 Again morning folks. How are you? So? Let me go ahead and stick in the chat The link to add yourself to the meeting that's You can go ahead and add yourself there um So also these meetings are recorded From the very beginning of the meeting and then they get posted on YouTube And it typically takes about five minutes for everybody to start showing up. So Cool So again, here's the link for adding yourself to the meeting minutes Okay There's a meeting just before this and that's part of what's done a little We also have here's the link for people to add themselves to the agenda as attendees and We usually start in about a couple minutes here, so we usually give folks to about five after It's a quick question before we start because today we had our Asian call in the morning So we did a quick review of what happened and I know that they were supposed to be a network service mesh YouTube channel Is this a tink or we kind of I'm literally actively working on it. So I've got from the Linux foundation staff. I have the first seven talks that I've just downloaded That I'm going to put up on the YouTube channel and then link in from the talks page I'm still waiting on the rest of the talks One of the things that we may actually choose to discuss in this meeting is whether or not to post the talk videos as I get them in Hand on YouTube and in terms of revealing them or to wait until we have all of them and do it as a big bang I'm fine either way. I can actually make good argument for both of them Um, you know, and I would strongly urge you to put a recap item on the agenda for the morning meeting I think it's really good for us to have a sense of what happened in the Asia meeting Okay, so So that all of that is pure goodness So do you want to be going do would someone be willing to share the meeting the agenda you need to asking? Oh We oh there it is So welcome to another NSM weekly call Thank you for showing up. I wanted to Make a mention Actually, I'm writing to a meeting. I'll talk about it afterwards. So we have this meeting which occurs every 8 a.m. On Pacific time on Tuesday We have We don't have the the weekly call listed on the in the recurring. So we need to add that in But that happens bi-weekly every Tuesday at 8 a.m. GMT We have the CNCF networking working group. That's That's in the process of being rebooted. They had a talk about it last coupon, which Unfortunately, I had a conflict. I I will Definitely catch up on it myself But we we should make sure that the time there is is not conflicting with us and recommend the time slots for them if they are We have QCon just just wrapped up and we'll cover Q dot con after the major events overview We have dev con coming up Speaker acceptance letter should already be sent so We should know whether Radislava and and Ivana are going to talk and decolai with building a 4g lte network and Founding a video processing We have foz them coming up The proposals close on the 1st of December. So if you intend to talk it positive in Brussels Please Please get your proposal in as soon as possible because you have less than a week We have cube con coming up and in the RAI in Amsterdam And the proposals are currently open. They close on Wednesday, December 4th So I am not sure what what time zone they close in so please get them in by Please get them in by December 3rd at the latest The proposals will be announced in late January We have ONES coming up in Los Angeles the event you are the event URL and Proposal deadline is to be determined. That will be on April 20th through 21st so almost back to back with cube con and With that Let's jump into The social media community team first and then we'll do a week And then we'll start with the main agenda. So we've seen our you on I guess in a day or not So we think it's gonna have a meeting right now. So network service call stats Where these were written on the 26th. So we had plus with an additional 61 followers we followed an additional 26 people and We had 800 and we now reached 840 tweets. So we produced a hundred forty eight tweets during during the last two week cycle We have posted NSM con sessions live tweets, etc. And all the slides Or most of the slides is not all of them are published and the video of the sessions at cube con are linked in in the In the agenda, you can also find them on that work service mesh Website, I believe in the events page. You can go down to them to the NSM con section and and see a bear and We do not have any linked in the count stats yet, but that should be coming soon and There is a plan to post to cross post the Between Twitter and LinkedIn via hootsuit And with that let's jump into the NSM con cube con recap. So let's start with the NSM con Who wants to talk first? Again, I can start I know that there are other people that probably can share it's what it was. Okay, so Of course It was the Most the NSM ish event of all till now So we started with the NSM con full day of Network service mesh only talks was really really exciting to see what what people are doing quit NSM I was not aware of how of the things that were presented and I think that we had a really good audience response lots of talks in between the like during the breaks I'm probably not so much questions in life because people like probably are more new to the problems and I don't know. Maybe we need to analyze this more more than deeply how to how to make people More welcome and ask more questions feel more like probably make it a little bit more interactive Um, this is essentially the NSM con then we had a number of Very very very very interesting meetings, which I think that if at least maybe okay not how but at least a Quarter of these meetings are coming to some Like real follow-ups with real people joining the community, etc. This will still be a huge huge thing for us But we had very very interesting meetings and talks with the various Communities and things. I don't know what we can and should share but There are a lot of things coming on our our way and probably the first one is probably this We have a PR from Intel Regarding KSROV, which is like one of the things that that's really I Think powerful for us. I mean like from participation from you know Functionality, so this is kind of a sign of good things coming our way Then we were part of a couple of telecom user group and C entity Meetings we had presented me and Ivana were talking about NSM some kind of intros Like to the subject I Think that this is you know, we are trying to keep our position there be like a strong proposition for The telco domain And then the last day We had I think about 300 people joining our 90-minute talk Which was which was great. I mean I Personally had some concerns if we will be able to keep the attention of the people for so long But I think that that it worked and I would definitely consider having a long one longer talk again in Amsterdam then to Two shorter ones. I don't know. At least that's my my feeling and That's more or less my recap Cool, no, I mean I I also like the NSM con there were a couple things that sort of shocked me in terms of how successful it was in large part because I've done a lot of collocated events in various places and we had a few things that just never happened The first is we had between 80 and 90 percent of the people Who were registered actually turned up in the room in the morning and that just never happens, right? So that was a really good sign and then in the afternoon We actually started getting this this interesting effect because in the afternoon a whole bunch of people Started wandering in who weren't registered But who were in the other collocated events because in the afternoon We got a little bit more easy going about folks getting in although you had to be going to some Collocated event in order to get up there. They were kind of strict about that And so we got to the point where most of the seats in the front were full and we had most of the space in The back where people were standing around was was full and so it was it was definitely a really good room So that was really good. I was also super pleased by the breadth of talks we got from the community one of the jokes that I made for the five cool things you could do with network service mesh is that you know The the zeroth cool thing you can do is you can borrow content from the broader community to give your five Cool things talk because quite a few of the use cases we talked about there and that video is already up on YouTube By the way, we're literally Borrowed with permission from talks that were given at NSM con So it was just it was super exciting and and I'm expecting we'll probably do an NSM con again a cube kind of you So and then you know also that the the five cool things talk went well There were all kinds of people wandering up who are interested in NSM con I Gave a couple of booth talks on it that were extremely well attended. So just overall there was a ton of interest in what we're doing here. Oh There was a keynote mention So we we we had keynote stage support as well. Oh, yeah, of course Well, I'd like to add out of that NSM con went really really well and most of the you know, usually when there is some cool conference during cube con some people attend by some interest, but Yeah, and not all of them particularly for everything while here It was the feeling that everyone is highly interested in everything that is said and it was more like university lectures then Then a conference in terms of how people react. They were discussing most of the Every topic and they had a lot of questions. We had panel discussion after that and I never saw such high interest on Co-conference at cube con at least the previous ones that I attended not related to NSM and it was really great in the content. It was great to see so many people Applying NSM to various cases. It was inspiration for us Let to focus next Also, we've been we were invited to the telco user group shared about NSM there And we had some ongoing discussions about demo with NSM for the Mobile World Congress together with the CNCF test bed people we also had Some discussions about NSM itself ideas of Improvements and for what the future focus to be on I'm not getting to detail now not to consume time what we can Discuss that in some of the next meetings. Yeah, I think Overall, I'm very happy with the with the result and so in terms of Things that could have gone better. I would have definitely appreciated a larger a larger room It's it's clear that the we had we had enough people there enough interest that we're pulling from other from other areas and We got to the point where our wait list needed a wait list and so we definitely have We got the largest room that we were able to get at the time but My recommendation is that we start early for the next MSM con now that we know that it's Going to happen sooner than later And so You know, I believe that there's still that there's There's still larger rooms available for for Amsterdam, but once they become available for Boston I Proposed that we Try to snag one of the one of the larger rooms as as soon as possible Well, yeah, I know that there's some rumbling in the background about Getting a bigger room for NSM con you and in March at cube con So hopefully that that will come together shortly and I know that you know, it's just we're all very tired. We're so tired It was an amazing week. Um, I think that that here's the time to thank again our amazing Helpers in organizing this Gary and Suzanne and I forgot the name of deal the other ladies Melissa, yeah, Melissa. Yeah, okay It's unbelievable how much they do Yeah, I wanted to call them out again, like they were absolutely fantastic and even though The companies may have some differences between the two of them And they when when they came down to running NSM con I mean, it was it was absolutely fantastic like Event around my clockwork and Very large part of the reason how I say most of the reason why is because of their their efforts. So like And I got contributor stickers to two of them. We need to work out how to get one to Melissa No, that actually brings me back around to something else And I know I've actually solicited this on an ascend a pendant SM Dev as well For folks who are contributors to network service mesh if you can direct message me on Slack and get me your t-shirt size and An address to send it to I should have a bunch of t-shirts from the event that I can send out to people And in other swag like contributor stickers and that kind of stuff Because we do appreciate all the folks the things that people do even if they don't necessarily manage to make it to the conferences I was just going to mention that they were pretty good t-shirts with the logo They're soft They're high quality Yep Cool Awesome, so anything else that folks wanted to bring up about cube con and recap there I Was disappointed that there were no magnets Other than that well the stickers with magnets on them, but but no not magnets The stickers were the magnets. Yeah, so this was actually brought up so but yeah, I know that the Just for those who went there There was a joke about the editor argument among, you know developers, you know people in favor of emacs people Revive and you know and then that the punchline of the cartoon is real developers used magnets to move the i-nodes by on the disc by hand So there's a magnet theme Yeah, I think that we also should go out to our social media community team who are absolutely fantastic at kind of just Uploading everything in real time Like they were covering the event and they're very kind of a lot of details At least from what I can tell so. Oh, yeah. No, thank you Lucina and Ashley did a brilliant job. They were all over it and and it's much appreciated. They do such an amazing job I've literally had multiple different people ask, you know, if we've got professional social media support Oh, I just have as a kick-ass community Also Ashley and she was also helping there from what I saw. Mm-hmm. Yeah Thank you Yeah, I actually think Lucina outperforms many of the professional groups because she's involved personally and And enjoying these particular calls and helps us in a variety of other ways She's very in tune with what the community is doing so And I think that helps compared to when you're a few steps away and you're asked please promote this thing So she does an amazing job though, like I'm super super happy I'm sure we're missing somebody to thank as well. So if you missed you, thank you Um Cool, so we have Sure, we have the Asia call. So that's let's hop on to on to that. Can you give us can somebody who is there give us a recap? So essentially we did a quick recap of the KubeCon and SMCon There were a couple of questions regarding where they can find the videos from an SMCon Um, and then we quickly went through the pending SRV-6 Because I was recommending Daniel's talk. I mean actually all the talks But especially Daniel's talk which was last but was like a lot of lots of interesting And then we went quickly through the SRV-6 status Like this PR that we have for support there and we learned from Alex if I'm not mistaking the names Or Denise was it Denise or Artyom? I don't know. I'm I'm probably mixing the name. Sorry But the contributor there for the SRV-6 Enlighten us of what's the status that there's a pending PR for the upstream DPP agent and etc. So that's more or less What we what we did? Yeah, no, I mean Daniel's talk was just hysterical He literally gave less than a sentence to some things that were super profound like the fact that he has now run an SM on a white box switch Yeah, it's even a full sentence Man, I mean I was like going to to the slides the other day and I was wow This is so awesome. I mean the moment that we will be able to that demo this and I hope that this is Yeah, okay, let's let's get down to the Vo3 Release and then we'll speak about it before we do. I think we do have an item on the VO2 release notes Yeah, because of Anna did notice that in our rush to try and get the release out after lunch at an SM That maybe we should have done a release notes Yeah, we we we had a choice we could either do the documentation or do the release now And so we chose the documentation documentation But no actually the real answer is we forgot where we're sorry Are you gonna go anyone? Yeah, I was gonna say we've seen a race to the topic because she wants to share More and she found out just me we have for this note and I said no So I did some Scratch and I looked through the content from what we discussed on previous Calls someone gave up and tried to make some draft with all the key features fixes etc and if I Know they can be written from someone or everyone that worked on something can add few wines If possible, that would be more productive. I think Yeah, no, I appreciate your start. I was actually quite impressed how much you captured there I had forgotten how much we've done Can we have like a a small checklist of things to do to check before we cut releases and we can check Have we properly created the branches or have we properly published to to The image repo have we created the release notes? Yeah, I I think you recall that that in the document that nickel I wrote for releases There probably is some of that but capturing a checklist would be good because I don't actually even remember the steps that I took and I know that I wasn't the only one taking steps so Yeah, and for the next release we can be more we can be more prominent about it and that also reminds me that Thank you for bringing this up in honor one of the things that I am going to start doing at the During each meeting is I'm going to ask people to To include any information that is relevant into the next set of release notes So we build them over time not at the last minute Because it's very likely that we left something important out of the current release notes because of our because of our process Oh Sorry No, I'm interrupting you for the old ones. Can we put some deadline maybe because otherwise we can postpone adding them This would be my suggestion in terms of I think you're absolutely right Let's get a deadline on the release to the v0.2 release notes Um, I would suggest that we make that deadline not next week but the week after And the reason I would suggest that is because this week is a holiday in the u.s And a whole lot of people are already out this week So they may the first they may discover about the release notes might be next week And so then if we close them the week after Um, then we give everybody an opportunity to contribute to them. So rather than the third maybe looking at the 10th of december Does that does that sound good to folks? Yep cool Is there anything else that we want to talk about on the zero to zero release notes? If not, then let's move on to zero three zero With what do we with what do we want? Um, who wants to kick this one off? Yeah, I'll go ahead and kick this off. Um, so the last couple of releases we put together We we've sort of we've we've busily worked at things and then um, we've sort of realized Oh my god, cube con is coming. Um, and then we've tried to get a release together And and and we were in a station development where that actually made a ton of sense. Um, but We seemed like it might be useful and healthy to Start talking at the beginning of the cycle about sort of what folks what things folks would like to see And I'd actually like to see more things in this list Most of the things on the list I just threw together as part of the initial throwing things together I'd love to see more things on this list from other people who are not me But you know, this is think of this as a candidate list to try and help us sort of focus our attention Um on what we want to get done for v zero dot three dot zero dot three Given that we are probably talking about going into cube kind of you with it um And so the list I start first put up is we right now we've got the proposal for the NSM forwarder to cross connect nsc refactor and that I think probably we want to get done sooner rather than later We've got some work already underway where wane is working on dynamic matches Uh, which if you've not looked at the dynamic match issue Um, they'll let us do some very very interesting things like Um, when a request comes in to get to a network service Uh, routing it to something providing the network service on the same node Um, or and it not just node, but like you could do any kind of topological construct there um, you've got Another one here is it turns out with dynamic matches. It gets really easy to do on-demand and ac creation Um at the topology that you care about So those were sort of two that went together in my mind Um, we had a huge amount of interest in the vl3 examples Uh, database replication over an interdomain vl3 And istio over an interdomain vl3 people were super excited about that Um and about other things you could do there Can I just start here that that this is probably so far our like killer use case like Obviously people see the most value with this So far, I guess that we'll be able to excite them with other things, but Till now this is this is the thing that that was well I mean it turns out it's not just even those particular examples It's all the things you can do over a virtual layer three. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly No, the examples the vl3 Yeah, I mean I had conversations with people who were interested in doing cloud native storage Multi you know multi cloud cloud native storage that way people who are interested in doing multi cloud telemetry collectors You know that way It just turns out to solve the whole host of problems and what we have right now is a sort of a very rough proof of concept A pock of it That needs a lot of smoothing out To turn into a nice smooth example people can use in the the zero dot three release Yeah, but it's super exciting. Um, then we we've also got the very first screenshots on the srio vvfs Um, you know, uh zemeck who pushed this patch marked it as both pock and work in progress So I would encourage folks to go take a look at it Um, but you know, we do understand that we've got a lot of work to do in the community getting that across the finish line But the fact that he has actual working code Means it'll probably be fairly straightforward. It's just going to be a simple matter of working together as a community to get it there But that will allow us to drop both srio vvs with user space and if you want them kernel space srio vvs into um Into pods as ends of a v wire Which is very very exciting Not just for the nfv use cases, but if you're gonna, you know, there are lots of folks who You who want that an enterprise use cases as well and this gives you a nice clean saying way to do it um, so one of the use cases which you said the nfv somehow is um We are going to need this and we already do something similar not in the best cloud native way in the cnf testbed So improving the examples there will be really really, I mean, this would be really helpful for us to improve the examples That's literally the next line right, um, which is Most the srio vf stuff is in place Then the only remaining piece. Oh cnf testbed Is you would want an ensm that can manipulate packets very simple rest api for their networking And at that point it's it all falls into place Yeah, um Okay, we can probably Discuss this uh offline totally totally I mean, we can probably just go with a straight srio v Without the ensm and they're not the ensm on top of that, but okay, that's probably details Yep, yep, baby steps baby steps. Got it. All right And then I added the the last one because we we kind of postponed this one to move our api to beta So that we know that we have stable ish api and the last bits are essentially Related to Oh, we don't have this one here On it the the the first one Finish an sm forwarder cross connect the nc Reflector refactor Refactor Oh, okay, you would think I could spell things in my native language, but you'd be wrong Yeah Yeah So I I I called you this feature cross connect as a network service, but okay Everyone has their own namings. I guess I'm perfectly fine to set to figure out How we want to call it, um Yeah, it's it's just like describing to people what what this is about, but okay Yeah Yeah, so what what actually makes me happy About this plan is that although there are kind of core refactorings There is no like big. Oh, okay. Yeah, probably though the opa policy would be I was just going to say that there's not going to be a big change in our core code, but okay Well, I mean the the opa policy really is just it should be a decorator on things um They don't think it's so much a matter of the changes in the core code I think the core patterns stay more or less the same so Maybe maybe we should ask andrei to tell us here. What are his plans about the healing v2 which was sitting for a while um Yeah, it's actually really depend on a refactoring for the same forwarder Before we can start actually Okay, and probably it will require some small changes in usdk Since at the moment we have leak of the healing when we do sdk and point to Like forwarder Connections we don't have monitor for the next chainit items And for a proper recovery for such kind of scenarios We need to have chainit contexts To be Inside the connection object So probably we will wait for an sm forwarder for factoring first before you'll start changing in the healing Okay, so I guess that we keep this as a higher level goals and then maybe we can add to that list As things come our way Yeah So something that I would love to see is I'd love to see us make a concerted push towards It's reaching incubating And my recommendation towards that is we pick the easiest use case that has high value to people And we we started with that you know like what's the You know, what is what is that first thing that gets people sweet in the door? So I think my my recommendation based on the semicon stuff You know borrowing from from our friends is we start with with the use case like how do you do database replication? across multiple multiple testers and I I suggest we start with with That not one particular path and we have some friends that That are in other communities who are very interested in in helping us with this for a Amsterdam release date And so so I think that if we can we can mail that use case Especially using one of the one of the groups who's interested with working with us Then I think that we can easily get our Our three production users and then that's the only thing that's gating us at this point Of becoming incubating Yeah, I would I would love for us to be incubating in time for boston. Uh, that would be fantastic if we can arrange that Yeah, and the the requirements on that Are like we pretty much hit hit every every major Every every major one like in fact we were already working on the requirements were for We're graduated and so Granted, I think We could say incubating for a while because we'll be in a very good company So examples of other incubating projects are at cd and grpc Which absolutely get production use and so we don't have to rush to to graduate it But we should rush to to incubating And so we can work out the happy path to to that and Uh, and build and build that out and get that tested Like I I think will be an excellent position for for boston, but I think amsterdam has to be that Has to be that deadline for for that happy path because that's where we're going to convince people to to give it a try Okay, is is there anything else we want to talk about on on what do we want? And we covered Timing to to a degree Um, should we talk about uh naming? Yeah We're the one thing I would say with timing that nicolai put together a really well thought out scheme for timing That we failed to follow this time around. I'd like to try and see if we can get a crisper Statement of timing so we can actually follow the process this time Does that make sense nicolai? Yeah, yeah means we sort of just crashed through the wall this time and and I'd rather be more orderly Yeah, it was just like a lot of events. I don't know if it's going to be easier for next Release I don't think there's any events between now and cube kind of you effort. Well, I guess mobile world congress can't help us Yeah, I mean we we would love to do something with in the cnf test bed more of like I don't know packet gateway whatever for mobile congress, so that's not on the what we want to do this here but I don't know at least I I would like to see this To show up there with the cnf test bed and be able to demo something And yeah, and then actually a month. So it's it's an interesting series of events. So A month before cube con we have mobile congress and month after cube con we have open networking summit. So It's kind of Yeah, oh my um Yeah, that that that's that's that's gonna be yeah mobile world congress is its own special kind of circus Yeah, I know but I still think that I I agree with with What Fred said that we need to skewer use case every pattern whatever but um, at least for me The as I think I said it on stage on smcom. This this kind of duality of the the nature of nsm like the enterprise and the The service provider telco kind of hardcore networking um is I think that we need to preserve it and push it some kind Two together. I can understand that the telco people are Harder to please convince But I think that it's it's in a longer term. This is Something that that's going to pay a lot I I think it ends up being better for everybody if we solve in both spaces instead of solving them separately Yeah, I really agree. Well, what I what I found because I I get to straddle both the uh, the enterprise and uh, and telecom world is Both sides are very receptive to the fact that the other side is Is considering nsm and so when I talk with the enterprise people and they talk about oh, but we needed to be performant And it's like well the telecom people Know a lot about network performance And when I talk with the telecom people and we talk start talking about things like security and And ease of use of management of their other systems Then I get to lean on the enterprise side and say the clear enterprise people are considering us for for similar reasons It follows those patterns and so there's this This virtuous cycle that occurs between the both, but it's not just about the marketing side It's that with those those themes Trickle into the project itself because we're actively supporting both both paths And so that means we have to be fast. We have to be secure. We have to be Easy to manage and easy to scale out and and so on because otherwise We will lose one or the other or possibly both and so So the having having strong demands from both sides It gives us that diversity of use cases which Which absolutely helps us in that path and so um, I want us to I want to continue working with the telecoms as well In order and we have had entire community in order to try to In order to try to help them And so like right now. I know we spoke a little bit on the enterprise side, but Yeah, there is Some work that has been done towards mobile world congress or That there are talking about some set of demos I don't have the full scope of that just yet I should have that soon and I need to talk with Dan as well to see what am I allowed to True release or not release because you may have certain things that you may not Want announced yet But uh, I Would prefer to try to do as much in the open rather than Rather than behind closed doors so um, and that it's a world we'll We'll see how all that how all that plays out, but You know, I I think continue to continue interactions with the telecom user group and other similar Uh and other similar groups Will will help us and it will absolutely help us in the long run Great Yeah, I I just I just wanted to add that what what I see here in this plan are two two very strong Points, I mean, I think that all of these are kind of strong and we'll If we're able to execute them by March, we'll definitely have a really interesting And hard time to find the only five cool things that we can do For the things we have to do 10 things that we can do With nsm. So, uh, what what I found here I want I wanted to kind of highlight is that we're finally bringing the hardware on the table because this is something that nsm has been proposing for a long time And if we are able to do sro v and I'm sure that we will be able to know with the support of the great people from intel And if we also manage to do some form of a nsm or whatever that means um Yeah, I think that now this is um Yeah, I've got kind of a strong strong strong Message to everyone. Okay. Let's let's move forward because we spend too much time here. I think Well, this is the last item on the agenda. So, uh, we can spend as much time as you like The last item is naming Yeah, so let's see, um, we're looking for c based, um constellations And they don't have to be part of the 88 standard constellations. They can be one of the more minor constellations such as, um Borealis corona was an example of one such, um Um So don't have to be part I I suspect that normally when we talk about constellations There's a bunch of constellations that come from sort of the greek latin tradition Um, but they could also be part of constellations from other traditions like the indian or or chinese or others that also works absolutely and If we find that we don't have a letter or the constellation appears to be inappropriate because it's uh associated with bad context Uh, we can pick other things in the sky as well. So we have we have stars. We have Uh, that'd be one of these, you know, there's a little wide range of different things uh, but since we're starting with, um With uh constellations Uh, c has a lot of constellations. So we're we're gonna we're gonna have a hard time choosing this, uh This time, um Some of the ones that stand out to me are we have, um Cassiopeia We have centaurus seapus We have uh, this one will make the uh, the volc people very happy. We have canis major and minor And so so we we have we have a lot and there's also canis, uh Venotasi, which are hunting dogs. Uh, but no, we have a lot of a lot of uh choices. So okay Not urgent right now Yeah Start thinking of things start, uh, looking into the background because the uh, We I'd love just to see a story behind it. Like, uh, the uh borealis I'm in the crown of very odd and I just fit perfectly into into the narrative And so cool is well with that is, um Is there anything else on on naming or should we move on to q and a? Okay q and a it is Uh, anyone have any questions? Cool, there are no questions. We can go ahead and close this particular this particular meeting up Um Okay with that I want to thank everyone for for attending and I we will see you all again Next week at the same time Take care. Okay. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Thanks. Bye