 Tom, were you aware of any neighbors that want to participate? Not at all. I'm sorry to hear you. No. Okay, thank you. So I'm going to call the meeting to order since it's seven o'clock or somewhere thereabouts. This is a regular meeting of the development board, the meeting of the 17th of November. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. 2020. And we have one application tonight. It's an application by Gerald stuff. And that's for request to add an additional use of a home business to residential use property. And the residents of the rest of the home business would be a auto repair and service is that correct? Yes. Thank you. Thank you for we start the meeting is I need to swear you in. And also the zoning administrator. You swear to tell the truth. The truth and then before this board tonight on the penalties of perjury. I do. I do. Thank you. Okay. Would you please describe to us what you'd like to do with this business and your property. I want to do an auto inspection station. And oil changes, tire changes. In order to do the inspection part, I need to get the board's approval, I guess. The auto inspection requires a zoning compliance statement from the town. Okay. What else would you be doing besides. Oil changes and inspections. Would you be doing repairs? Yeah. Some transmission. Motor work. Excuse me, Gerald. Excuse me, Gerald. You're breaking up. So I'm going to turn your video off. But leave, leave your audio on and see if that helps. Okay. I'm going to turn your, I'm going to turn your order. But we could still be able to hear you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Hopefully that'll help. So, Gerald. Go ahead. Describe this what you'd like to do there. I'd like to be able to do. Seasonal tire changes. Exhaust work breakwork. Transmission. Change transmissions out maybe once in a while. In Vermont state inspections. I've got a question. Will you be doing body work as well? What's that? Will you be doing body work as well? No, I'm. I'm no good at that. Okay. Tom, do you have any. Thank you, Gerald. Tom, do you have any comments with regard to this application? I do not. The reason it was brought to the developer review boarders of really. Two step process. For unlisted uses, one, the, the town administrator. The zoning administrator could approve it. I really thought that this was beyond the, the purview of the zoning administrator. And that's why it's in front of you folks tonight. Okay. Thank you. Questions by the members of the board. Okay. If there are no questions at this point in time. I think what we have. Before us tonight is. Covered under. Conditional uses. Covered, which is a 21 oh eight C. It's covered under the home businesses, which is 3103. And it's also a, the primary thing that Tom was referring to was just. Two zero zero five C. Period scene, which is unlisted uses. So I think the board has to determine that this is a. A reasonable use based on other unlisted uses. Other, other listed uses. If we go to unlisted uses, it basically says that we have to. Determine that the, it's the same general character as those permitted or allowed as conditional uses. And that will not be detrimental. To other uses within the district. And the adjoining land uses. So I think that's the first question before this board tonight. And then we have to go through the criteria of conditional use. Okay. Mr. Chair. Mr. Stop also provided a site plan. Review for, for this board to, to, I think, to enhance his application on. Why would not be detrimental to the neighborhood. As well as text. Addressing the criteria. Yes. Yeah. I'm aware of that. Thank you. So. It would appear to me. That this is not a use that would be. Does everybody sort of recognize where this property property is? Yep. It's sort of pretty much out of sight. From the road. Which is route 12. From the road. Also the town road. Right. You have to look really hard to find it from my driveway. So. But. I don't know this dissimilar in use to things like. Contract is your. I'm not sure. But clearly quality I think, I think qualifies as definitely some of Mr. Stout, will you be having employees? My apologies, my daughter. Me. Paulie von Denver. Carol, will you have any employees? No. Thank you. Thank you. She only calls about once a month. This was the night. Any questions by the board with regard to being a similar. Use. Being compatible with the area. Yeah. I know, but I just have a, I don't think it's similar to a contractor's yard. Because he says there will be. No stored vehicles. So it sounds like there's no parts cars there. Is that correct? Correct. But I think the, the, my take on that is that it's less of an, of a, an impact than a contractor yard because it does. Yeah. That was my point. Yeah. I agree. So any further questions about the use being appropriate as a. Business in the area. No. Not for me. In that case, I'd like to go through the site. I've lost them. Site plan criteria. I'm here somewhere. And parking use. You indicated you have some parking at the property. Yes. Gerald, can you hear me? Yes. Can you hear me? Yes. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I have, I have a parking available there. We have your text before us, but. Just ask you to sort of address it a little bit yourself. The. Properties located quite a ways away from Lover's lane. Yeah. Order of mile. You plow that yourself to you. Yes, unfortunately. The next criteria has to do with, um, are you sure you need to get, you have parking on the property for. Six cars more. Yes. Um, if you're looking at the picture there. In front of my garage. I've got. Out to 200 feet. Those, those on the video is this one. This what he's referencing. Looks like there's plenty of wrong. Yeah. But there's, there shouldn't be. Maybe one car overnight. If I don't get it finished. That day it comes in, I'll finish it. In the morning. And then. That'd be all that would be stored there. But they'd all be registered and insured. So will you just do appointments? Yes. Just to kind of control the flow. And how delivery trucks are those just like. The, the parts store trucks that come in and out. Yeah. The, um, Which brings us to access to circulation a little bit. Carla. Um, it's a private drive. Um, the, um, I guess I would ask you to address the fact. It's right across the railroad tracks. Um, You see that as a problem? No. It's, uh, The train before the COVID stuff came by like four times a day. Um, one set, like two in the morning. Nine in the morning, noon and six o'clock at night. And now it doesn't come by. I'll, I don't remember the last time I heard it. It's pretty rare. Yeah. Not to digress, but what train goes through there? Oh, Yep. Haven't you ever seen the pumpkins from the train? I have. Yeah. It's not a long time since I've been on that train. Oh, okay. It's convenient out of, but failure. Yeah. Yeah. I used to go to the city, New York city in it, but I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the, the, what it is, is the, his, his driveway is immediately after the railroad tracks. Right. Um, well, but as, as probably most of you know, lovers lane is now closed. Through traffic. Really? Yeah. The bridge deck needs to be replaced. And the town does not have a budget. Does not have the budget to replace the bridge deck right now. I think the town is applied for state funds to help deal with that. Or not. My sense, my sense, Mr. Chair, is that, uh, there may be an article on town meeting day to address. The, uh, Fisher road culvert. That deck and one other, um, Infrastructure of Richardson road culvert. And you're working on that tomorrow night. Okay. Yeah. So, um, but right now it is closed. It will be hopefully open again. Although I have to tell you that there are a number of people that live on that road that hope it will not be open again. Um, Because of truck traffic. Um, but anyway, um, Uh, You weren't talking about how many trips a day. You're talking about maybe six customers a day. Gerald. Yeah. How many customers a day? Probably. Probably around six a day. So that would be two trips per customer. Maybe more. I saw a lot of traffic. Well, the other thing is, it's the first drive off of lovers lane. Right. Yes. Right. I have more friends and family that come down the driveway than they would customers. How many people do you have coming down the driveway and want to go swimming? Oh, there. Questions on access and circulation. Uh, landscaping and screening. What was that? Gerald, the chairman was asking the commission if they had any further questions on access and. Uh, circulation and they did not. Oh. Yeah. Uh, I'm sort of going through these one by one. Um, and see if the board has any questions. So in this case here, landscaping and screening is the next criteria. Any questions with regard to landscaping and screening. No. I mean, we all have the narrative before us. It looks really well worded. Yep. As I said, I live right near here and I can't see it. Outdoor lighting. Questions on outdoor lighting. No. Nope. My understanding is you're going to have a motion sensor light. Wall light. Over each door. Is that correct? Gerald. I couldn't understand it. It was all broke up. Um, my understanding is you're going to have a, a wall mounted light over each door. Yes. Those are, they're already on my garage. They're those decorative wall sconces. For when you drive into your. Park your car in the garage. They come on automatically. So are you adding any new lighting? Um, sign light for, for my building. Okay. Well, How light will that be on, you know, in the night? Uh, Maybe, but it's not. It's not. It's just, they're, they're called sign lights. They come off my building and then they bend back and beam the light onto the sign that's on the, on the building. Right. So. I don't think that. Time. Gerald, will those lights go out at a certain time every day? Yes. What time? Um, probably nine o'clock. That will likely be a condition of any permit. Are those going to be motion sensor lights or are they, um, Full time on timer? No, those are on. Those are on a switch. Okay. So you'll be turning them off manually. Gerald. Yeah. You'll be turning them off manually. Yes. Okay. Gerald. Would you have a, would you have a problem putting it on a timer? So. There's no possibility of you forgetting to turn it off. No. No, you don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem. Other questions. There'll be no other outdoor lighting, correct? Gerald. No, Gerald. No other outdoor lighting. Correct. What's that? No other outdoor lighting. Correct. Right. Thank you. Questions on lighting. None. Um, I have a question. Are you asking the DRB to prove it? No. No, you don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem. I have a question. Are you asking the DRB to prove the signs or are you proving those Tom? The question is to you, Tom. I will prove those administratively. Okay. So we're not going to hear the criteria on a sign. Okay. Okay. So it's DRB is not going to review signs. This is only administrative. We'll take care of sign application. So losses. We've heard about a sign and then we don't know what's, what's right. Okay. Outdoor use areas. Any questions about that? My understanding Gerald is there will be no outdoor storage of any junk, materials, goods, equipment, or unregistered vehicles. Is that correct? Correct. Cause I think it's a big question for us. My apologies. Thanks, sir. I just took my phone down to my husband. The performance standards. 3208. The applicant has addressed. Odors. Crash and so forth. Does anybody have any questions on that? Well, I just have. A question about. Cause I was looking at a map and it looks like. Your closest neighbors. There's a house on. Haskins terrace, I guess. And also there's some houses. The houses closest to route 12 on Pine Hill drive. Seem close. How close are those houses to your house? Probably a quarter of a mile away at least. Okay. I just didn't know. I don't know. It's closer than any houses on lovers lane. Okay. Probably the house on Haskin drive is the closest house. Yeah. But it's on the other side of the river. Yeah. And I believe quite a bit above your house is enough, Gerald. Oh yeah, that's. Keith herring. Yeah, they're there. That house is quite a ways away from mine across the river. Yeah. I'm looking at Google maps. It doesn't look like there's a house very close. Doesn't look like what? Like there's other than that house across the, across the river that doesn't look like there's anything very close. No, just, just the ones on Pine Hill drive, but that's across from route 12. So. Yep. No. No construction plans. So some of our management's not relevant. You just have the existing property and you can use it. As it's being used now. Traffic is kind of an issue with me. I always, but in this case here, I don't see very many trips involved. Nope. I am concerned about the fact that driveway is only about, you know, I am concerned about the fact that driveway is only about 75 feet from route 12. So our standards, but that's an existing driveway. And there's not a lot of additional traffic. So I have no questions about traffic. Does anybody have questions about traffic? Nope. We're talking about the condition of use standards right now. So we're talking about the character of the area. This would be a different use than what's in the immediate area. But on the other hand, it's right next to a railroad track, which used to have portrayals a day or more. And probably will again. And will again. Yeah, will again. Hopefully. When I first bought my house here. The first night we slept here. I lived across the road from his place. Final drive. Okay. First night we slept here. About two o'clock in the morning. The train went through. I said, what the hell is that sound? I didn't realize it was a track that close. And it's nowhere near as close as it is to him. How long did you live there, Gerald? Four years. Four years. So you got used to it by now. It still catches me off guard sometimes. I love the sound of a train going through. It reminds me of my child. I live in my house and see if you still love it. Yeah. Where he lives and where I live, the house rocks. Oh. So I anything about character there. Questions by those members of the board. No. Natural resource. Natural resource protection. We do have an issue here. Gerald, I have a question for you. Was that house damage in 2011? No. No. From flooding. No, not that I was aware of. Do you get the garage? I don't know. I don't know. But there was water up in the yard, I guess. Because the train, they'd called the day before and. And the train. Back up underneath the trestle and. They told them that it would be fine. And apparently it wasn't a fine. The 2011 flood was larger than the 100 year flood. The. The flood was bigger than the 100 year flood. When we were in this area, that's why I asked the question. Yeah. But according to the floodplain map. Tom, it's not in the floodplain. Is that correct? That is correct, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. And your business will be, would be controlled, would be regulated by home. Myself and the Vermont department of motor vehicle. Okay. I think it's pretty, it's pretty rigorous to get a dealer. An inspector license, isn't that? Yes. I just have a question about, you know, the storage of the oil. That you change because you are right next to the river. And I just want to make sure. That the water. Is protected. So you, you mentioned, I guess that you will have sort of a. Some kind of a waste of disposal system. Can you describe that? Yeah, I, I, when I do oil changes, I, I got a. Self-contained unit that sucks it out. And then I pumped that out of there into a 55 gallon drum. And then a local garage that. Uses it for heat will come and take it from me for nothing. Wow. So you're basically storing in 55 gallon drums. Yeah. Until it's full. And then it's, it takes quite a few oil changes to fill one of those. My question is who lifts it after when. Probably. Okay. So you may have any additional questions for this Africa. Nope. Tom, do you have any additional comments? No, sir. Do you have anything additional you want to add to your application? No, that just in the summertime, there'll be a lot of traffic, but it won't be mine. Yeah. I fully aware of that. They like to park the bottom of my road. They like, they like the park everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm good. Okay. There's no other questions on move to close. I have a motion to close the hearing portion of this application. Second. Second that motion. Second. Thank you, John. We have a motion by Carl is second by John. Is there a discussion of the motion. There's no discussion. All those in favor of the motion. Please signify by saying aye. Aye. Hi, John. Thank you, Gerald for your application. Thank you. Thank you. Gerald. Gerald. Gerald before you leave the process is the board will then tonight likely go into deliberative session. And from that deliberative session. There will be a minutes and findings of fact written. And a decision issued to you likely in 30 days. But I can. I'll talk to you tomorrow about, about all this. Okay. Okay. Right. Thank you for your time. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Is. Mr. South out off the line now. Yes. Orcas still on bomb. Org is still on. Okay. Yes. The. One of the things we don't do with Orcas still on. Is we don't talk about the minutes of the previous meetings. And we probably should approve minutes of the previous meetings. While, while we're still being recorded. Before we go and deliver the session. So I'd like to do is sort of jump ahead of delivery session on this application. We have two sets of minutes that have not been approved. Am I correct with that, Tom? Correct. We have the minutes of September one. And we have the minutes of September 15th. We have the minutes of September 15th. I told you how long it's been since we. I know. Yes. Can you remind us what projects those were? I can. It's September one was a Mark Nicholson's. Application for site plan review. For that building he wanted to put it on his property. Okay. And. I made comments, Polly and you made comments. Okay. And Christie revised those per our comments. She revised them on nine 15. And, and I think we all said that looked good. Yeah. And I would be prepared to make a motion to approve those minutes. But we also have the minutes of September 15th. And that was an application. Not an application. It was petition. By the standard Vermont with regard to the. Sight plan review we did for their park and ride. Oh, right. What they did is they petitioned us to. Change our findings. Right. Which I believe we did in accordance with their request. And. I'm trying to remember what the final resolution on that was. I made a number of edits. To that. Those minutes. And I never heard anything further on that, but I would probably. Why don't we go ahead with September one first. I'll make the motion to approve September one. As revised on nine 15 by Christie. All second. Discussion. Comments questions. I don't mean to go by it too fast. That was just that one application by Mark Nicholson. And it was kind of kind of technical stuff about. How much of the criteria she needs to include in the text. And she did. Okay. Most have been made the second. If there's no further discussion, all those in favor of that motion. To approve the minutes of September one, please say bye-bye. Say hi. Hi. Hi. Thank you. And on the minutes of September 15th. I made my comments actually provided edits. I suppose the comments. And. Polly, you said you thought they were good. Yeah. And I heard from none others, but I'll make a motion to approve the minutes. Per my edits. I'll second that. Okay. Okay. I will be here to discuss that motion. All those in favor of that motion. Please signify by saying hi. Hi. Hi. And we have approved the minutes of September 15th. Now. For the. That's for the right odds for the record. At this point we could probably release orca. How much are we going to deliver a session at 7.34, 7.35? Second. Second by Polly. Emotion made by Carlo, thank you. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. And we are in deliver the session. Thank you very much, everyone. Thanks.