 The Nationals are not excellent. And I think that is Ken the crazy thing because I mean, I guess this is like a yearly discussion, right? I mean, why aren't they better? And now when you talk about Davy Martinez, exactly what territory is he in? They're a manager right now. Dangerous territory. And this series in LA is a big series. They have an off day on Monday as they go home to start a series with the Mets on Tuesday. Off days in May for struggling teams often lead to change. That's possible here. And the problem for the Nationals is, this is what they do. They have never had a manager in their history go three full seasons. It's incredible. Now granted, they only started in 2006, but my goodness, we've gone 13, 14 years here. So they're kind of damned if they do with Davy and damned if they don't. Damned if they do because it's just them spinning their wheels once again. If they don't, well, you're sitting with a manager who a lot of people in the game believe is not the right leader for this team. He's had some bullpen management issues in the two years he's been the manager. Of course, a lot of this is not his fault. Construction of that bullpen, not his fault. The injuries, not his fault. But Mark, you've watched them. I've watched them. Should they be playing better? The answer is unequivocally, yes. Because they're relying on youth. And when you rely on youth, you usually see energy. I'm not seeing the energy from this. And you look at the starters. Obviously, Max Scherzer, you have Steven Strasburg and Patrick Corbin. I think everyone in baseball would love to have that scenario play out. But you have younger guys, Bryce Harper's gone. You're relying on effort. You're relying on that identity. Go out there and play hard. I don't see that effort. I see it individualized, but I don't see it collectively. That's the reason why I think it leans on Dave Martinez. But Mike Rizzo needs to take a little bit ownership of what's going on because he has created this product. But here's the thing, they cannot punt. When you're giving out the money that they're giving out to the top three starters who are all fantastic and all performing this year, they have to go for it, don't they? I mean, this is not, hey, we have a young team. It'll be next year. This isn't next year with them, right? They have to go for it. But the mentality from organizations is, I'll give yourself a month, month and a half. And then we have to start making adjustments. You see it with player transactions. Now you're gonna see it with transactions, with managers. Because these guys are not being paid where you have to worry about taking that salary and leaving it. But they do have to with the Washington Nationals. Here's the problem. Joe Girardi is sitting out there. Buck Showalter is sitting out there. Two pretty accomplished managers, I think we would agree. They're not going to hire one of those guys. They're gonna bring in somebody from within. Either it's Beau Porter, the announcer, Randy Norr, the AAA manager, Chip Hale, the bench coach. One of those three, most likely, would be the new manager. And again, teams are going away from big time, big salary managers these days. But would that be the smart move? Joe Girardi or Buck Showalter? Wouldn't that change your team right away? Of course it would. And yet, the nationals don't like to pay managers. That's kind of one reason they run through them the way they do. You can't spend 500 million on your starting pitchers and not pay a manager more than $700,000. I'm sorry. I know the managing role is diminished, but you can't do that. There's six of them baseball in salary for teams. Come on, there's expectations that you have to meet as players. Everyone in that locker room has to look in the mirror and say, we have to be better. Yeah, they're not right now. Although, one last night, we'll see what they do tonight. The twins are dealing. They win again six to nothing. Their pitching has been outrageous. Jake Oderizzi hasn't allowed to run his last 20 innings. And it's interesting, Ken, I believe you wrote about this a little while ago for the athletic. They did something that no one's ever done in Major League Baseball. They hired a pitching coach straight from the college ranks. And you think it's paying dividends for them? It is. The last time this happened in baseball, it actually has happened before. But it was 1980, Kevin. Been a long time. Dick Houser, Florida State Coach, goes to the Yankees to be the manager. But this is the first straight to the majors higher from college since then. Derek Johnson, the Reds pitching coach, he was in the Cubs minor league system before he went to the Brewers. So what the twins have, and you cannot talk about this enough, a first time manager of pitching coach who was a first time Major League pitching coach and had never played professionally or coached professionally and an assistant pitching coach, Jeremy Hefner, who had played, was a pitcher, but had never coached before. Now, what is the secret? What are they doing here? They are guys that, the pitching guys, are into the advanced data, the track man, all the things that are so common now, but they're kind of experts at it. And it's clearly made a difference in guys that go to RISI in Martín Perez. You've seen a transformation of this staff, and I remember in spring training, some older scouts were kind of yelling at me, saying the twins, I don't know what they're doing with Wes Anderson. Guess what? Guys, these guys are pretty good. And Wes Anderson does a tremendous job there, right out of the University of Arkansas. I'll tell you this, Jose Barrios, it doesn't matter what pitching coach you have, if you haven't seen this young man throw the baseball, he's a budding star, if not a star right now, he's gonna only get better. The last couple of years, 26 wins in the big leagues, and he's getting better with every start. He continues to throw that fastball, but also the finishing pitches. He has the ability to go through the lineup, and isn't it refreshing, a young pitcher being able to go through the lineup three times, even more, he has that ability, he can front line to start, but Martín Perez, Ode RISI, gives a little bit of credibility to this whole pitching staff. All right, enough about that, because you threw out an interesting little nugget, we were just schmoozing in our meeting today, talking about what we're gonna do on the show, and you said, what if they went out and signed a certain relief pitcher? Yeah, I think Craig Kimbrell is a perfect destination if they continue to do some damage in this. The reason why Corey Kluber goes down and the Cleveland Indians are their worry, but I think Craig Kimbrell not only can pitch this year with them, but extend themselves, and if you look at it, the closer is Blake Parker, also Taylor Rogers, the left-hander, so they mix and match, and they're 10 for 10 in save opportunities. I think Craig Kimbrell fits perfectly, his personality, he brings credibility because of his championship last year with the Red Sox. Everyone is looking for that. I just wonder if it's going to be now, or it's gonna be after the draft. Well, Mark, this is what's interesting. So all the teams are thinking right now, let's wait until after the draft, we won't have to give up the pick. Well, guess what? Everyone's thinking that same way. They're all gonna jump in after the draft on Kimbrell and Dallas Keichel. So you could make the case that for an enterprising team, the move would be right now. It's gonna take Kimbrell a couple of weeks, but you'd have him before June, rather than having him in July, which is what's going to happen if you sign him after the draft. The Twins, as Mark said, he's right. It's a perfect destination because here's a team that has come on in a big way, best record in the majors entering today. Cleveland Indians didn't do much in the off season. They've had injuries this season. They're compromised in a number of different ways. What the Cleveland Indians should have done was put their foot on the Twins' throat for one more year. Now maybe the Twins can put their foot on the Indians' throat and go about it that way. This is a power move that's gonna change a lot of different dynamics, and we know how good Craig Kimbrell is. It's just a perfect fit. Look, I think we all think they're good. I think we all think they have an excellent chance of winning the division, but that changes everything. They were to make a move like that. Yeah, we're assuming, of course, that Kimbrell will come back and be Kimbrell. He sat out. We saw what happened to Greg Holland last year. I know Kimbrell's not Greg Holland in different pitchers, but it's a concern for every team in this mix. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy we're talking about this midway through the season. Yes it is. Midway through the season and one of the best closers, if not the best ones, still out there.