 We had the best time doing the initial breakdown of the body language and behavior in this video. And we decided we'd revisit some of our favorite moments from it. Okay. I know this sounds silly, um, but it's probably the easiest way to start. Um, it's just to tell me what happened. And then so you can start what makes the most sense to you. And we'll just work our way through. And I'll probably ask you a bunch of questions just to kind of clarify. So I know you talked to the initial patrol officer. Um, and he just got information. Oh, okay. Um, so yeah, if you can just kind of tell me kind of what happened. It sounds like some of this may have started last night or something along those lines. So start when you think it makes the most sense. Okay. So, um, I told you, it's a crazy question. Well, so we moved into this house three weeks ago because he offered to get me a house here where all my family is, remember in Houston. And, um, so he's like, we had decided to separate or whatever. So we, he's like, well, I'll pay for a house for you and for JJ and whatever. Cause he's all about JJ. He's never about Tyler, but he's all about JJ because we adopted him together. He says great nephew. We adopted him as a baby. And so we adopted him as baby. And so we've been raising him together and he travels all the time for business. So he's used to just going back and forth. So he's always been on like Monday through Friday. So he came when we first moved in and brought me stuff from Houston, like a U-Haul. And then he hasn't been back, but it's all these threats on my phone all the time, you know, like whatever, all these things. And then he told me just, you'd have to read them to me. But he's always mad at me right here. And he doesn't want to divorce, but I don't like him and don't want to tell him. So that's just how it is. So we married for 14 years or don't live for 14 years of him being horrible to her. Like he gets in huge fights with her. He, you know, a lot of things. But anyway, so he said, I'm coming Wednesday night all of a sudden. I'm not, I want to see JJ. And I told him, I said, I will never keep JJ from you. You can come see you whenever you want to come take him to school or whatever. Like, I'm not going to do that. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, OK, look, some simple things here. I would suggest she's minimized rather than maximized. What do I mean like that? Well, she's taking up as minimal room as she can rather than maximizing the room that she takes up the space that she takes up. We'll see a minimize even more during this. In fact, we'll see a minimize over this in a way that I've never seen before. A baseline change, which is probably the biggest I've ever seen in my life. Abdomen is concave as well tucked in again, protective. Blink rate is is high, I would say, even for somebody being interviewed in in this way. So Blink rate is already, I think, quite high as a baseline. She's forward in her chair, though. So she's she's interested. She's she's paying attention. So that could be something to do with the concave nature of her. Abdomen as well, you know, curled in here for protection, very active hands, very active descriptors, lots of symmetry, but lots of asymmetry as well. One last thing on this that emphasis on 14 years, 14 years seems that she wants some kind of approval around that or certainly wants us to pay a lot of attention to this idea of 14 years. Greg, what do you got on this one? Yeah, Mark, I love the fact you start off with baseline because we're going to see fantastic baseline, baseline deviations from this. And I always say the organism does what made the organism successful. This woman is a queen of what she does. And we're going to watch her through here, walk down. She doesn't do chaff and redirect. She does chaff, chaff, chaff and disparage victim. I don't want a divorce, but I don't like him and I don't like stuff. We're going to watch it. It goes on and on and on. If it was chaff and redirect, she'd be giving you something to go after. She isn't. She's just talking until you let her go the next path and she disparages the victim. For those of you who read Method folks, guess what? She's telegraphing what she wants to hear from you. So that's a great opportunity for us to talk about read method as we work through here. There's a really smart guy who talks about planes and talks about passion planes and grotesque plane and truth plane. Watch the planes in this woman. She starts off locked down. These barriers are beautiful. She's got barrier. There's a hands between her knees and you can tell. I'm going to start by calling her big Lori little Lori as we go through this whole thing because it's a very different personality. She's apprehensive until she finds out what to expect. And there's in the 80s. There was a song called because I'm blonde. I have a feeling this woman has made her lifestyle on that because I'm blonde. And in the in the lyrics to that, the woman would say, be hello. You know what I mean? She would finish no sentences. She would just trail off and we see that a lot from Lori. She starts off with front of mouth talking and increased brain crates, which we indicate means stress and she's being solicitous to the person who's talking to her. Then when she realizes what's going on, the sides of her mouth are pulled down her head or four heads up and nodding. That's all intake data intake. And that's a frown of understanding is all it is. But when she tells her a start word, it makes most sense. Watch that blink rate fade. Boop. And then she goes to M. M. She's delaying confrontation there. She leans and I blocks and gives some nervous laughter. And we're going to see that a few times in this thing. This is probably one of the weirdest ones we've seen to yet. And I think Mark, you might be right. Baseline deviation, buckle up. This is a good one. Scott, what do you got? All right, I this this may be my very favorite one because we're looking at a straight up, in my opinion, psychopath. And I want to go through why I think so. Why my hypothesis that she is one as we go through this. Mark, you nailed it. I don't know what else to say about that. Let's see what's important. She laughs in every video except two, except number three and number four. She's she laughs in every one of them. And talking about someone who has just seen her ex husband killed or was there when he was killed, what, two or three hours ago? And she's she's so calm. Everything is just fine. It's like she's just come. It sounds like she's at a teacher's meeting. Sounds like whatever kids got in trouble when she's down there talking about that. But the kid didn't get that much trouble. They said, come here, we need to talk about this. This is what this sounds like. The interrogator does such a fantastic job with this because what a psychopath does is they try to mimic the person they're talking to to get to engage them. We see a lot of romance in here where she tries to mimic the interrogator to get the interrogator to like her. It's fantastic. But the interrogator, I think she knows what's going on because some of these things that you went as we go through this, I'll point out some of the things where you go. She understands what's happening here because she's asking this or she's doing this. She does some classic like you were saying, Greg, read technique stuff right down right down the line almost. And she does a great job at those. You can tell she's done it a hundred times. Now, but Lori hasn't had a chance to structure her story yet. So she goes through that. She's taking her time. She and she she laughs a little bit too much. And but she's what we're going to see her her, even though she's tucked in and down, we're going to see her go lower and lower and lower and turtling and turtling. Where finally we're going to see your hands below her knees on this. When we get toward the end, it is something else to see this. Her in this case, her illustrators are fluid, but they're fairly low. So she's not showing a lot of confidence with what she's talking about. I know the fellow you're talking about, Greg, for the for the truth playing things, a friend of mine known for for quite a while. And he does a whole thing on he does a whole thing. How I'm sure which he would go through that if he were on here about the differences in those and how we're seeing those changes as we go along. And then she's creating the reason this happened when she's asked the question. She's recreating the reason this happened, not what happened. So let's talk about what happened. She doesn't tell what happened. She tells the reason it happened. Tell me what happened. We have decided to separate or whatever. It's all these threats on my phone all the time, you know, like whatever, all these things. So that this is just bells and whistles of watch out. Something's up here. And keep in mind, she's she takes time to create this story because she hasn't had time to structure it yet. I think when she and her brother planned this, if it was a plan, everything went as they expected. But it's not half. She doesn't have her story ready yet. She has she she hasn't gotten to where this, this, this, this and this. She's and she's really laid back about the whole thing. That's the scary part about this. If, in fact, she was a psychopath, this one, none of this would bother her. Listen to what she's talking about. Listen to the question she's being asked and look at how she responds. Look at her body language overall. This is basic body language stuff we'll be looking at. So Chase, what do you got? You don't know a lot of the body language here. But I think the interviewer does a great job. She's saying, start where you think it makes the most sense. This is a great strategy in interviews because it allows the other person to pick what they think is relevant and it avoids leading them into a hard starting point. And this lets you know if they're going to go through a rehearsed story or not. Just how they respond to this one question. And right away, you're seeing something called GHT, gestural hemispheric tendency, whether or not we gesture one side positive, one side negative. She uses her right hand like this and gestures off to her right to talk about anything negative, being horrible to her. Like he gets in huge fights with her. And her left side is used for positive topics. You come see whatever you want to come take him to school or whatever. While she's discussing the negative relationship with one child and the positive and loving relationship with the other, you're going to see this. This type of information can help us in a lot of ways. But most importantly, we're going to use this to see where she gestures in the future about certain issues so we can see how she feels about them. And later in the interview, an interviewer can move toward that spot and start gesturing a certain way to change or maybe change the way she perceives something as positive or negative, depending on how you want to frame it. And no one who's being threatened will gloss over being threatened. It's all these threats on my phone all the time, you know, like whatever. Unless they're either lying or trying to protect the person who did it. So she uses the word whatever to describe these threats. And then when she's asked about the threat, she displays this uncommon hesitancy before answering, just lacks the ability to answer just a reasonable question at the end of this. You'll see more of this left and right G.H.T. data coming up when she's saying horrible to her. She's using her right hand again and even pointing in that direction with her thumb, and this is a very valuable data to an interviewer. But you can use this in any conversation that you ever have to identify these critical indicators like this. And I think just this one clip, I alone and not even included these other guys here, I could do probably a three hour training on this one clip like we could spend a day dissecting this thing. Easily. Yeah, that's all I got. Yeah, I wouldn't see you. OK, I know this sounds silly, but it's probably the easiest way to start is just to tell me what happened. And then so you can start what makes the most sense to you and we'll just work our way through. And I'll probably ask you a bunch of questions just to kind of clarify. So I know you talked to the initial patrol officer. And you just got information. OK, so, yeah, you can just kind of tell me kind of what happened. It sounds like some of this may have started last night or something along those lines. So start where you think it makes the most sense. OK, so. I told you, it's a crazy question. Well, so we moved into this house three weeks ago because he offered to get me out here where all my family is. Remember in Houston and. So he's like, we had decided to separate or whatever. So we he's like, well, I'll pay for a house for you and for JJ and whatever, because he's all about JJ. He's never about Tyler, but he's all about JJ because we adopted him together. He's his great nephew. We adopted him as a baby and so we adopted him as a baby. And so we've been raising him together and he travels all the time for business. So he's used to just going back and forth. So he's always been on like Monday through Friday. So he came when we first moved in and brought me stuff from Houston, like a U-Haul. And then he hasn't been back. But it's all these threats on my phone all the time, you know, like, whatever, all these things. And then he told me what kind of threats. Just he'd have to read them to me. But he's always mad at me right here. And he doesn't want a divorce, but I don't like him. And I don't know. So that's just how it is. So we married for 14 years, we adopted for 14 years of him being horrible to her. Like he gets in huge fights with her. He, you know, a lot of things, but anyway. So he said, I'm coming on Wednesday night, all of a sudden. I wanna see JJ. And I told him, I said, I will never keep JJ from you. You can come see me whenever you want to, come take him to school, whatever, like, I'm not gonna do that. Do you remember what your husband and your brother were saying or yelling during all of this? If they were at all? Just kind of get off me, I don't know. You know, whatever, they were like, don't touch my knees, whatever, like, I don't remember specifics, but they were kind of both. They were kind of in the heat of it. I don't think there was much, many words to I remember. So Tyree goes outside. Yeah, she was outside. And then what happened? Then he, they got up from that. And my brother had like stepped back, I guess, and then Charles was coming with me at the bat and yelling at me to give him his phone, still, because I had it in my hand, it was all really quickly. And then when I went around kind of in the circle, then my brother was there. When you said he, when you were going around and he was coming at you with the bat, how was he holding the bat? Just like that, like backwards, almost and whatnot. Like he was swinging, but like swinging it backwards. He would have got like, Like he would have just swinging it backwards at me, not frontwards. Okay, yeah. He was a professional baseball player. Okay. So it wasn't a good idea for Tyree to get out of the bat. Probably not the best. I think he's like, it's in my problem. Yeah. But. All right, Chase, what do you got? Her level of eye contact here is stunning. While she's laughing about the situation. And I think she's probably been using this charm to get things her whole life. Here's why that should be scary to you. We know that adult behavior is shaped by what made the person get what they wanted earlier in life and what behaviors they needed to avoid punishment or consequences as a kid. And she's smiling here because she's used this in the past, but she's unaware that it's an inappropriate emotion to display. So what kind of person would spend a long time mastering facial expressions and making people like them and also be completely unaware which emotions are socially appropriate. I'll let you be the judge. All the behavior you're seeing here might seem off. This is because you're seeing the signals of uncertainty, doubt, hesitation and inward focus. Those four things are the things that we're seeing that might make you feel a little bit off. Uncertainty, doubt, hesitation and inwardly focused internal dialogue, so to speak. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, let's run down just a couple of things. And I'm gonna pitch this one off the mark pretty quickly, but this woman sitting there, let's look at the teddy bear next to her and look at her now and look at how collapsed she's become. She's shrinking even more. She looks like the puppet next to her. Her arms are about to touch the floor and somebody I know is gonna talk about the grotesque plane. I have a feeling as soon as we have this finished up. Her animation is gone. She's not talking. And I agree with you, Chase. She's like, oh, what do I say now and where do I go? She's adapting to release nervous energy even reaches up to an uncomfortable position to scratch. There's internal voice as she describes and she's now changed planes. And what I mean by changing planes and people are going up here and remembering things. Now she goes down to internal voice and emotion and internal voice and emotion. We as interrogators know that she's headed into a place that we can push her a little further and especially using all this disparaging the victim to get her to break, to get her to confess. Her voice tone is different. Her cadence is different. Her blink rate increases even with that hard eye contact. When she does that trying to understand the question, she opens her mouth. I see that, you know, I live in a part of the country where we make fun of people who are hanging their mouth open when they're paying attention to something very tightly called mouth breathing. I think she's doing a little bit of that as her circuits are heating up pretty hard. Mark, is this grotesque plane? Or is it just? This is very definitely grotesque plane. I also think she's got very long limbs as well. Her fingers are incredibly long as well. So she is long-limbed, I would say. But having said that, I rarely see anybody manage to get their hands so low as they're talking that she's actually pulling up on the cushion and adapting on the cushion. Now what does it mean to be in the grotesque plane? Well, certainly it means that gravity is getting way the better of her. She isn't winning that fight against gravity. It's bringing her shoulders right in. She's concave here. She's minimizing. I mean, it's almost like some kind of chimp there, you know? So she's almost dragging her knuckles on the ground. One last thing on this. She says, you know, what were they yelling? Well, just kind of get off me. And then we see some asymmetry in the mouth. I mean, one side of the mouth does something different than the other side of the mouth. And we see a slight pull-up in the mouth. Now that could be disdain or contempt. But I don't know why it would be disdain and contempt. What is she disdaining or contempt yourself based on the text of it? So in asymmetry of the mouth, we're left with one other opportunity, really, which is, is it, is it Dupers delight with her quite possibly is quite possibly. She is enjoying the idea of making up a story here. So look, never seen this adaption on a cushion down this low. And she really has shrunk and heading further, further towards the ground losing that fight against gravity. So even with somebody who may well be psychopathic in nature, it doesn't mean that they don't have stresses on them. It doesn't mean that if they're put in a corner, they won't shrink and they won't have elements of fear themselves. And I think that's what we're seeing here. Somebody who doesn't feel much fear and has loves to have a great deal of control. But this is one of those moments, even for her, where she's caught in a corner. Scott, what you got on this one? I agree. She's caught in the corner. That's what's happening there. At the beginning, she's talking about how they're yelling. And she's had all these, are they are saying this and that? Kind of get off me, I don't know. For the time she gets finished talking about it, she doesn't remember what they say. I don't remember specifics. She did really connect with what they said as she explains to the interrogator, who's still doing a great job during this. And then again, like you, like everybody's brought up so far, let's look at her posture. Man, she's so low, her hands are below that seat. You don't see that very often. You know, when someone's sitting there, I think it might be the first time I've seen it on any of the things we've done on this channel. The first time we've seen that. So that's really interesting. Again, we're hearing fading facts, more vocal fry. In the heat of it, I don't think there were as many words as I remember. And way too much laughing when she shouldn't be laughing. Her emotions are not, aren't fitting with the situation that's happening there. What's interesting, I thought, and I figured for sure, when you guys would find this, her ego was hit on here. Do you anybody see where that was? Where something hit her ego? No? Okay. When she talks about him being semi-pro. He was a big professional, I told her. Over. I mean, he played semi-pro when he was young. I think that bothered her. I think that embarrassed her. Because she's a professional. She's a professional. She's a professional. Because she grabs her arm and that's the first big adapter we see on her. That's the biggest one we've seen so far. And I think when she says, he was semi-pro, she wanted him to be a pro. And I think that embarrassed her when she said that. Now that's going way out there, but I think they're so sensitive. The psychopaths are so sensitive. They're so narcissistic that that's something that didn't make her look as good as she could possibly look. And I think it bothered her. Now keep in mind that when it comes to narcissism in psychopaths, a lot of people ask this question. All psychopaths are narcissists, but not all narcissists are psychopaths. So be sure you keep that in mind. Then get real close to it. And they'll seem just like him. That's why you can't, that's why I can't diagnose for sure if this is a psychopath. But my goodness, she sure looks like one. Sometimes it takes six months to a year to be able to really find out if someone is or not without all the MRI work, with all the brain, fMRI work on the head. But that's one thing to keep in mind. So that's what I thought. I thought that it sort of hit her ego there when she had to say he was semi pro. And that's why we're seeing that adapter on her hand there on her forearm there. All right. We good? Mm-hmm. Yep. Excellent. All right, Mark. You had no competition in that whatsoever. Yeah, I did. Chase did a lean out towards the traffic cabinet of the back. Trying to find a charger. How confident he is. The island is huge. Do you remember what your husband or your brother were saying or yelling during all of this? If they were at all? Just kind of get off me out or whatever. They were like, like, don't talk to me. He's not like, whatever. I don't remember specifics, but they were kind of both, they were kind of in the heat of it. I don't think there was much many words that I remember. So Tyree goes outside. Yeah, she was outside. And then what happened? Then he, they got up from that and my brother had like stepped back, I guess. And then Charles was coming with me at the bat and yelling at me to give him his phone still, because I had it in my hand. It was all really quickly. And then when I went around kind of in the circle, then my brother was there. When you said he, when you were going around and he was coming at you with the bat, how was he holding the bat? Just like that, like backwards. Almost and whatnot. Like he was swinging, but like swinging it backwards? He would have got like. Like he would have just swing it backwards at me, not backwards. Okay, yeah. He was a professional baseball player. Okay. So it wasn't a good idea for Tyree to get out of the bat. Probably not the best. I think he's like, sit by for a little bit and he was, yeah. But and then do you remember if at any time, so you were trying to get away from him and you heard the shot prior to the shot. Do you remember at any point hearing your husband or your brother saying anything to any, either of them? So my second very ridiculous question is, is there anything else that I didn't ask about or anything that we didn't cover that you think is important? I always ask that just because I wasn't there. So we're going through something that happened at a super small amount of time. Yes. So go for it. Speaking. He was just so angry, like super scary. Did you? You're not going to take your phone away from like a 16 year old and they freak out. Like their world disagrees. I've taken my phone away from a 16 year old boy before and he like wanted to kill itself because they came that function. That's how it was. It was like, it's something on his phone that he does not want me to see that he was like for reaching out. Like to the point where I thought he would hit me in the back of the head to get the phone. Okay. So you thought, All right, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, we're back to small Lori again. She has a threat identified her eyes are locked and we call that romance or true crime workshop but it's simply paying all attention so you make sure you don't lose any opportunity to convince the person. She adapts to a leg bump at specific questions. Her blink rate is through the roof. She's shrinking and turtling more. She goes to internal voice when she's asked one of the best questions an interrogator can ask. Is there anything else you should tell me? That's a beautiful question and one that professionals all use. Precisely where or where she should be though is this emotional actor, this accessing when she's doing it. So there's nothing wrong with her going to an internal conversation than emotional accessing. Then she goes in this weird little meditation pose which is just odd as it can be. I'm always a fan of people doing weird stuff because it gives me insight into their personality but then she goes into what we typically, you know, the old days they would call it an aesthetic plane where you're not doing visual or auditory accessing. You're just down here in emotion and internal voice. She's behind her face working. She's doing our job for us. You never want to bother that. You want to let that person do it. Then when she asks her questions and she pokes her little, she goes to front of mouth talking. She said, just thinking and fading facts. She, here's another disparage, disparage the victim. She goes at him. Can you take your phone away from like a 16 year old? And then she lowers her head and looks at her in data intake. We've got her behind her face. I thought this might actually turn into an interrogation instead of it just being a question. It's pretty nice. Chase, what do you got? Yeah. So Greg, I'm going to hammer down hard on this yoga pose for a second. Yeah. So for you listening and all of our subscribers, I want you to watch this again and I want you to just try it on through my eyes. When you watch this again, here's what I want you to see. This question she asks about, is there anything else I didn't ask you that I should have? It's a common question in all interviews. Somehow, I don't know why but this question makes the interviewer feel slightly socially awkward. The interviewer is actually a couching, qualifying and explaining her reasoning for asking this question. I always ask that just because I wasn't there so we're going through something that happened. She gets a little bit nervous asking this question. In the moment that Lori sees this insecurity and nervousness, her entire being changes. She develops self-confidence in one second in the presence of insecurity here and you can see her entire body shift. She's no longer protecting her abdomen. She sits up, takes this confident posture and looks like a completely different human being. You're seeing someone who becomes confident the moment she's made someone feel or observes a person being socially awkward about asking questions. And I'll just leave you with that to decide what that means. But I want you to see that so that you'll recognize it in your life if you ever encounter someone similar to this. You get embarrassed and they start acting more confident or you feel bad and they start acting more confident. That's a big deal. The rest of this clip is just covertly, emotionally justifying the gunshot wound to a person who feels emotions. And I think she believes she's gonna go home. And I think she believes this will all be over soon and she's just gonna go home and have some dinner. That's all I got. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, here's what I got. I think this is the biggest change in baseline I've ever seen. The only thing that might be as big is there's one interrogation out there or interview out there where they leave the room and the subject stands on their head. I can't remember who it is now, but it- Jody Arias. Okay, Jody Arias. Which that's a big change in baseline because all the rest of the interview her head is pointing upwards and then in that part of her interview, her head's- I mean, that's a big change. In this particular case, we see her legs disappear completely and come up off the ground and into the chair. That's really quite significant. I like your theory about it, Chase. I really like that. Look, whether that theory is accurate or inaccurate, you know, we may well find out over time however, it's clearly a big thing is happening here. Clearly a big thing is happening here. It's a spiritual pose as well. So I think you're right, Chase, in that it gives its high status, it's like, and then the head bows and everything goes internal and there's just a lot of space, a lot of thinking space. I think there's some real thinking going on there as well. I think this has given her time to work out what's next because she doesn't really answer the question at all. The question is, you know, is there anything else that we should have asked? She doesn't answer that. She goes back into enforcing the extreme emotional state that the husband was in. So back to the old story, doesn't answer the question, but what a bold and big, big move. Never seen anything so big, apart from standing on your head in an interview room. Scott, what do you got on this one? All right, I think the interrogator did that on purpose. I know what that looks like. And we've talked about that before, not in this specific situation. She's trying to make her, this did the same thing to Ted Bundy, trying to make her feel smart, trying to make her feel like the interrogator's not very smart. I think she did it on purpose. I think she's, I think the interrogator is that smart. I think she's that slick because this is going so smoothly. It's going so well. Everything's just kind of moving right alone. There's no button of hands or anything. And she's getting all this information out of her. And I think she did that on purpose. That was my take from it. Cause as soon as I saw it, I said, oh my gosh, that's what she's doing. And you're right, Jay, she got all cocky at that point. She thinks she's got it all figured out. And that's what you want sometimes. So that might've been the road she was going down. And the question was excellent. Hey, you're right, Greg. It's the, you know, is there anything you haven't told her that you feel like you should tell me? I use that when I'm talking to entrepreneurs. When I get hired to go talk to entrepreneurs, these guys are getting ready to invest in. And they said, go talk to these people, see what's going on over there. As I talked to us, I'm here just to talk to you and see what's going on. You want to make it feel like it's the last thing you want to ask them, but when you're about three fourths of the way through, that's when you scoot that one out because that gives you that extra time to work on all that. If they say anything that's weird or out of pocket or something you didn't expect, you've still got that time to talk to them about it. I'll leave it there, but I think that the interrogator knew. What are you going to say, Greg? You know why I use it that way is I give them an out, make them feel like the door is close and then they feel liberated and then you go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. There's one more thing. There's one more thing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The island is huge. And then do you remember if at any time, so you were trying to get away from him and you heard the shot prior to the shot. Do you remember at any point hearing your husband or your brother saying anything to either of them? So my second very ridiculous question is, is there anything else that I didn't ask about or anything that we didn't cover that you think is important? I always ask that just because I wasn't there. So we're going through something that happened at a super small amount of time. Yes. So go for it. Just thinking. He was just so angry, like super scary. Did you take your phone away from like a 16 year old freak out like their world disagreed? It's like I've taken my phone away from a 16 year old boy before and he like, he wanted to kill itself because they killed that function. That's how it was. It was like, it's something on his phone that he does not want me to see that he was like freaking out. Like to the point where I thought he would hit me in the back with a head to get the phone. Okay. So you saw it. So what do you got?