 What's up everyone welcome into the Sunday night recap presented by fan dual I'm your host Simon joined as always by my very handsome co-host Joey Wright and Jim and Jay what's up guys. What a day of football my goodness it's just been one of those days you just sit down with man. I love watching football. There were even without that game the game the game the day they were keeping me wildly entertained but absolutely who you enjoying your day of football started off with a box win over there in Germany. Yeah yeah so listen I've gotten a box win I hit my first five leg parlay today which I've done that before so I turned two dollars into forty one dollars so big big money Joey over here. Yeah McDonald's everybody tomorrow telling you what no but it's been a great day of football that you're watching a ton of football. Yeah I thought you for sure you're sitting here at my underpants watching a ton of football I was like me too man all day all day I've wanted to take a shower but so much wonderful football action has been going on I'm not due after the show like it's I am it's a pro move when the second half of those one p.m. games hit every Sunday I get my laptop and I've got a nice stand that goes on the outside of my glass walled full blast and I take a shower for 30 minutes while watching football in the shower it's the best part of every week besides this moment that I get to spend with you and everybody in the chat we got some people in the chat Dave in here saying hello friends what's up Toronto Dave welcome in and Dame with the high boys and they've gone to Simon get a haircut I did not I just put it in a gross little ponytail Dave I said the exact same thing when I came into the stream yard I was looking at it I'm trying out the ponytail look you know what I mean I think it changes who I am as a person with I think if you you grew up like the whole beard you can have a John Lennon look going a little bit you say Joey what do you think little little John Lennon and Simon um yeah here's the problem I can't grow facial hair and Dave in here with the big dove for Joey big dove for Joey indeed guys what I did but yeah the five leg parlay parlay we've not joined us here before we are here to break down today's main slate of games from a fantasy folk song perspective before we get into doing that though a couple reminders first and foremost if you are watching this show that means you are on the fan dual YouTube Facebook or Twitch channel if you're on Facebook go and hit that like button and if you're on YouTube like the video as well the easiest way to show your support for what we're doing over here and then check out fan dual across all their games everywhere they have a whole team of killer content creators helping you guys win some money and win your leagues first up guys before we start talking to games that have already happened we got one more game today that has not yet happened the Los Angeles Chargers San Francisco 49ers game taking place on Sunday night football tonight the Chargers going to San Francisco for this one the over under for this game is set at 40 what is that 45 and a point with the San Francisco 49ers being favored by seven and a half more than a touchdown favorite at home Joey that was my reaction as well though I guess maybe I'm still holding on to what I thought the Chargers were going to be not what they had yeah sometimes you know getting out of your fantasy headspace and being like oh yeah they actually pay a real game of football it's sometimes tough you know because the Chargers come into the season they had so many fantasy pieces that people were absolutely loving but they just haven't shown up with an awesome echo this year so been injured too you know yep injuries part of showing up is being healthy right and if you're not healthy you can't get out there on the field for fantasy there are some stories from this game I wanted to talk to you guys about first the running back that was maybe my most drafted running back this year besides Josh Jacobs Elijah Mitchell got injured early in the season there was hope you were holding on he's going to come back he's going to get this job back and then the 49ers go out there and sign the best running back in the NFL and Christian McCaffrey sign trade for you know trade for Christian McCaffrey ended up on the 49ers but thanks for the semantic corrections I appreciate it like going but one last you guys though is Elijah Mitchell is coming back but of course CMC is the lead back in this offense can you start Elijah Mitchell at all should he even be rostered at this point rostered yes started no we've seen you know CMC hasn't been the picture of health over the past couple of years now I know some of the injuries have been freak injuries and got shut down last year because the Panthers are really bad but Elijah Mitchell has shown in this system he can produce RV1 numbers so absolutely if he's available in your league you pick him up you stash him on your bench but you can especially you know they're getting Devo Samuel back they've got Brenna Yuki starting on lately I mean he would be like the seventh or eighth option on this team you there's no no realm of possibility of starting Elijah Mitchell right now unless something happens to CMC watch now Elijah Mitchell four carries two touchdowns gets all the goal line work and then we're gonna sit here with egg on our face Joey Jay mentioned that Devo Samuel is coming back this week so two weeks ago he did not play with a hamstring injury last week they were on by he's back in the lineup this week are you starting Devo Samuel with full confidence oh absolutely I usually I'm the guy that's like oh come back from an injury let's let's you know let's pump the brakes let's you know let's let's wait and see but with Devo I have full confidence let's roll him out there yeah I'm with you if you've got Devo you're playing Devo he's the man in that offense him and CMC are gonna be the focal points going forward I believe on the other side of the ball for the Chargers their duo of star wide receivers Keenan Allen and Mike Williams out again neither one of them will be playing sleeper dropping that brutal update midweek I believe Dame was the one that came in and told us about it said Keenan Allen out again or what was the words that it used it was something like like yet again Keenan Allen missed practices or something like that like sleeper just kind of rubbing salt in the wound with that one but with Keenan Allen and Mike Williams out Josh Palmer is in line to be the top target on this team again Joey how high your expectations for Josh Palmer in this game going up against this 49ers defense so I had Joshua Palmer as like a borderline wide receiver two so he's a wide receiver three for me but I had him as a wide receiver two looking at the landscape of how the receivers have performed today it's going to be tough for him to get into that wide receiver two category so there's been a lot of great performances today but I expect something I think the last time I predicted Joshua Palmer I said five receptions for 50 yards and a touchdown and that's exactly what he had and I just wanted to say that but no tonight I would expect maybe a little bit less so maybe like 5 for 40 and no touchdown 5 for 40 minutes yeah I mean that's a reasonable line to set for a guy stepping into this role right Jay are there any other pass catchers in this offense with Mike Williams and Keenan Allen out that you're elevating yeah I think DeAndre Carter is a flexible player everything can't go to Joshua Palmer and you know as we've seen all year Gerald Everett has really played well and especially Keenan Allen has been out but I think if you're you know have the bi week blues you need somebody to plug in I think you can go with DeAndre Carter absolutely before we move on from this game real quick score predictions Joey who's winning this game what's the score San Francisco 24 Los Angeles Chargers 18 we'll give him a weird number 24 18 with a weird number Jay I'll let you go last on this one I always put myself last but I'll let you pick last year and I'm gonna I'm gonna go with the 40 49ers here as well and I think 49ers will pull this one out by a final score of it's gonna be a gross low scoring game I will say 17 to 10 with the 49ers coming out on top I was gonna ask you guys do we want to do a Sunday night I don't want to always bet but with the spread because I think the 49ers are gonna smoke the Chargers I think we're looking at like a 24 to 10 type of game okay I'll do it I'll do it with the spread I bet the Chargers cover I'll take the Chargers plus seven and a half Joey what side would you be on I didn't have him covering did I you did not have him covering so you me but if you if you want to change that let's talk no no no and speaking of bets I think we're gonna have to have somebody pay off here in a second yeah I owe Joey not to form a bet not to form a bet from the Thursday afternoon show on Thursday we will get to that bet during today's show Jay make sure you're not getting out of that one never dream of it that's it for this Sunday night football game Jay unfortunately it's the time of the show where we're going over all the injuries that took place today not the best part about fantasy football but something we got to talk about and there were quite a few today you want to run us through what went down on the yeah we had a last week we were pretty lucky we didn't have that many many injuries from a fantasy perspective this week is quite the opposite this juicer took a really hard hit on a game against the Jaguars it was a concussion he was ruled out almost immediately he had to be helped off the field who knows when he's going to be back it did not look good so just keep an eye out Zach Hertz left the game early with the knee injury at the time that I wrote this he was not back I don't know if he came back from the game past that but it didn't look like it was anything too overly serious Jerry Judy was carted off the field in his game against the Tennessee Titans now rumor has it that they think they dodged a bullet Nathaniel Hackett said after the game that they're still have to do some further testing but it looks like it was more of a heel injury versus the dreaded ACL so further testing just keep an eye out for that tomorrow we'll see what type of time he's going to miss if any at all Cooper Cup as we were sitting here getting ready for the show Simon was telling me and I went and looked at the replay he went down but did not look good grabbing the back of his leg so man the Rams just cannot catch a break this year hopefully it's nothing serious for Cooper Cup but we're waiting on word for that Leonard Fournette left the game early with a hip injury in Germany and Rashad White came in and looked really really good so they are going on by this upcoming week you should have plenty of time to heal it didn't look like it was anything serious and then Khalil Herbert also left the game the Bears versus the Lions a little early as well with the hip injury it was very light in the game so we don't know if it was just what kind of seriousness it is and if he's going to miss any time but it's something to keep an eye on as well not fun hopefully all these players are getting better there's some scary ones this week that Juju one was pretty scary to watch and then you can see Justin Jefferson just the absolute menace that he is after the touchdown and then he walks in with his leg and pretend to get in like it was the same one that Jamar chased it like he starts hopping and grabbing the back of his leg I was like dear god Justin Jefferson pleat and then just walked it right off walked it right off come on Jay Jets we had some people in here ready for today's show as well Dame what's up Dame glad to have you in here Mr. Scamper saying hi hi hi hi Mr. Scampers and Albert with the hello everyone hello Albert glad to have you in here Jay was just commiserating the loss of his fantasy team multiple players now going down injured lost Reese Hall hopefully Cooper Cupp's not out long term had Mike Williams not looking too good what's doing very well not so much anymore because these 4pm games are still underway we're going to go over what's been going on so far first up I wanted to talk about this Dallas Cowboys Green Bay Packers game yeah so Dallas and Green Bay actually tied going into the half and then Tony Pollard scored a go ahead rushing touchdown midway to the third quarter since then Aaron Rodgers went out of the game for a little bit had an injury but came right back in so he's fine two Christian Washington touchdowns in this game including a beautiful 58 yard touchdown that was sexy it was super sexy Aaron Jones also had a 12 yard touchdown and score right now is I'm looking at 28 21 on the Dallas side Dak Prescott three touchdowns and a pair of interceptions CD Lamb has arrived 10 receptions 135 yards and two touchdowns at the last time I told but I need more now has it gone up I don't know he's got 10 receptions 135 yards and two touchdowns perfect you forgot to say it out loud but I'm sure Alan Lazard was very productive in this game right like we touched on surely we saw a lot of Lazard right? Nope Lazard no longer the lizard king Dalton Schultz had a first half touchdown and the only question we have coming out of this game is like with Dak back Schultz is healthy do we think that Schultz is out of that tight end glob now seven targets five receptions a touchdown you're you're pretty happy with that right you're pretty happy with the volume and in this offense he's a threat to score every single week so I think he's out of that glob he's a must start you know he's not in the level of the Mark Andrews and the Travis Kelsey's obviously yeah but he's out of the glob Tony Pollard's had a pretty good game with Zeke being out Malik Davis Tony Pollard should be the starting running back on this team Jerry Jones will not let that happen but I agree with you but yeah so Tony Pollard 18 carries 88 yards and a touchdown couple receptions for receiving yards but yeah so we'll see what happens with the rest of the game still at 28-21 but I believe Green Bay is down there close right now they just switched over on the red zone yeah they got the bomb a couple minutes left here in the fourth quarter we'll see if Green Bay can pull it out you mentioned they were tied at half time but it felt entirely different for both teams like it felt like Green Bay was like hell yeah we're tied at half time in Dallas like what the hell happened we are tied at half time like just like completely unaware Ethan here want to know can I ask you a fantasy question of course and everybody else watching if you've got fantasy questions for us throw them in the chat Ethan John wants to know should I trade Tua and Leonard Fournette for Brandon Nyuk, Odell Beckham Jr and Ramon Dre Stevenson Joey are you making this trade Tua Tonga Viloa and Leonard Fournette for Brandon Nyuk, Odell Beckham Jr and Ramon Dre Stevenson so without any context just looking at the trade on the surface let's assume one quarterback right yeah Ethan if you can throw who your starting quarterback would be if you got rid of Tua because that makes a big difference for me it really does I mean we are do we know where Odell is going I mean I've heard Green Bay and I've heard Dallas heard Green Bay I've heard rumors the Giants he might return to the Giants but even you know even though he's clear to return that doesn't mean he's going to be ready to play you know he's going to sign to somebody he's got to learn the playbook he's got to get back up to speed from everything that I've read here recently it's going to be mid to late December before he's ready to make a fantasy impact so I think the Odell hype needs to die down just a little bit um I think it's going to be hard for him to do what he did last year you know he switched teams last year but it wasn't due to injury he was released and did they was he released or was he traded I don't quite remember I think he was released right I don't remember well it doesn't matter well no but it wasn't due to injury he just changed teams you know there's a big difference of that and then coming back from the devastating injury that he came back from in the Super Bowl so I love Remandry Stevenson I just it's tough unless you've got you know one of these top five QB's at Justin Fields Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen it'd be hard for me to trade to yeah if you tell me you had Justin Fields I would say go ahead and smash this trade because you're getting you can Remandry who I like rest his season a lot um but I mean if you got Kirk Cousins behind to I don't necessarily know if I'm making this trade Daddy Kirk doing big things today though in that game yeah can't wait to see the video of them in there but like he's just going to be covered he's going to be a boom man and to show in glitter or something you know like it's going to be unstoppable I don't mind this trade but it is going to come down to the back of quarterback for me Remandry Stevenson Leonard Fournac and Parable Remandry Stevenson's not injured right now though so that makes it maybe a little bit leaning that way for me Brandon Ayuk is a very startable fantasy wide receiver but you can't just go to like Zach Wilson as your next quarterback if that too was on the wave of wire if it's a Geno Smith if there's a Justin Lawrence I'm comfortable doing this like that's a good enough quarterback for me to make this move but there's got to be someone relevant in there anything else on this game before we move on to the Arizona Cardinals Los Angeles Rams game that's about it I had more receiving yards than Mercedes Lewis today there we go and he said is QB's Jalen Hurts yep I make that deal 100% that is you got Jalen Hurts as your quarterback make that trade right now beautiful beautiful Ethan John this next game guys we've got the Arizona Cardinals Los Angeles Rams game the Cardinals up 27 to 10 in this one and honestly that's a generous 10 points for the Los Angeles Rams based on what we saw from this team we already mentioned the Cooper Cup injury but before he was injured he still was not doing much in this game he had negative one receiving yards in the first half his lowest in a half in his entire career that being said both of these teams are playing with their backup quarterbacks we've got John Wolford in for the Los Angeles Rams and Colt McCoy in for the Arizona Cardinals there's not much I'm taking away from the receiving options on the Rams side here not the Matthew Stafford's been great but John Wolford obviously isn't Matthew Stafford the running backs though it's pretty interesting pretty even split between Cam Acres and Darryl Henderson Darryl Henderson punching that touchdown in Joey you mentioned this morning you answered Darryl Henderson on our morning show this morning as someone that maybe you could start not as an excited start but like I can start him are you viewing Darryl Henderson like if you have to pick one of these backs to be on your team rest of season is it Acres or is it Henderson Oh it's Henderson I think Cam Acres is one of the worst running backs in football I really do for his role on the team I'm not even being funny like where he was being drafted this year was disgusting and you'll never hear me get this passionate on a player that I don't like exactly to go to Florida that he went to Florida State I've never gotten over it but seriously and I just don't think Cam Acres is as good of running back as Darryl Henderson and I was excited to see Kyron Williams today I was hoping he was going to be a little better to maybe leapfrog Darryl Henderson but for rest of season I still think it's Darryl Henderson Henderson yeah I'm with you I have zero interest in having Cam Acres on my team he just hasn't looked good out there he has not looked good Darryl Henderson has looked like the better running back on the other side of the ball James Connor coming in 21 carries for 69 yards and two touchdowns on the ground absolutely killing it Jay is James Connor and every week started the running back position 100% absolutely I think he's finally getting healthy he's the goal line back this team has really needed somebody like him you know Benjamin did okay but this offense has kind of been up and down it looked like the Colt McCoy especially that first drive looked a little more cohesive than it has I'm not trying to say that Colt McCoy is a better quarterback than Kyler because that's obviously not true but I think a little more balance will do this team some good they're going to be getting Marquis Brown back hopefully sometime soon you know healthy James Connor healthy Kyler Murray you know this offense could really turn it around here and as they showed you know they've had a good game against one time was considered a really tough defense in the Los Angeles Rams I don't know what's happened this year but yeah I think James Connor is a high end RV2 who can definitely put up some RV1 weeks Albert in here with the update Christian Watson with another touchdown three touchdowns for Christian Watson today and how many people started them there was somebody I'm trying to look and see who it was a good friend of ours was pumping up Christian Watson today and I got to find it to give a shout out because they said today is your last chance to get Christian Watson before he blows up so I got to look up see who that was the thing with James Connor that excites me is maybe something similar to what the Bills did today with Josh Allen and Devin Singletary with we know that Murray is injured going forth so maybe you'll see James Connor get a lot of that red zone inside the 10 rushes like he did last year when he had all those touchdowns so if you look for that maybe they're going to protect Murray and he doesn't run in the end zone as much yeah I mean to your point Joe he had what 15 rushing touchdowns last season and it's because of them using him down there on the goal and if he's going to get that work then you got him have you got to have him in your lineups every single week there's seven seconds left in this one with the Cardinals up by 11 so you know we learned today not to say a game is over until it's all the way over but this one looks pretty much done this one looks like it's in the books for the Arizona Cardinals we have one more four p.m. game going down this one is over the Indianapolis Colts the Jeff Saturday led Indianapolis Colts with Matt Ryan back under center take down the Las Vegas Raiders 25 to 20 before we jump into that I did find it it was our good friend Justin Henry what a surprise that guy is one of the sharpest guys that I know he said last call and getting Christian Watson for free been trying to get him involved in all the past two weeks but he got injured match up against a tough Dallas D I still expect him to get high uses so shout out to our good friend Justin Henry called a big game from Christian Watson today but Jeff Saturday I mean he's obviously going to the Hall of Fame now right for as a head coach we'll need to win at least one more game but then I think he made possibly the easiest but smartest decision that's been made by a head coach on the Colts and Matt making Matt Ryan the starter right before the game which was unexpected I thought he would be back under center before the season was over but it was nice to see that they made the right call Saturday said that he thought Ryan gave them the best chance to win and obviously that's the case Jonathan Taylor you know a lot of people were expecting him to potentially be shut down or you know still have this lingering high ankle sprain but boy that he looked like the Jonathan Taylor of 22 carries 147 yards and a touchdown chipped in two catches is JT back yeah I mean JT he can put up 147 yards this isn't a defense that is difficult to beat right but he looked like Jonathan Taylor back out there was that like 60 something yard touchdown run was just beautiful and then he outran the defenders I mean like they were on him and he just said see you it was sexy now four rushes 38 yards is he now somebody you would consider a Konami coach quarterback or a display Paris Campbell with 7 catches 76 yards and a touchdown Michael Pittman also had 7 catches for 53 yards they both tied for 9 targets the team lead you guys think Paris Campbell is worth picking up for somebody you should keep an eye on 100% before St. Helger came in like for the Colts the Colts coaching staff was talking about Paris Campbell and we saw him and Matt Ryan together and Matt Ryan was giving him a ton of usage so like I am going out and I'm getting Paris Campbell on every team I can sorry when you mentioned this game the first name I saw I was excited I want Paris Campbell back on my teams I dropped him because Erlinger was not using right Matt Ryan will you can't blame me for that I mean people in redraft leagues debated dropping Michael Pittman Paris Campbell so cool Joey hit it Paris Campbell was heavily involved before St. Helger came in where he was borderline every week startable with the amount of target volume that he was getting he was similar to like the Rondell Moore the Curtis Samuels where they were just getting heavily heavily targeted not necessarily down the field shots but they were PPR place and if Matt Ryan is going to be the starter here then I want Paris Campbell in my line-ups most weeks good team we got Jail in the chat saying yo what's up Jail and he said did Simon get a haircut or is it in a ponytail and can I see the ponytail ask number four there there it is I like it it looks good on you it does I feel like you should get some beads in it though it's a little dirty and I mean that in the best way possible it makes me feel a little sleazy we got geek in here as well what's up geek welcome in glad to have you here what else to add for on the the Raiders side of the ball their car had a ok game Devonte Adams had a big game Foster Moreau made a fantastic catch in the end zone it was a pretty throw by David Carr as well Jacobs had a good game but I mean guys is Josh McDaniels going to get fired like this weekend like is he going to make it to the next game as they get coached again the Raiders or are they going to give him a little more time who's the best center the Raiders ever had and is he retired because if so um you know we've seen what retired centers can do as coaches in the NFL so I think it's John Wednesday if I'm not mistaken is the best I've ever had so they might want to call him up I don't think the same Sammy Tuesday actually it seemed a little premature to fire Josh McDaniels I know this Raiders team is performing unbelievably horribly but I don't know I feel like Josh McDaniels was like a target candidate for them know what I mean someone that they really wanted coaching this team I imagine he has a little bit more of a leash than someone like Urban Meyer did whenever he was in Jacksonville so and also Josh McDaniels isn't like groping coeds in bars so there's not off the field issues it's just that on the field product and I think they give him a little bit more time who are they going to get midway through the season that's going to make this better I not Urban Meyer not Urban Meyer I think what JL said John Thursday I think he'd be better than speaking of JL he called Foster Moreau as a start this morning we had a little not a disagreement but it was Cole Comet or Foster Moreau and we both we both won everybody had a good game good job JL my favorite part this morning though is we were like you know Cole Comet like he can't have two touchdowns again oh yes he can have two touchdowns again spoiler alert and there was a moment where like we also said like Justin Fields can't break the rushing yard director two weeks in a row and there was like a point in that game where I was like maybe he does like he might do it two weeks in a row but he ended up pulling I can't wait to talk about Justin Fields and it's going to be so exciting guys we're going to move on from this Colts Raiders game save all of the Raiders fans out there any more pain you're already feeling I think he gets fired this week I think you're going to you think he gets fired I do not think so who gets fired first Josh McDaniels or Jimbo Fisher at Texas A&M I don't know anything about college football probably Jimbo Fisher just due to the FSU connection absolutely I'm with you Joey I hated him at FSU and now that he's at Texas I have just had so much fun watching Jimbo Fisher just fail at every step of the way at Texas A&M I'm sorry I didn't know I think Jimbo Fisher left Florida State he threw his Christmas tree out and it was like before Christmas he threw it out to the end of the street like everybody knew he was gone he threw his Christmas tree out that was a good day and it's never been the same for him since as we get for throwing out your Christmas tree early you got to travel with that thing guys our next game we're going to talk about is this 9.30 a.m. game that we had in Germany the first game ever first NFL game played in Germany I'm out for you Joey yeah they did I was up for it too Buccaneers avoid a Seahawks comeback in Munich Germany to win their second straight game 21-16 I didn't even need me in attendance this week to get it done Buccaneers scored two second quarter touchdowns to take a 14-0 lead going into the half Seattle had a good drive midway through the third quarter ended up costly strip sack which the Buccaneers then drove down the field to take a 21-3 lead Buccaneers needed to win the game although Geno Smith did throw two touchdowns to Tyler Lockett and Marquis Goodwin to try to make a comeback but the Buccaneers still won so yay go Bucs Buccaneers Tom Brady 22 for 29 275 passing yards and two touchdowns and one interception this was Brady's first multiple passing touchdown performance in the last six games is he back I don't know but hopefully he is back soon Leonard Fournette still in Germany he is still in Germany you know it's funny real quick I was at the Bucs game last week and there were two guys that booked their trip to Tampa two years ago to see the Buccaneers play and they were from Munich Germany and they were there last week and they had no idea the Bucs were going to be in Munich this week yeah they just announced it last year right so they traveled all this way to see like their lifelong dreams to see the Buccaneers play did they go today too or did they they were staying because they booked a two week trip they were sitting right in front of us at the game so they booked a two week trip so that they would get a home game and all we felt so bad for them but they are in pretty good spirits wasn't just so they get a home game whenever Europeans plan a vacation they do a full vacation like it's like two weeks minimum anytime we had family come visit our friends from the Netherlands they were here two weeks that was a short trip so they were going to get a home game in there absolutely Leonard Fournette 14 carries 57 yards and a touchdown before leaving in the fourth quarter with a hit pointer but they got the buy cone up next week so I'm not sure if Leonard Fournette healing up will save him from what happened else in the game with the running game Rashad White 22 carries for 105 yards and most important stat for Rashad White today was the start he got the start over to Leonard Fournette so if Leonard Fournette does miss any time with today's injury do you still see Rashad White as the lead back for the Buccaneers or is this more of a time share going forth the rest of the season guys I think I think Rashad White has carved his roll out I mean they showed that they were willing to give him the start he looked good I mean he had a Derek Henry Esk stiff arm and just threw the Seahawks defender it was absolutely phenomenal he looked explosive on the field Tom Brady was looking to him when he would get trouble I think Rashad White is definitely somebody you can from here on out is going to be flex worthy and if Leonard Fournette misses any time I think he slides in right away as a rock solid RB2 and you know he didn't throw a really ugly interception like Leonard Fournette did today as well so you have to count that for something yeah I definitely agree with you if Leonard Fournette misses time Rashad White's a must start if Leonard Fournette doesn't miss time if he's playing he's still a can start but Joey I do think it's more of a time share between these two guys whenever they're both healthy they've got two great backs and a team that has had struggles offensively there's no reason why they shouldn't use both of these guys keep them healthy down the stretch and they're still competitive in this division know what I mean they've had a disappointing season but they're in the lead in this division they should win and they should be looking at a playoff run it doesn't matter if they had a disappointing first half so they're going to keep these backs healthy they're not going to just run one of them into the ground they could go to Tampa as well I've heard that rumor so you know that's what they need more receivers yeah we're going to talk about an old who everyone thought was washed up receiver in a second here surprisingly no one Chris Godwin Mike Evans led the way in the receiving game for the Buccaneers Chris Godwin six receptions 71 yards and a touchdown Mike Evans five receptions for 54 yards but the Buccaneer I want to talk about is future Hall of Famer Julio Jones three receptions 53 yards and a touchdown so this is Julio Jones second touchdown game of the season and he's seeing about four targets a week as part of this offense do you have any interest in rostering Julio Jones rest of season Julio Jones is the epitome of the like by week fill in wide receiver for me right now he's not going to be the first or second option on this team but we know how talented he is hopefully this Bucs offense gets it going and with four or five targets you're just crossing your fingers and hoping that Julio touchdown Jones makes an appearance for you I do not expect him to be fantasy relevant week in week out just with the other receiving options they have here but you can do a lot worse as a by week fill in and reminder week 14 we have another big by week situation coming up six teams on by or is that week 11 I know we've got one more week with six teams on by but you're going to need to find some by week fill in in the next coming weeks Jay, what do you think about Julio? Simon said everything I want to say perfectly he's not somebody I'm excited to get my lot up but you know last age effort you know you're hoping that he gets it stop some. I really thought they were going to use Julio kind of like going to jump all situations kind of like with you with Mike Evans but just take some pressure on Mike Evans and that's not really what they've done. I don't understand why Atlanta never did that for that's one of the things that has just never made sense to me. When Atlanta did that you know what happened? Julio scored a touchdowns exactly what happened let's see what else we got in this game going on Seahawks out about Seahawks were in this game too not just the Buccaneers and I need to take my hat off a little bit sometimes Geno Smith 23 for 33 275 yards two touchdowns and 22 rushing yards so another solid performance from Geno Smith and this brings me some news broke before the game that the Seahawks and Geno Smith will have contract extension conversations to make him the Seahawks quarterback going past this season does this now make Geno Smith a dynasty asset Simon? Yeah I mean Geno Smith has played great this year especially for fantasy purposes and if he's going to be their starter next year and they're going to have Tyler Locken they're going to have DK Metcalf you should be on the lookout for Geno Smith and Dynasty Leagues especially in the Superflex Leagues right like he is a must start every single week in Superflex and in single quarterback leagues he honestly is still a must start it just comes down to like how long do you think Geno Smith will be the starter here for the Seahawks how much longer in his career does he have how old is Geno Smith 32 I just looked it up perfect thank you Jay that was a good stat gotcha man the classic what did he like the classic like year 7 breakout the classic year 9 breakout for quarterback because he didn't know expected textbook he's at the quarter out Patterson a quarter past I mean except that you should really be looking for him Dynasty I think he's one of those like that that $1 scratch off that you $100 and you're excited about but you can't really expect to keep going back for those $1 scratch also keep hitting $100 I think you know if you need like a QB3 in Superflex I think you're happy to hold on to him I'd be trying to trade him if I could if somebody believes that he is the long-term answer I could definitely see him being the starter next year I just look it up the Seahawks right now because they have Denver first round pick have a top 10 pick in next year's draft one that is widely considered to be a very very deep quarterback class I would not be surprised to see them still take one of these high-end quarterbacks next year you know maybe Gino starts the year but we've seen you know not necessarily this extended period of time but we've seen flashes from Gino Smith you know it's still very possible for the other you know the shooty drop and him to come back to earth and be the Gino Smith that we saw with the Jets so I would try to sell high personally in Dynasty especially with these rumors that they're working on a contract extension I love Gino Smith I think he's one of the most stand-up guys in the entire NFL from what I've seen and what teammates have said about him but I don't think he is a long-term solution when it comes to fantasy man I the one thing I do want to add is like we talk about this quarterback class being great well it's great because there's two guys named CJ Stroud and Bryce Young who are pretty much going to be the number one and number two picks in this year's upcoming NFL draft so in order for teams to like be considered in that sweepstakes like I understand top 10 pick they're gonna have to move that plus their other first round pick plus future first to move into one of those top two spots because it's going to be highly competitive to try to get one of these guys and if there's teams like the Lions and another quarterback needy team with those first two spots you may be unable to pry those picks away from them regardless of what you're willing to offer I know that's how excited people are about this so it's going to take things falling into place for them to be in that conversation and I'm I'm good rolling with Gina I think his eyes a little bit safer at least going into this next year. I think they are in that position with having multiple first round picks and extra picks that they have from from Denver so that's that's part of my reasoning as well as I kind of expect them to make that move to try to find that quarterback could be completely wrong but that's my take. Makes sense. Okay. Kenneth Walker talk about running backs in this game had difficulty running on the Buccaneers today with 10 carries for 17 yards but he did finish with six receptions 55 yards so that kind of saved his day in PPR leagues. The usual suspects in the Seahawks receiving game DK Metcalf six receptions in 71 yards Tyler Lockett with three receptions in 42 yards and a late enough touchdown to where I didn't get to except on the show this morning about it so that's all I got from this game good Buccaneers win hopefully they keep this going. Yee-haw! Good Bucs win it's more fun when the Bucs are good. What's up Grim? Grim was debating all week on what to do in their survivor league somehow still alive going into week 10. They originally had the Falcons over the Panthers and changed it last minute to the Detroit Lions and moved on in the survivor league. My man Grim and his next line the advice I gave Grim families do not listen to me because you're the one who's alive in week 10 and you're the one who's gotten it right every single time and Grim said you were right Simon to not take your advice. That's my advice at least on survivor leagues Well done Grim, well done that's fantastic. I full on told Grim to start the Bears or to play the Bears. I think I said Bears as well so don't listen to us whatever survivor picks we tell you Survivor leagues this year have been absolutely brutal we also got DJ and you say what's up thank you Viking's Jets one game out of first that is wild that the Jets are one game out of first in that division guys we're going to move on to our next game here a shootout between the Detroit Lions and the Chicago Bears but like Grim said the Detroit Lions pulled this one out 31 30. Yeah you know what I was he got to be happy for a guy like Dan Campbell to pull out a win like this as much as he he cares you know he's been a darling all over the internet ever since hard knocks but Jared golf the Lions pull out a win despite of his mediocre day 236 passing yards one touchdown honestly he's nothing more than a matchup based super flex play or by week replacement he's not somebody you're looking to get in your lineups every single week Jamal Williams continues to play well with the volume that he's seeing 16 carries 59 yards in a touchdown country swift only saw six carries for six yards he did chip in a catch for an additional six yards since returning from injury the under swift has yet to see more than six carries and he scored single digits in fantasy points two out of the three games obvious that they're trying to ease him back and ease him back into action but the under swift really possesses upside very few backs do in fantasy Joey will start with you is the under swift a buy a sell or a hold I think you have to hold him because if you sell him you're not going to get anywhere near what he's worth um yeah I'm holding him I have him on would say now are you willing to try to trade for him yeah I would I would go out and buy him but I'm not sure what I would want to get like maybe what Leonard for and if I could send Leonard for that's the name that popped into my head as well and for that but no I mean in my main league I've got Deandra Swift and I started him this week and I think I got 9.2 points out of him and a PPR league and I'm like yeah okay I'll live with that I got a touchdown and luckily I had other players at Justin Fields that showed up so that made up for that but you know I think better days are ahead for Swift I'm holding him for now I but I'm I'm not going to try to sell him if I can they've got no incentive to rush right this is a bad Lions team with no playoff aspiration sitting there at three and six after this victory why risk DeAndre Swift getting injured if he's not fully healthy that being said you start DeAndre Swift like unless you have two other good options maybe he moves down in your pecking order he's in he's a back end RB 2 now until we see it back on the field but that being said back end RB 2 start on most fantasy football lineup so you're probably still just plugging them in and holding your nose and hoping for that touchdown would you be looking to trade for him or trade him away I'm not looking to trade for him I think if I have him I'm holding him I'm not trading him away at this value unless someone's willing to pay more than what he's been doing since he's been back from this injury he's probably a hold hold him play yeah that's fair absolutely I'm in raw St. Brown bounce back with a big game 10 catches for 119 yards on 11 targets no other Lions players saw more than three targets he's really he's the only trustworthy receiver on this team locked in as a high end wide receiver 2 rest of season borderline wide receiver one in my opinion on the bare side of the ball Justin Fields didn't throw for a ton of yards but he did throw for two touchdowns and he did his damage on the ground once again 13 carries 147 yard two rushing touchdowns for four total touchdowns he is on absolute fire and is locked and loaded as a must start regardless of format any disagreement there no Maya I think I've told you guys about the preposterous league my girlfriend's in before she is in a league that gives half a point per rushing yard and touchdowns are still only worth six so that means that what 12 rushing yards is worth the same as a touchdown she drafted two quarterbacks in that league Lamar Jackson and Justin Fields and she has just been on a freaking tear no one can touch her team when her quarterbacks are running for 147 yards like absurd no it's one quarterback you gotta pick each week I think you're doing a okay if you're having to pick from Justin Fields and Lamar Jackson right now yeah you're pretty happy 147 yards isn't that the same amount of rushing yards Jonathan Taylor had today Justin, Jonathan Taylor Fields and then you throw in a couple hundred passing yards on top of that as well just it's a fantasy cheat code 167 passing yards I'm very excited of Justin Fields I want to put a caveat in there I have been championing Justin Fields for weeks now but starting in week 13 he has a match up against the Packers who are giving up the second least amount of fantasy points to quarterbacks before today's game then he's got his buy then he faced the Eagles and then he faces the Bills I would be scared of having Justin Fields in the playoffs so if you have Justin Fields go out and in the next couple weeks get a good back of quarterback because in week 17 he's got the Lions again we saw what happened today so it's a little scary like you've got Fields because you want to ride it and you want to see him do great and he will the next couple weeks I'm just afraid once week week 13 hits that he might end up losing some people some championships would you consider looking to trade him like let's say if you have a solid probably it's possible to have like a Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes or something like that but one of those lesser guy like what about if you have Joe Burrow and Justin Fields would you be willing to go out I'm just looking like Burrow is a name I would look at I'm looking at the schedules right now and you should really look this far ahead a lot can happen but to a schedule in the playoffs is worse than Fields is so it would be hard for me to find someone to trade for Fields because he's doing so good right now and the next couple weeks he will be great still so it's so tricky yeah well Khalil Herbert out carry David Montgomery 10 rushes to 9 and out produced him 57 yards to 37 yards over the last three games Herbert has only had five less carries but he's out rushed him 179 yards to 126 and he scored the only touchdown between the two now I know Khalil Herbert did leave the game early with an injury hopefully it's nothing too serious if he is healthy and returns next week which running back do you want from the Bears Khalil Herbert or David Montgomery David Montgomery I know Khalil Herbert is still getting the work but Joey and Jail mentioned it earlier today David Montgomery Joey you said this is the last year of his contract right and then he's a restricted free or restricted free agent after this season so I do feel I believe you're about to say that they're going to just ride him to the wheels fall off absolutely and that's what's going to happen you threw that out there this morning and I think it just makes sense it's the last year they've got Khalil Herbert ready to go they know they can trust him David Montgomery is a good running back I expect him to get more work down the course of the season and he's the one that I would want to start week in week out 100% agree I think they're going to ride David Montgomery like I said to the wheels fall off and Khalil Herbert 100% the Bears running back starting next season I think it's going to be a 50-50 split and I like I like Khalil Herbert just a little bit more I think he's a better running back I think you know outside of injury I think both guys are startable but I'm stashing Khalil Herbert everywhere I can in case he does take over I think he's got he's got some pretty high upside Khalil Herbert had a big game you know like you guys said two games in a row two touchdowns seven targets turned them into four catches and one of them was a 50-yard bomb from Fields so I will take Grimm's question and mold it into my own one is Cole Comet a buy after this performance is he a must start is he somebody you're looking to start every single week week in week out this upcoming week plays against a very bad Atlanta Falcons defense yeah I'm going to play Comet in my tight end position if I don't have Kelsey if I don't have one of the big tight end so I don't recover Andrews if he's back Dalton Schultz Dalton Schultz okay because I do feel like with Dak Prescott back Dalton Schultz that's what he needs to be great and he was last year as a tight end three last year I expect him to return to something about that this year with Darren Waller now on the IR and George Kettle not necessarily looking like George Kettle throughout the season I am not certain that he's an every week start and that he's not out of this club this is still a run first team pretty heavily they're passing volumes gone up in recent weeks but still they're throwing the ball a little bit more than 20 times a game on average around that like 22 throw mark past two weeks he's gotten six targets seven targets but prior to that Colt Comet two targets three targets three targets four targets three targets three targets it's been two weeks two great weeks seven targets six targets two touchdowns in each game but I think we're going to see more three target games for Colt Comet where he pulls in two catches for 30 yards and you're pretty disappointed he's he's in that glob for me but he's he's near the top of that glob he's one of the guys that I think has pretty high upside to score touchdown and you know his numbers are a little inflated today because of that 50 yard touchdown you know I'm not one of those people saying you know you can't count it you know take away his 50 yard touchdown and he's only got 24 yards but you do have to take that consideration when it is such a low volume passing attack so I'm with you guys I would not be looking to buy Colt Comet right now I would wait until after he has one of those you know disappointing performances and then try to trade for him guys the next game I want to hit on was this Kansas City Chiefs Jacksonville I have Lars game Kansas City Chiefs taking this one home 27 to 17 was the final score Patrick Mahomes making his best case to be the league MVP I know people are trying to hand it to Jalen Hertz the Josh Allen but Patrick Mahomes out here putting on a show 331 yards four touchdowns in an interception and he just added 39 yards on the ground as well okay do you think Patrick Mahomes is the favorite to win MVP at this point in the season I think you have to consider it I mean he's doing it I mean obviously as Travis Kelsey but his wide receivers have been Juju and VS you know they recently added Kaderio Stoney so he's taking this team on his back he's been you know doing it with his feet shipping in some rushing yards I think it's it's a three-race horse between him Jalen Hertz and Josh Allen but right now if I had to put money down on it it'd be it'd be Mahomes for me I think I'm with you I think my money would go on Mahomes as well before we keep going on this game we had a question come in here from Yancey I want to know would you guys accept a 2023 first for Stefan Diggs I'm gonna be honest I need more for Diggs in a dynasty league than just one first round pick I'm gonna need two firsts or a first and a piece maybe a first and a young wide receiver like a first and a George Pickens could maybe get it done or a first and Chris Olave get that done a leak that I'm in with Joey and JL actually I recently a rebuilding team I traded Stefan Diggs and I got Bateman and a first and I was very happy with that so something along those lines I think a young receiver plus the first it's not quite enough then DJ in here said would you accept a trade of George Kittle and Daniel Carlson for Amin Ross St. Brown Evan McPherson and Mike Evans Joey you making this move DJ would get the bottom three players yeah I want a modern St. Brown Mike Evans absolutely yeah your little giggle in there as Simon was reading the question DJ like accept this trade and go make yourself your favorite drink that you like to drink and just celebrate because you have won this trade and that's what you should do Mike Evans Amin Ross St. Brown go pick up a Cole Comet or something off the waiver wire and you'll be set at tight end maybe a David and Joku for whenever he comes back from an injury with Greg Dulce there's plenty of tight end options they are not George Kittle but you're more than making up for it with those receivers coming in on the Kansas City side of the ball the big storyline is what they're running back for Clyde Edwards Alaire wait where is he on here oh he got zero carries in this game not a single one two targets zero catches so zero touches in this game for Clyde Edwards Alaire the first round draft pick for the Kansas City Chiefs I just thought of this week too in a couple of places unfortunately due to bi-weeks I thought he was an okay start but Isaiah Pacheco clearly looks like he's taken over this back field 16 carries 82 yards on the ground today Joey with Pacheco looking like he's taken over unless there was an injury we haven't heard about with CEH CEH droppable in fantasy football what's taking over in this back field I would like to say he's dropped Clyde it's still probably holding if I have him but I said this morning on the morning show that where people the big narrative this week was okay it's Jalen Moore going to take Najae Harris' job and there's no evidence for that to be happening there's evidence that Pacheco is going to take CEH's job it was there the last two weeks we've seen it building we've seen it coming and it happened I think today I think Pacheco looked good he did have a fumble if I remember correctly but they lost it I believe and that's even better news for him that they lost it did he have any receiving work no he didn't I wish he would have but yeah I like Pacheco a lot I think he's in every week start at this point J is Pacheco going in your lineups week in week out yeah I think right now you have to nothing to really get too excited about from the Kansas City they've not been able to rush of all that much this season but you know Pacheco is the guy who can continue to get these carries he's you've got to start him you know back into RB2 and give me the guy who's getting the carries in the Kansas City offense all day every day DJ coming in with the update beating the sports scores bot in here with Green Bay 3128 pulling that victory out any day the Dallas Cowboys lose it's a good day and you can flex at the camera until you're over 500 and Roger so let's calm it down a little bit I just use all my screen yeah a week after you threw like an absolute temper tantrum on the field you like stomp your feet and hung up the phone like you were a little kid DJ in here in case you guys wanted this trade to be even hotter their other tight end is Travis Kallis so the trade with George Kittle DJ good god my man if I was wearing pants I would have to take them off good thing I'm not so Carter in here says last second quick question Terry McLauren Brandon Ayuk or Josh Palmer pick two one of those players needs to go on the bench Joey have those three players which one are you benching I'd stick Ayuk on the bench we had this question a lot this morning these three players were mentioned a lot and Ayuk could be going on my bench I understand wanting to play him against Chargers but McLauren's got really good rapport with Heineke and Joshua Palmer looks like he's the wide receiver one tonight Ayuk hitting the bench for me as well what about you Jay? Clean sweep Cadarius Tony for the Kansas City Chief has got his first NFL touchdown over here at least with the Chiefs five targets he never had one for the Giants killed it four receptions 57 yards and a touchdown Cadarius Tony was relatively involved in this offense and he looked good out there Joey do you think you can start Cadarius Tony absolutely it's very sad what happened with Juju Smith Schuster I think of Juju's out that just opens the door for more work for Tony I thought this was going to be more of a Marquez Valdez scantling game and it turned into kind of more of a Tony gamer he was more involved so I'm looking to go grab Tony off the waiver wire I think he's out there and I looked it was like 62% of leagues especially after his disappointing debut last week man Paris Campbell Cadarius Tony Isaiah Pacheco waiver wire is going to be fun this week waiver wire is going to be hot guys on the other side just real quick I wanted to add Simon McCall-Harvin didn't play as well so that's something else you have to take into consideration while I agree with Joey it's just Juju comes back McCall-Harvin comes back it could be a different story absolutely on the other side of the ball Trevor Lawrence chucking the ball 40 times in this game went 29 for 40 to a Mr. Christian Kirk that makes two weeks in a row that Christian Kirk has absolutely killed it top five PPR wide receiver last week and I have to assume is he still a top five PPR wide receiver this week because scoring has been nuts I'll check it out I imagine it's probably two top five weeks in a row Joey are you expecting more of this from Christian Kirk down the stretch of the season because it was rather disappointing the four or five games before these past two yeah I wide receiver yeah I if the matchups there for Christian Kirk I like it and that's kind of a cheat to say that but we knew that the combined point total coming to this game was going to be high we knew Kansas City was going to play and Jacksonville had to show up and so like we said this morning we think Christian Kirk's the start I didn't think you'd have two touchdowns and over 100 yards receiving I thought maybe like 80 and one would be great but yeah I think he's the number one option you see why Jacksonville went out and paid to bring him in from Arizona so yeah I am very confident Christian Kirk going forth as long as the matchups good no Buffalo Bills please well guys we are going to move on speaking of the Buffalo Bills to the game of the freaking day game of the year one of the best regular season games I've ever seen the Vikings fall out on victory and overtime against the Buffalo Bills 33 to 30 absolutely I'm loading it up one second the game that I remember loving as much as this game was that Monday night game with the chiefs and Rams the one where like 100 points were scored yeah it's still the best game I've ever seen but this was the game of the year this game had everything seven total touchdowns an RB1 performance head coach is saying the effort on national television and catches not seen outside of a Las Vegas Cirque de lait show just an amazing game I think you could run this back in February it's Super Bowl and everybody would be happy even if your team is not in Super Bowl everybody wants to see a game like this it was so much fun to watch so just picking up from the third quarter because so much happened in this game the Vikings were down by 17 and Diamond Cook broke off broke off an 81 yard touchdown run very exciting the Vikings then brought it down to one score with a 13 play 66 yard drive with four minutes and 38 seconds remaining in the fourth quarter then the Bills went three and out giving the ball back to Minnesota the Vikings then drove the ball 75 yards all the way down to the one yard line only to turn the ball over on downs but on the first play yeah Josh Allen bumble the ball into the end zone Eric Hendricks recover for a touchdown putting the Vikings up by three which you would think this game is over no! one drives the ball 69 yards down the field for a game tying field goal sending the game to overtime but in overtime the Vikings score a field goal thanks to some solid running from Diamond Cook and sadly once the Bills got the ball a costly Josh Allen red zone interception ended up costing the Bills the game who needs a cigarette I know I do Joey and while you were going through there like there was just like a million little things that happened throughout this game as well when we're talking big picture we have to skip over like on that drive to keep the game winning field goal Gabe Davis dropped that pass and they just kept on playing kept on playing and they kicked the field goal to tie it send it to overtime and I don't know if you heard Scott Hanson whenever like he was going over the game at the end he was like basically doing his best snip snap snip snap lines from the office but it was with the Vikings win percentages he was like Vikings 7% win percentage now it's two now it's 78 now it's one things like exactly what needed to happen the Bills bumbling the ball and giving them a touchdown on the one yard line was the only way the Vikings could win this game and and they did it they they pulled out this W that was absolutely insane I sent a text to Scott Fish after this game and I was like congratulations to you and his son Ian and he's just like unreal he was so excited that was a heck of a game yeah so on the Viking side of the ball Kirk Cousins 30 for 50 357 yards and a touchdown between receptions down and cook 14 carries 119 yards a touchdown and three receptions for 27 yards little note here Alexander Madison was barely involved today for touches total for 19 yards so there's always seems to be this battle between okay Madison's going to take the carries away from cook but it seems like the season cook really has been cooking I didn't even write that down on my sheet I just put that on my own you're welcome I guess that's why I get paid the bit of books let's talk about Justin Jefferson Justin Jefferson 10 receptions 193 yards and a touchdown and the catch of the year easily if you haven't seen it go find it Jefferson like one hand catches it while he's like pulling it away from the defender and like scoops that I can't even explain it go watch the clip it's amazing and Justin Jefferson he's made a lot of statements this season and then this game he's the wider saver one in PPR scoring this week and he moved up to wide receiver 2 on the season behind Tyreek Hill that might have changed since around 6 o'clock tonight but is Justin Jefferson in fact the best wide receiver in the NFL right now Simon yes or no he's got to be in that conversation I'm not going to sit here and say for sure he's better than Stefan Diggs better than Davonte Adams but man is he making a case for it right like he is making a case that he is the number one wide receiver in the NFL when I'm watching these games I'm just thinking just put the ball in his hand every single play every single play you should be getting the ball in Justin Jefferson's hands because the dude works magic out there on the football field and that catch just good God almighty that catch alone that catch alone should put him in the conversation right exactly he's got to be up there like you can't talk best wide receiver in the NFL without saying his name Jay I'm going to put you on the spot you're the number one pick in your fantasy draft next year are you drafting Justin Jefferson or say your number one running backs Christian McCaffrey who are you taking number one overall I'm probably still going Christian McCaffrey but that's because I'm a running back early and often type of guy he is one of a handful Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase heck Stefan Diggs right now those would be the only guys I would consider in the first round not Tyree Kill possibly I want to see what what it looks like the rest of the season okay oh having the most receiving yards in the league isn't enough you Jay on this way and Dolphins to put him in a conversation for a first round wide receiver Tyree Kill's up there for me he's in that conversation yeah T.J. Hawkinson had seven receptions for 45 yards since arriving in Minnesota Minnesota Hawkinson has 16 receptions for 115 yards for the last two weeks so what tier tight ends does Hawkinson fit into the rest of the season is he in that upper echelon or is he kind of in the glob Jay what do you think? I was just going to say I think he's kind of in a separate little tier he's below the Travis Calcies the George Kittles the Mark Andrews but he's above the glob maybe in there with like Dalton Schultz know what I mean like in that range of tight end he's involved early here and him and Kirk Cousins seem to be developing some chemistry and this offense is pretty dang good so I like T.J. Hawkinson I'm surprised would you rather have Dalton Schultz or T.J. Hawkinson Dalton Schultz I think is where I'm going Jay what about those two where do you fall? I'm going Hawkinson I'm really excited it's never been about the talent with Hawkinson he's looked good when he's got the targets it's just been he's been stuck on the lines offense this was the first time I think that he's ever been on a winning team I think is the stat that I said when he was traded to the Minnesota Vikings last week just got traded to the team saw nine targets this week he saw ten targets I think he's definitely above the glob I think he has potential to jump up to that I'm going to stop short of saying that Travis Kelcey Travis Kelcey Mark Andrews here but I think he's like Simon said he's going to be right below it before we move on to the next part of this game I wanted to hit Ravi's question in here Ravi said I'm two and nine and I can't afford Cooper Cup being out so I traded him and Saquon for Tua Tonga-Viloa T. Higgins, Dalton Cook and Jonathan Taylor how do you guys feel about this move so you traded away Saquon and Cooper Cup which is a lot to give out but Joey how do you feel about the return that they got for those two players I'll say to you what my wife said to me on my wedding night what a package no she did not say that at all so yeah no you got honestly you guys were talking about MVPs earlier and you didn't mention Tua's name I think if Tua keeps playing the rest of the season the way he is and the dolphins keep winning I think Tua's in that conversation if I had some money I might head over to a local sports book throw it down on Tua to win the MVPs I wonder what those odds are they haven't lost a game that he's played the entire game from start to finish 7-0 Tua is look great and he's not throwing interceptions it's great I love seeing what Tua is doing this year but listen you got T. Higgins one of the best wide receivers of football and you got Dalton Cook and Jonathan Taylor I think Dalton Cook and Jonathan Taylor is a great trade off for letting Saquon go yeah you are taking the downgrade from Cooper Cup but I hate to say this if Cooper Cup's injured and he's out you really won this trade by default yeah I mean if you're 2-9 you can't afford to lose next week and Cooper Cup doesn't look like he's going to play at least next week so I'm all about it Ravi great moves that is a scary trade to make but I think it was the right move nice job Joey what else we got in this game did we talk about the bills yet I don't think so I don't think we talked about the bills I think we should they're pretty good Josh Allen 29 for 43 357 passing yards and one touchdown two interceptions he also had six carries for 84 yards destroying what I said that he was not going to run the game run the ball because there was a whole thing this morning is Josh Allen going to play he's not on the field for war nubs case Keenum's out there I was going crazy this morning it turned out Josh Allen's going to play and boy did he play so going into the game he had the most rushing yards without oh sorry Devin Singletary going into the game had the most rushing yards without a rushing touchdown so he put that to bed because Devin Singletary had 13 carries for 47 yards and two touchdowns the majority of Singletary's work came in the first half but he's still out carried James Cook 13 to 5 is Singletary the back to have in this backfield J yeah I definitely think so and it's partially due to a stat that you brought up he is the guy that has the second most carries inside the 5 for this team and we saw that today you bravo to you because you called this you said that if Josh Allen does play they're going to use Singletary more in the red zone and he could potentially see some more touchdowns so while you're not excited about 3.6 yards per carry you got to love the usage in the red zone get the two touchdowns and this is pretty much what you're going to see from Devin Singletary somewhere from 10 to 15 touches you know hopefully you can chip in a catch or two and you're really happy with your day if he gets a touchdown absolutely yeah I mean Singletary got both those touchdowns really early in this game and I was like I was like oh my god have I figured out am I actually good at doing this thing and uh no I mean it's you called it bravo to you but it just makes sense you know Allen you know the I believe he might have reaggravated the elbow he's out there running diving ahead first he's a wild man so step on digs 12 receptions 128 yards looking like a beast out there Gabriel Davis 6 receptions 93 yards and a touchdown and I'm going to eat some crow early in the season there seem to be this battle for the wide receiver position in this receiver group doing Gabriel Davis and Isaiah McKenzie I was so fully on the Isaiah McKenzie side but it seems like this Davis really has won the wide receiver 2 position on this team do you guys agree with that yeah I do think like as far as wide receiver 2 on this team goes it is Gabriel Davis that being said I still don't think he's like the not what was being hyped up as an every week wide receiver 2 at the beginning of this season he is still going to be very hit or miss week in week out he needs that long touchdown usually to make it worthwhile that being said he got decent volume this week but I'm just looking at his last couple weeks so he's killed it this week but last week wide receiver 38 in standard scoring and in half PBR wide receiver 41 so not very good there wide receiver 61 the week before that like you're going to get miss games from him but you're going to get boom games from him too just if you can start them but don't be mad if he gives you 5 fantasy points perfect and Mackenzie for receptions for 37 yards so much happened in this game I think Scott Hansen said you know NFL networks can be replaying this game all week long if you didn't get a chance to see this game even though you know the outcome go back and watch it it was so much fun to watch it was absurd grand fan before we move on from this game wanted to know is Shakir or Mackenzie worth stashing Joey would you be stashing either of those players yeah I'm not going to come off Mackenzie that much like I think Gabriel Davis is the wide receiver two in this offense but I still want Isaiah Mackenzie if especially on my dynasty teams because I do think there's still a lot of value there we guys we're going to move on to our next game the next game we got here is that Pittsburgh Steelers New Orleans Saints game the Steelers coming out on top 20 to 10 in this one and Andy Dalton turned back into the pumpkin that is Andy Dalton he's had a stretch where he's looked pretty good he had a pretty mediocre game 174 yards and a touchdown two interceptions he has not thrown for multiple touchdown since week eight and he has not thrown for over 250 passing yards since week seven after a bad loss to a bad Pittsburgh team the division is still within reach and you know we know the NFC south is definitely struggling this season you guys think that the Saints are going to bench Andy Dalton for James Winston and if that does happen are you interested in James for fantasy one thousand percent to the first question I do like that would be preposterous for them not to bench Andy Dalton for James Winston to this point I think you put him in there see what he does for this offense and then yeah if James is playing I think you got to be interested in him especially in super flex leagues he has been fantastic for fantasy whenever he's played so he goes up to that streaming quarterback option immediately if he's the starter see the Bucks fans smiling when you say James Winston in fantasy football there's probably no more frustrating player for me as a Bucks fan than James Winston for lots of reasons for fantasy though I love having James Winston on my team he is super fun but I'm glad he's not my quarterback anymore yeah that makes sense you know what I mean but yeah so if James Winston is out there in the game today but that's a wonderful receiver he's got drivers Landry as well Joanne Johnson's basically a wide receiver he's got good targets he's got Alakawar who can check the ball down to like I would I have no problem having James Winston on my fantasy teams if the matchups good Grimm said I would rather drink some Jameson than go after Winston why not both yeah I mean if Winston's on your team you probably need some Jameson because those games can roll our coasters Alakawar with disappointing again only 45 double yards no touchdowns it's a second game in a row with less than 10 points do you guys have any long term concern for Alakawar no next year I do for legal reasons oh yeah when he's not playing because of the suspension next year that I'm concerned about for this season very good point to bring up go ahead Simon I'm just gonna say for this season you keep on starting them and Jay probably what you were about to say it's not gonna happen this year now there were wonders if maybe they would push it up they were out of playoff contention get the suspension served this year not gonna happen the suspension will likely be served next season whatever it is so this year just keep on rolling out Alvin Camara I know it sucked the past two weeks but he's Alvin freaking Camara don't take him out of your fantasy line ups mm-hmm yep could not agree more and Joe you alluded to it Joanne Johnson led the way for this team with seven targets five catches 44 yards and a touchdown he's been inconsistent I think he's somebody that you can kind of throw in if the matchup is right but not somebody I'm looking to get in my lineup every single week Chris O'Lavi had a bad game but better days ahead he's somebody that must start every week for me any disagreement there from you guys it's probably the biggest miss of the day Chris O'Lavi is a top 10 wide receiver Steelers are giving up the most fancy points to wide receivers it just felt like this is the perfect marriage you know with Landry coming back a little bit of attention taken off of them but nothing added up right for that today though so you forgot that Andy Dalton was the ultimate home record that's exactly what I was going to say Simon you hit the nail on the head yeah on the the stealer side of the ball all this talk of Jaylen Ward potentially taking over for Najee Harris and Najee Harris gets 20 yards now granted he looked pretty decent 99 yards average five yards to carry just about did not get a touchdown but this definitely has to be encouraging for Najee Harris outlook the rest of the season Kenny Pickett he had a pretty solid game almost 200 yards did not throw for a touchdown but he is a guy that can get it down on the ground 51 rushing yards and a rushing touchdown you guys have any interest in streaming Kenny Pickett is he somebody that's still kind of a little hesitant on or you think he's somebody in like a super flex that you started your QB to I had to really start Pickett today when we were on the show with Josh Allen news I had to throw him in there and it was the one league I accidentally didn't get Allen back in so I started Kenny Pickett today and you know I'm happy with what I got yeah to answer your question no no I do not have interest in adding Kenny Pickett I don't think you can count on a rushing touchdown from him each week kind of like Justin Fields if he was having these kinds of numbers but a rushing touchdown saved it I feel a little bit more confident because they're designing those plays up for him I don't think you're going to see those from Pickett but when he took off down the field I was so certain I just had flashbacks when he did the fake slide in college like I saw him running I was like oh he's going to do it again he's going to fake slide and then take off down this field but didn't do it yeah I'm with you guys got to be pretty desperate to have to start Kenny Pickett does that feel Joey no Josh Allen that's so I'm with you I lost Tray Lantz in a league and I'm having to stream Jimmy G and Kenny Pickett so I'm desperate as well the only other guy I do want to hit on George Pickett is his first game without Chase Claypool on this team had a pretty solid day although he only saw four targets he caught three of them for 32 yards and he did a little they got creative and used them in the rushing game two rushes for 23 yards and a touchdown you love to see that I think that they're going to continue to draw up ways to get him involved in this offense what do you guys view Kenny Pickett as excuse me George Pickens the rest of the season is he somebody you're starting every week more just the right matchups let's say next week they play Cincinnati are you starting George Pickens next week against Cincinnati hmm he's a wide receiver three for me going forward to the season maybe a flex play that's exactly how I was going to put him on that flex wide receiver three line he's start a bull he's not someone I'm forcing into my lineups this Steelers offense isn't good enough for someone who's not the number one target on this team to be an every week start and I don't think he is that number one target on this team yet the ball is going to continue to be spread around between Deontay Johnson between Pat Friarmooth between George Pickens and we'll see him have his games but it's still Kenny Pickett throwing on the ball it's still the Steelers team with the bad offensive line upsides capped for this there's one encouraging thing the stat chief of Steelers didn't show today and that's Mason Rudolph was an active so I always like to see that but it's a very encouraging sign you're right before we go Joey I do have to pay up a bet oh yeah yeah yeah Deontay was good this week um we had a was it 12 points I think I bet the younger and he had 19 PPR fancy points so um Jay those who do not know what we're doing we make bats and we make animal noise bats if this your first time joining us with the loser has to make an animal noise of the other person's choice Joey what animal noise is Jay making today making a sound of a t-rex being caught in the shower by his spouse captured perfectly what a note to end on guys what a note to end on everyone who hung out with us today thank you so much for taking the time on your Sunday evening to come hang out with us we've got this Chargers 49ers game coming up any minute now they are going to kick off so we are going to go watch that I know all of you are going to go watch that as well reminder before you go if you enjoyed this going to hit that like button on this video is the easiest way to show your support for what we're doing over here and then head on over to our YouTube channel at front yard fantasy and hit that sub button over there there is way more of our beautiful 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