a debate About the purpose of copyright because I've actually had somebody from Germany Dispute the purpose of copyright And it seems like companies are starting to get more and more comfortable claiming that no copyright is meant to Ensure our business model And they're they're trying to make it and copyright has always been about protecting the you know the Encouraging making creative works And you get an entirely different kind of copyright law if that's its purpose versus the kind of copyright law We have now which is protecting a business model and ensuring royalties and some people You know, there's corporations, etc. Etc. But there's also people who just believe That you should you should protect the right of people to make money off of their intellectual property And that should be the underpinning of copyright. I disagree I think you should only you should only protect rights in a limited amount in a limited fashion And protecting copyright should be only done in order to make sure that the marketplace for creating works is Supported and only as much as it does that not not to ensure that any one person makes as much money as possible off their their creation I will debate you on that Okay, do it I mean, do you do you think that copyright should be made to encourage creative works? Or do you think that copyright should be made to encourage money? No, encourage creative works, but also find a way to protect The rights I don't believe that if it takes 30 years for a work to be appreciated that the author shouldn't make money off it So if there's a mechanism that that that's the other side though You're saying there should be copyright should ensure making money off of it And that's perfectly defensible I feel like What that's not saying copyright should encourage creative works. I feel like I love creative commons a lot Does that make sense? I love the ability if creative commons was an infinite license Then that would be fine with me because I can say I am fine with other people remixing and reusing And populating the create the creative arts But if some if it takes 30 years for a book I wrote to become a movie I want to get paid for that movie So you're on the other side for me. You're saying that copyright should ensure that I make money off of what I create You don't you don't agree that the only purpose of copyright is to encourage creation of works if movie studios were homes of creative Artists making small little pictures and my work was going to be used Just for the bare bones and not for making a huge profit for a movie studio and all the people who do it And everyone but me then sure But the you know, I feel like the world we live in right now I don't think that I'm trying to think of an example of a book that took 30 years to gain Or be rediscovered and then made into a movie. I feel like Uh It's on the tip of my tongue Oh, yeah, me too. Well, sure That that's that's just you making a good argument for why copyright should The purpose of copyright should be to protect the ability to make money off your work Yeah, I think I'm for that. Yeah, and I'm not I don't think I don't think anyone's right to make money off Anything in particular should be protected Except in in a natural way and I believe that copyright very narrowly should encourage the creation of works And that if we do that we will have more created works and that will be better for society And that my argument is the abuses you're afraid of Will go away or be severely lessened because those abuses are made possible By the current implementation that protects the ability to make money I think I agree with tom there. It's weirdly micro monopolistic The current way of looking at it and I think he's probably right you're basically arguing the market conditions will take care of her which is a common argument for a lot of Things like well, let the market decide but I actually think that's true in this case and a lot and it can sound a lot like hand waving and I totally I totally respect The other side of the argument Totally there it's just it's just a matter of priority We've had script sell in our household after 10 years And if it was a 10 year limit, we wouldn't have gotten any money for those scripts And I'm living off that money right now. So we are a hundred percent Creative arts funded family. There is no other place to go get the money in our household You're a beneficiary of the current system If there were a different system, there would be a different way for you to make money that might not my argument How Cause you to have to wait 10 years Example how well I got to publish the show so But but no the idea would be that there would be more studios to choose from You'd have more places to sell your work. People wouldn't want to wait for good works You would be able to take more control of your works and make them yourself And and really my argument you're saying you're arguing from a personal Let's take that part of my argument aside You're arguing from a personal benefit and my argument is from a social benefit So you're saying for me the current system is better because it protects my ability to make money and that's perfectly rational That's a good argument I'm saying I I don't think it's good for the world I think it causes fewer works to be created and that we need to have copyright law That encourages the creation of more works and we'll end up getting better works because of that So we're we're arguing for two different purposes But how about an amendment to the law that protects Just the commercial sale of things and allows much more leniency in the creative Repopulation Uh You can't I don't know that you can do both Why if someone you're basically saying I want there to be I want there to be more permissive copyright except for me Is what you're saying. No, I want uh if I wrote a book and That book took 15 years to be made into a movie I want money from the sale of that movie But if people wanted to write fanfic about a book I wrote or if they wanted to Um take the characters and bring them to life in some way like I'm okay with the creative already do that as the author of the work You can already assign those rights and that's what creative commons does So what you're saying is leave copyright exactly the way it is now And I will take advantage of creative commons to give people more permissions, right? I like that system and I think this current system is way broken Because you I think the fact that if and and again, we're opera or also arguing from two sides You keep saying 10 years 15 years, right? Right? Maybe that's the term copyright should be Right that that's a decision that needs to be analyzed and decided I'm saying 90 years plus the life of the author Is fair enough way too long that I actually when you have a problem that you can't use works because you don't know Who owns them or who has the copyrights? It's way too long. So to pull back on my side. I'm not saying there shouldn't be copyright I'm saying it should be the amount of time That seems to cause the most encouragement for people to create works and where I think we can meet is you're saying Look if copyright was only five years long I wouldn't want to write any scripts because they just it takes too long for him to get bought and that would never happen And so my my my Belief is that we need to decide what is that appropriate amount of time? Is it 10 years? Is it 15 years? Is it 20 years? What is the time that makes people say? Okay, it's worth me doing this because I own the copyright long enough to be able to capitalize on I that that is the argument that I'm making Um, I certainly don't think it should be what is it 90 years plus the life of the author. That's ridiculous Yeah, and so I I'm just phrasing it from the point of view of Let's make a term that causes the most works to create it. You're phrasing it from the point of view of I have a script I want to sell. Yeah, you're just a more individualized case study I'm a rent paying individual and wish to pay my rent off of creative output And sometimes that takes five years or more And what all I'm saying is if if that isn't of benefit to decide society You shouldn't be able to pay your rent off that But at the same time, I think it is a benefit to society and I think we can create a law that Encourages you to want to create that work in order to profit off of it for the benefit of society I think there I think there's a place where those Venn diagrams cross. I agree Well, we solved it then we have solved copyright. I'm actually just stealing all my ideas from Larry Lessig and Cory Doctorow and uh, Oh, I can't remember his name now. She how to fix copyright is the the uh, Tim Wu. No, it's not Tim Wu, although he's a good one too. Tim Wu is my new hero Because I'm in love with the book he wrote. Who was your old hero? Oh, I have so many heroes. William Patri is who I'm thinking of. Scott, you're a hero. Tom's a hero. Ellie's my hero. We're all heroes Roger can be a hero too when he gets on the right topic. Wouldn't Roger like to be a hero to be a hero? Can't believe you're making me call the show ACI. Wait, what topic? Hold on a minute. I feel like Eileen when I when I say something to her You have heroic self-awareness Roger Yes, Roger has heroic self-awareness. That's amazing. I have I have I have almost supernatural self-awareness. I just don't like people now That's the key Amazing it's like me going around saying I know speaky English. Oh god. I just do all sorts of weird crazy stuff Insulting racist disparaging It also makes me want to donut Donuts what sounds really good right now. I know right? I don't know. I think I'm just have a low blood sugar and I just need something I'm having a similar problem So I have to change all the margins of my book. I gotta go page by page on Feel your pain man. That is not how it is. You'll find out a formatting thing is weird. Yeah, damn it It hurts my heart. How about life, Tom? trailer No, I mean like How about the life of the author? Again, my my premise is whatever causes the most high quality works to be created if Protecting them for life makes the most people want to do it. Then that's the right term If 14 years is is create. It's the most high quality works. That's the right term The problem that is what I what I disagree with is I want to make money doing this So create a law that lets me do that. I don't think that's a valid Argument if it's hey if we have this law a lot of people who create these amazing things will get rewarded and make more of them I'm for that So The hard part is testing Yeah, the really smart people out there that can come up with models and say, all right Yeah, this is a good model for us to test or whatever But the best way to test it is a very time-consuming long Hey, let a guy live a lifetime before I figure it out Not not as much. I mean there've been a few studies done that just look at Copyright and and how it has profited under protection Certain works that have been gone out because because you used to be able to have things expire used to have to renew your copyright So there's studies that are done based on that time of like, okay, the things that were allowed to go out How did that affect the marketplace? So there's there's it's a little easier than maybe you'd think But nobody's doing it. My biggest problem isn't that like Oh, how do we study that if we if our conversation was about how do we study that I'd be thrilled I'd be like, oh, thank goodness. We now we're on to the actual problem But we're not even studying it because everyone's like, oh, no, we just want to keep it Where as mickey mouse stays copyright protected Dr. Payne brings up an excellent point about my point about making it for the life of the author Which is what if the author becomes immortal? Exactly that is a loophole Yeah, I watched lucy last night. That is a loophole. No eternal subsidies for immortal authors So wait, does that mean the bible gets like copyrighted then? Yeah Speaking of law way That was good Uh, okay This was a great post show. How far did you live from um, Chicago growing up? How far was that like five hours? Okay Four hours there and I was curious if she was anywhere near where you grew up. No, I'm an hour from st. Louis. So We never went to Chicago when I was a kid. I I never got to I was in college Oh, wow Just never a trip kind of place for everybody. Yeah, it's too far too far north Yeah, that makes sense too too far north You guys need to like set up an expedition Well back in the my day Roger Speaking of which are you guys watching documentary now? Uh It is the funniest most beautifully written show that I have watched in a while It's on IFC. It's bill hater seth mires and fred armisen Doing this incredible Like very high wire act of parody and satire and lovingly bonking documentaries It's you know, I didn't find it as funny as I was hoping I would From the initial did you watch the one of kanook of the norm? Yeah, that's the one I saw and I thought it was okay There were a lot of amazing acrobatics being done They mocked every single film convention that has ever been invented I understand that but like it's at the same time. I you know, I don't believe I mean, I don't know there's aspect. I don't I don't know what it is But I wasn't like, oh my god. This is like the most brilliant thing Tell you what this is an example where you are not my hero You know what, you know, jenny, I'm not the hero you want, but I'm the hero you need. Yeah It's very good comedic writing I'll put it that way So what I'm saying is scott. You should watch it. You should give it a go. It's all on um I know it's on IFC but it's on um My wife for my birthday got me a year subscription to dock club, which is like the big sundance Oh, cool And I think they're putting them on there. I haven't sure probably. Yeah Some huge documentary fans. It's so funny They don't they riff on that? Um, there's a really famous one where the sisters of some gardens. They riff on That's it. Great garden. It takes a turn. Whoo So I would watch it All right, I'm in right and that brings us to the end of our broadcast day. There you go Copyright documentaries and roger. 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