 I'd like to call the 10th meeting of the 2013-14 common council to order Could the clerk please read the quote for the day. Thank you mayor Being able to move forward in life is a true test of a person's maturity level and a true test of the confidence that they have within themselves Thank you Please call the roll 12 present Alderman Dassler Donahue Lassard are excused Alderman van Akron is not excused Please stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance Agents to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Next item is the approval of the minutes from our last meeting Alderman Hammond Thank you, mr. Mary moved to approve the minutes of the previous council meeting It's been moved and seconded to approve the minutes from the last council meeting. Is there any discussion? See none will the clerk. Please call the roll 12 eyes There are no resignations or council appointments this evening so we'll Go on to the public forum Okay, this evening. We have two speakers First on the list would be Richard white Would you please come on up to the front here right up to the podium here and Richard can you give me your home address, please? 1627 in the anna heaven, okay, and you will have five minutes, sir What was that you will have five minutes, so you may go ahead okay, okay, I'm Richard white and I've been in Sheboygan for just about all my life and I've got a shop on 17th in Indiana. I Was in the rug cleaning bed rug and furniture cleaning business for since Well, I've been there since 2005 I mean Well anyway 1959 I think is the year that I built my shop and Had the grand opening see So anyway, I've been in the rug cleaning business and furniture cleaning business and then I branched out into the trucking business I was on the road for about 16 years trucking all over home all in a good cheese from Wisconsin to all over and Anyway at I ended at about 19 2004 So for the last 10 years not for nine years. I've been Doing my other thing that was repairing cars Because I was the trucking business I repaired all my trucks and stuff and so then I went into fixing cars and so Anyway, I Everybody comes to me. I don't have a sign up that I fixed cars, but I do it at a reasonable rate and Everybody knows where to find me and comes over and I take of their take care of their body work or changing engines or rear ends or whatever, you know but anyway, so this Reverend Reese came to me and wanted me to Fix a Mercedes Benz, you know, I said, I don't know much about a Mercedes Benz, but we can figure it out. So Anyway, I put in he wanted to get brought all the parts there. So I First of all, my helper and I we went goats and I put in all new spark plugs and wires and Coils and everything in the overhead, you know, it's kind of different. It's kind of a different engine than the usual one see it's all We did that and then we I was supposed to call him on Thursday to see if because he only wanted to spend a hundred and fifty dollars I said, well That's that they ain't gonna go very far because this year he brought me a 1996 Mercedes Benz and that was pretty well beat up. I mean So beside that, you know Defenders were a bit beat up the door was beat up and there was no mirrors on it and it was kind of bad shape And I don't know maybe you wanted miracles. So anyway with my partner and I we put in all new plugs and wires and coils and the overhead and stuff and And we had a fender there and so like He would he only want to spend 150 bucks. Well, I came to a hundred dollars just over putting the overhead on that engine in so anyway We Got that done I called them and see if he wanted something else done and well He didn't answer as well. This thing needs a lot of work. So I better go and start fixing the rest of this car so we started Taking that old Left-front fender off was all bent. So we took that off and put a new Paint painted it and then put it on then we fixed up that side of the car and We did a bunch of other stuff and I've got the bill here for I think we work about three days on it and the bill came to $446, you know, oh He ain't gonna pay that he says I told you I want to spend 150 dollars Well, I suppose he needs more than 150 dollars worth of work, you know, so anyway that was in The fourth month which was Jennifer month April, you know that he brought it brought it there. So anyway He didn't want to pay it. So he left and so the car sat there from April till Last week Wednesday and all of a sudden my other body man was working in the shop and I was Up in front and all of a sudden I must have told the dog took an evening afternoon break, you know I'm all of a sudden I said what happened to the Mercedes. Oh, I don't know No one's seen it even go. Well, anyway, make a long story short the Mercedes Left Richard so your five minutes are up. Would you like an extra one minute? Okay, so anyway So anyway, I says well, I went I called the police department to see what they could do about it Well, this is where they couldn't do nothing, you know, I don't like a peace department The guy stole his car right out of my yard, you know, and he didn't pay the bill. He was $444, I don't know. He's but he's a minister. He figures Maybe he don't have to pay or something. So Anyway, here I sit. I'm out for $444 worth of labor and I just thought of there's something that The police or someone should be able to keep everybody in line and pay their bills, you know So that's that's my story anyway Okay, okay. Thank you. I don't know if you can do anything about it, but you know, that's I Call the police department and they wouldn't They wouldn't touch it, you know, so I Don't know if there's something else that can be done, but I'd I Hide a lawyer it cost me more than that for $44. That's the problem Thank you. Your time is up Thank You Richard All right. Next on the list is Chad Starkey Chad if you could come up Chad can I get your home address, please 1423 in Michigan Avenue? Okay, and you will have five minutes Okay, this is becoming a real nuisance now Right on the corner of 14th to Michigan. There was a very bad accident Four cars got involved Enough is enough. There's kids that play over there. There's elderly people that try across the street I don't think it's fair to the elderly or anybody else That we have to live in this dangerous condition if you want to cross Michigan It's not fair that you have to walk down the area or walk up to superior to come back to Michigan If you got your sights gone going down Michigan, you shouldn't have to divert from that This is not safe. This is very very scary Takes person 20 30 minutes to cross traffic over there From area to superior Then Michigan is uncontrolled Well, you know getting here tonight. I almost got hit. I Shouldn't have to put my life on the line Just for a driver We are all our big people. We're supposed to follow the rules of the road We should not have to fear for our lives this way. I grew up in Milwaukee and I moved out here because it's a lot simpler a lot easier out here If I want to raise my son in a bad environment, I'll take him back down in Milwaukee. I shouldn't have to I Want something done about this My wife read it the other night on the press That's gonna cost an obscene amount of money to put a four-way litter intersection up For and then to do a study on it. Well, we took the lights out on semen. Let's divert that over to Michigan You know, we could put a sensor in there where it's wait censored Where if the cars come up to Michigan either going up Michigan or down Michigan? The lights would change and that would be easier on traffic. So in effect, there would be no more accidents There's a lot of businesses around in that area. There's a lot of elderly people my neighbor is 96 years old She's got dementia How would any of you feel if that was your mother your grandmother walked across the street and she got hit? It's a little unsettling it is To be able to live in a town like Sheboygan and still be fearful for your life Enough is enough. This has got to get done. I saw two people carried away on a stretcher. They learned like while their kids are crying Think about the trauma that's gonna be brought upon those kids You know those kids are going to go through a lot of cycle psychological help. Oh I saw mommy and daddy on a gurney What's that saying anybody else anybody else in this room your life could be online going up and out 14 is trying to cross Michigan This is enough It needs to get done It needs to get done soon. Thank you Chad. Thank you Next we'll move on to Mayor's comments I'd like to let everybody know that at our next council meeting we'll be conducting a water utility election for a new member of their board Any of the citizens who are interested in and serving on the water utility. We just need to have a letter of Interest sent either to council president Don Hammond or to clerk Sue Richards In in July rather in June from the 8th to the 14th We celebrated bike and walk to work week and as there was a competition between the city and county employees And we'd like to just let you know that the city of Sheboygan employees won that again This competition started in 2008 and we've won every year since so great job Sandy Deener and Dave Anderson received some prizes as a part of that and Laurie shirky and Sandy Deener tied for the most miles walk To work and piggly wiggly midwest track the most miles per employee winning the employer mileage challenge There's been some traffic calming measures that have been in place and I've gotten some questions from some citizens about that And I just like to read a little bit on that There's a new project targeted to reducing motorist speeds and improving safety around 12 areas Sheboygan school districts and the Sheboygan YMCA currently these Calf traffic calming measures are under design with construction tentatively planned for 2014 Our city crews have been putting some Pylons in the street to mimic the the traffic calming measures that are Anticipated so as people are seeing those who want them to know what they are and where they could be located It's also giving DPW a chance to See how well they can get around those for snow removal and other items Next I'd like to call up Joe Kerlin Joe is I'm pleased to welcome Joe Kerlin is the new Parks and Forestry Superintendent He's a Mayville North Dakota native Joe graduate with a bachelor of science degree in physical education from Mayville State University he began his professional career working as the aquatics manager for New Richmond, Wisconsin And quickly moved into the role of Parks Recreation and Forestry Director for New Richmond Joe started his new position on July 22nd of 13 in his spare time Joe enjoy spending time with his family hiking biking boating and visiting new parks I think he's looking forward to doing a little fishing in Lake Michigan and learning how to surf I hear and Joe We want to welcome you to Sheboygan. Thank you See a few words Joe Yeah, just to say that it's been a month already. It's gone by very quickly and New Richmond is basically Parks and Forestry and Recreation and and moving to Sheboygan. It's just on a bigger scale So I've so far run into most things that That David has been throwing at me I just got to say Sheboygan is just a beautiful town my wife and I fell in love with it when I interviewed twice here and The parks are beautiful the the updating of the shelters the bathrooms The lakeside area you got a beautiful community and I'm proud to be part of it. Thank you Next we'll move on the consent agenda Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor. I'd move to divide the question 211 Is it moved and seconded to divide 211 out of the consent agenda? Court please call the roll 11 eyes one abstention. Okay under discussion Go ahead with the motion. I'd move to approve the beverage liquor beverage operator's license for Joe Pentacle, okay Thank you for that motion and second under discussion on that on 211 on that motion any discussion Scott Lewandowski No, okay Would if there's no other discussion with a clerk, please call the roll on 211 11 eyes one abstention Alderman Hammond Thank You again, mr. Mayor move to accept and file all our O's accept and adopt all our C's past all resolutions and ordinances Thank you for that motion and second on the consent agenda. Is there any discussion on that motion? Alderman Herman Alderman Herman, did you want did you want to speak on the consent agenda? Please go ahead Thank you, mr. Mayor. I just want to advocate on not dick whites behalf He's a credible businessman for 55 years and a law-abiding tax-paying business man And he's perplexed a lot of people on the soul side are perplexed as to why the city has allowed him to operate all these years under these certain a certain way and Now he's being told that he has to do things a different way And thank you Thank you. Alderman Lewandowski item number 2.7 voted on separately About the intersection of 14th and Michigan Okay, is there a second to that motion? Remember boring. Thank you, I read them on this We have a second first Okay, we have a second go ahead with the discussion. Thanks, mayor I Read the minutes on this discussed over I believe I public protection and safety at the last meeting and I'm wondering if We could get a little more information on what the cost of a traffic study would be over there I forgot what the amount was it was the $30,000 for a for a traffic study And then it was another huge amount for putting up lights to make that a controlled intersection. I'm wondering if Director Bebo would have any knowledge of that Or perhaps the police chief It seems like an awful steep amount to do a traffic a traffic study over there Believe Chad Pellecek you had some information at the last meeting Whoever'd like to come forward Alderman Carlson We don't actually have an estimate at this state this stage of the game But from my previous employment when we would be hired out to do traffic studies They would range anywhere from 25 to as much as 50,000 based on the complexity And then that's just to get the other piece of that that wasn't in the newspaper that I think needs to be said is This is a state highway so we have to Petition the state to accept what we what we're proposing and get them to agree for us to install street lights and Then pay all the costs for installing the street lights the issue that's probably gonna come up is you've got lights on Eerie you've got lights on superior So whether this is a four-way stop or this is lights in that piece is whether You know every two blocks they're gonna approve having another set of stop lights So I think the bigger concern with this is petitioning the state to get them to agree that this is the right way to go And the only way of doing that is to have somebody Do a traffic impact analysis and study the conditions Alderman Carlson, thank you. Do you have anything else for? Yeah, I was just gonna if I could follow up mayor sure What about doing just doing a traffic count up there? We got the traffic counts and Ryan sasma presented them at the ppns meeting Don't quote me on these numbers, but it was It was 2800 at the 14th in Michigan Whereas down on eerie it was 21,000 and that's superior. It was like 17,000 or something What were they again at 14? 2800 2800 now with that with with those people going up 14th or with those people trying to cross Michigan those are people that could Travel through that intersection up and down Michigan up and down Michigan And I understand now with this with this accident this weekend This is apparently quite a severe accident this weekend that that's nine total incidents this year. I Believe Daryl can answer Alderman Carlson. Thank you mayor. I just want to touch on Friday's accident I did receive a communication via email in regards to some false information that was being shared on Shabuigan scanner The event on Friday was yes four cars were involved the car There was a car stop traveling southbound Turning on to Michigan two more cars were behind that car the fourth car I believe she was cited for inattentive driving She admitted that she wasn't paying attention and rear ended the third car which hit the second car Which had the first car had nothing to do with having a stoplight there or having one It was it was due to inattentive driving and when you look at the rest of the traffic accidents that have occurred there They would not have been avoidable by having a stoplight there so when we look at this entire thing we've got to look at the big picture and actually look at the facts and Relay on our city engineering department and our police department who are not advocating for putting a stoplight in there because it Wouldn't actually solve the issue that we have Thank you, Alderman Carlson. Alderman Lewandowski Yes, I just want to say that Nobody does a speed limit there and that's why we have these you're in collisions But I got us some information from the police chief and there was an accident that on that corner on April 2nd There was another accident at that intersection on April 22nd There were two separate accidents on that intersection on May 9th. There was one on June 25th There was one on July 1st. There was one on two separate accidents on July 10th five hours apart There was also one accident last week Monday afternoon and another accident last week Friday evening So there have been 10 accidents at that intersection since the beginning of April So to me it does show that something needs to be done about that intersection and somehow slowing down traffic in that intersection Thank you for those comments any other discussion on the motion on 2.11 David traffic signals don't necessarily prevent accidents so just In when we talk about a traffic engineering study, there's a lot of factors that go into that analysis. That's why it's expensive All these types of accidents that have occurred There's special conditions that get analyzed and looked at to determine. What was the root cause of that accident? so One of the things with that intersection. This is not the first time this has come up when 14th Street was originally Reconstructed back in 1990 I believe that was Michigan Avenue used to be one of the major major intersections there When it's extended and then when in input signals in there was a big outcry How could we rebuild the road and not put the signals back? that the issue is There's a lot of construction going on a lot of traffic that's being detoured in Michigan is Probably this year much more heavily traveled than in normal times So we got to be careful on how we analyze this because of the different traffic patterns that are occurring because of detours and road construction Nevertheless, if we want to proceed down this and study this it it Traffic signals are going to have to be coordinated with 14th and eerie and 14th and superior that means interconnection that needs timing plans it there's a synchronized network that has to be Engineered and programmed. So that's where it's not just simply as putting up a standard intersection and putting signals up That's isolated. This is part of a network and to have definitely green band traffic flows So traffic patterns move in a logical Coordinated pattern that takes a lot of effort and engineering studies to go with it. That's why there's a lot of expense It's it's above and beyond it. Let's say it would normal intersection So that's that's some of the factors that we have to play into some of this decision-making Thank you for that information David Alderman Maddichek Chief would you care to make any comments my comments are pretty much the same as what's been what's been said We have to look at really what the cause is of all the accidents and in primary cause is Either inattentive driving or failure to yield right away in all of the accidents Inattentive driving I think is trying to get the citizens to wake up and make sure that they're paying attention and Unfortunately, it's a small group of people that that engage in that behavior Much like crime in our city So we have to deal with that but I think David hit it right on the head that That area is really impacted by the detours and some of the other things going going on So we have to pay attention to that and work on signage and some of those things possibly Any other discussion? Would the clerk please call wait a minute all their men Herman Please go ahead I was at the public protection safety meeting last Wednesday I was one of the men that advocated that there should be a light on 14th in Michigan I know it's cost-worthy But I think it's worth the cost because you can't really put a price tag on human life as Olderman Lewandowski mentioned 40 10 accidents on 14th Street. That's That's ridiculous. I Truly believe that that there's been a dangerous on there for a long time and If we don't do something with that corner, there will be a lot of people that lose their life Thank you for those comments Alderman Boren. I Would have another question for Chad He mentioned that being a state highway We would have to work with the state on this would there be any would there be any cost and researching whether the state would Along with this in the first place and if they wouldn't then I guess it wouldn't be worthwhile doing the the rest of the studies But could we get an opinion from the state with little or no cost before we would proceed on anything else Chad would have an answer for that David He's handing it off The burden is going to be on the city first we have to prove basically that there is a traffic issue that would Basically warrant a study We might have some data. I think what's going to happen is the DOT is going to say well you got some detours you got traffic patterns changing They're going to say we need to analyze this intersection when it's normally operating when you don't have Erie Avenue close when you don't have lane closures on 14th Street But yes if We got to that point and there would be warrants the state could participate There would be an opportunity for a hazard elimination grant at which time we would have to go through that process But no no no cost for an original study Correct other than maybe time with your department or some other city department to compile some data and send it to him Right, and I believe like I mentioned Ryan sasmark our city engineers gathered some initial data on it And something the traffic figures from what he's presented first of all to us at this point It doesn't appear to meet the warrants of a traffic signal design as by the standard of the book So that's that's kind of what we're going at this point Thank you any other discussion See none will the clerk please call the roll The vote is to pull from consent and vote so you're voting What did you want to have happen to this Alderman Lewandowski? Did you want? just to vote whether to accept in an accept and File is that what you're looking at? Okay, just to accept and file Okay, eight eyes four nose Okay, then we're back to a consent agenda motion to approve all the other items from two one through 218 other than the two we've just voted on any discussion on the consent agenda Seeing none will the clerk, please call the roll 12 eyes Under communications and petitions item 3.1 through 3.3 will be referred to the respective committees Under reports of officers item 4.1 through 4.6 will again be referred to the respective committees Under reports of committee we have number 5.1, which is an RC by salary and grievances recommending Filing a communication from Alderperson born regarding the private sector, Wisconsin health insurance annual average premiums for 2011 compared to the city of Sheboygan's plan Alderman Hammond. Thank you. Mr. Mayor move to accept and adopt Thank you for that motion and second any discussion on the motion Seeing none will the clerk, please call the roll 12 eyes Next is item 5.2 an RC by law and licensing recommending that Beverage operators license 0035 be denied based on her failure to accurate to reveal all convictions in our honor application and her record of violations Related to the license activity and her failure to cooperate with the committee Alderman Vander wheel Thank you move the RC be accepted and adopted Second Motions before us for under discussion is Shannon Batiste here this evening She's not here. We did invite her to our committee meeting and two separate occasions, and she did not show up either time Thank you for that comment any other discussion Seeing none will the clerk, please call the roll 12 eyes Next is item 5.3, which is an RC by finance recommending a transfer of appropriations in the 2013 budget Establish revenue and appropriation for donations from Georgia Pacific and WPS for fire department equipment and establish an appropriation for purchase and demolition of 1020 Erie Avenue Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor move the RC be accepted and adopted and the resolution put upon his passage Thank you for that motion in second that motions before us is there any discussion See none will the clerk, please call the roll Items 5.4 through 5.9 will be referred to the respective committees and then matters laid over Item 6.1, which is resolution number 41 of 13 14 by Alderman Hammond Carlson Dastler and Heidemann to authorize a transfer of appropriations in the 2013 budget for the purpose of establishing Appropriation for wayfinding signs Alderman Hammond. Thank You mr. Mary move put the resolution upon its passage It's been moved and seconded to put the resolution upon its passage. Is there any discussion on that motion? See none all with a clerk, please call the roll 12 eyes Next we'll go on to other matters city attorney 7.1 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications They'll lie over 7.2 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2014 and June 30 2015 That will go to law and licensing 7.3 is a resolution authorizing the chief administrative officer to enter in a contract for street lights for the Erie Avenue resurfacing project bid number 2359-13 that will be referred to the public works committee 7.4 is a resolution to transfer Authorize the transfer of appropriations in the 2013 budget. They'll be sent to finance committee 7.5 is a resolution to authorize the transfer of appropriations in the 2013 budget Will also be referred to finance 7.6 is an ordinance relating to 15 minute parking limits So as to add the parking limits on a north and south side of orchard drive between south 11th place and south 12th street That'll be for the public protection and safety committee 7.7 is an ordinance placing stop signs at the southwest and northeast corners of Elma Avenue and South 21st Street That'll be referred to public protection and safety 7.8 is an ordinance placing stop signs at the southwest and northeast corners of Arizona Avenue and South 21st Street That'll also be referred to public protection and safety 7.9 is an ordinance granting extinet systems ink at successors and signs The privilege of encroaching upon described portions of cities right away located in the area of Union Avenue and South 17th Street in the city For the purpose of installing new underground conduit structures for fiber optic cable That'll be referred to the city planning commission 7.10 is a similar encroachment ordinance Granting extinet systems ink at successors in the science privilege and encroaching upon described portions of the cities right away in the area of North Avenue between 19th and North 15th Street That'll be referred to the city planning Commission Alderman-Boren If Steve no, we're not done Steve is done Please finish the agenda. Thank you 7.11 is another encroachment ordinance for extinet systems For encroaching an area of North 10th Street and Ghillie Avenue and crossing bluff Avenue for the purpose of installing Underground conduit structures for fiber optic cable city planning Commission on that one as well 7.12 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting communication from white L Vaughn requesting a waiver from the sex offender residency restrictions in order to live at 910 Indiana Avenue apartment 12 Okay, then Alderman-Boren Thanks, mayor before we adjourn. I just wanted to announce that a week from this Wednesday, August 28th at 6 p.m We will be having a committee of the whole meeting and I believe the agenda will be coming out this Thursday or Friday So if you want to mark your calendars, thank you. Thank you for that mention Alderman Amid Just wanted to make mention of since Monday is Labor Day That would be the first Monday of the of the month councilmen you would believe would be Tuesday night Correct. Thank you for that announcement And entertain a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn Move the second to adjourn, please Call the roll Thank you 12 eyes to adjourn