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Man. Hey, man. We got a guy here today y'all He really don't need no introduction. This guy right here, man Man, what can how can I start? You know I'm saying this guy right here man mad TV man in a comic view You did a Def Jam Def Jam who else? Wait a minute. Let me think different world different world man Come on man. I can keep going too cuz he been busy here lately as well I'm gonna let her go cuz I get to going bro, and I forget she over there, but I'm not playing I get too excited, bro I'm saying go ahead baby. See he gets into the career I want to get to know you as a person because that's how I know if I'm gonna like you depending on what Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I know you were born in Chicago, but you were raised in New York, right? I'm really from New York. Why you don't say Chicago at all. You were born there You know homers where you lay a hat, you know, I mean everybody know that you know Michael Jordan claims, North Carolina Yeah, he's from New York. Yeah I Claim West Coast, but he also from New York Homers where you lay hat? Oh, okay. I was born in Chicago, but I left like I had to immediately after I was born And do you ever go back and forth though? Yeah, I have family out there Yeah, cuz if you go like every summer, you know, you enjoy the culture and stuff like I don't go in terms of family Like I used to when I was a kid Adolescent my father would take you know me and my sister back there because I have my aunts back Some of my cousins and half brothers and sisters, but Mainly when I go to Chicago now it's for business You know out there to perform. What's the difference between the culture of Chicago and New York? You know, I haven't spent enough time in Chicago to really understand what that culture is Mm-hmm. I know, you know instead of saying so today say pop. Yeah, you know, and they pronounce certain words different New York is crazy cuz my daughter she knows I just said she's in Providence But she has a lot of New Yorkers going to her school. Yeah, and she'd be like mom. They say it's mad brick outside And I'm like that's crazy the way how y'all say stuff and one thing I've always loved about New York Y'all are very passionate the way how y'all say things and the way how y'all have the hustle mentality when you go to Manhattan Then you go to New York and the way how they'll be always trying to hustle you and it's their job Could they try to make ends meet but I love that. Yeah, you know, I think from a cultural standpoint every ghetto hood whatever you want to call it, you know predominantly black area Everybody's a hustler, you know, it's just New York is such a fast-paced city And such a grimy city, but every hood is grimy, you know, I mean, but New York is just I would think it's just about more about the Pacing, you know, I mean New York is just a fast pace. You've got to constantly be on the move you on your toes And you know, so that's what I love about it. You know, I ain't coming from there You know, I grew up on my 80s, baby. I was born in 75. So most of my childhood Was uh, you know in and out of the city During the 80s and you know, New York is a different place now and it don't have that That jennesy quah Danger, you know used to be a time you go to Times Square. Yeah, you know, they had the porno houses the peep houses Times Square was a dangerous Corporations, yeah, it's one of the safest places you could be so while that's cool from a from a die-hard New Yorkers standpoint It's cool But it ain't New York like New York used to be like that But still home is home. So in the area that you grew up in New York, did it have like a lot of gangs and Violence and stuff like that in that area. Yeah, especially in the 80s in the 80s in the 90s Did you stay out of that or did you? I grew up poor, but I didn't grow up like in the projects. Okay, you know, I mean I had that but I you know, I grew up with mice and roaches and You know, uh, hand me downs and and all of that But uh, yeah, my mother kept me away from all that nonsense. So mama and dad was in the household together No, not really. I was I was primarily raised by my mom She raised me and my sister and then my dad was in and out and then towards the later part of my life When we moved to Jersey, that's when my mother and father finally got married and we all lived together Oh, how did how did you feel as a kid? It didn't affect you any much seeing that? Not really, you know, my father was always like the fun one, you know Not to say my mother was fun because my mother had a great sense of humor And I think I got a lot of my sense of humor from my mother, but I think it was the combination of both Okay, you know, my father had a deep love for like movies So that's where my love for cinema and TV came from was was from my dad So he would always scoop me and my sister up on the weekends and take us to the theater And you know, we watched a lot of TV. So, you know, I love both But yeah, no, it didn't affect me in a negative way Yeah, good to have an active father in a young boy's life growing up Yeah, I mean listen because my father wasn't necessarily there the way he probably should have been right or would have liked to have been So he tried to make up for that as much as he could once he see you when he did see us It was fun time, you know movies Disneyland great adventure buying stuff, you know, so yeah I dug that Wow The thing that I When I looked you up 14 years old say you started comedy. How in the hell do you start at 14? I'm trying to figure out how you got some grown-up letting you get on the stage or are you You got a fake idea in a beard My mother my mother would escort me to the clubs, okay, you know, and you know, whenever people tell The story of deaf comedy jam, which obviously was a huge comedy staple For black folks and gave so many people like me and Bill Bellamy and everybody that you've seen today Their official start. I know they give the credit to Stan Layton and Russell Simmons But yeah, the real brainpower behind Deaf comedy jam was a brother named Bob Sumner, okay Who from out of Jersey like he knew me and Bill and a lot of the cats in the tri-state area And it was really his idea and he took it to Stan Layton and took it to Russell And then they put they bring their name on it and stamped it which made it official Which allow us to get you know to HBO Wow, you know and and the thing I just start not early like you did man A lot of doors start to open up for you early, too You know what I'm saying like like when you look back at and and you was like now Well, you really it's something you said when you was talking about the Cat Williams thing We're gonna get in there later, but it's just the fact of being a legend or being somebody that people predominantly Look dog goat like the years and stuff that you put in is a long run Like to be who you are now and still be here because a lot of me here no more. Yeah I mean, you know, if I'm gonna brag on anything, that's probably my biggest sticking point is the longevity factor Yeah, you know, I've been doing this now officially 33 years. So come April of this year. It'll be 34 And it's to stay in power, you know dudes come and go, you know, but it's about the longevity if you if you can The longer you stick around the longest you remain relevant Especially, you know, look man, I ain't I ain't been in a huge movie since Jerry McGuire Yeah, like 99 Yeah 98 99 so it's been over 20 years, you know, I mean and and and I haven't been on TV since mad TV You know, I've done little appearances here and there but as far as anything major or consistent I haven't been in that public. I like that and yet, you know, that other people tell it I'm still one of the most relevant respected cats in the game. So that's a testament to my staying power and my material and and You know, some of these interviews that I do where people can understand I try to be as authentic as I can Even if I go against the grain of what's popular. Yeah people's opinions. So, you know, I just do me man I don't see you from being in those films black ball. They bought they black-balled me And I'm over with him cuz I really hadn't researched him because I hadn't had the chance I think I know my stuff Talk about I've been black ball, but they still get work, but just not the same type of work Yeah, I mean listen the climate has changed a little bit, you know now through Social media and the power of your phone and certain platforms. You can still Be like a rose in the concrete. You can still find a way to get in to be. Yeah, so whatever it is As you know in this business, you're always one something away From breaking through whether it's a commercial a TV show a movie Something that goes viral, you know, whereas, you know back in the 80s and the 90s All you had was the platform of television or a movie, right? And if you couldn't get through with one of those Then you know You had a fight up on your hands, but now with all these different avenues, you know You can sneak your way in there and at the end of the day money talks, you know So once you show that you can produce revenue all that other shit go out the window So when you think about like even to Raji because you know, the other day we were talking about, you know The color purple she did a color purple, but she came out on on that interview and was talking about the pay for black Females and how she's been underpaid and how she failed and so forth What and you've been in industry somewhat What do you feel about what she said? You know, that was part of my thing that I tied into the Kevin the cat Williams situation, you know I mean, I know you want to jump in When I first seen it, I mean he slid across the board on everybody He didn't leave nobody out when he was talking about people that he had done evidently had some type of encounter with over the years You know, so I feel like okay when he got it off Already know how he is, you know, so I know that but he don't talk a lot He ain't just getting on no big platforms are doing podcast. So when they hit I Didn't expect to do what it did but that thing went crazy, man Yeah, you know, listen, and I'm catching flak for it like a motherfucker on my page, you know, it's like I'm I'm scarface at the end of the movie Well, I'm on the balcony with a thousand Colombians trying to shoot at me, you know, I mean But I stand on what I said and you know, I know I feel like honestly part of the reason Why people are upset or there's the backlash is because they see themselves in that mirror that I'm pointing in a direction Yeah, you know, my original point was, you know, listen There's a reason why the saying exists within the black community crabs in a barrel You know me and slavery has done such a number on us that you know Rather than just come together the way that we should for the betterment of us This is what we do. We love drama. We love gossip We love this bullshit and my whole point was and still is This is a news cycle and when people say things like protect cat at all costs and he's the goat and I and I sit on my post Everybody is the goat to their fan base and I'm not gonna dilute him being your goat if that's your goat I applaud it. He's a talented motherfucker. He's one of the best in the game So I can understand that subjective feeling. Well, you said Richard Pry is the goat that he's the goat But go talk aside. My thing was When you go protect him at all costs, let's have some perspective He didn't turn the world on his access. He's not curing cancer. He's not curing AIDS. He's not solving racism He's not solving black poverty. So when you say protect him, what do we what are you protecting them about and you go? Well, he told his truth. All right, but how did his truth help you? How did his truth change your life? How did his truth change anything? All those people he talked about They still gonna get their bread. They still gonna have a fan base. They still gonna work people still gonna respect them and adore them What was the purpose of that? My thing is this why not use that mouthpiece and that platform and that energy for the betterment of us So now you got beef with all these people you've given them reasons to not like you over what a Stole the joke and I was telling my man to draw me down here What what a lot of people don't know is cats a hypocrite cuz cat done stole jokes one of his most popular jokes on his specials He took from JB smooth So everybody's stolen jokes, but again finger-pointing and talking shit How does that help us now when you look at Taraji P. Henson and you go And she's not the only one that's complained Viola Davis Monique Monique her Look at all our black actresses Gabrielle Union Regina Hall. They all face that problem. So why not go instead of beefing? Kevin cat let's do a movie together Let's hire those black actresses Let us and the black community and black Hollywood come together and form like Voltron So that we can do what white folks do without needing white folks, you know It's like, why do we have to wait for them to give us our flowers on their Oscars or their Emmys or their Golden Globes? Where's our own award shows we've been too separated for too long and this is what we talk about Yeah, but because she stepped out and said what she said 50 cent reached out to her and wanted to work with her and trying to help her to get that bag a bigger bag than what she's ever gotten because he even said you know because I think people thought that he was joking around when he said What he said he came back and said look at what I got for Mary J from stars because of me I can do that for her Yeah, okay, but why are we waiting for her to come to tears? We should have been done this, you know They that that studio called DreamWorks this made up of David Geffen Eisenberg and Spielberg Where is our DreamWorks? Yeah, we got Tyler Perry, but that's all we got. We got we got billionaires We got Oprah. We got Jay-Z. We got Michael Jordan Roberts. We got Magic Johnson Roberts, but when are we going to come together? So that we can build our own empire to amass our own wealth and then take that money and funnel it back into our Communities so that we could be like Tulsa, Oklahoma again before the massacre and the riots and the murders That's true. Why wait? Why are we focused on a? Gossip high school type beef over jokes when we got black women in our industry crying about unfair treatment and pay But what are we doing? But you can't I gotta be the devil's advocate because you've had beef so different situations with different People that you've said this or that about whether it be who have a phase on all y'all back and forth All y'all have done you and Mike I seen the thing where you was just joking and y'all had a little joking back and forth, you know dear, but all I'm saying is That's the way I looking from the outside looking in it's like all of y'all are comedians and y'all have all had y'all dead You know where y'all went back and forth with each other He just came out and just slid across everything that he ever thought he had a issue with okay But what did it change? How did it move the needle? How did it move us forward and people really paid attention to my post? I said in the post. Yes. I'm guilty of doing the same thing. Yeah, but I'm also 45 I'm tired of being a 45 year old 15 year old. Yeah, at what point do we grow up? Grow up. That's real, but what you say that but what you saying that I look at a different perspective of it I hear a lot people say the reason why I do stand-up comic Yes, it's also to make people laugh But it's also it's my cheaper way of having therapy instead of going to a therapist I come out here and tell all my business all everything that I go through and laugh about it get it off my chest That's what rappers do they put in their music and just let it out. So in my mind He's been holding all of this for so long. So when he came on it didn't benefit nobody But for him letting it go to the world, maybe that helped him mentally. I don't buy that for one day We all have egos we're entertainers and entertainers have egos You have to have a little bit of an ego to make it in this business because there's a certain amount of belief You absolutely have to have within yourself because this business is designed to strip you of your your your confidence And you're in felt in your worth So in order to fight that yeah, you got to be a little arrogant But but I believe most of that is ego driven Most of that is ego driven, you know, but okay You've been in comedy you've been in doing this for some for a lot of years And you've seen the way how internet and everything has changed and people have become more vocal Than what it used to be because of the internet because they can get it out there to the masses really quick Is that I know there's some disadvantages of that but what are the benefits of that? You know, I always say and I think I also said it in my post This internet thing it's a blessing and a curse Because listen, we all are guilty of scrolling through our phones for entertainment purposes mainly and listen I ain't gonna lie I've scrolled across some things that make me laugh hard as hell by just some regular Joe Right, but at the same time it gives everybody a voice now And everybody don't deserve to be heard because most people don't have nothing to say Most people are trying to be comedians and they stink It's only a small percentage of people that really are true intellectuals are truly funny truly gifted It's like I look at it like let me put it in this analogy. I don't know how old you are. I'm 48 I'm very close to you. I'm a little older than you You're young but I'm gonna talk to you about New York cuz I want to get all in Studio 54 70s in early 80s it was the hottest nightclub on the planet Yeah, yeah, but the line to get in was ridiculous and everybody couldn't get in there was certain rules You had to look a certain way you were hand-picked Everybody don't deserve to get in the studio 54. I lie everybody don't deserve to be heard because most of it is nonsense and garbage so it's like yeah with the phone thing and And and and and like to say it in spider-man with great power comes great response So when you got a bunch of people looking at these messages on on the phones from people just yammering People aren't smart enough to know Don't believe that that's now we starting to spread this message of bullshit Like for instance, like they were people going yo And you know with the phone you can edit put music make it dramatic pray for Kevin Hart Pray for Kevin Hart his fan base is turning on them cuz the cat really Kevin Hart can sell out any arena in on the planet 80,000 you think Kevin needs your fucking prayers Kevin's gonna be just fine Cat didn't shake up the world Everybody gonna be fine Steve gonna still be a millionaire Chris Teppin gonna still be a millionaire Work they all gonna still be in movies. They're all gonna still sell out shows. I'm still gonna get my paper I'm still gonna work stop the bullshit That's what I'm saying. This was a waste of time. What did it do? You really think cat stopping Kevin's bread Nigga, please but you have some people like Mike Epps who say Kevin and I mean Talk about me and positive negative. I don't care. Just He's gonna be alright So it's like dude, I'm just sitting here going when people go He needed to stand on his truth We needed to hear the truth if Martin Luther King was still alive or Malcolm X was still alive or mega evers We're still alive and they had something to say to release truth That would be beneficial to us because look at the source. He's a matter of comedian Over jokes, you're not silly. This is he's saying that the reason that the Steve Harvey thing up came up I think I seen a whole clip of DC Curry where he talked about Steve Allegedly that Steve pretty much seen his kids and him at the mall early on before that Detroit thing happened And that's what stimulated the beef thing between them where he wouldn't take pictures with with with cats kids So he see him when he jump, you know, he's not my who he heals today And he felt like bam like dang man, you know, he didn't do me, right? So I got this chip on my shoulder and and that's how Okay, but listen listen nobody owes you anything Nobody has to do anything. I'm a Michael Jordan fanatic. I know that I'm always said I'm scared to meet the motherfucker because if he ever shit on me, I'm gonna say something I don't mean You That's why they say you be careful. You don't want to meet your heroes Yeah, yeah, cuz a lot of times you may be disappointed and what's so funny is I've had people tell me Yeah, man, I met this person this person dudes that are ten times bigger than me and they were like man They were such dicks. They shit on me. They didn't acknowledge made me feel this small if anybody that knows anything about me I am the most non-hollywood nigga on the planet as long as you approach me with respect Dude, I'll chop it up with you shake your hand get your hug. We could talk I'm the most, you know, approachable dude in the world That's not Hollywood as long as you hit me with respect. No, and I could see that That's why I told you I had never researched you like I did through when I after menus after I text you It was like I got to take him out there when I did I'm like, man Really, I looked at the Vlad interviews. I like really you counseling vat bled Black culture, you know, I'm looking from a different perspective and I'm like damn He don't want to kind of see do his interview where he ain't just gonna let a nigga make it He's gonna educate you on this man. Listen, I don't ever claim to be the smartest person in the room But what I know, I think I know So, you know within the conversation I'm not gonna side step or not say what I Believe to be true. Yeah, and if I'm wrong and you educate me, I'm with that too. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, man I love seeing I said, I don't even watch watch Vlad like that and definitely shout out to him because he's been in this game Well, I don't been in two years, but I'm just saying to see how you and you and him help to the chemistry That was probably one of my better I don't watch him like that. So I'm like, damn Well, you know the funny thing that the funny thing that always sticks out to me is You know, I got a lot of black people to be like man, stay off Vlad platform culture vulture And I'm like, well, first of all you keep saying to me, man, I hate that nigga every time I watch I hate that nigga every time I watch I hate that nigga. Let's rewind the tape every time I watch I hate the nigga. So if you hate him, why is every time you watch you're watching So he knows what to do to keep you engaged. Yeah, that's just called, you know Smart business. Yeah. And listen, and I also go, I ain't like I'm on there for free. He pays me. Correct He pays me a nice five figures. Yeah So If my choice is either Stay home on a Tuesday and do nothing and earn nothing Or go sit down for an hour and a half and walk away with five figures where I could not make anything What am I gonna do? No, I'm gonna make the money and I get to check them. No, I see it That's a win-win to me. I'm enjoying it when I see it. I'm like, okay I see what's going on now Like you and your passion probably gonna get you in trouble all the time because you when you speak the tonality and the way you deliver Oh, listen, man It's my greatest asset and my biggest detriment This this help this gets me money and loses me money I see it. I'm telling you what I look I said, damn what he say it'd be Perfetto like it's really hit different. So what I'm seeing and take these blows It's like, I hope he don't get upset because he really give it to him. I know that's not his thing He's and I even said to people, uh, I finally said one time on the show I said, guys, I'm reading the comments and y'all always go. Well, this last time Vlad gonna have him on Man, I know Vlad is not that fragile. Number one, and he's a smart businessman He knows with me and him the goal is like Ali and cosel. Yeah, he knows the chemistry pops the arguments It's great tv It's damn good. It would be stupid for him not to bring me back. Damn good tv Yeah, he knows what he's doing. I sit there and watch. I'll be like, this is good stuff, man I ain't gonna lie. I'm like, man, you told me about all that. I see what you say. I'm a show I'm a showman, you know what I mean? Like I'm on Ali and it's like you being on the camera and And you telling him to get on the camera. You like he like I built but not like that It take a Kim people don't realize how much chemistry it take to get on camera and really hold the audience attention, man Let me tell you something, man And I said this before like, you know, uh, especially before the pandemic when it was like Mandatory for comics to come to town get up early go do radio And I've had so many radio DJs tell me dude, there's so many comedians we have in here where it's like They grade on stage because that's their thing But when they get in here It's that's the truth and I go listen, man Every comic don't know how to translate you just because you a comic don't mean you can translate your funny from stage to radio This is a different thing here. It's a different medium But it all is under the umbrella of entertainment. So I feel like the greatest comedians should be able to do it all TV film radio Stand up voice over if you funny you funny that should translate no matter what you do So, uh, yeah, when I do that and I read the comments, that's one of the things people say all the time to go, yo Y'all's chemistry, man It's crazy. Are you read all your comments? I try to not read all of them, but I do because to me it's like being in sports I gotta look at game tape. I mean, I gotta I gotta know what people are saying So I can look at the tape and go, okay next time do this and say that that's right say this and don't say that That's right. So in certain points, you know, because with Vlad how you got his camera set up You know if my interview is here and I got a camera that's here even though I know I'm here I turn and I play into that. I've seen you do it. You know what I'm saying? It's it's like and a lot of dudes don't know That's an entertainer too. That's an entertainer because whenever you're on stage You got to work the stage because you have people not only in front of you But over here because I hate when I sit on the side and all you do is pay attention to here You don't ever look this way. It's working the stage. Right. It's it's complete That's what I'm saying. It's certain jokes and certain things I say If I turn and look directly in that camera after I say it, that's the punchline. Exactly. That's the joke That's what makes people go. Oh this So you have to know all of that. So it's like, yeah, man. It's it's look at game tape, man That's the national one-on-one. You all need to learn that. Hey, man. Listen DMX man I seen you that did RP to DMX, but I seen you did that skit a long time ago on that show with him, man Like that was a I didn't know that and when I seen I'm like, damn So and back then I'm gonna bring the dress thing up and all that Like you was early on that like do you think that this big facade where when you put this dress on Like we just had Brandon T Jackson on here. He was saying after he wore the dress He felt like, you know, like damn like he because his belief system that wasn't a thing for him But you but you don't he figure that out over and over again Do it again Because let me tell you something That's stigma. I don't buy into that. First of all Men in drag has always been a comedy staple And and it's funny because this is when you read some of the comments and you see where people aren't educated Because one of the talking points of black people to bring up is It's a masculine black man. You don't see white men doing that. Are you out of your mind? They wear kilts No, no, but forget the kilts. Dustin Hoffman and tootsie Robin Williams. It's Mrs. Doubtfire. Exactly. Tom Hanks and bosom buddies. Why got Milton burl? It's just been a comedy staple period and then again, I use two words balance and perspective When you look at the landscape of all our leading black men in Hollywood And first of all men in drag has always been a comedic thing. That's why you don't see dramatic actors do it But before we get to that, let's look at the actors anywhere from Denzel to Don Cheadle to sam jackson morgan freeman uh Ving Reigns Eddie Murphy, I could go on and on and on westy snipes They play four more roles Not in the dress than they do in the dress right and in terms of positive black male imagery We've played everything from superheroes to lawyers to doctors to judges politicians cops loving fathers to voted husbands So in terms of balance and perspective as long as the scales weigh heavily in favor of positive imagery of black men not in dresses Then you can have a little bit of that and a little bit of that is comedic and then I say be honest with yourself You mean to tell me That eddie murphy one of the most iconic comedians in comedy who we all love and respect If he decided to do stand-up again because of uh the nutty professor And nor bit rescue sits you've lost respect for eddie murphy. He's no longer an icon and a legend in our eyes You won't go seeing in his movies. Jamie fox Triple threat actor singer comedian. You loved him when he was wandering and living color He won an oscar So you telling me now we don't respect jamey fox if jamey come to your city to do stand-up You're not coming to see him perform. You're not supporting his movies. Let's go down the list marlin and shone wands martin laurance the martin show My was a beloved staple in the black community So was you knocking him when he was doing shenanigans? Was you knocking him when he was doing mama pain? Did you not support him when he did the three big mama movies? uh You know again kevin hart richard prior who is the goat His legend is tainted because he played a maid in the toy flip wilson as jeraldine Back in the 70s when blacks weren't really on tv like that He was considered an icon and legend because it was the first black man with his own show And he created an iconic character and jeraldine. So now we don't respect flip wilson We're gonna put an asterisk in his name in the history books. You're lying Stop lying Come on man Was he the first to have his own show? No to um, who was the first black man to put on a dress? I want to say him is jeraldine. Yeah, I could be wrong. Okay, uh, but certainly he was the first guy with his own variety show That helped a lot where he put richard prior on and help other black people get on. So that's what i'm just saying This whole black man in a dress is to demean. I've never bought into that because the black man that we have or Had had in cinema Have given us every reason to not feel demeaned And that's why i'm saying the men in dresses have only been strictly for comedy and those scales Are are lean one way heavily than they do the other way. So let's have some perspective and keep some balance Come on, man. Did you Okay, when was the first time that you put a dress on was it on mad tv or was it before that? Probably mad tv for the dmx kit and when you did it was it any second thought about no If you like this just come i am secure and who the fuck i am i'm the most pussy getting this motherfucker on the planet whether i get it for free or pay for it outright I don't i don't i don't that shit don't mean nothing to me I have so many dudes hitting me up in my in my instagram Uh, either calling me a faggot or gay or calling me a sellout That shit don't mean nothing to me Because i'm securing who i am. I know who i am. I take care of my fam I make sure my kids straight, you know, my my my woman ain't complaining about nothing You know, I live a great life. I do what I do. I answer to nobody. I'm my own boss You know, I got millions. I don't give a fuck but that was okay. So we're in a dress But then I would research in you I came across a video where you were doing it almost like a music video But it was a it was a spoof. Yeah For my showtime special called hollywood. Look i'm smiling and at the end of it I did a skit because we all know this, you know, even before little nons ex We all know there's been homosexuality right in hip hop So I created a character named big bugga bugaloo. Who was the gay rapper? And at one point I said, uh, well dude, I had a dude massage my back I said and when I say my man, he really my man, right and I gave him a pat Yeah, everybody is hitting me up on my instagram showing me that skit nigga. What's up with this? Right? What's up with it? Yeah, it was a skit. It was comedic. It's art So, you know, but that's just the black community has always been ultra homophobic You know, I do a joke where I talk about getting a prostate exam And i'm telling you immediately I look in the crowd and and the brothers And in the joke I say Black man, we've always had a stigma about doctors and hospitals, you know We won't we won't get a prostate exam because the idea of a man Sticking his finger in your ass It's it's homophobic Because of homosexuality and I'm going it's a fucking exam for your health Get the goddamn procedure and a lot of y'all would rather die Because you don't want to be associated with anything gay. How fucking stupid is that? You you you are going to ignore your health because you are homophobic and then I later in the joke go, uh You know, it's funny when I tell that joke I look in the crowd and I can see a lot of brothers Like this y'all want to laugh but you're fighting it right white guys don't have a problem laughing at that Because white boys play gay games with each other all the time So even when I address the elephant in the room that gets to laugh because the truth is in the details I know why y'all niggas not laughing the joke is funny But the mere idea of you laughing at it. You think makes you gay How stupid is that but I gotta ask this part with that because I know you did that skit But how far would you take it in a movie role if somebody came up to you and said, okay? I have a movie role. I need you to play this gay actor and you're gonna be in bed with this other man That's what I'm trying to see how far Because that you know to me Yeah, that's another boundary, you know, I mean maybe listen to an extent That's where maybe my homophobia kicks in Okay, I mean I mean for the skit for a comedy moment that lasts to the second a little That's you know, that was that but anything in terms of being graphic with it or really getting deep in it Yeah, I don't I wouldn't be comfortable Okay, I want to take you back to the mad tv for a second like when you were doing those those episodes did you feel the uh Competitiveness with snl. Did you even feel that or you were just focused on the you know what I mean? Everybody from the outside looking in. Yeah, they were like this is uh, you know, listen, uh The younger generation Like I'll have people come up to me and my show is going man. I grew up on you Which makes me feel old That means when they were kids we were their show their parents Belong to snl, but the reality is It no matter how many people said and even people that watch snl would go man. Y'all are so much funnier than them Yeah, but you know what the reality is snl is the nfl and we're the cfl You can't compete with the big boys. You know, they they was the bully on the block You know, they they were so big if they did a skit and they wanted to mock a mcdonald's like a do a A skit about mcdonald's they actually had the means to use mcdonald's the logo The arch really they could say mcdonald's we would have to go nick donald's We have to use an N Right, you know, so they As much as we Enjoyed the compliment and we knew we were funny at m4 like a good Six-year stretch we were beating them in terms of like, you know, emmy noms and all it but they that's you that's For you to even say that that that's big for you to even say that though. Yeah That I'm just staying on there for a second 198 episodes Isn't what they're saying that you appeared in You played a major part in that like when people look back in history and they look at that It'll never it ain't gonna just go away and I can't believe that you hadn't been in more stuff And living color was that in the midst of that or after that? We were after that Y'all was after that. So this all this stuff is you know, I mean these are these are things where really I feel like you you you you test in the water a lot of times like doing things that had never been done before, right? Yeah, I mean and also, you know That golden era of the 90s before all this Wokeness and political correctness and this moisture age we live in We could get away with all we got away with shit that we you couldn't get away with today That's right. We just couldn't get away with that. So we you know, we were like uncut cocaine We was pure had been stepped on mixed nothing now today. Everything is diluted. Yeah. Yeah, but um, okay So when I was doing another research, I know that you are I want to say almost the king at imitating other people voices and stuff like that Out of all the people that you do Who was the most difficult for you to really try to imitate? You know for a long time and I've always been a huge fan still am to this day of uh, one of my favorite tv shows Of all times sopranos So I would always watch and I would want to do a James Gandolfini Tony Soprano and I could never get it But then one day I was watching this dude who was on america's got talent And he was constantly posting uh him either doing polyglotieri from the sopranos or James Gandolfini And I'm watching one day. I got it. I just I honed in to what he was doing and when I caught the note I ended up doing it and after practicing it practicing it for a little bit. I ended up doing it better than him You know, I want to hear it. I want to hear. Wow, you know when he talks, uh I'm talking about my sister jettish I'm gonna do the jettish check. So I was you know, it's the ish So when I went here to ish, I started just practicing the ish and next thing you know It's like, you know, all the guys are going down to the bottom end with ish To get the fuck about I got with the good gravy the money in the bush So I said then once I And that made me get it. So yeah I was proud to get that one because I was such a fan and I wanted to How long did it take you to get it? A couple of weeks. Oh really of just So you get them like that when you try Impressions is like people that have an ear for music, you know tone inflection Rhythm cadence and everybody's voice is a note. So like, you know, you think about shack shack is breathy and bassy That's not gonna score 2810. I'm a dominant if I score 2810 That's barbecue chicken inside outside. You got score 2810 He's in the eyes of everything. So shack is real, you know, it's hover jc a bite. No Hovers, you know that register, you know, I mean, so yeah, it's just Loaning in on people's tones and inflections, but accent. So can you do a Jamaican accent like a true Jamaican accent is terrible True Jamaican accent What do I want them on go down there? To somebody who's not a true Jamaican right that sounds off Right, but to a real Jamaican They know We want move. She's saying he not Jamaican. I was like, I'm gonna tell you something which is So funny, I don't know if you've ever seen it, but if you've never seen it watch it and you'll know what I mean Now Denzel Washington is one of our greatest actors all your all time Did you ever see the mighty queen? Long time ago. It was years. I haven't watched that in a while And this is why I have such a respect and you have to have such a respect For certain aspects of the game because when I say everything don't translate translate Like Denzel is one of the greatest actors of all time. I can name a lot of great actors But doing an accent is one of the hardest things to do And you would think as great as an actor as Denzel is he could pull that off His Jamaican accent is so terrible at one point in certain scenes His attempt to do a Jamaican accent sounds like an attempt and he just bleeds right into Losing it But most of them are terrible Most actors want to do Jamaican accents are terrible. The ones that I find that is really really good I have to research and they usually always have like a mother who is Jamaican or somebody You know, so they've been already talking like that I notice they put a lot of emphasis on mon The mon go downstairs mon You know, but Denzel was like What I'm going to do and then I'm gonna go upstairs I'm anxious it would start out horrible and then turn American You gotta see it. I mean, it's just I gotta watch it again And I love me some Denzel like everybody else and he is one of the greatest actors of all time My favorite, but I was like Damn, they didn't hire a dialect coach or somebody that could pull him to the side because it's terrible Cause what's her name? Just got an Oscar the other day too. Um, for the first time. Oh my god What's black actress name the best black actor in the best Just got her first Oscar. I saw it the other day. Was that was that First I was an Oscar was a grand no Oscar, but yeah, who was the Oscars on that's what I was wondering But I saw it posted the other day that she just got You saw it and that she got her first during I didn't see it on tv. I didn't see it. I saw it on social media It was like you gotta be careful. They slid her a secret award I'm like, dang. Yeah, is Andy Murphy still heavy still never gotten No, no Why some you said earlier was so riveting the fact of we can't wait on people to honor us, bro That's what I'm saying. We can't that's why I get my thing with the cat Okay, he stood in his truth of all right But why not use that energy For something greater Instead of this a new cycle gossip bullshit. Did he run a 4.3? They said he did I don't know do you believe it? Do you believe you know when cat? I've never done a drug in my life You know, I've never been the nigga you've done drugs Some of the shit he's done. We don't do that. We calm you down fighting 14 year olds niggas stop it 19 arrests, but never no convictions. So what are we celebrating nigga? Is that a brag? I've been arrested 19 times, but never no convictions, but you were arrested 19 times. What are you bragging about? LeBron James, I've been in the finals of gazillion times only four championships. What are you bragging about? I know that might not be the best analogy Because the positive thing is he won the championships. Yeah, but you begin with LeBron. Hey, oh A lot of people love LeBron now. He's the money. I'm a Michael Jordan fan. So I'm not going to even go there with you I didn't like Michael Jackson Michael Jordan, sorry Michael Jordan. I did not I was always rooting for everybody was Michael Jordan. I'm Opposite They wasn't even old enough to do nothing back then We all I'm old Larry cool, but Larry now you say I was the autonomous or something that's different You know what I'm saying them boys worked hard, but he kept knocking them out the way He they couldn't get in male man. Malone Them boys have nightmares right now Was and is very talented I don't like going there because I know who the goat was I'm not a cowboys fan because everybody no Because they're so called america's team, but they haven't won a super bowl in high How long everywhere I take you don't you see the jersey? Don't you see the people the reaction is great You see it all over america. You got to acknowledge it. He sees it everywhere you go Yeah, even in Kansas, even though they win you're gonna have a couple of old jerks like my boy Dallas is like the Lakers, you know, that's just a franchise that Is adored heavily and hated heavily. Yeah, so they're the best brand brand wise. They are the best brand ever Yeah, but one thing I can't say man when you seem like like you see Cat Williams and he's the type of guy that he's gonna come back from this Kevin's gonna come back from this I agree with you a hundred there's nothing to come back from far as far as With the with the internet the internet is right in your face. So but again, we have this is why go We have to be careful with this because the message that is sent out is that somehow they need to come back They took a l cat damaged their careers. That is ridiculous Nobody's needs to come back from anything. Nobody really even needs to respond to anything They're going to still be the millionaires there are they are and while all the people that are like ooh and I'm Are worried about what's going on with that bullshit. How's your life? Are you rich? That's real. Do you have a boss you have to answer to Do you have a grind that you got to get up and do every day that you hate because you're not living your dream Hey, Chris Tucker all in people Ricky smiley steve sedrick. They're living their dream While you work for somebody. Yeah, they're living their dream while you punch the clock While you cheerleading for them you got they back so hard protected all costs You're so protected of them. You come to my page and you calling me a cornball nigger of this of that Is cat paying your rent? Is he putting your kids to college? Is he putting dinner on your table while you cheerleading for this man so hard How has he changed your life by his truth? Wow, did you but hold on but but it's almost the same like okay, so when wil smith slapped chris rock Did wil smith actually come back from all of that like how he did before like how he was before the slap smith. He'll be fine He'll be fine Time heals everything. That's true, but he hasn't been working like he used to Okay, what does that mean what he's living out of a lot of us? No, he's not No, he's not and he'll be fine. Trust me. He'll be fine As soon as he does that next movie that kills at the box office Yeah, he's wil smith again It's it's it's ridiculous You know, well, I gotta ask you about this because you're in texas now Um, when did you start having an issue with lizzo? I gotta ask you that like I know I know what you just said something and everybody in the internet just sprung to it. Yeah I never had a I don't know the woman personally. I've never met her. I don't have an issue with her I was being a comedian. Okay. I am I'm a comedian. What did he say? Well, it was a joke about how she looked and whatnot You know and then we had phase on on here and he said something about it to be honest Which he would like, um, you know, why is he talking about fat people? You know, you had lost a little weight to the end too. I was looking at you So it's like you used to be a little bigger and you don't trim down now It's almost like, okay, we gotta protect the fat people at all costs. Yeah You know that again as much as I love Social media kind of as as much as it can be a blessing It is definitely a curse because I'm telling you it gives everybody a platform I mainly use it for as a promotional tool You tell you what show I got going on and also if you do it, right? You can make money off of it You know what I mean? So from a business standpoint That to me is the greatest gift you can have But the fact of the matter is the mass majority of the people on there Ain't using it for business. They don't know how to use it for business They got no reason to use it for business So they on there for the likes and the comments when I post I don't post to just be posting I'm posting with a purpose. I'm making money You know what I mean for the comedy clips that I post I'm making five figures a month off of facebook You know certain things that I at the end of every all of one of my posts I always go and subscribe to my podcast blah blah blah blah blah blah because when I get those numbers up And I use those Advertiser dollars for my pocket. I get paid. Right. I'm doing shit for likes and comments I kind of feel like you somewhere here recently started to figure it out even more like about the monetizations Just looking at through what I started to figure out was this and Warren Buffett has a great quote If you can't control your emotions, you can't control your money And I would get into verbal wars with people on on instagram Mother could say something to me And then those people report you your account gets blocked now you can't monetize You've taken yourself out of position to make money because you couldn't control your emotions Fuck them It doesn't mean anything So put your ego away Ignore shit continue to monetize continue to build continue continue to you know build relationships and make money You know what I mean? That's the best thing you can do for yourself Wow I was going to say something about what you were talking about. I sleep I'm gonna be real with you. You just like I said you come through really in a way to where You educate more when I watch your interviews to be honest with you like like I didn't know that at first I know my aggression can be eternal. Oh, it's it's crazy. It can go either way I'm a new yorker. I'm an Aries I'm a I'm a uh, I'm a man So I got all the the alpha shit That line up, you know, my zodiac sign is Aries. I'm April 3rd So, you know, we are fiery sign so between me being an Aries me being from new york me being a man You know, I got all the ingredients in the hostility gumbo. Yeah, you know what I mean? So like but that's just who I am I'm just you know I'm sitting back. I'm sitting back looking at it this morning. I said boy, this dude right here He got a hell of a punchline and you do know what you're doing. You come from a long line of Being on tv and then now standing on that stage. I seen you I seen you do a few jokes that was hilarious about this one black guy in houston. I think he had two white girls with that was hilarious Bro, I enjoyed that. I'm like, I'm glad somebody had the camera on this in there. I know that chain to cut that camera Oh So like how is it like like when you look at like Being in stand-up and all these years the people following you how much What's crazy or what's confident Thing that a thing that has made people really like made you really feel aware about people Like when it when it come down to it like your fans something that they done that kind of moved you Did they have a tattoo on them of you or I would hope not oh, you never know, you know I've seen I've seen the dude the other day put a dude on his leg. This is what I mean You know, uh, and I'm not a real big football guy My extent of knowledge of football and enjoyment comes from playing madden But as far as like really watching the game knowing players knowing plays I'm not part of the cult right, but dudes they get Like the players names and faces and the team logos Tattoo him and and more importantly when I look on social media dudes that get in fights in the stands I'm going these players don't know you They were a lot of a lot of what y'all fight for and this tribalism the sports tribalism A lot of these same dudes they go to dinner together They hang out with each other their friends They don't feel the way about each other that you do about the opposing teammate and team Calm the fuck down And a lot of times I'm and again my dude listen because of who I am and what I do I meet so many people both in sports and entertainment where I go. Oh, shit That's so and so In my mind. I know I'm supposed to know them I don't expect them to know me and then they go airy spares. Yeah, I'm a fan, bro Now I'm giddy inside because I'm like, you know Yeah, like my boy is Michael Irvin And when I used to do the best damn sports show and Mike was on for like a couple of months And I didn't I didn't know Mike prior to that but when we would do the uh The briefings before the taping to discuss what we were going to discuss Man, I was cutting up in that room so hard. Mike would fall out of his chair and be like, this nigga crazy So I know Mike. I know Shaq. I know certain players. So And even then I'm not tattooing your image on my body. You know what I mean? We jack it up. So I love but I know them so they're not going to disrespect me or act a certain way where I go Man, if a lot of you do to a fight and these niggas in the stands were to meet your favorite player They're probably shit on you. They won't give you the love you want. They may not take that picture They may walk off and treat you like you ain't shit And you got this niggas name on your back and you will in a dime as hell He might even fuck your girl if you're not careful and you worship in this nigga And I'm not saying all of them are like that because I'm sure there's there's some pretty cool dudes But I'm telling you man. I've seen shit where Die hard fans be like, yo, so is old and then they look down on them. I'm like, they ain't shit You see that that's gotta hurt. You see what happened with uh, with chameleon air when he met your boy Michael Jordan Yeah, see what I mean, but listen it happens. It happens, but listen You might think because that's Michael Jordan. He got billionaire He my everybody's susceptible to a bad day He might have gotten the fight with Juanita I'm like that bitch and here come chameleon air So, you know, because I've also and and that's why when I've asked people who have known Mike or met Mike I go, yo, is he really a asshole? And I thought people go, man, he is the coolest dude and I go really Millionaire story. Yeah Everybody says that about him that he's like that But a lot of people also say he's not like that So that's what I'm saying now and I'm just saying from for me Sometimes you have to meet people at the right time right or sometimes people don't approach you the right way I've had people come up to me and say wow shit to me off the cuff and it's like nigga. You don't even know me You just met me and that's your first approach Now I'm mad Or I might just not be in a good mood that day. I had a fight with my baby mom You know what I mean now ain't the time But for the most part I try to make sure that anytime I walk out the door I put on that right face because you know when you famous and you hit the public You kind of belong to the public and that's how I always felt as a Unconsumer of a celebrity's work is the fact that I understand that you're a human and you have bad days and all of that But you signed up for this. This is what you because so whenever you walk out the door People are going to come to you. Can I get a picture with you? Can I get your autograph? Can I do that and you're supposed to have that great spirit because No matter if you have a bad day if you have to go on stage to perform You're going to do what you're supposed to do on stage. So why don't you do the same thing in front of your? Fans because these fans are going to buy yourself It's a little different because when you go on stage the people that have bought the tickets They're there They've made they bought them their money is in your pocket When I'm walking down the street your money ain't in my pocket. So I'm not obligated You know to do anything No, I'm not I don't have to do anything. But I'm but I'm also again. That's why I'm just going I kind of get it it's it's comes with the gig when you go out into the public You can't especially, you know the the more famous you are It's to be expected. So you want to try to act accordingly, but you don't technically have to You know, well, I gotta ask you about um, and and you don't have to answer that you can Because you have a long history of stuff Cory Holcomb um, I seen you name him During breakfast club days as your mount rushmore And he's still on it. He's still on it and and like but you guys kind of over time people go through stuff Like do you think you guys are ever, you know what I mean? I hope so You see what I'm saying because I love seeing y'all chemistry. This is what I'm talking about You know, this is what I'm talking about when I say growth for me to sit here and go Oh, because we had a beef. He's no longer on my mouth. That's that's some female shit. That's vaginal reaction He's still there. It don't change who he is as a comedian. He's still one of the coldest in the game And yeah, I would love to hopefully one day we could work together because that's part of the growth If I was to sit here and hold that grudge you go man I ain't gonna fuck with that nigger and he might not ever want to fuck with me and that's fine, but but you know Again, let's for the betterment. Let's better for the betterment of us You know, let's let's figure shit out Yeah, because like I said, you you one of those guys that like I said you History you ain't going nowhere, you know, I'm saying I look at like I talked to I talked to country Wayne yesterday, but Those guys the newer comedians I asked this question to everybody and and I'm not gonna continue to ask it because I've seen an issue when I came in the game Me and bubble dove talked this morning too These internet guys that come in the game the way they're coming in now When you look at the dizzy banks the marco the funny marcos all of them Which I deal with those newer guys like and I deal with a lot of the guys that come from the going to those Comedian halls like you was in Harlem and really bringing it, you know, these guys didn't have to go through that But um when you see them and you see the way that they're doing things now How do you embrace it as a comedian that came from that, you know from that rugged grand You know, as long as the as long as you have substance and you got staying power, you know I mean the landscape has changed, you know The grind is different because of social media and these platforms So I don't knock the hustle just just stick around, you know, as long as you're putting out quality work and You know work that has substance and meaning and you stick around that speaks for itself Everything else will take care of itself You know, it's it's so hard to make it in this game. Fuck how you get in just get in Yeah, I don't care if you go through the basement climb over the roof Coming through a side window. However, you get there get there. Wow, you know and and Country Wayne Netflix special a lot of people he got some black lash on it. I watched it. I've been to his shows So I support him. I know that he can bring out People that's 15 or 16 all the way to 80. I seen the the crowd response I seen him set 3,700 people in those seats in houston when he invited me to the show And um, you know, him and mike blessing all us we hung out Uh, I know he got it for his that goal. You know what I mean? Yeah, but you know, a lot of people say they He got some backlash on what was the backlash It was the fact of he wasn't good Is you know, some people you had genesis saying that that come that netflix special wasn't just you know on 10, you know what I mean? And you're gonna get all of this. Did you see it at all? No, I didn't know. Yeah, but all of this stuff is It's a you you can have your opinion on how But he's setting 3,700 in these seats and he's doing netflix Man, he's getting money, you know You know, hey, I just I just booked uh That's the square garden. Not the big theater. No the hulu theater holds 5000 Uh, and you know up to this point, I mainly do comedy clubs. I've done a couple of theaters, but with other people So would that be a biggest one myself? Okay, congratulations. Where's this at? Uh, in the new york part is gonna go. Yeah, that's your home. And what is that? Uh, may 18 May 18. So y'all need to go buy y'all tickets. I'm like, I'm on my fly. Are you going? I'm gonna fly. I'm gonna come up there because you hear Yeah, it's a it's a different thing with me, bro. I pulled up You know, and I'm also at uh the wilbur theater in boston on may 14. Wow. Uh, so yeah, man, um It's progression. You know, it's all about progression. So As hard as it is to get there as long as you get there. So what what about what's the hardest city you've ever had to perform? Oh mississippi Why? Yeah, I like niggas that read Oh, watch your mouth, man. We're in the south. Your head's down there. No, no, no, but you're in the south No, no, no, this is the south, but not really Not really When we talking about alabama, mississippi, georgia, that's slavery south Even some of them niggas just got freed yesterday You be going down there though. You do so You don't go down there. I used to I used to I used to do start on in alabama I used to do chuckles in menthis Zanies in nashville, even though I would like to get back to nashville But they don't laugh as much at the jokes. It's not that they don't laugh. It's just My energy is so east coast And i'm such a fast talker. I think sometimes I don't know that I connect with the south the way Hey, listen, I've been going to those places and they've told me a man. I fucked you Mike You know, I fuck switch hard Mike You my boy Mike, you know, and they tell me they love me the same way everywhere else But I just the connection to me feels off You know what I mean? Like when you look at certain comics like arnais j bruce bruce, they kill that market You know, I just think they they're able to flow a little bit better than I can In that market. I want to see a best market. Of course. I love east coast west coast midwest Just a deep deep south I just And you love music, right? Who doesn't so There's a big thing that um, I've heard people talk about to talk about music in the Up north compared to music down south that well, you know, they they they the mecca because he in new york I'm a southerner. They they proud as hell. I'm gonna tell you that now But I got a lot of friends up there. I give credit when credit is too bad, you know, listen To a lot of down south music No, no My man who again drawn me down here my boy red rock We was just listening to meff and red in the car and we all heads so You know prior to what exists today a lot of amigos Listen, everybody had they rain that started in new york hip hop born out of the Bronx You know jay-z like he said new york home of the spitters That's what we do And then the west coast took it over and then the south took it over. Yeezy little man. Yeah, yeah and I think during that era Very respectable very respectable and some lyricists came out of the south andre 3000 ti real lyricists Now before that today, let me just say this I got megos and future and I'll almost say He just said lyricists we jam down here. That's why come p.m. C said the country rap till we looking at a bounce We looking at our face my boys willy d Hey, you bring up that's something i'll go ask you about too willy d just got a lot of flak behind that new interview He did with cab I heard about the flak. I don't know exactly why I caught the flak He came on said somebody like of yesterday or day before you he was like You know, they would cause they was comparing the two interviews shannon sharps Interview is hard to come behind, but he did that before stop right there. Do you see what i'm talking about? This is useless bullshit Give it another black man flak for what? When we can do better than that and that's my point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is what we're talking about there. Yeah Come on man. We got to do better than this He went in and he he addressed it He said like he had to address it. I'm like, okay, but why even address it then just leave it alone. This ain't right That's what he said. He's what we do He didn't like them come in. What did they say? Man, fuck that nigga. That's what we do You know, listen and my joke was about talking about migos with quaggles Uh, I was watching this show called uh hustling flow on netflix and it's a rap competition show And each rapper from their region has other rappers from their region judge the contestants And I told the story on vlad So atlanta it was big boy ti and quavo So ti turns to one of the turns to quavo in regards to one of the contestants go Hey, man, what do you think about that dude? And quavo felt like he was being put on a spot So what quavo said was what he was trying to say was well in english Man, why are you gonna quiz me like that? Here's what he said, man, why are you gonna quimilate it? That's that lamb. That's today's hip hop Man, why are you gonna quimilate it? What did they talk like this? When people were going in the comments, man, aries don't understand that's just a southern thing I said don't regulate that to the south ti's from the south Andre 3000 from the south big boy ludicrous all from the south you can understand them just fine That ain't got nothing to do with southern region. That is fucking ignorance I don't agree with that Mother could have talked like that, but then mother Well, you can't do that because they're just passed down This is something that's in their culture, man depends on where you You got to learn to read They cut up our worth of marriage for 25 years and I go over there. They cut those words up. They patois those words And it depends on what part you're from How's that different if you're jamaican if you're english, that's not messing up words That's your that's who you are as a jamaican. That's your culture. New Orleans do the same thing, bro Even in Jamaica if you're from Kingston compared to if you're from the country areas The accent is a little bit stronger. It depends on where you're from That's fucked up english Give me some jamaican real quick Like tell me what to say and I'll say anything just say anything like where y'all going white, um I hate to be put on you go to the store or something like that. Say that okay um Why don't you know Why you don't go down the store? Let me let me British accent uh A lot of tomes people that come here and and they won't joke you but not for a little bit Now that's an accent then that bro. You're not fucking up the language. That's your accent Quimilade It's not an accent That's that's you fucking up the language I gotta get him out of that, man. We can get you out of here, but Shannon sharp becoming a top interview because of this interview has went up past every interview With 40 some million, you know, I mean views and so like it's the second most viewed under joe rogan But that joe rogan's gonna pass and I mean he's gonna pass Because he's doing it fast. It's good. It's moving Um, does that set a staple for him? You know far as being a great interviewer in the field that he's dealing with now You have to do it more than once really you gotta keep rogan's been consistent That's why he got the hundred million dollar deal from spot. He damn sure did so, you know, uh No, no knock to shannon. That's great, but you gotta be consistent that dude again. Just do it once Do you think he can do it again? Who knows man? I mean listen that that interview was lightning in a bottle Uh, and it's hard to capture lightning in a bottle consistently You know, it depends on who your guests and cat was a great guest. Uh, again, I don't agree with it, but It's all about chemistry. Yeah I gotta ask you about, um, also jason whitlock steven a smith you do you see what's going on with them boys, man Like, um, when you see this kind of this still the same goes back. It's the same thing color for color You know round for round like how do you feel about that? Uh, well, you know, I know jason whitlock has always had this undertone of being a sellout or being viewed as a I don't want to say uncle tom because a lot of black people don't even know the true meaning of uncle tom When you get called an uncle tom, that's actually a compliment. Yeah, I've heard that. Yeah, yeah If you called a samba now you've been insulted. Yeah, that's right Uncle tom is actually not a not a bad thing, but he's been, uh, referred to as some sort of a samba So I don't know all the complete details about steven a thing. I don't even just came out to some people say he was coming behind, uh Uh, uh, cat williams and and shannon sharps interview to let him know, you know, like it's pressure over here. Yeah I hope that being real. I just at the end of the day, I just would like us to do better I think it's just time. Yeah, you know And and so what are you going to do to change the narrative because what are you can do? What the hell is airy spears going to do to change the narrative because you've been a like I told you before You've been a part of the situation that pretty much spewed up, you know Different things that cause people to feel aware about pressure on this internet with comics, right? So what are you going to do in 2024 to to change the narrative anything I can, uh, you know But I'm I'm not as I'm not as powerfully based In certain positions to make the kind of change that I would like to make So, you know My my my uh platform or my mouthpiece can only do so much, you know All the other changes that need to happen need to come with me being able to provide or You know, uh build some things So that's going to that's going to take a little bit of time for me because my hustle is a little bit different Because I'm not I'm not ahead of the pack like a cat williams or kevin heart, uh like that But it can happen Well, that's the goal. I'm talking about on a on a dime. That's that's that's the goal. You never know Yeah, see and when you're talking about stuff like that, you know Because I know kevin heart he talked about the fact that like cat williams He's not really just helping the people around him to grow and so forth Do you think that is so detrimental? Especially when you become a celebrity you making money and you making moves that you need to help the people around you Come up and create like an organization like, you know, how kevin has yeah, uh, you know Listen one thing about black people and and and I you know And I know we don't like to be held accountable Which is why so many people are mad at me because anytime you hold niggas accountable They go fuck that, you know Uh, but one thing about I love about my people is when we get it together We're the best at so much shit than anybody else. We know how to dominate. We we we life's hot sauce You know, if if life is chicken, we did Tabasco We know how to turn the volume up on everything And we we were some of the most imitated and copied and stolen from people on the planet So when you just look at the history of who we are where we've been what we've done Life wouldn't be shit without us. We we got such a main ingredient to everything So i'm just going man if we could just get our heads right and utilize our powers and come together Avengers assemble It it it would be dangerous. What does it take? First we got to change the mindset We got to change the mindset. We have such a scrooge mcduck mind mind mind mind. I got mine. They're gonna get yours Instead of going help me get mine. And if you help me get mine, I can help him get his. Yeah, you know, I mean when you think about all these Black celebrities on instagram Comedians actors Can you imagine if if we every time I got something popping you we it was like an automatic chain Oh, shit areas got something popping. I'm reposting his shit kevin heart. Oh shit bill bellamy got something popping I'm reposting the shit cat williams if everybody just took care of each other Man, it would be it would be it would be dangerous I know the funny thing about that what what i'm thinking is the fact that like Because social media is a quick way of how to get out Information out to everybody at one time, right? So if you did a video showing that you're helping You know your friends helping that everybody come up you show Unity and organization coming up Some people be like, you know people always turn the good and make it bad We like oh why he gotta put it out there like that it makes it seem like that person couldn't do it You know what I mean and turn people head around that's a mindset. Yeah Yeah some mindset Like kevin got Over 300 million followers. Yeah. Yeah on instagram. Yeah Whether it's me or whoever let's say it was a desi banks If he reposted Desi banks performing here at this day at this time It'd be sold out. You know how many people are going to see that. Mm-hmm You know if we did that for each other. Wow. Oh my god impactful powerful. Oh my god But we don't now What do you think? I gotta get you out of here, but p. Diddy How will he end up on this situation if you had to guess? I say if you had to guess What would you see him at in another two years? You know here, you know how I put that like in two years. Why do you see P. Diddy? You know, he should just come out. Is he gonna be all right? I said in two years Two years You get on my podcast two years if he don't if he ain't facing no Criminal charges and don't get arrested or nothing like that He's still got the money. So he's gonna still do what he do. He's gonna be who he is And if you get arrested you think they're gonna throw the book at him You know money money talks, you know, our Kelly had money and he's out, isn't he? Isn't he out? No, he's still in jail. Yes. I thought he was released. He wasn't released. Where you hear that from? I think you tripping. Are you sure? Really? Man, you tripping. If our Kelly came out No, I thought our Kelly was out But it'll go crazy. You know, you got followed. You know, I seen you I seen you do a sketch on that too You Our Kelly is not out. I thought he was out. He would have been performing already Okay Now he is not out. I thought I don't know where I got that from That's why I was like he got money But they threw the book at him and they is not letting him out and they ain't playing with him either Yeah, but he also was like really wild Yeah, you I see you scared P. Diddy is being said to have fucked with grown women, right? Maybe he'll be honest and come out and just come out Maybe he'll be honest in two years, you know Two years. No, you're honest and that's why I don't I think he did come out and say I admitted then what would happen Do you think everybody turned their backs on him and he would just know because he got money Said money is a cure to everything For people that need to be cured Real talk Spearsburg pot. Yeah, let's talk about that. I want to talk about where it's at now I seen two years three years ago. Yeah, y'all been getting it in. How did you even come together with this guy? I don't know who he is He opened for me uh one day and uh and then one day turned into another day and another day and then finally He was like, yo, man, do you need an opener? Can I come out on the road with you? And I was like, yeah So, uh, we just started Working together on the road and then one day he said we should do a pod and we did one and and here we are I like it. I like it. So what are you guys going to do this year that y'all didn't do? Last year or did We always try to uh evolve mix it up how to get better, you know, I feel like You know evolution never stops And the goal to get better is always constantly in motion. So No matter how good we may have been two years ago I'm like, how much better can we be two years from now? Exactly. So just always trying to figure that out and grow and get better Yeah, I like it. Who is the best? new Comedian stand up that you see coming up and coming up and coming comedian that you love his comedy You know, honestly, I don't really watch Too many up and coming cats. I just don't I'm I'm I'm 48. I'm stuck in my old ways. I like who I like my my, you know Dave Chappelle to me is to go In terms of today. I mean Richard is the overall but today So you're still in your generation. That's all in your generation. Patrice O'Neil. Yeah, I was a monster Uh, the bill burr. I'm a huge bill burr fan. I love Tommy Davidson And again, I I I love Corey But yeah, as far as new uppercut, I just don't in your audience the people that come out and see you Um, do you have a lot of any young people come out and watch your show? As young as in I watched you on mad and now I'm in my 20s and 30s Like young young, I don't even really like like I don't do colleges For for the reason that a lot of comedians don't like doing colleges. Why young people don't know shit They don't know shit and they so moist and ass that everything is offensive to them Everything is a reason to cancel you, you know, I I come from the days when you could smoke cigarettes in clubs You know, I like I like grown folks People that got scars, you know what I mean these young kids is like You got kids. Yeah three. How old is the oldest 24? Okay, so you definitely understand those age groups Yeah, yeah, you listen to scarlet who Scarlet in new york, she's a young rapper. No, see who is the who's your favorite rapper of all times? We do a top three. I do a top three here. My top three is uh Nas, jay-z and jadekiss that jadekiss the hardest one you out of you just named I If I'm gonna deal with new york, uh jadekiss you seen what happened on that verse It stopped playing. Yeah. Yeah. You already know you already know when they come down the you lyrical You know what it I get it. I get it nauseous female wise. Who's the best one out there? I say a scarlet beat. I didn't listen to the new one young. I don't even listen to them MC light I would say She's the best to ever do this Yeah, because everybody else like little kim and foxy brown Lauren Hill Yeah, but lauren only did one album even though that album is beyond classic and amazing. She only gave us the one Uh, but lauren seemed like she you know her own headspace and she got certain I don't want to use the word issues, but you know what I mean, right seems like something's going on You know when you when you first and I'm gonna cut you but when you first I don't want you to get out here without me asking this in 14 you were 14 15 16 growing up in new york When you first heard hip hop and how was that for you? I gotta ask you that. Oh, it was you know, it was run dmc Yeah, yeah, uh fat boys mc. Shan mc. Shan. Uh, d nice D nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so uh cool hurts cool hurts To make it now. I knew you were gonna say it. Yeah, I am not kumo. D. Curtis blow. Come on. D too. Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, but um Curtis blow EPMD. Yeah, sir. Let's stop playing man rock him That go yeah Without him, you don't see these these lyrical uh people the way you see him Rock him was the one that pretty much was the first one that kind of started and that's what I mean When I say like I remember I was walking down the street one day in new york And I'm about to cross the street and I go Oh sick. That's rock Kevin. You seen him and when I walked up and I was like, yo man I just wanted he was like, yo god you that nigga god I was like, yeah He knew I was and and and again nars my favorite I remember I was at the la lab factory And I walked in and I went straight to the balcony and khalise was there and this is when she was married to nars So I was like khalise. I just want to tell you yo your husband is the sit. She stopped me. She was like He downstairs He loves you So I go downstairs and nars is in the corner Averick's jacket shades got a hanny I said you're nars man. I yo, what's up god? Y'all fucks with you god Yo, you be doing your thing kid I was like, oh, I kept my cool And I went outside and called my niggas So that's what I'm saying man. It's like because I'm in the game Even if you're not necessarily a comedian we an entertainment game So and we fans of what we do. Yeah, but if a regular joe go up to nars And I don't think nars would because that's not his character. Yeah, but some rappers your favorite athlete They might shit on you That's why I'm like, how did you feel about the nars and jay-z when that thing came together and everybody he destroyed jay-z And that he said he destroyed jay-z. I agree. I can't even say they're in play with you. I can't even play Now that's a dude who I met Three times and the first two times he was so rude to me jay-z. Yeah What jay-z do I just you know, I remember I did an interview. I had to interview to me Okay, and I met this little A restaurant in doubly hills And jay-z walked in and I was like, yo jay, man. I'm a fan He didn't look at me. What he didn't look at me. He just went straight to talking to to me And then there was another time I just you know, I was like you just heard. Yeah, but now the third time I met him You say I'm the airy spirits. Oh, okay. So I wasn't really famous So I went to the Mayweather Pacquiao fight in Vegas So, uh, the fight's over and everybody's spilling out out of the arena into the parking lot so the celebrities is mixing with the regular folks as they walk into the cars or whatever and um Alvin Iverson was right here and all these people were a and then Beyoncé and jay-z merged a little couple steps ahead of them holding hands niggas forgot who a All ran jay-z Beyonce and it just so happened that as they were walking I kind of merged at the same time And I said, yo hold man. I just want to tell you said he looked at me and went I know who you are niggas He didn't want to deal with you Because of all the jokes I've made He acknowledged like nigga, I've seen you fuck with me. I know Yeah, so it was a little bit of a that was some give back for me Why you why made you channel in to jay-z like that? Was it because you had met him a few times and I'm you just intrigued. I'm a fan. I'm a huge whole fan. I mean the nigga lyrically got bars. What's your favorite song? uh You know, I don't know that I have a favorite song. There's so many Or a verse that touched you Give me a verse. You know that from uh, allow me to reintroduce myself. My name is boom I go up to that every time I go on stage. That's all that's my interest. That's all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Because the way that allow me to reintroduce my and then the boom boom. Yeah, that's just yeah Let's talk about what you had tonight you you at the uh, because I'm drawing this before you say that before you say that So who is the first? Um, down south rapper that you ever heard that you liked their respect for You know who I used to I used to learn that one song by ti bring them out Because of what you do because uh, uh, uh, uh, what's the name uh producer dmx? I'm producer. Oh, I know that. Yeah. What's his name? Oh, I don't know the the producer for uh, uh beats. Yeah, that's who produced that Yeah, but it wasn't because of the big T. I spent lyrics on that it definitely spent lyrics on it But it's a it's a the producing and the way that thing hit That's part of it. You can hear the dmx and all that stuff coming at you. You don't know what to do. You know Yeah, listen the beat go with the if you're a great rapper. Yeah, the the the rhyme scheme and pattern It's supposed to be married with the beat. I get it. I get it. You know, I'm I'm pimp see all day You don't matter what any killed jay neem on that uh What's that song they all try to give like jay brought him out during that time pimp see could never kill What was that song? I don't even know the name What was it the one where they was on the on the boat? I know the song Be Shout out to pimps. See, you know, I'm gonna hold you down. I'm gonna hold you down every time But I'm telling you right now when he said what you know about them texas boys. That's all they had to say I'm from texas. He won. Oh, one of my favorite songs to this day is uh, uh Geto boys. Don't do the no Yeah, when you heard that when you know, you like them boys, I can't I can't lie I don't associate Houston as the south what you mean? I know it is technically but but what you mean? No, y'all don't have that twang that the real south Y'all are so listen Dallas It's so metropolitan and so big It don't feel like the south when I see the south like mrs. Zippin Just far removed from But there's certain parts of texas that when you go you're not gonna understand that one word they're saying Listen, I've been to Beaumont. I've been to Odessa. Yeah, san Antonio. I love san Antonio. It's nice. Let me say some san Antonio, houston dallas Of all the texas. Yeah, i'm three favorite. Yeah, austin. I like austin. Yeah, but they're big cities It don't feel like the south it don't feel like south to me. It's all commercialized when I go to mrs. Zippin and alabama They didn't sound too airy down there. I feel like I feel like yo, I'm in the south the way they move The flow, I just I know I'm in the south. I'll be down there too. I go through the city When I walk through there and I see Food down there you don't try to food Food is great food is great food is great. Let me let me take some and this is why I say this and I'm and I do this in my stand-up I've been doing stand-up for three years up in everywhere. I know there's not a place on this map I haven't been like like when you go to miami or you go to a club in new york dc la And it's packed where you could barely move 90 percent of the women in there are bad Yeah, a couple ugly I went to a club in mississippi. That was packed 100 percent of this is horrible looking There was not one bad big in there Looked like Medea I've never been somewhere where there was not one bad It was hideous hideous Man, I'm just I'm just glad you I listen texas got you. You got a lot of love because you absolutely I did listen I Man, I'm telling you Some of the best I've ever had came out of dallas Are you having moved here yet? I'm I'm telling my man Yeah, I love Dallas. I love each town each town is dope San Antonio was dope You know, especially if you like spandex women too, you know the mexicans, but No, man, let's stop south now. I gotta talk about that the show tonight. Like like you at uh, addison Improv, yeah, man. So so how's the how's the flow being how's the how's the love all the shows have been sold out We added a late show Third show today saturday. Yeah, so uh, yeah, I always have a good time here. You know, I'm in addison and arlington So I'm here. I'm in dallas twice a year And I hit houston and then I hit san Antonio and austin. Wow, man So when you go into next after this Where am I next Jesus? Oh God, I don't even know. I gotta look at my schedule, but they can find your schedule online. Yeah. Yeah every spears.com Okay, cool. Wow, man. Thank you so much for coming on the show all of and check out the podcast spears and steinberg Available on all streaming platforms Sliding my dm's on instagram. I'll send you the links chop it up with you Oh, so my youtube channel spears burg pod hit like and subscribe man We love you, bro. Thank you so much. Love it. Man. Hey every time you come to town He can't come to texas now. He got to check in like the one on the west coast You know, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. We love you, bro It's been another great segment of boss talk 101 why the bosses talk and we out