 yo what is good sorry i'm yelling at you uh i just had an interview with my boy leo he started his own podcast i live with him in college he's one of my best friends it was an amazing podcast actually one of my favorite i've ever been a part of it was so many ideas it was kind of crazy because there's a lot of ideas i wanted to share myself but he asked amazing questions so it was kind of the podcast i wanted to make but he facilitated it and it was just amazing his podcast it's called risk with confidence this is his podcast but i'm just posting it on mine because it was such a great interview and i'm sharing the love and it was just such good information and uh yeah help him out show show him some love on his podcast he's all about business you could check out his first episode to know more about his what his podcast is about but i'm looking forward to him doing a lot more i was his first interview and i'm honored to be his first interview and it went so well that i'm just so excited to see what he does in the future and i'm definitely a huge fan huge supporter so i hope you guys enjoy still spinning podcast 72 i believe this is raising our consciousness enjoying life to the most to the max and uh that's it i hope you guys like this one thank you all for listening it's been growing a little bit and i really appreciate him having so much fun doing it and i'm getting great feedback so thank you so much and just enjoy more i don't really know what else to say just enjoy this episode let me know what you thought of it and uh have a lot of guests coming on soon and a lot more things to talk about everything i do i want to share so i'm hoping keep this podcast more frequent like it's been doing hopefully every tuesday at least once a week you get the point all right enjoy yo i'm easily fascinated i'm feeling so creative it's your boy stevie i'm a planet earth native i'm enjoying all the moments cuz you're such a thrill living and i'm not sure if you notice listen up we're still spinning steven how's he going man brother everything is great man i'm happy to be here thank you for having me on your podcast man glad to have a go i'm excited as uh you're my first interview for my podcast and so i apologize in advance if i don't sound too professional but i am working in progress man yes i'm about to say the same thing it's all practice i'm still trying to learn to myself so what's good man it's sunday what you got planned for today today um this i was very excited for this so i'm just excited to have a little conversation um i love doing these podcasts and i also just go into the gym after this uh and then later after that probably make a video i make youtube videos of my dunking so i'll probably make a little dunk vlog about that and uh yeah i might actually record a solo podcast myself of me just ranting on something interesting and watch some documentaries this weekend and new books and things like that so i might get on the mic myself for my own podcast so just for the people to get to know you i guess for the people who don't know you you have quite a bit of an audience in different platforms so what what is what is steven sure uh yeah so uh my main platform is probably my youtube uh i started that back in 2011 uh i had a dream of dunking ever since i was a little kid and then i saw people on youtube that were my height um that went from touching the rim to dunking really inspired me and that made me believe it was possible and just kind of started the video making videos to document uh i think i've told you the story a million times but um i'm trying to condense it because it's really long but uh basically started making videos to try to document my progress just so i could kind of see how i'm doing i could look back on the days where i couldn't do it because i really believed i could and then it would be awesome to catch my first dunk on tape so i did that and um once i did that i realized that might go ahead when was your first dunk so that was that was uh about a year in i think i was 19 i'm 26 now no let's keep in mind you're 510 yes 510 and it um it's something i was actually i might actually be starting a book i didn't tell you this actually because let me get out but get back to the little book it's about it's about this whole dunk life type thing but um basically i was trying to dunk and i would watch people on on youtube if you're a dunk fan if you don't know dunking there's a whole like dunking community out there now and one of those people is Jordan Kilganon he's been in the all-star game he's been in different contests but also he was just like inventor of dunks kind of like taking dunking to another level inventing dunks but the this guy Andy Nicholson was my height he was the guy that was went from touching the rim to dunking at my height that really inspired me and when i was training to dunk trying to get my first dunk and even when i did i was on youtube asking a million questions how do i do this how do i jump higher watching these people that jump higher than me asking what they're training is all all the time like waiting every moment on their response and sometimes it'd be weeks because they had a lot of comments people weren't as interactive there wasn't even instagram yet and um so then when i got my first dunk and i was still training i was started to get those questions because i went from dunking to maybe two-hand dunks winmills and uh then i realized that uh nobody's really showing what they do day to day they would kind of show a video of them dunking and then weeks later show them jumping higher or a month later showing them landing a new trick and people watching were impressed but they were they were getting inspired but they didn't know what happened in between so that's kind of what inspired me and also it was at the time Casey Neistat who's a huge youtube vlogger was getting big and i thought vlogging was perfect for that that's awesome and so i don't know much about dunking um how does that passion actually get started because i know you played a little bit of football in high school and right as a younger kid and i guess you played a little bit of basketball but how how does your passion get to the point of that little niche of yes dunking so that is uh a great question because it's it's basically who i am and when i think back and i've done this a lot because just the point of my life i think about who i am a lot and it's actually um built up from my life story as a kid growing up so growing up i was always energetic i mean i loved playing sports but i was always i was always uh short that was a big part of it like whenever i played sports i was always the shortest one but that gave me um like a short complex of like trying to be the best so whenever i was like playing sports i was shortest but i wanted to be the fastest because that's what i could do or i wanted to be the best at playing basketball or like catch the best playing football just always wanted i was very competitive and being short it kind of made me feel like the underdog so i always wanted to prove people wrong um and then also being short i always loved touching things because that was like the best way i could kind of stand out because like if there was even just like the door frame i remember in elementary school like just being able to touch that like there was kids my height or like taller that wouldn't even think to do it but i would run and try to touch that and being short it made me like want to like jump and touch things that were looked impossible sort of that's awesome man uh you mentioned a little bit about your energy and i've got to say you're probably uh the person who has the most energy out of anybody i know and i've always wondered how do you have so much energy i mean i don't think i have ever seen you tired once and you probably do uh things like three times that i do you go to the gym and spend three hours at the gym and you know you spend time vlogging and doing all these things what what is the energy where is it coming from how do you get it so um as a kid it was always just kind of almost like add just like loving to do crazy things and like making my friends laugh i was always just like i always loved making my friends laugh so when i would like have that energy burst i think that would like little thinking like really deep that like reward system of making people laugh like felt good um and just playing sports i always i always played a lot of sports i think my energy kind of built from there um but i also just loved the energy from a young kid like i loved running and i loved playing and i loved uh making people laugh and doing things like that so i always loved it um and then when i had these goals of making the youtube and i started to uh see some sort of a path of like becoming who i am and learning about myself a lot and having these big goals that i see are would not only make my life um almost like a dream like doing things that i love and inspiring people and like it just felt so aligned that it that fills me with energy as well so having that um vision of what i want to do is really inspiring to me it fills me with energy to see other people getting uh inspired to do things so that's one uh aspect of the energy but then as i was doing all this youtube and looking up how to make a podcast and listening to other podcasts that are super inspiring um i started to learn about nutrition and my body and sleep and how important all these things are so that is a huge factor every every time i talk to somebody in there um sort of lacking energy or lacking motivation i always or they're in a different mood like a poor mood the the foundation is always like sleep eating right and moving your body a little bit because i've also learned that a lot of it is you think you have energy and then you do those things like you have energy and then you eat right because you have effort to like make that meal that's healthy instead of that takes a little more time or get those things done so you could sleep earlier or like or you have energy and then you go to the gym but a lot of times it's reverse it's a lot of times it's you you do something first like for example i'm tired but if i get up and start moving my body the energy builds yeah no that makes sense and i know you've been doing quite a bit of i guess journaling i would say yes a lot of people have been talking about that it's it's uh it seems like it's something every entrepreneur and athlete and and people are doing these days and it's definitely something i want to get into i think it can really help me with my daily routine so just explain to me kind of what do you do to journal and what do you document and how to keep progress uh what do you write it down by hand do you have an app dude i have i've actually wanted to tell you this i'm glad we're getting into it now so it's documented because i'm going to share it with mine my audience but um i actually learned some really good tips recently um i'm doing life coaching training as you know which we can get into as well like how i got to there i think that was one of the things you wanted to ask me about but um i have these mentors that are like coaching and training me about life coaching and they're they're like so far advanced they've been doing life coaching for a while and the training program i'm in is called inlp and i forget what the i is but it's i think it's institute but it's neuro linguistic programming so it's all it's like psychology it's all about how your brain works it's all about how your emotions work so i'm learning so much about my mind and all those different things um and like you said journaling was one of those practices i was i'm been terrible at meaning i i haven't felt the benefits i i don't know why i'm doing it i'm trying to learn but i my coach he gave me really good advice that's helped me tremendously and this was just last week um so the problem i was having which i brought up to him because our classes are very interactive and we just talk a lot and we can kind of uh talk about these type of things because they're very relevant but what i was doing is the power of visualization i'm uh very uh big proponent of because when you could see it in your mind it makes it real and i've had experiences in the dunk world and my training is like whenever you're uh able to see it you can kind of uh see yourself doing it it changes your body's chemistry it allows those different pathways to be carved to start achieving that so if you if you visualize something you want to achieve now your brain's in a different state and starts thinking of different ways to get there that's what i believe and i've there's like science behind it and books that i've read um but anyway so i was trying to visualize at night before i go to sleep because i learned that going when you go to sleep and before when you wake up it's those are like the best times to do visualization or meditation because your brain is like going into those it's more subconscious levels quicker and that's where you want the visualization to get into so it's in your subconscious which is freaking does it without you thinking so i was trying to do the visualization at night for example say i was trying to visualize landing a new dunk or for life coaching landing new clients and i was visualizing it sort of like meditatively and it would get me excited because i would picture myself like living a great life like landing a dunk and i would get hype and it was like making me not fall asleep because i'd get excited so i was like this is this is i can't i can't visualize at night but i want to because i want to sleep on it so i brought it up to my coach and he mentioned to me um well one thing you should do is write it out and i was like okay that's really interesting i was like do you use a computer or do you use paper uh he said definitely paper and he gave me all these reasons why and i'll tell you now it's really great so i was using computer because my handwriting is terrible and with the computer as you know i have too many thoughts the computer i can type really fast and i can get i felt like i can get all my thoughts out um and but as i don't know if you know but like the blue light you know you'd want to turn your electronics off it's not it's not healthy for trying to get to sleep so one pretty obvious one is just you want to get away from electrons when you're trying to get to sleep it helps like slowly calm you down and gets you away from that blue light so you can sleep sooner um but the other thing he said that was really really fascinating was that your hand is very connected to your your mind like your brain and your unconscious so when you like he told me about this study this is kind of weird i'm hopefully i can explain it well but if you're holding a pendulum and you close your eyes like say i tell i tell you to hold this pendulum that you could just like like shake in your hand and i tell you to close your eyes and just repeat the word yes in your head the pendulum will move a direction like maybe up and back like forward and back right and then if i say now now think of the word no the pendulum will change direction without you even knowing you just think you're spinning at the same way but it just shows you that your hand is connected to what you're thinking it has different pathways for different things that you're thinking um so since it's so connected to your your brain when you write and you're writing these things in your journal it's very connected so the way he explained it was if you're writing um for example if i'm writing my journal of visualization instead of just visualizing it's like today like act like i already achieved the goal like today i landed this new dunk and it's incredible i've been trying to land this for three months or six months and you kind of write out your emotions because you're writing it your brain kind of sees that experience as almost real so it's a very powerful visualization and then on top of it you're getting all that stuff out of your head onto paper so it's not in your head anymore so that way you get a sense of accomplishment and there's actually more i don't know if you want to hear a little bit more about the journaling techniques that are he explained i'm actually i'm just i'm interested so for example let's say journaling i think to me is trying to uh make a goal happen right come true so i'm guessing let's say and this is probably a better example but if your goal is to dunk and have one of the i don't know greatest dunks ever right um what are you are you journaling every night about that specific goal are you journaling about the workouts you did or help me understand what you are actually tracking right okay so yeah that's a good point so i kind of went over i just i always jump ahead so what i was talking about was a tech one of the techniques of journaling called future pacing so that was kind of like picking a future event and kind of visualizing it so you can feel those emotions now and you could sleep on it so you could um be in that state now and then sleep on it and wake up in that state as if you achieved it which there's a lot of benefits to but there's and the reason why i do future pacing at night is because you're about to go to sleep and when you sleep your brain is problem solving over and over and over so if you journal about the day you just had it's gonna it's gonna problem solve on the things you already accomplished so it's gonna just reinforce those things that goes back to the other thing we were talking about with the energy is a lot of people get stuck in a rut as they say because they're thinking of things that already happened and trying to fix what happened like why did what did i do wrong what did i do wrong here how did today go and they're gonna problem solve the things that are already in the past and they're gonna just keep doing the same patterns so the future pacing is the the technique i choose to do at night because i want to make progress but um i was journaling uh about things that i was uh like every day at one point i was journaling every night just trying to write down how the day went and what i learned and things like that and i think there's benefit to that but i just kind of develop the more habit of the future pacing so i'm not really sure if i'm going to go back to that uh journaling of how the day went just because i think there's more benefits to the like the day's already over you know it's already there's i'm not going to go back and look at those things that i've it might be good just kind of like in the future just to kind of see how i was doing but um i don't know it's just more about the future pacing that i think is a lot more beneficial but when it comes to the the thing that you asked which was like landing that a great dunk and what i'm doing to document it is so i think when it comes to journaling i'm only focused on the kind of visualization part i'm not really focused on mapping out my workouts i'll do that in the morning and i'll do that in on that specific day in a different task but for nighttime like before bed journaling um i wouldn't do like my problem solving i'll do more of my visualization because you want to turn off that problem solving brain so like at night i'll do like today i landed the dunk i can't believe it like i don't always do the same thing every night like i i don't know if i'll just repetitive repetitively talk about that dunk but um i definitely more it's more designed to keep you kind of motivated and kind of you know keep you going so yeah okay so like the visualization for me is kind of it's almost like a little bit of a fantasy and what what helps me what i feel is like for example another thing i want to do is like stand up comedy at one point right nowhere near it it's just kind of like a dream of mine so i'll fantasize in my little journal before i sleep like today i did my first show it went it went great or even if went bad but i enjoyed doing it and i had a lot of fun i learned about this and by the thing of me writing which i wanted to get into too is that as i'm writing this it's fun to think about and since i'm writing it it's like connected to my brain like i was mentioning that i start to feel as if i'm having that experience like right now if you just like think about how great it would be if this podcast blew up right like for your fantasizing like wow i've been doing my podcast for a year now i reached this many subscribers i reached this many people i'm gonna have this guy like maybe a dream guest come on your podcast be like and you write that out you feel excited and you feel good about it and you could say like wow today is amazing i can't believe how great it is and it all leads to gratitude and then you're going to sleep with that gratitude and you just feel so good like it literally changes the way your emotions are so touching on the concept of visualization um i know we both kind of read the thinking grow rich book at the same time and we were going back and forth like crazy like man this is so motivating and like they're just like so much to do after reading the book or as you're reading the book sometimes you have to like pause and like start you know doing some of the things that the book kind of tells you to do um and and that's so true you worked for me as well i think you know one of my biggest dreams was to own a business and get out of the the nine eight to five or nine to five environment and you know for three years i was constantly thinking about like i know it's gonna happen i just gotta prepare myself for that moment and you know just having that pattern of thought helped me become a more positive person because i used to be somewhat on the negative side you know like oh that's never gonna happen this and that but once i realized what i wanted to do and i kept listening to you know podcasts and reading all these books it helped me become more motivated and he helped that that uh like that vision come true so i i totally agree with what you're saying i think that i definitely need to do some journaling as well because obviously you're gonna like it i have tons of dreams and aspirations dude so the thing about the journaling is like i just started like the actual future page in like a week ago i still have trouble and that's one thing i i've learned about all these type of things it's not just like you pick up a journal you do it and you you're a master at it it's all like a practice and sometimes that journal is like i try to future pace and i try to think of a goal and it's like i don't i'm not like i'm not feeling it as well i was i need to do other things so sometimes i just write what's on my mind you know so i still i do i don't document what just happened in the day but sometimes i have like some thoughts like for example i write out what do i want to actually do what do i really want to do what do i how do i want to impact the world or how do i want to do this um but back to what you were saying is like when you had the vision of like what you wanted to get done which was like owning your own business going back to when i was saying um that you you want a future pace and see it and like seeing as making it real is that if you think back of all the things you've ever done you've probably already believed it was possible and you just kind of you you were visualizing but you didn't even realize it right so that's that's a pretty big powerful thing because when i did that when i i think it was in thinking grow rich they said anything you've ever done you've believed you can do it and when i think back i was like man like when i got my first dunk it was just i knew i can do it i was just like i'm just gonna i'm not gonna stop till i do it i'm gonna do it and it was just like and and then there was also times like i don't know if i can do it and it took me a while to do it and it really took the belief first to be able to do it right right no that's awesome and but so kind of jumping to another topic here i know you um you have quite a bit of different things going on like i've mentioned earlier you have your life coaching that you're getting into now uh you do some marketing on the side with some editing right um as well as training hardcore and working the nine to five jobs so how do you stay focused because you have so many different tasks i think and so how do you allocate your time like is do you have a schedule like how what's the pattern yeah okay so i'm terrible with schedules i'm terrible at making a cut like for example today i knew we had this around nine um that's like my only schedule the rest is kind of go with the flow but i do have like a general theme of like i want to today i my gym is like i have like a priority like my gym and making sure i get to the gym and have a good gym stash is the most important and that's actually been my hardest thing actually is scheduling and doing all the things i do because i do too many things but one thing um that's helped me figure out what i want to do is constantly keep building that clarity and that's kind of how i got to life coaching number one but also took a lot of time so all these things i do when it's dunking podcasting you have to constantly try to think the big picture which is what is great about the future pacing as well because when you go to future paces like what do i want to be like in a year right or what do i want to be like in two years you really think about that and be like you know what i really want to be doing this right so then it brings it down like okay so when today i worked on say i wanted to do something that's not that for the big picture but something i enjoy be like maybe i don't have time for that today for example like dancing i like to dance and learn how to dance but that's not going to get my goals in a year so it's like that future pacing helps but also i just have i've been working on learning what i actually want to do what would be my ultimate life and that clarity when you think full big picture and write it out and and practice it over and over again it's not just like one day you're gonna land on what you want to do it's just thinking about that your future and really what get to know yourself is the is the hardest part is like really know what's core to you and when you when you get down to the core of what makes you get gives you that energy and makes you happy then it'll trickle down and then you'll be able to figure out what you want to focus on for every day that's awesome and and like getting to know yourself seems like an easy like an easy question sometimes but that was probably one of the hardest hardest thing hardest things for me to understand and and to be quite honest i don't know that i i know myself a hundred percent i mean i have this conversation with some people all the time and it's like i you know today i want to do this but like in a year from today it could it could change and you know i see myself being this one person today but like you know sometimes i just my mind is always like shifting in different directions and something that i realized that it really helped me and some people i think argue against that pattern like that thought is i kind of started writing down things that i don't like doing because i couldn't figure out what i want what i like doing so i just started putting down things that i don't like doing and then that kind of helped me understand what i actually enjoy doing and spending my time on and then kind of started leading me to like okay like who's the person that i want to be and like who who how do i have to change to become that person and i don't know it's it's an interesting concept so who who is the person that you want to be right let me let me ask you this because i have a pretty i think i have a pretty good question um so in 10 years from today right so today 10 years from now yeah you wake up just like you did today and um how so how old are you gonna be then 36 36 so you wake up and so what's your vision for for that like yeah what are you doing so where do you live what do you work what do you do so um first off i gotta say i really like that you said you're still learning about yourself because i still feel like i'm learning about myself but i when i talk to anybody that's kind of how this whole journey started for me is because i'm gonna get deep for a second which is when i was a kid like i was saying i was short and i was like outgoing or whatever a lot of myself was suppressed because when i got to middle school in high school i was still that weird kid made people laugh but then my friends that were my close friends were sort of judging me like for example if i talked to another kid that they didn't weren't in the popular group they didn't want to associate with me because i was associating with him and it was really hard at that age when you're young when you're in middle school in high school because i lost those friends they didn't want to hang out with me so i was i was very conflicted with do i want to be myself and talk to these other kids or do i want to not be myself and keep my friends and so that was a very hard decision but i i chose to be myself but i was also just i was confused for a while luckily i had some other good friends that would stick by my weirdness and i met you in college too and you could tell i was kind of like just loved being myself and doing crazy things screaming all the time like live whatever it is um but the point is is i didn't know myself i didn't i i didn't trust to be myself and that's kind of why i'm on this mission now to help people be themselves because i'm glad i stuck to who i was and now i'm happier than i ever was because i realized being myself and like you said doing what you want to do and learning about yourself i feel like it's everyone's path to happiness okay i'll get back to your question now so um in 10 years from now i hope to i really want to be in a place where um all i'm doing is being able to go exactly where my energy is so if i woke up and i'm 36 i think by then i'd want like a family too like a wife and kids probably um but wake up be able to yeah hurt not have a strict wake up what's up it's like it's recorded man yeah i know it's fine um what's it called so wake up i would love to just wake up naturally early like with the sun that's like a huge thing for me to be going to sleep with the sun wake up with the sun i would love to be on the beach so i wake up with the sounds of the ocean i love that a lot definitely in like a warm climate i think about that a lot wake up do a meditation i would love to be a person that does a morning meditation right now i try to do five minutes but i barely get it in in the mornings it's i have so much energy it's hard to sit back and focus but i just try to at least think about my breath a little bit when i woke up wake up instead of looking at friggin instagram first but um so like a meditation practice and then my day would just consist of getting some sun i would love to help some people in the life coaching aspect whether it's a client or even have like a talk or a podcast i would love to continue having some kind of expressive outlet where i keep sharing what i'm learning and learning what other people are sharing too i just love that interaction um move my body like go to the gym hopefully still be athletic and still be able to do something i love to do in that way um and i would love to just be with friends and family like maybe have some new experiences where either we just have like a new day where we just hang out together or some kind of trip where i get to go see a friend or meet a friend for lunch or maybe i have a travel coming up that i love to do um and even stand-up comedy maybe another like towards the end of the night go up on stage and just have some fun making people laugh it's just um being free to do whatever i want you'd be so good at it man i really i really hope i'm gonna i'm gonna get there i'm gonna get you do that because i will buy um tickets for that show it's so crazy right just like yeah you know you know it's cool about what you just said though because i feel like a lot of people would say that in ten years from now they hope to have this much money and have you know this nice like all this nice stuff and be able to you know travel the the world whatever and to me it feels like you you're really just focusing on the experience that you can have in ten years from now and um who you can hang out with and like just and and it comes down to kind of like what i tell people all the time and it's very cheesy but like my main goal in life is to have freedom yes so i think money is very important don't get me wrong i would love to have money as well right but if i can have freedom i know i'm going to be a happier person and i know that when you're happy you're not too worried about money and things just work out and and i think we have we share the same interest yeah so the thing about freedom like you said like i didn't mention money but and um but of course money matters but like the thought of i feel like money is just like the what funds these different things but obviously i want that money to lead to that freedom so it's like i don't it doesn't really matter the amount if it allows me that freedom if i'm able to do those things i just said and money comes from those activities that's the dream that's literally the dream if i'm like if i wake up and like my podcast i make makes me money or the stand-up comedy i make makes me money or the like if i'm still doing youtube whatever all those different things that i mentioned life coaching all those different things making a speak if though a speech if i uh if those make me money and i could spend and i'm still all those different things i love and somehow the money's coming into fun travel and fund my free time to be able to do what i want that is the dream so i didn't mention money but it's definitely in there like i hope those things are making me money so that's all i have i can do all day it's just those things i enjoy because that's literally the dream life yeah man of course and i know i know we'll get there it's just uh we got we gotta be patient man it takes time and um but i think that having the right mindset um you know will help help us get there and having like a defined plan and going back to that vision visualizing like what we want to do where we want to be uh i hope that in 10 years from now we'll watch this video and be like day man like you know super exciting like look where we're at now and what we were talking about then so it'd be crazy um you mentioned patience i actually just want to touch on that because that's actually one of the things i learned this week that i am bad at is having that patience because i have so much energy as you know but it's like i was having trouble sleeping because i would try that's why i brought up the visualization to my coaches because i was trying to visualize trying to do the most and then when i was going to sleep there's different states you're in like for example sometimes you have an you're having anxiety right but then i'm learning this in the life coaching but then to get rid of that sometimes you just need to get things done like you need to be okay why am i anxious it's because i didn't get groceries i didn't do my errands today so you go do those errands and then when you do them now you can calm down a little bit and now you're calm and then you feel the sense of accomplishment and then the next stage of that is like a meditative state where you can completely let go of like today so i was having trouble and from the life coaching training i realized that when i was going to sleep even i would journal and things like that i wasn't feeling accomplished and i was like i'm trying to journal and get my thoughts out but it was just that letting go i need to realize that i can't do everything tonight and have that patience of tomorrow's another day but it's that patience is really tough because i just feel like the more i do the more i can get done but you have to remember that at some point you have to detach so you can come back and that sleep is so important dude absolutely and that is something that i struggle with as well constantly thinking about like what's next and like how can i get there and it's and you know i'm just not patient enough and it's hard because i gotta you know make myself think about it like all right leo like calm down like there's only so much you can do and so so fast you can move um a lot to me happens like during business so like you know the entire process of opening the restaurant that was like what i really really lived for i love that part it was just very challenging complicated i didn't know what to expect the day after and once i open the restaurant it's like all right what's next and um i just had to stop and realize like all right like i have this thing going on now i have to focus here first before i can like jump something else right and just keep you myself in the moment right exactly in the moment in the moment so that's what i've learned with the sleeping is like now when i go to sleep it's not like okay try to forget about that it's not i'm not saying like try to let go of doing your to-dos trying to write things down i instead i'm thinking okay be in the moment let's just enjoy i get to enjoy this sleep i got to go into dreamland i get to just fully indulge in this relaxation state and i think that's that's what switch is like instead of being patient of like thinking okay that's okay i can put it off and be patient it's like just refocusing on the exact moment so now everything i do um i just fully focus on the moment and it's it's a tough practice it's like that book live in the now i think it's by ecart toll i think it's called live in the now i know it's by him ecart tolly have you heard of it yeah no i've heard of him but i haven't read the book yet live in i think it's called on or the power of now it's something now you'll find it ecart toll it's really good i've read it but that practice of being in the now is so i'm starting to finally feel it because every moment feels better like for example this morning when i made coffee i just really loved making it because i get to have that whole morning experience when you're waking up in my i'm feel fresh and now it's like i'm in this podcast and i get to just fully engage in this conversation it's like one of my favorite podcasts i've ever done so far and it's funny because i was trying to do a podcast last night and i was feeling like i wanted to talk about all these things but i was going to post it but i didn't feel i was going to record it i mean but i didn't feel it that well and i was like i need to get to sleep and there's other things i had to do so i'm glad i waited because now i'm getting all the things i wanted to get out with you and it's just come and it's coming out so much better and so much more fresh so it's like that patience paid off again and so every time you you do the patience and you're able to practice living in the now you start to feel it a little bit more yeah no that's that's absolutely true iish every now and then when i'm on vacation i catch myself like thinking about work and stuff and it's and and sometimes i got it like i stopped and i'm like man like i don't go on vacation that often what yeah and i'm always at work so yeah why not just like stop worrying about it because that's another thing that i'm that's another mindset that i'm trying to have is like listen if something happens you can't fit like you can only fix going forward but like whatever happened in the past you can't worry about it so like if i'm worrying about things not going right at work when i'm there you know okay doesn't help me right okay yeah so that's where i think the practice of the visualization visualization is really powerful so in that moment right there what i'm trying to do from my practice which has helped me a lot is like when you have that thought and you catch yourself and you're like oh i'm thinking of the past think of the future be like oh i'm on this great vacation when i get back to work or maybe my next vacation whatever it is you'll be like everything's going to be great like for example say you had this is not relevant to us but maybe it's a little bit good of analogy say you have like a test on on a two on next Tuesday right and you're thinking to i gotta study a stressful you know instead of thinking about what you have to do even though we just said be in the moment think about like just visualize for a second turning in that test or completing it and getting a grade like of an of an a and you're like wow i really got an a on that it feels so good it's because i studied so well i was accomplished by doing that visualization and like seeing yourself in that moment receiving that a grade it literally your your brain doesn't know the difference of a real experience or a thought an experience that you're having in a thought your brain chemistry and your neurological responses and stuff and your physiology will change either way so if you're visualizing yourself achieving that grade and having that gratitude it'll fill you right into this moment now so like for example when you're on that vacation or maybe you're at work and you're stressing out you can be like oh i'm going to be on vacation next week or i'm going to get this order done like for example you have a huge order if you get it done and you visualize yourself getting it done it'll change your state now to be in that state of this as if you achieved it so then you could operate at that level of gratitude so then as you're in the now you're operating at the level of gratitude so every interaction you have with people you have that sense of like wow this is so great because you thought of the it's just it comes back to now yeah and i love that this this visual visualization topic could go on for hours yeah sorry it's no no it's it's something that i'm truly passionate about too because i didn't really know about this until i really read think and grow rich and like everything just freaking dude you got to read breaking the habit of being yourself there's more there's like science behind it because the reason i'm so passionate about it now too is because i'm learning about that and i'm reading other books and there's like more science behind it than just the like like thinking grow which was kind of just a little like uh spacey i don't know how to explain it they kind of explain the tops and they're the same but there's more science to it like with your actual brain chemistry and so for me when i learn about like the actual science and how when i think of like and i actually see that experience and like someone tells me that your mind doesn't know the difference of like something that's happening now or something you're visualizing that to me is more powerful than someone saying just go visualize it it's like it's more concrete and it makes it it makes it more real because i can i can feel those emotions like for example is a good example if you think about soccer right and you think of like a sick moment like for example like you've been practicing a move and you visualize yourself pulling it off in game and you fucking hit the goal and you and you make a goal and it was like really exciting you won the championship right if you really visualize that sit and close your eyes you your palms might get sweaty you know like you might you might get height you mentioned that because i kid you're not in high school like one of those probably like my best goals ever um and for those who play with me the sickles game uh i kid you not before the before the goal actually happened like literally five minutes like five ten seconds before i got the ball i thought i thought dude i'm gonna get the ball right now i'm gonna score yeah and i did and it's and i just had that in my mind and it was like the sickest goal ever and and i think we tied a game where i went up one we went up one one of the other i can remember but it was just like having that confidence and having that like visualization and you know it happened and it was just like so rewarding man it was crazy so that's so that that's awesome that's a perfect example that shows you that like you had that like belief for a second and you fully believed it and saw it already and it happened and then just just like so the thing is is like if you think about doing that again in the future or something that's really exciting to you it changes your body like you can have we can both have visualizations right now of like something that'll make us sweat or make us feel like good so those emotions are real they're not just like fake you know so it's like that when someone like when i learned that like i i knew that but i didn't really think to use it to my advantage you know it goes back to like that placebo effect like if it works it works and i'm like someone mentioned this i think it was on a joe rogan podcast they were saying yeah it was joe rogan but i forget who he was with if you look at placebo effect you'll probably find it but um he said this he was like the placebo effect works like we all know we've all heard of it like someone takes a placebo pill and their illness goes away or their whatever it was right even some things that you would never think like a full rash or something or a real illness some people can because they thought they took it works because they thought it was a fucking cure there something was treated so if we know that that's possible like that's a hundred percent real why can't we try to use it to our advantage instead of just like using it after there's an illness why not use it like okay if that's real why why can't we use it to try to trick ourselves in a positive direction yeah i love that so for dude hold on my dog's about a bark like crazy no problem down buddy just a squirrel um episode three with juno huh episode three get juno on the mic yeah he's a little anxious right now calm down but he can't go through the wall um but anyways getting back to so what i think this community and the people that listen to that hopefully will be listening to this a lot of people have a certain goal or dream that they wish to accomplish um and i know we're hitting on things like visualization and like journaling what is your number one advice for someone who who really wants to do something that's like a life changing moment like it was for me like changing jobs going to being a business owner and like you getting your first donk after practicing for so long what's your number one advice for um for someone who has that that wants to change but it's kind of stuck great question okay first thing i would say is think about the exact reason you want to do it like whatever it is make sure it's for you because a lot of times i even myself i've had goals of um stand-up comedy is a good one like for example i want to be i want to be stand-up comic or do stand-up comedy and there was a part of me that wanted to just do it because i want to be known as the funny person almost like my ego right right but now uh i still want to do it just because i love that energy but it's a totally different mindset i'm not doing it just to be known and i'm not trying to do it for that reason but so that was a okay example but there's sometimes people are only doing it for that reason they don't realize that they're doing it for external reasons just so my first thing is just make sure it's truly what you want to do be honest with yourself don't have any judgment but make sure you're doing things because they're true to you and it's just what a core value of what you want to do and then when you do that just map out everything about it and i would just say don't just map out what you want to do and then think about what you can do right now don't worry about like what the end goal is it could be the biggest goal there was just a um a post today by tom bill you do you know that guy he's the creative quest he's like he has an impact theory podcast i've heard him on a different podcast right yeah so he just posted something on instagram about moonshot like post your moonshot like think about what your moon goal is meaning like your ultimate goal that you want to achieve because those people that think about that achieve it more than the people that don't so the point is shoot for anything don't limit yourself but then just think about what you can do right now don't don't get overwhelmed by how far you are just think about what you now what you can do now and be grateful that you can just make little progress right now and i would just say take one little step at a time don't and then and don't worry if you make a mistake for example if i'm trying to do stand-up comedy and i fucking miss a class like there was a perfect class i can go to next week and i forgot to sign up and i'm gonna have to wait six months don't be hard on yourself just think of it as like what i can do next it's okay just keep making progress in every little step you can don't try to do everything all at once just be happy with a little bit of progress you can make now gotcha and and and that's all good feedback but a lot of it is like stay motivated right and stay on track so what what do you do to stay to stay motivated and keep going even when things don't seem to be working out as great so like i said at the beginning with the nutrition and the sleep sometimes i'll be negative like i'll find my find myself negative and for example if i even if i had a good day at the gym and i completed one of my goals or like say i did something whatever it was and i'll be like why am i doing this is this even what i want sometimes i think negative like that and when i really kind of take account of how i'm doing a lot of times if i'm thinking negative it's because i've had a really bad sleep recently and i'm like overly tired or i had really i've been eating poorly and just all my like foundational things are not in line so the first thing i say for motivation is do the the fundamentals first so make sure you're getting good sleep eating right and moving right because if you if you can't do those things then you're you're just you're not even doing the baseline so i would say start with just treating your body right and with motivation if you're doing something that you're aligned with which was like kind of the first thing i said is that that motivation is going to come from such a deep place right i don't it's going to it's going to fuel you so much more and that's why it's so important to know yourself going back we're coming full circle is like when you know yourself that well and your goal is really aligned with what you want to do it's going to fuel you fuel you so much it sounds so weird when i say fuel you when it's going to fuel you from such a deep place that no matter the ups and downs you're always going to want to do it because that's who you are it's basically just being your best self and that's it's hard to explain because i know you want like motivation techniques but i just feel like if you're going towards what you want to do you're it's going to be you're going to find that motivation to do it yeah i just guess finding yourself and finding your passion is a way to to get motivated i mean i know with me is once i discovered what my passion was which it was entrepreneurship then i started listening to podcasts about entrepreneurship and books about entrepreneurship and i didn't stop until i could accomplish you know accomplish what what i've what i did and and i mean i still listen listen and read to all of those things because it keeps me moving it keeps my brain thinking and it keeps me motivated and wanting more um so i think that's that's extremely important either um you gotta know yourself you gotta find out what you're good at and uh and then you gotta find something that just you know even even when you're doing your worst time that's that it's gonna keep you motivated so i think those are all uh valid points another yeah no go for it uh the other thing i was gonna say is that like for me i like to do a podcast i like to make youtube videos i like to train um the reason i like to do all these things is because of that motivation because when i listen to podcasts like you were saying when i listen to podcasts it inspires me and when i watch like a video on youtube that's like very high quality and someone's vlogging and they give information it inspires me to have that energy so now because i'm getting inspired by all these different platforms that inspires me and motivates me to contribute to share more so if you want to do something watch other people doing it and and i think that that's a big part of it for example if i if i listen to a good podcast on the way home and someone was like really inspirational they said something it makes me want to get on the mic and share but that's just that's i love sharing so if you're trying to do something and you're a little down on the motivation what try to watch something consume something or even just enjoy because when you enjoy and you're happy puts you in that mood to do what you love you know you just gotta follow that energy is what i usually say yeah i guess i guess that yeah that's that's a good thing i mean i guess the uh the main source of motivation is just to watch someone else do it or you know if you want to be a great football player watch the your favorite football player and just you know don't i guess don't give up until you achieve it yes and another thing on that so the thing about it too is that you can't judge yourself and you also need a break like for example like sometimes you want say you're a musician you want to make a song i had a friend that wanted to make music right he wanted to like complete a song by sunday right and he was trying so hard trying so hard and then when i talked to him on sunday he was like man friday and saturday i just couldn't i couldn't write anything i had no i had nothing i had like no passion behind it and i i just felt like he burnt himself out you know he spent monday tuesday he was so motivated but then he's trying to continue that you know sometimes you need to step away and when you step away and you're not that's where the patient comes back patients comes back is that when you step away from what you're doing it's not that you're not you're not motivated to do it is that you need a break just like anything else every if you go to the gym and you want to work out and be fit you can't do it 24-7 you have to rest you have to recover and i think anything you do has that same up and down podcasting any type of thing you ever do you need to take a little bit of break to regain some and recover and rest that's another big factor in the motivation yeah so trying to wrap things up here i think we talked about a lot of great it's there's like great content great information here but i think a lot of people have to take a certain risk in order to achieve greatness right a lot of people have to make that the choice to to take that risk for you what has been the greatest or the hardest thing risk that you've taken and and how did you deal with that those emotions yeah so i haven't taken too big of a risk now that's uh that's like crazy risky or anything i think i might be doing that soon because right now i'm in the corporate job as you know i might be trying to uh get out of that but i'm still trying to mitigate that risk i think the risk i'm doing right now was me finding myself because i like doing my whole youtube and doing all these different things i barely did anything else for a while and i still don't like there's times where um i had i i don't go out anymore like after college i stopped going out i was in my house a lot i would i'd go to work nine to five go to the gym come home and edit go to sleep same thing every day and so i was barely going out i was barely doing things um and uh luckily like a lot of my things i reached out to my friends and like kept in contact with them but i think the risk was kind of missing out on a lot of opportunities but when i think about that it's not a risk to me because it's what i want to do but it says more of a sacrifice i guess um if i think of a risk i mean i sacrificed a lot that sounds like a big risk not a risk but like you're saying the sacrifice oh it's a risk too right because you don't get to live these experiences going forward right so you're yeah kind of putting away some of the things that a lot of people our age do because you're just so focused into putting all your effort into you know your your youtube account and these other things that um you know it's but like you said one of the biggest things for me is to kind of try to live a life with barely any regrets right so i guess for you i i doubt that you're gonna look back at it and be like man i shouldn't done so many of those youtube videos because i didn't get to spend time with my friends and this never like yeah i don't think it's gonna happen i do have a risk for you so right now i'm in the it world it's a great career and me doing this um risk is that risks that career like i could easily just put all my energy into that career obviously it's not really my passion but i could put all my energy into that career and have a great career great life make great money and have a great have a great life but uh i'm sort of risking that because i'm not putting my energy into that and it's just i think that's the biggest biggest risk if i think about it because um there's no there's no guarantee that this will work out uh i want it to and i where i think and i since i learned all these different things and i think about how how the world is so and the it's just everything is just we barely know what's going on my podcast is called still spinning because the world is just spinning around that that makes me more able to take that risk because i'm like i rather do this and fail and then figure it out from there i guess right then have the stability of my it job that it's that i'm not passionate about and yeah there you go that's the biggest risk that dead for sure because like like you said if you were 100 focus at work i'm sure you'd be taking on more tasks and asking your boss how you can do better and how you can get to a certain level and right now even though that would take you probably like you know to a path that you'd be very stable like you mentioned and have a good money and good 401k and all that stuff it's not it's not what you want so you know taking that risk to invest into something else yeah i completely get it it was very similar to my transition um so my final question here is um if you had and obviously like you just got to imagine this right so love it if the entire world stopped at this second to listen to you and you had a one to two minute speech whatever um to motivate these people or to just whatever your message is whatever your core belief is whatever it is what would your what would you say to these people wow okay great question so i think about that a lot not that exact question but i think about um the world a lot i'm like what's going on and like what we don't know why we're here my whole thing like i said still spinning room is like kind of like why we're not we don't know why we're here i don't know what people's religious beliefs are if i were to talk to everybody in the world i would say we're all here together and we don't know for sure why and we don't know exactly how either we just we kind of i mean evolution but we don't know how we got here why we're here and i think to myself what's the best way to live while we're here and i think is the best way we can live is is everybody realizes that we're in this together and that the best way to to experience this is to just make it as enjoyable as possible and that's why i'm chasing what i'm chasing because i enjoy it so much and we don't even know why we're here and we don't even know how long we have and um i think we should just be super grateful that we get to have any experience that we have and i would just say try to be grateful and enjoy as much as you can and i think the best way to do that is just be true to yourself be who you are to the max and do what you enjoy and really understand that you're super unique you're you're you're born with a certain amount of dna and you have your experiences you're that you live through so your nature and your nurture so if you learn about yourself um think of yourself as that unique because no one's ever gonna have your combination of your nature and your nurture and just enjoy and what when you enjoy yourself it makes the world a better place because you're gonna produce whatever you produce whether it's content whether it's some kind of service or whatever it is you being the biggest you is what makes this uh experience most enjoyable for you and the people around you spread love love that man i love that message and i hope the entire world gets listened to this one day man that was good i've never been asked that was like the greatest question this is this whole podcast has been like the best uh outlet like i haven't had i guess i haven't had somebody talk to me about this stuff in a while so this has been amazing so i really appreciate it when you go back and listen to what you just said man it truly me being your friend for a while it truly defines um the person you are because i feel like everything you do is after fulfillment and being happy and um and having this positive energy and being able to share the energy this energy that you have with people around you and exactly what you just said kind of describes the person you are so you nailed it man um it feels good like this energy i feel right now is exactly what i want to feel more of and i want more people to enjoy hell yeah now you gotta go hit the gym and get get stuff stuff accomplished i know like like i'm sure you feel it too is like now it's like we had this great conversation we want other people to hear it you know that's like why we're not doing it for any other reason i feel like that enjoyment is so that's all we can do is enjoy we don't know anything else to do i can talk forever for sure my man hey i appreciate your time brother i know you have a big priority like you mentioned earlier go hit the gym um make sure you have a healthy breakfast and i'll see you later brother thank you so much dude thank you so much leo i had a great time best of luck with everything man all right brother have a good one see you later