 I was about 6,000 feet out and I looked and I said, yeah, I said, that looks like a church. He said it is. I said, we spread leaflets all around that area to tell people to evacuate and said I want you to hit it. And I said, Jesus, I used to Sunday morning, are you serious? So sure enough, he said, yeah, I rolled in and opened fire way out about 6,000 feet and blew up. I had to yank and bang and pull. So I wouldn't go through the debris. That was used as a weapon storage area for the bad guys. You know, we wouldn't hit a church, right? Right. We did and it was full of ammo. War is a very unpopular thing to be in and start with. And then you have to let all of your personal feelings and attitudes go away because you are a warrior and that's your job on this earth. It's the win for the United States of America. I graduated in the upper 10% of my class so I had a choice, you know, bombers or fighters. So I chose fighters, which I always wanted to fly because Tuskegee Airmen was my influence back in the day. How did you like that F-4? Well I'll tell you, that was my number one airplane of all the aircraft I've ever flown. That was my number one. Handelwell was a fast mover. And as long as you kept, as we call it, kept your smash up, you could do anything, beat anybody in the air. But don't slow down. Describe for me the worst day you had during your Vietnam tour? First day. That first day when the F-4 went down? Yes, sir. Worst missions that a fighter pilot can have are his first 10. If he can get past those first 10, he's good to go for the rest of his tour. And watch out for the last 10. You know, in other words, there are other thoughts that come into play. Boy, just think, I'm going home next week. You can't have those kinds of thoughts. Well I'll say this, you don't really know the character and the quality of the people you're working with till you get into combat. And then you really know who they are. Even though some were very young, you know, first lieutenants and so forth. They were solid citizens. You could count on everybody in my squadron. And I'm sure the other squadrons as well, to do what they were required to do. And they were all professional. It taught me several things that I've hung on to throughout life. In other words, I became a real aviator over there. I became a real leader over there.