 We'll call the 21st regular meeting of the common council order. So would you call the roll, please? Bowman Berg Serda Graf Kittleson Lauchs Manny excused Montemay or Perez Rinflaich excused Segali Stefan van Akron van der Wiel and Warner here 13 present Corms present Alderman Warner. I thank your honor move the minutes of the last common council meeting be approved And at the same stand is entered on the record It's been moved in a second that minutes of previous council meeting be approved under discussion Here you none all in favor posed motion carry Alderman van der Wiel, would you lead us in a pledge, please? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Hereby Smith the following appointment for your consideration William Langerman to be considered for appointment to the Historic Preservation Commission to fill the unexpired term of Richard Lundin whose term expires 430 06 signed by the mayor That will lie over Oh that can be confirmed. Okay All in order I thank your honor that I move the mayor saw appointments be confirmed Is there any discussion? Hearing none all in favor posed motion carry Public form first would be John Burner Would you like to give me your home address, please? 1919 Broadway And you have five minutes okay? Want to talk the last time and it was about the taser guns, and I Don't know if you were watching the news last week, but in Texas. They had a high school basketball game Got out of hand with her really fighting in there They subdued the people with taser guns with no incidents and Kind of showing people that are against this that They do work Not everything is a hundred percent perfect And for the police department, I know you were talking about the police department getting them for everybody But they have to Had to be like giving the library To computers leave one in the box when the other ones broke take it out It it's something that's needed it's something that's needed The help in the prevention without other injury due to the spray for the clubs Or taking out a pistol so it doesn't work there are going to be incident Incidents you know where people are going to get injured in the fall or something and One or two other person said something about a class action suit You know many class action suits are in the United States today. I bet if you go on your internet It's the Welling in this trade they have a class action suit. I used to be a welder It's just people In a medical field class action suits so everybody's being sued just to say that there is a class action suit doesn't Mean that it's you know bad. I think it's until something better comes along. I think that is the best Piece of police could happen. I mean you've got they have a canine unit What if a dog gets out of control and I mean dog and tear somebody apart just as fast as a bullet so That's what I want to say the last time So I hope the city does get some money and give the police So they each have one not that somebody has to borrow one every day. I Thank you Thank you short one. How do you like this? Masquerading as a highly educated businessman Next we have Jason Shane Jason, can I have your home address, please? Yeah, and you will have five minutes. Okay, I just wanted to talk about the incinerator site that they're gonna tear down I wanted to talk about the wild animals in there There's quite a few in there and I wanted to know if they had any plans on Taking it down and doing anything with the animals They're in there And if they do I would like to be notified to see if I could help on anything like that That's really all I have Just wanted to vice-mayor opinion on it and see what we could do with that Okay Before we get into the consent agenda, I think everyone has a slip on their desk about the American Association of University women and their present Then educational form on a topic of Tabor That will be Wednesday, February 9th 2005 6 30 to 8 o'clock at Sheboygan Falls High School auditorium So if anyone's interested in going Please let them know all them in order. I Think your honor I Guess that issue about Tabor something we should all consider trying to attend on Wednesday pretty pretty interesting There's a couple of things I just wanted to share with the public and with the council at this time There's been a lot of discussions over the past few months And some unfounded speculation regarding the soil conditions at the location of the city's new police station And as we all know Donna human associate associates was hired to do Preliminary preliminary soil soil borings on the site. They did 10 geoprobe soil borings were done and the results are now complete I'd like to read the conclusion page included with their scientific findings It says a review of historical maps indicates that the site was reserved for use as a public square and parking dating back at least 1875 and park dating back to at least 1875 Mature trees were present in the park on a postcard dated 1909 Indicating that the topography had not been altered in the recent pre 1909 past If the existing topography is different than the pre-settlement topography The changes were likely made during construction of the adjacent streets prior to 1875 Soil borings revealed a four to six foot thick layer of light brown sand Underlain by native silty clay to depths ranging from eight to sixteen feet No indication of dumping rubbish rubble or foundry sand was found in the soil samples Donna human associate and court incorporated has appreciated the opportunity to assist the city of Sheboygan with this project And if you have any questions there ask that we contact them So the report on that is back and I believe it was sent to Tom And along with that I Received a letter from mr. John C. Sabinoff which is being referred to the council and John Sabinoff is a vice-president vice-president principle of the Zimmerman design group and this letter is in regard to the findings of Donna He was associates Also addressing some other issues raised regarding the site where we will build our new police station for the public's knowledge I would like to share this what he had to say He addressed it to myself and said it was so good to speak with you regarding the project We anticipate starting in earnest after our kickoff meeting on February 15th And our anxious anxious to begin to design this exciting project We are pleased to carry this mantle for the city and understand the responsibilities incumbent upon our team We understand the results of the preliminary soil investigation championed by Donahue and associates have been favorable to date Resulting in no fiscal impact due to organic or other built deleterious film materials There is now a higher likelihood that the foundation can be designed in a conventional fashion This outcome is important since cost related to unfavorable foundation design is rarely returned in an economical fashion Rather disproportion foundation costs would have been a premium cost that we do not apparently need to bear We advise continued caution as the design progresses and more information becomes available But we are now even more optimistic and we acknowledge the diligence of the city engineering staff in previous work as well as this process to date Although ZDG was not party to the site selection effort We see no protocols that would lead us to believe this site is anything but viable for police operations Or shared functions both in a long and short term There will be challenges to address related to scale and position of the facility But we believe the site holds opportunities for us to mesh a new civic function into the existing park ZDG is prepared to address those issues and fulfill a vision for a beautiful park building that houses Police department functions sensibly and appropriately Lastly ZDG is aware that a number of citizens and their representatives are concerned with the nature of shared services in this facility ZDG will address those concerns in the planning process to leave the door open for those functions within the design both now and in the future Clearly those opportunities have not been fully identified But ZDG will work with staff to define those locations Where combined services make sense and where prudent planning allows the opportunity to pre-invest or plan for their inclusion in the future I guess I just hope that this helps those with concerns Understand that the decisions we have made our sound The Zimmerman design group is an outstanding leader in its field Their experience and professional standing in their peer group is second to none And they are the best of the best and will design a functional police station that will meet Shibuygan's needs far into the future Thank you Thank you all of them Thank You mr. Mayor Alderman Werner. I it's wonderful that That this letter from Zimmerman was included in our packet. I appreciate that very much Could we also as council members get a copy of that Donahue and associate soil information? To Tom Holton. I was allowing him to bring that into the council rather than a copy was sent to the mayor and myself and the Police chief, but I was directed at Tom. So that will come into them. Okay, but we can have coffee We talked to you about getting a copy, but that would be the only way you're not gonna give a copy to all of us If you would like it, we'll get you one. Oh, it is a lot of pages spot. This is a That's it. Okay. I'll come in and pay for my own copy. Thank you Okay, hold on. There's nothing else consent agenda. Alderman Werner. I'm not your honor I move that all of us be accepted and placed on file all our C's be accepted adopted all resolutions substitute resolutions and ordinances be passed We have motion a second before us that all our O's be accepted and file our C's be accepted and adopted resolutions In ordinance be put upon your passage and ask 21 1 through 21 22 You'll notice on 23 21 23 that we will hold That'll be held over Okay, is there any discussion on 21 1 through 21 22? Not what you call the roll Bowman Berg Serta graph Kittleson Lauchs Montemayor Perez Segali Stefan Van Akron Vanderweel and Warner All right, 13 eyes motion carry 21 24 through 21 39 to be referred Alderman Press. Thank you mayor. Just wanted to ask about 21 31 There seems to be a lot of talk about the ethanol plant and I haven't and all of them haven't seen anything Is there anything out there that all of it could be looking at now? You will get a presentation a short presentation tonight some of our staff went and Over to Oshkosh today and spoke with Utica and one of the alderman alderman Kettleson went along Okay, and they're going to let us know what they found out And then we are trying to schedule some public meetings up here on that once we can get them to come over here Thank you Okay 21 40 by Alderman graph authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2005 budget Alderman graph Thank you, your honor We have a motion a second before us that the resolution be put upon its passage Any discussion? Hearing none, you call the roll burg Serta graph I Kittleson laux Montemayor Perez So golly Stefan then Akron The under wheel and Warner and Bowman 12 eyes 1 no 2141 we'll lie over 2142 through 45 to be referred 2146 the evening can be accepted and adopted Special Marina committee Dennis Jim You know I would move that the RC be accepted and adopted Moved in second at RC be accepted and adopted under discussion Hearing none all in favor hi post motion carried 2147 also accept and adopt and that's by law and licensing recommending I am beverage operators license 6662 based on applicants failure to cooperate with the committee and her failure to reveal all violations Alderman Manny is not Alderman Van der Waal I'll move to accept and adopt the report of committee We have a motion in a second before us on your discussion Steve excuse me, sir We ask if Under discussion I asked if the It would be Christine trying if Christine is here She's not okay. There's no other discussion when you call her old please Serta graph Kittleson laux Montemay or Perez Segali Stefan van der Akron van der wheel hi Warner Bowman and Berg 13 eyes motion carried 2148 will be referred to building use committee 2149 by law and licensing recommending accepting the withdrawal of beverage operators license application 1553 at the applicants request Alderman Van der Waal I'll move to accept and adopt the report of committee We have a motion in a second before us. Is there any discussion hearing none what you called her old graph Kittleson laux Montemay or Perez Segali Stefan Van Akron van der wheel Warner Bowman Berg Serta 13 eyes motion carried 2150 by public works recommending proceeding with the demolition orders for the shabuigan incinerator Alderman ballman public works. Thank you, your honor. It moved to accept and adopt the report of committee We have a motion a second before us under discussion Alderman prose Thank You mayor. Just wanted to explain why I'm going to vote against this particularly reporter committee. I had the privilege of visiting the incinerator myself and While I concluded from my visit that perhaps the incinerator does need to be dealt with I felt that It was not high on the priority list for us to spend three hundred thousand dollars around that amount At this time where when we're so tight for funds That to me translates to several jobs in the public works department or other Capital improvement projects that we need most in my mind anyway For example streets and so forth that is why I also voted against the appropriate appropriation Funds from the general fund in a fund transfer to the capital project for the incinerator. Thank you. Thank you Holloman spell Thank you, your honor. Could we please hear from Tom Holton concerning the reasons why it should be Destroyed at this time Thank you Thank you. The incinerator has been the capital improvements Lists have submitted probably five or six years to tear down some liability Some people went through there. There's holes on the floor It's it's absolutely filthy in there from animals It's a matter of time for someone gets in or gets hurt and it'll never be any cheaper to take it down The price has been going up for demolition right now steel Scraps deals up that's going to help reduce the cost because a lot of steel in that building and We need the space need room to store salt for ruining the service building where assaults being stored right now We cannot store our full allotments. We end up paying rent on the docks Milwaukee But I believe it's 20 cents a ton a month. We pay for rent if you don't use up our full salt allotment for the year Departments strongly feels it needs to come down but their productive use Tom is there any chance of sharing any story to at the county on this sure We exchange salt back and forth when we when we're low we get salt from them When they're low, they'll borrow salt from us. It sure there is so good shared service. Yes, I think we don't okay Alderman Vanderwill you have a question Thank you, honor I just want to say when I was approached by a business owner in my district who wanted to buy the old incinerator I wanted to investigate that possibility and be positive. We were doing that. What was best for the city time? You can sit down if you want I Thank the council for giving me that time because I was sick at that time When we voted on it But I'll remember one or and I toured the incinerator and looked over the property that was connected to it If we would sell mr. Weston that property that he wants it would cost the city more to relocate buildings Then he is willing to pay with relocating the storage buildings We would most likely have to purchase property to put them on and the city would still need to purchase a much needed sultry Businessmen are always coming forward that want to buy the incinerator if it was worth buying someone would have done it years ago From what I have seen it is obvious that the incinerator needs to come down If we leave it as it is the bed ill the building has the potential of housing a local catastrophe We just can't let that happen. It reminds me of somewhere that a serial killer would hang. Oh, thank you Okay Thank you your honor The main true motivation behind this demolition is again the Tom had you would bring up the liability issue I'm just surprised that that's not really being enforced I think we're fortunate as the city taxpayers Because it's like putting money into old wine skins if it's a liability issue The insurance could mandate us to get that building up to code which why would we want to put money into again old wine skins? I think it's important that in the time is right and it will only the cost and tearing it down We'll only increase if we put it off any longer. Thank you Alderman Warner I think I do have one question for Tom and then just a couple of comments Tom You mentioned something that if The company that takes it down if they get any proceeds from steel and things in there will that lower our cost sure It goes and it goes out for bid and they'll they'll go through and they'll calculate how much deals in that building They'll reduce that off their demo price of that scrap that it has we do realize that benefit from it So we could save I don't know 25 50,000 maybe you think that much I couldn't tell you It's harder to tell until someone gets in you don't know how much deals in that concrete So if the bids are too high we could say well, we're not interested in sure we can't yeah We don't have to go for a bit. We don't have to accept a bit if we feel it's unreasonable Okay It is as all the Alderman Vander wheelie stated him and I did get through that building and we had Tom along and deputy David and I was just amazed The vandalism that's been in all the windows are broke Not only is the ceiling falling down a concrete dropping on things But there have been kids young people in their plane There's there's graffiti on the walls. There's somebody was using the toilets for Lord knows what there's Animal tracks all over there's pigeon droppings that you could scrape up with one of these cold shovels I mean it's talking or talking to an inch deep in some areas and it's brought out over 20 30 Foot diameter circles We're lucky at this point That no one has been injured in there or that somebody didn't go in there just to look at the place and find a body Because even walking on the floor when I got home I had to take off my boots and dig out the little pieces of glass that were in there. I Shouldn't have probably worn rubber-soled boots. I should have had steel-soled boots or something to walk through there But the place really needs to be taken care of you always want to look at the possibility of selling something and getting it back On a tax rolls But you have to realize that if you put a factory in there Now you're putting a factory right next to a residential area that used to be an incinerator And I don't think the impact from public works functioning there which the residents are used to is going to be anything close to what a factory would be if you put it in there and Salt shed I've learned from my experience is probably going to cost us $300,000 to build if we had to build one That would take all of our salt So I think it's probably a wise thing nobody likes spending money like this at this time But I think if we had an accident in there if you don't believe it go in there and look Someone could be injured very easily There's even one place up there where you could actually be walking along and if you weren't paying attention it was dark You'd slide down this shoot about 30 feet and land on concrete down below and you would never even know it It's right by a like a concrete railing If Tom weren't warned us about it we'd have turned around we'd have probably slid down the shoot I actually did slip on the stairs going up. I mean, there's there's animals or birds There's everything and it's probably in the city's best interest to take it down Thank you all of them and sir Thank you on our last question. Is there any do we pay for any types of services to maintain that building at status quo? And if we do again, this would be cost savings just to eliminate some needless cost The only thing we have an electric service in there is to keep a couple of lights on a lower level I don't think the budget's more two or three hundred dollars on it right now. Thank you, Tom No other discussion. No, we don't need a roll on this But we should let's show a roll. Yeah Go ahead Kittleson Loeks Montemay or Perez Segali Stefan Ben Akron Vanderwheel Warner Bowman Berg Serda and graph 12 eyes one no motion carries 1251 by finance recommending entering to a contract with Peragon software international ink for the development of the municipal court model module For the city's current crime system software all of them Warner. No, excuse me all of them grow Thank you, your honor 2151 Yeah Okay, I would move that the RC be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion a second before us under discussion Yeah under discussion on all of them and Warner was at our meeting and I believe he said something about the the finalized contract would be Completed by this time or is there a finalized contract? Okay, and was there any other discussion regarding the The other county or the other entities that are going to be in this with us The other entities that are going to be contributing to this the city budgeted $20,000 for this the contract is for $17,000 And that's I didn't bring that with me, but it is it's It's a contract for $17,000 to do the work And I think Steve can attest to that and that was what he sent us in what we accepted But the other communities that are going to be involved in this They will pay a share in a percentage based on what their use is expected to be The one that's going to join probably immediately What I'm saying is because until they actually do we don't have nothing the city would have to bear the cost itself The $17,000 but until they come forward and we get the software running is when they would join and they pay a set fee And I'm not sure Bob if you know what those numbers are off hand on this or rich It was almost half of the cost Contract be about $17,000 and then half the money would be paid for by the other entities half 17 The city's fronting the cost to its budget and when these people join into this crime software system That's when they would pay And the interest is there are they going to sign it before the softwares there at all But the city would bear the cost anyway because it's saving us an entire person Basically a whole position so One more time how many other entities the city of Plymouth is very interested in fact the police chief in the city of Plymouth said It's not a problem for them. They'll gladly Pay their share so other than that you've taken a man as word like that But it doesn't matter because we would bear the entire cost of this software otherwise, so once the software is up and running They they're paying somebody right now to re-enter all this information And when this crime software is up and running those that person's workloads probably going to be cut in half It's pretty important It allows this is the first building block in the creation of the admissible court and it's very important in getting the court in place The software is a module of the now shared city county crime software system that we have This is a module of that system that is a shared service across the county in every part of the of the county uses it This is going to use data from that shared service, which is our crime reporting software and Imported into the modules. That's for the court software. So that Clerk typist that's going to be entering this in a court Won't have to enter that much information, which is the bulk of the information The city of Plymouth will share in the costs as will the village of Kohler the city of Sheboygan Falls when their municipal courts go live The city of Plymouth's court is is live at this time and and functioning. They're using a different software That isn't tied into what's a our existing database They ask 300 that the city has runs the county and the city's crime software for the police department and and a sheriff department And this is an extension of that shared service that the other communities will all be able to share with us so our pro forma budget did budget this is part of the cost that's already been approved and This is something that when it moves forward will be a great help to the city. Thank you March Thank you your honor Deputy chief if you could just explain to the people one more time since we're putting it in this into passage just exactly what? The software is going to do for you Well, my understanding of the software. I think somebody really from IS department should address this I'm not really an authority on it, but my understanding is this is a software package To work with our municipal court process was budgeted prior to this date to pay for it and We've Speaking with the other entities and more or less agreed that they would pick up half the cost when and if they come on board Like all of them were stated so it's a It's a necessary part of this function to make it work properly Let's see Thank you mayor. Just a couple comments It's been very helpful. We've had Kohler and representatives from Shboygan Falls and especially representatives from the city of Plymouth in meeting with the Paragon software as far as You know, they're the module as to what to put into it Plymouth has been operating a municipal court for a year They've got a current software package that they they don't like and they've been real helpful in that They're up and running and they know basically the forms that are necessary there are state forms that are required and it's been real helpful to have them to as a resource and and aid and meeting with Paragon to give some guidance to Mr. Poad as to what needs to go into the module One thing council should be aware of that's different than what came out of the study committee was Originally the IS department had been told by Paragon that it once they got to go ahead they estimated three months to do the to do the software and The committee the study committee felt that's in the report that it's important to have the software Available before you start the municipal court So that you're not starting with you know One software program and then converting to another Unfortunately in the We haven't finalized the contract yet, but at least in the The written proposal that Paragon's put forth they're estimating to take four to six months to complete the software package so I Still think it's important that that software package be in place before operating the court So you're likely to if it does take four to six months You may not be up and running by by June or July as originally anticipated I personally don't think that that's a particular problem. It's not like we don't have a court system in place currently You know we we've got circuit court. It's working fine the whole issue has been You know there have been a couple Strong issues as to why to convert to a municipal court, but there's nothing pressing that it has to be done X Date or X time. So I think it should be done When it's ready to go at the right time and not before then but that's Counsel needs to be aware of that because that was not what was in the report of the committee All of an order I think in fairness the deputy chief was he really wasn't part of the municipal court committee So I mean he knew just a basic so he doesn't have all the answers in there Think about what Steve's talking about to refresh my memory also And we did talk about that and we had a goal at first of June 1st And we move that back to July 1st thinking that might be it But to get the software in line when we put that pro forma budget together that was based on 12 months starting from anywhere February 1st to February 1st March 1st to March 1st July to July We put it together based on what the cost would be and rich can attest to that. It was one of those budgets We didn't say it had to be January 1st of of 2003 to January 1st of 2004 it was put together so that it would it would function as a month-to-month budget any 12 month period so That's still gonna still gonna happen But the software may take a couple months longer and I think it's important that we get it started It's already been you know, we wanted to have this approved before the end of the year so they could get started February 1 and It's already taking longer now And it could actually be done in the three to four months originally planned for it Any way you look at it It's it's important to the function of that court and to the Perform a budget that we put together that's a software get done first and we get the clerk on so the clerk can learn it Thank you all under Thank you your honor In finances was not a unanimous decision as far as seven years forward And I will not support it tonight basically because of what Attorney McLean had said where this is the first step that we have As far as establishing this municipal court we we already do have the circuit court that seems to be working fine and This is basically what I think is creating a new department And we have documents later that that actually do that and set up a budget and so forth for that And then this also I don't think at this particular time is fiscally responsible for us to do I Just another discussion Would you call the roll, please? Locke's sorry, Gary Montemayor Perez Segali Stefan van Akron Vanderweel Warner Bowman Berg Serta graph Kittleson ten eyes and three nose motion carries 2152 through 2154 will lie over 2155 through 57 to be referred 2040 by Alderman Warner Vanderweel Segali Rainflesh and Serta relating to no parking period so as to include the east side of South 18th Street from a point 150 feet north of the north curb line of meat Avenue to a point of 40 feet north thereof Alderman Warner, I think your honor move the general ordinance to put upon its passage We have motion a second before us under discussion under discussion your honor This is at the south 18th Street fire station area from meat Avenue That is to the north of meat Avenue on 18th Street This adds a small 40-foot section of the east side of South 18th Street To the no parking regulations the fire department needs us to open up the vision and maneuvering air maneuvering area at South 18th Street And I think this will make it safer for them to operate there a lot of cars have been parking up there And it just makes it more difficult that first hundred and fifty feet will still be open to parking So this is taking a small section out of there Thank you all of them Serta. Thank you your honor I just want to mention to that this is my district district six and that we did ask in the committee that there Would be a letter sent out to the apartment complex which the individuals who would be affected by this? Thank you There's another discussion would you call the roll please Montemay or Perez Segali Stefan van Akron Vander wheel Warner Bowman Berg Serta graph Kittleson and Locke's 13 eyes motion carried 2159 goes to finance 2160 we'll go to city plan commission There is no 2161 2162 a resolution by Alderman van Akron and Perez directing a public hearing to be held in connection with the change of zoning for property located at 802 Blue Harbor Drive Alderman And Akron We have a motion to second before us under discussion hearing none all in favor opposed Motion carried 2163 we'll go to plan commission Steve other matters 2164 is communication from the Zimmerman design group regarding the sport and police department building design building use 2165 is communication from Salvation Army requesting permission from the city to test the paint on the exterior of the building located at 1116 Euron Avenue currently known as Shepoigen child care center for lead public works 2166 is a communication from attorney Anthony racemius of roadie dales requesting the withdrawal of the application for rezoning for a 1331 Alabama Avenue as the property was sold on February 1 2005 city plan 2167 is a communication from Hans Croft chairman of the 2005 Bratz leukemia cup regatta Requesting permission to close down Pennsylvania Avenue from Broughton Drive East during their event on July 29th through the 31st public protection safety 2168 as a resolution authorizing the appointment of a commission to examine and promote the expansion of intergovernmental cooperation for the purpose of Stabilizing local tax rates while promoting a higher standard of living and economic development that will lie over Now before we adjourn Paulette or Tom, would you Give us a little Information on how it went at Utica today. Good evening City staff along with Alderperson Kittleson, and I think the Newspaper was present as lying as well as a radio station And what we did was we spent about two and a half hours with company officials both Utica and Cargill We toured their existing ash cash facility, and then we met together said city staff along with Company officials and talked about what they are proposing in Sheboygan and they stress that they're in the conceptual stages And they really don't have anything to present to the city yet They they're estimating about a 30 million dollar investment in Sheboygan They would employ approximately 30 to 35 people and They're willing to answer any type of questions that in anyone would have and I do have the contact The names for both companies So if you you know if anyone would like that please feel free to give me a call and I'll give those to you We did ask a couple questions Why Sheboygan and why not just add on to their existing? facility in the ash cash area What what they mentioned was that the existing infrastructure exists? They do not want to abandon this facility in Sheboygan and they have and rail access is present So not only will that help them it'll also help other businesses in Sheboygan to keep rail access in that area If approved expected to be up and running. I think it was September of 2006 And their next steps would be they would move on from the conceptual stage and then submit plans to the city So that we could determine whether or not the zoning is appropriate And if not, they'd have to go through some type of a you know rezoning process with the city Paulette were they agreeable to come to Sheboygan to have a meeting here and Talk to the citizens and also to all the persons. Well, my understanding was that I mean they did stress It's in the conceptual stages But that they were willing to answer any kind of questions and they want to be good neighbors Good because there are a lot of questions out there that need to be addressed and we did mention that And they tried to answer as many as what they could Based on the fact that it's a conceptual plan Alderman Kettleson you went along. Is there anything you want to add? As Paulette said It was very interesting. We learned a lot today the the facility is out in the It's in a rural area and of course we would be putting it in our residential area so that that is a concern and There are think I think there are a lot of questions yet to yet to be answered I think they were very willing to to come to us. I think they are people of integrity They they do want the best for us also, but We do there are a lot of questions and I think I think we have to put the pluses in one column and the minuses in the other and I lot to be weighed out yet Before we would come to any agreement as to what would what would be the best workable most workable situation for us Thank you Anyone have any questions Yeah, I'll just mention one more thing that we did and we brought up some of the issues about You know is it is there some type of a risk for explosion or flame? You know is it flammable is it's you know, they have to realize that they're in an urban setting versus a rural setting smell Noise and all of you know I think a lot of the issues that have been brought up by the public and by the you know the council and by Some of the city employees and they tried to answer some of those questions as best as they could but it was Said somewhat difficult without really knowing what the plan is yet The other thing also mayor is that it's hard for them to make any judgment based on Even another facility because there isn't another facility That will be put into a residential area So we had there was not a good comparison as I felt because they are out in the rural setting We don't know what will what will occur once it comes in into a residential area And they don't have anything to compare that to so that was Comparatively in our state are you speaking or across United States? I mean there are some in rural areas I'm understanding in older cities, but those are older facilities But they're saying this is state of the art and the state of their facilities right now We're in rural settings and that in urban settings But we did mention that all of these questions are going to come up and they need to be prepared to answer them. Okay, very good. Thank you All of them in very good. Thank you your honor. I Have right here a lot of information on Ethan all Plants releasing toxins the EPA reports here and if you anybody wants to see The web You can get it from me. I'll give it to you or I can give it to the clerk and Anybody wants to get that address you go on the Internet and get all the information you want it shows the different settings The rural settings and what happens it inside the city, especially st. Paul, Minnesota Where they had a lot of problems Okay, thank you We have motion to second before us. Is there any discussion anything none all in favor And they have to wait months and months for per visit