 How do you feel like Dante Fowler came out of, whatever day yesterday was, came out of yesterday and into today? It seemed like he did a little bit less in team drills today than yesterday. What's that? It seemed like he did maybe a little bit less in team drills today than yesterday. Like how do you feel like he came out? It's good. Again, we're trying to be smart with him. Like he was ready to go yesterday and like I said, he's got the fresh legs. You know, these other guys are in week three through camp. But again, we got a plan to bring him along to make sure as we get through camp, everybody finds a role, come out of it and ready to go September 12th. And maybe this is just neat being due to you. Like when you have a guy in the yellow, like Ole, he's been around for a couple of days. Does that don't hit? Is that he's on? We'll keep him out. Yeah. But I mean, again, it's you can put him on there and if I put him in there if a bunch of runs and shame on me, it's for him, you know, he's out here returning to play. He's dealing with something and to let the guys know, like you get him working in 7-on-7, you get him working some of the passing reps and to know to just tag off him. And maybe I missed this. Jason Spriggs. Is there something going on? Yeah, he's just resting through something. When we signed Jason, that was the deal. You know, he was recovering from an offseason injury he had coming out of Chicago last year. So it was a long-term plan and he's a tough guy and we're just trying to make sure we're not, he's not having any setbacks, but he should be fine. It'll be a few days of rest. When we've seen Dante Fowler kind of like at his best, he's been a really dynamic presence. Are you excited about the potential of him going and getting him back to his fine performance? No, I'm excited about the potential of our defense and the finding the best guys are going to rush the passer and we may, you know, it's going to change week to week schematically what we're trying to do with all those guys. I mean, we'll see who the four or five guys are, who's up that week and what our plan of attack is on third down, but it's too early to say right now. I mean, I mean, like you get, I'm happy with Dante's done. So, but we got a lot of guys that are in there fighting for roles and he's just one of them. There was something that you were talking about yesterday that I thought was very interesting. You were talking about having to get fair evaluations and how when you're looking at it, you have to be very objective and understand if there is perspective of what you're looking at because it can change because I'm about to be terrible at training. Right. At what point in your career did that really sink in for you? I don't remember exactly when it just kind of over the years. And then it really in going into 2019, it's just something I believed in and just even the way that you go through a preseason game because different situations come up. I mean, you hope to the games even so you can stay in rhythm and you get the best you can apples to apples comparisons with this with whatever you're calling, you know, you got to see the big picture and I've been around a lot of different staffs and thankfully in position now I can make some of those decisions where keep perspective of what the preseason is. You know, if you go out there and you want to show everything, you want to out scheme everybody, that's your prerogative. But you know, if you got a battle in there at guard, you need to call the same stuff to see them actually do the job. Otherwise, you're just, okay, one guy gets the first half, things are close and you call a certain kind of plays and then you get down second half and you're calling a different set of plays, you're down, you're throwing the ball over the yard. It's not, it's not a fair evaluation. So, and then mixing the matches and making sure I can practice, okay, this guy's playing guard, make sure he gets to go against Grady. So you're trying to constantly evaluate that and it's never going to be perfect, but you got to put the big picture on perspective. That was a good thing. You're trying to win the press conferences, trying to win games during the season, and the same thing with the preseason. We want to go out and play well and we want to win, but you also got to understand there's a bigger objective as we go through the entire camp. Coach, how confident are you in that Drew Dolman's ability right now to step in and sort of play maybe two different positions right now, whether you're injury habits or just maybe how it makes the channel? Well, that's kind of a subjective turn. Look, if he's one of the guys up, whether he eventually earns a starting job or he's one of the eight guys up, we better be confident that we got the wrong guys dressed on game day. So that's what's fair to the team. So far, again, like all rookies, they're going to go through struggles, but pleased with what Drew's done with throwing at him. It hasn't been perfect, but happy with how he's progressing. Sure. Can't move it around like that. How is the sort of chemistry that you guys want on the line? Again, it's just way too early to say. That's what the situation is. You start camp. If you've got injuries, some years you may have five experienced guys, but you don't want to get complacent there. It's a fine line of making sure you've got the five guys they had enough reps together. But then they flip side of it, if you're dealing with injuries or you've got guys coming back that are maybe different spots coming off PUP, that's life in the NFL some years, where every week this guy's down. OK, who's playing left card? OK, we have a backup center. So those are all trying to problem solve us. We're going along too. So that's kind of where we're at. All right, Tom, you're right. Coach, are you at all, maybe not surprised the wrong word, because you've scattered in broad years as a free agent, but Mike Davis, his versatility to be able to bounce outside, one pass out, and he screwed one a couple of, I mean, you're going to get Deon with this couple of linebackers in the league. You beat him a couple of times. Are you surprised, or do you believe it? I was surprised. And it helps, you know, when you're putting together a staff and you've got guys that have been other spots, we've got guys that I've worked with them before. Charles and Dave are going to have been with them before. We scout them. You like what you see on film. You know people that have worked with them, coach them, maybe recruited them. And understand the role that right now, if he can do more, we're going to use him that way. So, but again, it definitely helps having guys on your staff that have worked with 3-8s in the floor. This could be a weird question, but your hat, your pullover, do you have like tradition, like superstitions or practice, anything like that? Your first year, so. Yeah, no, I don't think anybody is buying the ticket to come look at me on the sideline. So, I don't have that kind of ego. And a lot of it's just practicality, you know, that I do have more stuff in the locker. But it's just kind of getting a rhythm, you know, for that yesterday or the walkthrough, and it's grabbed the next thing. I didn't notice it. Now, I'll tell Ray, when I see him, he's wearing the same thing every day. It's starting to get yellow. So, Joey and the equipment guys down there, Hoss, need to get him a new pullover. Seriously, some guys are like hair in particular. Some guys are like, you know, that's what I'm sure about. I mean, there are certain things, yeah, sure, that I like that I'm comfortable with. But it's not like, I don't think I'm sweet and awesome. You know, I don't spend an hour like Matt LaFour does looking in the mirror before he warms out there. So, you can tell Matt I said that. The match-up, the always-into-a-watching is Christmas and Vaughn against Blake and Jerry. And how those guys kind of compete like that. Like, what are some of the attributes that you pay there that allows for solutions to kind of compete on that level against the guy that had to? Both of them. I mean, you know, you hope, look this way. Grady's done a good job, but Grady's continued. I mean, every year, you've got to prove yourself in the NFL. And Chris, same with him. I mean, it's a good battle. You hope to have quality starters like those guys going. It's only going to make them better. It's going to make our team better. And they've got a nice job. It's a healthy respect. You can see that. That's what you want. Both those guys work extremely hard. Both of them are tough guys. But it is fun to watch them compete. Mary Zuck. Yes, Mary Zuck. I wasn't taking a shot of you when I said before. So, so. Chris, like with Cam, he said he spent the off-season kind of training with a young way, and everybody talks about distance and hang time, I mean, important aspects of the job. But also, you have to hold. Yes. Talk a little bit about that. Sure. That aspect and how important that is to determine the kicks for you guys. Yeah, it's another factor. I mean, and you're right, it's one that gets overlooked a lot, but it is important. Those guys, you know, I know a couple of years stretch there when I was in Tennessee, you could tell with Bo Brinkley and Brett Kern and Suckup, you know, they had a good. Rhythm going there. So, yeah, it, it all, it does matter and it's a big factor. And if you're a great holder and, you know, your hang time is two and a half seconds and yeah, we got other issues. But chemistry is there, especially the specialists, you know, it's a unique cult. I forgot to mention yesterday, young ways, arms are definitely bigger than the Suckups too. So. As far as hang time, do you have preference to a man who has a combination of both? It just depends, you know, it takes an account, right? You know, obviously, where we play at Mercedes-Benz, you know, you should get pretty good weather, at least nine times, I guess you're saying 10 now, you get nine home games in 22 and you're only playing one in the, in the calling out of the Caesars Superdome. Yeah, so nine to 10 games, you know for sure you're going to be in door and what are you doing, you know, if you're going to get into the big directional punting game or you got a guy that can go up there and put it up there and with a lot of hang time. So take it all on the consideration. As a coffee corner kind of lost his duster, that's still part of it. You know, a great guy to talk to about that, Steve Hawkins, Steve's like, I mean, I'm not, to be honest, sincerity, Hawks been around the kicking game a long time in his league and he's a great historian of the kicking game. That'd be a great question. Just get him to talk to the Hawks, I'm serious. Steve, ask what that was, please, thank you so much. Anything else? Appreciate it, thank you. Go.