 Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop. How's everybody doing today? We've been gone for a little while and When we came back, I'm like gotta have somebody who's really good and really funny and Will allow me to just sit here and let him do what he does Independable exactly and John Bailey is our guest tonight The epic voice guy That's just just a big voice guy. I used to have the epic voice guy people thought it was the pick voice guy Oh People still say the Thanks, see what I mean Get your brand name right right if you got questions for John or if you got tech questions for George and I Put them in the chat room depending on where you might actually be whether you're on Facebook live or YouTube live You know, we can do it on LinkedIn now. I think yeah, it's now allowing us three streams We can go on LinkedIn. We haven't done that yet, but next time we try it Raven carrier pigeon a fax machine smoke signals Almost all modern-day technology. Are you ready? You ready George? I'm ready. You ready John. I was born ready All right, it's time for voiceover body shop right now It's time for voiceover body shop Brought to you by voiceover essentials.com the home of Harlan Hogan signature products source elements the makers of source connect voiceover heroes become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training Voice actor websites.com where your voice actor website doesn't have to be a pain in the butt voiceover extra your daily resource for voiceover success and World voices the industry association of freelance voice talent and now here's your hosts Dan and George Hello there. I'm Dan Leonard and I'm George with him and this is voiceover body shop or vio Most definitely tonight putting the BS and vio BS. That's right Anyway, I don't do drugs. So yeah, I'm not getting lines. Yes. Oh liners. Oh liners Okay, John Bailey epic voice guy. So I took out the D. There you go. See it was already edited our area On social media as an actor voice actor content creator social influencer and stand-up comedian with such vocal talent He has taken Hollywood by storm In other words, you got to have the talent if you come into town and you definitely got the talent So welcome back to voiceover body shop. It's nice to be here in person Again, it's nice to be anywhere in person to tell you the truth So I mean how long has it been since you've been on I think we had you on once during the pandemic or I think it's been like a year or something Yeah, well, we have you on once a year because Right on the ground all day, right and this is the day So anyway daily day. Yeah, right next to international women's day Yes Now the the thing is and we'll lead off with this and we'll just roll away from it I love that neither one of them knew it was my birthday like right days ago Happy Nobody even knew I thought he would leave this. So it was your birthday. No three three It's Jeff Holman's birthday. How do you like that birthday Jeff? They got overshadowed Those are all Pisces I don't know. It's kind of fishy. I'm sorry Pisces fish. Yeah, because my kids want to Okay Anyhow Welcome back There seems to be a little less of you than the last time you were here. No, I got the suit I mean, you look great. Oh, you mean a weight. Yeah How much did you lose? Uh, total lost 150 from heaviest to thinnest, but I bumped back up a little bit but still kept off the most of it That's outstanding. Still working on that. That's that's that's how you keep yourself healthy and I'm aiming for 163 I figured that's a Well, I would kill to be 160 the doctor says that I'm supposed to weigh between 150 and 175 right in the middle of 163 So that's the goal. Ah, but I'm lingering around the 200 mark right now. So all right So there are ways to go. All right. So if we were on seesaw, we'd be balanced. Yeah pretty good. Okay. Well, that's cool I just wear more Spanx Is this your booth outfit because that's a lot of poly right? I do content in this I go to Red Carpets with my beautiful girlfriend hunter over there In the south but this is like it's half casual. I got the got the purple converse So thank you the mad brand company and my girlfriend for the amazing Custom color hat you can get this epic hat for code epic 20 on the mad brand code And I went to explain explain explain. Thank you. Um, and then uh, this stuff, uh, it's a wrap in Burbank It's got like Store prices from some she film or TV something's like really cool to get all this stuff All the reasons to be in Hollywood. I know you're making us look like total Well, I looked like For my closet and I wanted to look better than you guys You succeed it was my birthday. So I I just decided to put my birthday suit on Yeah, now I remember when we first had you on Actually, when we've george and I first started doing the show from here As opposed to Buffalo and Santa Monica. Yeah back when I was west coast body shop, right east west east west west body shop And you were talking about you wanted to come out to Hollywood and then You seem to be like commuting back and forth for a while And then you made the big leap forward Or if you were in china the great leap forward And you're here and you've had a lot of success It's been actually it's been very impressive to watch what you've done since you came here And you're a great model for a lot of other people that are like should I come to Hollywood? But you got to have the talent and this guy has the talent He also had to have the drive to and that was the other you have to grind and grinding Most people just don't have that they just don't want to they'll sit there and We'll stick their hands and they'll sit on them and they'll like it'll all come to me You know, um, I transitioned here instead of just Dropping everything and going for multiple reasons some of them personal but um, overall I felt it was better to kind of Get a feel for the land try to see who I could make contact with to see like how does it talk to rock paulson about like What areas are the most affordable to live in? How much does it cost for you to live here? No You know, he had thrown out this a ginormous number Like he's like it easily a quarter of you have to to gross a quarter of a million dollars to live comfortably in LA And I was like that seems ridiculous considering I used to make you know 25 27 grand a year in my old job And he's not wrong to live comfortably with a family the size that I have but most people are using two incomes And at the time I only had the ones this then now I've actually got some helps a little bit easier Um, but yeah, I had to kind of see where the most affordable places were if it was actually going to be worth the transition here What I'd be busy enough doing things to make it worth coming And my agent when I was then this is when I was very new to the agency So I mean nothing negative about my agency. I freaking love them. They've helped me achieve so so much So I'm like extremely internally grateful to them. But when I first signed with them, you know, I'd been with them for a minute But I was I was uh, you know remote talent and I didn't have a lot of that And they had said it's kind of sounded like a Hollywood thing like oh if you lived here, you'd book more and I was like kind of sounds like a cop out a little bit and so And I was doing very badly or mediocre at best with them at the beginning And I kind of figured that might have to come to pay with your pay your dues or You know, you you're the new guy on the poll you don't get submitted with everything when they have guys that are just They're they're booking people, right? But then I moved here and I was like, okay Let's just see if that's accurate and sure enough as soon as I got here like it just it was booking after booking It's got to where it was I mean, I have vocal stress right now because I'm booking so many things close together Which is a good problem to have but also you don't want to overdo it either Just because you can't do it doesn't mean you should like, okay Well, I'm not going to sacrifice my my instrument Yeah, which it would be long-term work for a few extra bookings here So right usually I found when you get to a certain point They'll work with you and they're like, oh, well if you can't do that We don't want you to blow your voice out We'll just put it off a day or two or we'll reschedule for next week They're very kind and considerate about it. They they wouldn't have been back in the day Like when you were a rookie like you got 50 other guys that can do it better than you Right, you know, so you have to kind of build up that john can do it He can do it fast. You do it, right and how many years has it been? Uh, it's been 15 15 years since I booked my very first job It's been probably 11 or 12 of that that have been full-time Because I kind of jumped in a little early right and then you made the move to la but five I didn't make the choice to go. I did not make the choice to go full-time by choice That was because the economy crashed and company I worked for went bankrupt and I didn't have another option That happened a lot of folks plan b was voice. So it was like well It was well, I had only been auditioning when I wasn't at work You know, so I'm like well between four and midnight. I can't do anything. So right and what little bit I did audition for You had to be available during the day hours to you know And my cutoff time was like four o'clock. So that kind of limited me on how much I could do So, uh, I was still booking like one to three jobs. I was like, uh, this is this must be horrible How can you make a career out of this? Right? And then the The engineer who sold me the microphone I still use now the one that you had told me how to To replace the tube. Yeah, uh, he had said duty There's been people that have been with us for five years and never booked a single job And I and then something that my girlfriend said earlier today about you know, people claim But well, it seems to be important how much experience you have like how many years you've been doing this job But you could be crappy at a job and be doing it 15 20 years So there's people that had not booked a single job. I've been a voice actor for five years That doesn't mean they're good They're living on on mac and cheese and right. Yeah, and they're probably still not quit their day job Which is my number one recommendation when I coach don't quit your day job This is not something you can dive in full-time like I'm quitting my job today And I'm going to be a full-time voice actor by tomorrow. No, you won't. Yeah Also, don't start in debt And learn that one in the life insurance business don't start in debt really really tough So what type of type of work did you start booking and and what did you do to maintain? Doing that. Well, I I was told by somebody that I will I will not out Um publicly because they were very big in this business But somebody had told me a long long time ago back in the uh, do you remember Zurich, uh rick party. Yeah, I mean the original his original website Yeah, yeah, but that was the site that I first like that's the first online voiceover site back in the day And uh, somebody in the forums on there. They were like, oh post your demos here for critique Uh, I was brand new. I was very young and I did it was a re universe. Yeah, it's a re universe.com Which is still around Yeah, and I had uh, yeah, it's transposed to to a site now instead of being its own website Yeah, um, but I had posted up, you know, just impressions of characters that other people had done not knowing any better because I was still pretty I think I was 18 19 years old, right? and um So somebody very big just like you'll never get anywhere in this business doing impressions doing sound likes for other people You're 10 to 15 thousand dollars away from every booking your first gig It's going to be 10 to 15 years before you book anything like really harsh stuff, right and I'm not going to say who was this is a guy It was well known for doing sound likes for other actors that have better no longer here or that, you know And I was like well at the time though. I'm a kid like what the freaking so I just jumped in anyway I'm like a freaking show this guy I could do this and he's not wrong. He's just not completely right either There is no room in in voiceover the profession for doing sound likes and doing and doing impressions at least In social media, there's a huge room for that because it's become It's own genre of people doing doing impressions And some of them are yeah, and some of them have actually made it all the way to actually make brian hull brian hull's got all the way up to hotel transylvania 4 being like the main one of the main characters Adam sandlers sound alike And uh, so i'm not saying it's not a route. I'm just saying it's a route that very few take and succeed very much It's usually a Oh, this person has 2 million followers on social media We should hire them to do this thing and but they're not their full-time career is not voiceover They're having to put a lot out in social media just to maintain that That kind of stuff is fine, you know, but I'll give you a perfect example um When I get online And I read, you know, baby got back but in Winnie the Pooh's voice My anaconda don't want none of this you've got buns, huh? You know, that's funny. That's tick top worthy, but In voiceover, there's very few people that they're going to call when they made the Winnie the Pooh movie Besides Jim to do to do Winnie the Pooh's voice and it sounds so much like the original that no one knows It's not Jim Right and that's the difference between they couldn't get a hold of Jim, right? And they also need to want someone to do you in a greatest voice and I happen to do both So I filled in for you and I'm for poo For the trailers and that's a full-time scale job pay that nobody will even know about unless they actually heard the spot and be like I made that, you know, nobody most people would not hear the difference And then they hire for the final spot They'll get Jim and you and to come in and do their own or maybe if it's expedient They'll leave mine in but there's usually no residuals for that kind of work But it was it's something where that ability to sound like someone else to the point where people can't tell the difference has turned into a paying career But now and you I'm curious because this is this is a hardware software show I'm curious your guys thoughts on AI because I've seen a lot of crazy interesting stuff with AI voiceover and with the big technology where ADR and loop group is gonna be I mean gonna get wiped. Yeah, it could be I mean because the AI voices are okay enough where Some things you could fill in where you wouldn't need somebody to do it Yeah, we voice her and they don't need anybody to reshoot anything They can literally have the actor come in say a new line and they can make their face Say those original words and edit it right so all these two things are gonna be harmful towards micro loop groups and ADR All that stuff where it's like we need this stuff this fast this fast If they have software that can do that, what's the point of hiring somebody no matter how good they are Right. I mean respeacher has like an actual ADR Talking about how she's using respeacher to fix the voices on stuff. So she doesn't have to bring the actors in Yep, that's it's good enough Yeah, and most people just most studios that this is if it's good enough Why spend a hundred dollars when they could do it for free right the thing is the thing is though with AI You still have to have a pilot Yeah, right no matter how AI the thing is you still have to have somebody who knows how to drive it and program it Just like drums, right when electronic drums came out. They were stupid and terrible Right, they were just all they could do is techno, right? But now you can hire a drum programmer who can do very impressive drums But you have to know how to program those drums and it's actually difficult So AI voice I look at it the same way like if you want really high quality AI voice You're gonna have to get a really high quality, you know AI voice programmer, right by the time you do that Maybe you could have just hired the actor Because then they can just bang out those lines like yeah much much quicker too. So there's I think what's gonna happen Um is that they're going to use that technology to eliminate the scratch tracks Sure Because then you won't need to hire somebody like me to do the temp stuff They'll still hire the final actor for whatever, but they won't need anybody to do they'll just need something That's kind of basic But most of them still but especially with animated movies There's been a few that I've worked on where they don't have anything made yet It's all just audio and they're still just storyboards at that point Right and they'd rather have the actors come in because AI cannot match that level of improv and exactly It just can't think that quickly you can just write at what you can say Right, you know, but you never know but you run through something two or three times You get something funnier and different each time. Yeah AI just can't compete with that. I was just curious to bring it up Well, no, there's no emotion. There's no I mean they can it all kind of sounds basically the same It sounds like a person Right And if you're going to put emotion in that means another model or another thing you have to program into the system to give it the emotion Which means it's not authentic because it's just one version of that emotion and it just it can't respond as quickly There's no doubt it's going to be used and it already is being used all the time on youtube and instagram There's there's a figure out there at me That's pretty bad though. Yeah, if you've ever seen mr. Puzzles, that's pretty horrible on the floor below you are so chairs They had AI right this horror movie And I can't really get mad at it because all the voices in it are AI voices But the story is ridiculously funny They just fed it like 50 horror movies And then did all the and let AI and then the animations like Shrek 2000 So I mean it's horrible and it's not me but it kudos because it's freaking hilarious. Yeah So but it will be good for fixing things You know if you if they're still going to use the live actors to do it and they're not available or they need to fix something really quick Then yeah, they can use AI to do that But I feel like it's going to cause people like me to have to make more competitive rates to compete with software Right. Well, what are you planning on doing? To get ahead of this because I think that's you know, if you if you see the future Say I don't really I don't know what else I can do except just be So good at my job that I'm indispensable You know just be the go-to guy that can do it so much faster and it sounds better Right, you know or know the people who do um, I'm actually talking because I can't remember who it is off the top of my head now I'm gonna I'm gonna hate this later But a friend of mine was oh it was uh holly fields I was talking about doing uh, um, I don't know if you know her from jag and she's she's drew Barrymore and Cameron Diaz's sound like her face can physically transform to drew Barrymore when she does the voicemail She's basically retired at this point, but she had talked about doing their own like loop group thing And I like the idea of like why why hire an outside company? Just have a people have people that a group of people that already do ADR and do it really really well and just Cut through all the who can I cast and I'm just like, you know a group that does all that There here's the list of all the actors you can if you need or the crowd You know material and we already we already loop So we already know the rules We already know how to do it quickly and easily and there's so many rules If you ever have a chance to if you're a voiceover or interested in voiceover take johnny gid comes class Johnny gid comes the best ADR teacher out there. Uh, she's actually the one that that recommended him to me Uh, and he works on big films for marvel and fox and you know some of the biggest stuff out there And uh, it's really well done and if you don't know what it is You should look up Hugh Jackman Logan ADR It is worth a google as Daniel finakis would say except he'd say it. It's worth the google He runs through that whole fight scene and he does the whole thing He gets he gets he gets physical but just physical enough where it works for the audio right and does it He gives 110 and it's insane to watch and when people will say like what do you do? I'm like watch this video I do this but not quite as good as he does If you are just joining us you've missed a lot already our guest is john bailey Who is epic voice guy? Uh, because he isn't an epic voice the guy of epic voices is what i've been guy of epic voices Oh, that's too long See the the the whole brand thing started with uh with honest trailers having The disclaimer at the end give us something in the comments for our epic movie trailer voice guy to say or ever truly every Movie trailer voice to say and i was like i need to take that and kind of condense it down Right and i was like epic voice man and somebody recommended about every voice guy I'm like a epic voice guy and it's kind of caught on at that point But then it became almost synonymous with aren't you honest trailers guy or aren't you guy that works for honest or Aren't you from honest trailer like i don't like these prepositions very prepositionalist I was like i don't want to be known for just the one thing that i do I mean my career expands everything from cartoon to anime to toys to satellites for A-list celebrities and yet i'm getting typecast or only people only know me for this one thing So i was like how can i spin this around or people like oh, this is the guy who does voices So just a guy i'm a guy who does epic guy and that guy who does epic voices. There you go Right. Are you still he's still doing trailers? Uh, yeah, so i'm actually working on dungeons and dragons right now That's pretty cool. Um, but you don't get a lot of those trailers But people this is a question you probably get a lot Is there a lot of voiceover still in trailer work because people don't hear it But they don't ever think about where they don't hear it. They only don't hear it in the movie theaters Right and not in every single trailer if you if you pay attention There's a pattern you will hear voiceover in kids movies and you'll hear voiceover in comedy You'll still and if you anything else you'll probably hear the title or the rating at the end and that's it. Yeah Friday at seven that's that's promo It's like this friday in theaters read it all you know that that'll be the only part you'll hear the voice over on But what they're not thinking about is every time there's radio spotify There's like how many inversions of spotify something out there where it's a music app They still do ads on those and online the pre-roll ads for youtube So if you're a voice on a trailer twitter pain, you're gonna be the voice Yeah, you can you could literally book each individual platform Either they will do a buyout and be like you're we're doing all the trade This is for all online use so they'll be like specifically this trailer is for twitter This trailer is for tick tock this trailer is for instagram But if your voice gets on one of those come there's a lot of money still to be made though that way Um, this is the the example i always use when iron man first came out Um ashen smith booked it and ashen smith easy to spot because ashen smith does this thing at the end of his sentences And he's fully aware of it. Um, then he goes down at the end of every sentence And he booked the ironman commercial and the trailer and it was it also included a national car campaign Because of tony stark's car and a snickers campaign And a dr. Pepper campaign and a taco bell campaign and a mcdonald's happy meal cake All those things all came in they use the same trailer guy for every single one You're talking about national spots with residuals plus dozens of trailers across Several different platforms. That's a massive amount of money I've booked a few campaigns like that even small ones on movies that you wouldn't like smurfs too You wouldn't think that was that big. I did 27 spots for that for hotel transylvania I did 56 something spots and that was adr But it was the same parade as trailer right and it's like there's a lot out there You just don't know because you don't see not everybody hears it in the same place They're like, oh, I heard this at one place or they go to the theater like I didn't hear any trailer boys Those guys don't have any job Well, there's clearly a lot of stuff being pumped out of hollywood and it all has to be noted that way And then there's all these people that are doing ripoff versions that they'll hear something honest trailer Ish and they'll get like we need a guy that sounds kind of like that and you'll go to the movie theater Before the thing starts it's like one him a new You know, it's like all the little things before the actual trailer start. They're still using the trailer voice Yeah, right. It's true. Yeah, if you've got a question for john now would be a great time to ask it because He loves to answer questions. Yeah, I love it. Yeah I have children. So I love that Throw in the chat room right now whether you're on facebook or on youtube live and jeff holman who is sitting right over here I can almost kick him from here Uh, we'll not without knocking that thousand cores and microphones That's why they said almost Anyway, if you got a question throw it in the chat room because we'll get to your questions in the next segment Well, all that trailer Parity stuff turned you into this parody trailer voice guy right then turned you into this parody parody trailer voice guy In a commercial which is it's it's weird how it works because when I first started with them I didn't quite get the concept I thought that they were trying to trick people into thinking this was the real trailer for the movie Like they just pulled up some old trailer and then after a few seconds You realize oh, they're actually, you know poking fun at all the obvious plot holes or whatever it is And then after the first when they're like it sounds too much like a real trailer. I'm like, oh, I get it I'm making fun. I'm making fun of my own self I'm not doing a real trailer. I'm making fun of my my own trailer boys So what are you working on? I mean, what's your day like you were saying your voice is worn out? I mean, you're yeah, well I kind of hours your work You guys get get the the news first I don't know if you want to call it news or not since it's under non-disclosure agreement But after 15 years from my very first booking. I finally booked a recurring character in a network animated series Cool out of that. Well, I'm working for them every week I'm also working for marvel and for disney now for multiple projects, which is a really cool They marvel freaking really cool to work with great studio. They got their acting. Yeah, it was it I wish they could tell you how cool it was Um, and still doing dubbing still doing trailers Um, I did the voice for a toy recently, which was really really cool I wish I could say what it was, but I don't know when it's going to be out All I know is I will be buying multiple of them Um, and I haven't booked a toy voice in a really long time. So that's pretty cool I was actually one of my very first gigs 15 years ago. I was doing the voice really It didn't come out for like three or four years. But yeah, there's a star wars toys Yeah, it was fun to go. I'm actually found one in freaking a goodwill or something and bought it for me Oh, you found it. There's my voice in there. That's something I doubt too. It was only three dollars It was still in box though. It wasn't me. Oh, wow. It wasn't Not collect all these nerds are like I mean that's a I think it's really important in a career if you can Put yourself in a lot of different places and a lot of different genres I mean you're like you have to in order to survive One man Um, you have to be good at more than one thing or be the very best at one thing in order to be able To make enough money without any other career or side gig or whatever I mean, my my social media has blown up since my personal life has changed my my career Has also blown up But I'm not seeing that those numbers translate into you can do money You know, I have videos that are in the 11 million range two or three of them. I haven't monetized and they're monetized There's just no money coming like I'm looking like oh your estimated value is $1,200 and I'm looking there's like you've made 38 cents I'm like, okay Is there some kind of fee for being viral? Is that on youtube? That's on tiktok and on instagram Several of them on both of those. Yeah tiktok's gonna go. I think the way of You know, well tiktok is they're not paying their talent. That's the problem Yeah, well, I mean no, there's some people on there that have figured out how to do it and they're making really good money And it's just not me they're not making it on take me my girlfriend's over there kind of like looking around They're like me but yeah, she's she's got a fraction of my followers. It's still amazing though She's getting and she's in the 50k range and she's making more money than I am with the 740 I think today when I checked 740k and I'm making pennies You have to use it. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong to just use it It's only for marketing It really is it really is just to like let people know that I exist I feel like that date those numbers look good for Potential like clients that you know, all this guy's got well known and so I mean We'll go somewhere like we went to Universal Studios a couple days ago and some guy with a mask And I have no idea like I feel like I know you I worked with you or something before and then she goes like She's like epic voice guys Once again, we're talking with John Bailey who does everything apparently I'm a swiss army knife man You have to be hand on camera commercials. Yeah, very rarely And not a my agent thought that just because I booked a couple that like we're gonna be your on camera town. I'm like, yeah Okay, no I remember the Toyota commercial you'd Mitsubishi Mitsubishi. Oh, some Japanese one. I was gonna say, huh? We all remember John Bailey It should be a game you guys would be failing so hard. I forgot my birthday I was in a Honda Toyota commercial Forgettable branding campaign ever Well, it was like 2018 though. So it's been a few years. I remember the campaign. Well, I still remember what car was for Yeah, exactly, but it was it was cross. I still remember Anyway, we'll talk about that and I'll show you a few other things along with your questions If you just throw them in the chat room right now And we will get to those right after this important message from all of our wonderful sponsors So don't go away. We'll be right back with John Bailey This is Bill Ratner, and you're enjoying voiceover body shop with Dan Leonard and George Whittom vobs.tv Have you noticed the increasing demands of clients regarding our home studios? Are they at a professional level to record VO for broadcast? 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What the heck is source nexus anyway? I'm supposed to be remained professional as i'm fondled guest Source connect and source elements. These are the tools that are being used in so many pro studios because of Workflow everybody loves workflow. Don't they don't you love that buzzword? Well, that is really a big part of why it's such a Very well-loved tool and all the best in top commercial studios But what source nexus does we've already talked about source connect a thousand times source nexus is the glue that connects different systems Into one studio, right? It used to be everything was a rack of boxes, right? 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We sure are and we're also front Uh, we've got john bailey with us tonight and we are talking about What it really takes to succeed here in in la la land, which is everybody wants to come to hollywood And I you're gonna make a sink into the ocean go away Actually, the start of the rain. It's like already thickened up the Like it's just ready to fall in. No the stats would say the opposite actually people have been leaving californian troops So it's actually makes this lighter or more buoyant there I keep getting all these calls from my friends and buffalo saying you're snowed in in la. I'm like no Yeah, those three or four flakes kept me from getting out of my driveway. I don't know what a valley is That's right. Absolutely. Once again, if you've got a question for john bailey about anything at all No, that's not anything at all. That's Really bad question Throw them in the chat room right now. We'll we'll get to those questions in the seven inches my microphone is seven inches long I'm glad you sold in the rest. Yes. I already played without even being asked. Alrighty I've got the first question is from glenn lindar. Mr. Widow. You have the honors Yes, glenn lindar says what to know want to know I can't see the first word in the sentence wants to know the proper protocol For marketing as well as getting representation If only we all knew boy, that's a one team question. Yeah, somebody's very Well, you can purchase coaching from Uh, that's uh There there's no specific way to do something My my best advice that I give what I do coach, which you can buy right now Um, and I give you a lot more details about what I'm going to say Uh, is to just kind of have your brand be the same across the board Whatever whatever you have if it's for example, if it's v obs if it's vops you have vops.com You have at vops on platform platform platform Everything's ad vops don't make it add vops three four seven two three and make sure that your profile picture is the same on every single page Make sure that your demos are done your resume is done Your site looks like you've done like it make it look like you are a professional Voice actor because you're not going to get hired if you don't if you go If you have a website that looks like it was made by a fifth grader And it has one demo on it and it's a character demo when people are not most likely not going to hire you Unless you're willing to do some things that you may not be proud of later So I suggest having a commercial demo having a character demo and making sure that It sounds like you know what you're doing and it looks like you know what you're doing Even if you don't have that many followers if you have that brand down the profile picture looks the same People know how to find you very very simply and easily that is the that is the foundation For what was the word he used again the protocol for the protocol of getting yourself out there as far as getting representation There's a lot of people that don't even have representation that do fine representation is a matter of choice Not necessary necessity Uh a good example bob and september carter. I know you guys know them right over in Atlanta September has made her whole living off of voice123.com without even needing representation She's doing that herself and making very good money at it booking some very big jobs very big Games big movies big tv shows and you don't have to have representation If you think you need it, maybe you're not ready That's a good point You know, I didn't even know I needed an agent at first I just did I did whatever was thrown my way and every time an opportunity came my way if it Didn't you know violate how I personally felt or just seemed scammy or whatever I would be like sure I'll give it a shot and if it didn't work out that I learned my lesson If it did work out, you know, and it just led to a big break after big break But then my first manager, which I didn't even know most voice actors don't have a manager So like I said, there's there's multiple ways that people get represented. So I had a manager Second I was kind of self-represented at first manager second and then an agent So and then from that agent came agents plural outside of you know around the country So when did you fire a manager? Uh, I've never fired a manager before I switched managers. He actually recommended me to my current one Okay, because he he wasn't a manager himself. Like it was not his job. He was a trailer company So he just he just heard talent and he's like, I think we could work with you I think he could work with a producer and just kind of nail down that epic voice guy voice That's not that's not don't laugh until you know Russian smooth. That's like my own version, you know And uh, that's that first year I was at that. That's basically what he did But he he had his own business to run and he knew that he couldn't really manage my career the way it needed to be managed And run his company. So he found the best in the business business. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, who have no yeah Yeah, so in other words, it's a job. Yeah, it's almost like it's a career I mean the voicing stuff. That's the fun stuff that we get to do But the actual finding of work Is really where you've got to put all the effort in because once you're inside the booth You know who you are once you're gonna and there's just there's so many options now for getting work online without an agent It's just right You a lot of people think that they have to have that because they just don't know any better They just think I have to go in and I don't know if I should even have to say it But there's this wonderful website call. I want to be a voice actor.com I feel like every one of your shows should be say before you ask any questions Check out I want to be a voice actor.com literally because D. Bradley Baker did all the work for us already It's literally the FAQ of voice. It really is right all one place. It really is Are you ready, you know, and you were ready and you came I was I was a good amateur at first I was I knew kind of what I was doing But I did not I did not polish it and perfect it until time and getting coaching I used to laugh at people are like you need coaching. I'm doing fine without coaching I need other people tell me crap. I could find out on the internet for free But then I found out that there's more than runs region to get coaching and you can find out those reasons by hiring me for For a voice over coaching Well, for example, that's got to pay for his new Lamborghini One example of what a coach did that changed the way you did something I'll give a good one. You've got an example on your wall over here. Debbie Dairyberry Gave me the she had me come along. I wasn't participating in the in the coaching session I was just there at an observant observer at Anken Goose's Place way out far. I don't drive that far because it's just good sand can Another country is where it feels like And she let me like audit And I learned about pre and post life and I just never heard of that before I'd been doing a little bit of it just naturally with some of the things I was just doing Automatically, which is I started understanding what people was like you have natural ability. You have natural talent I was doing some things. I just didn't know what they were called and then once I knew about it It's like oh now I can actually Consciously make sure that that's part of how I do my auditions and how I you know, yeah So it's important to put the terminology with it. Yeah, and then actually have some examples I was like, oh, I didn't even think about, you know, the fact that post life and pre life Sometimes you can do both sometimes you can just one or the other the fact that you can use Improv and ignore punctuation. There's a lot of things that you can do to change up how you How you think about Doing something because you don't have the job yet, you know And I it took me a long time to even when I got the job to be like, can I just try something? You know, can I just do something that came up a month, you know and disney marvelers like the last session I went to marveler like john, we really don't need to even give you direction to do that just do your thing Just at that point like we're all going to lunch early guys. There's john bailey's here So yeah, you have to get to that point where you're that good A lot of people don't understand that just because they take one coaching class or one or two coaching classes They're ready You know that you can't you can't learn everything in one or two sessions because the business has always changed And sometimes you need to get in front of the right people find the code that the The coaches that also are casting directors because they're gonna want they're gonna know what it is that you need to be doing In order to be cast and it's not going to be I can do funny voices or I have a great voice So I should be a voice actor. I get I hear that at least one to three times a day Sometimes a dozen times a day. Sure. I literally did the coaching session yesterday I do this little 10 minutes of AM a ask me anything on five or for five bucks because most people just They don't have my kind of coaching, you know requirements because my time like I've already lost at least that $3,000 being here for an hour So, you know, we They're gonna reimburse And I was just I was telling him the exact same thing. I was like, you know, you have to like Anyway, you get the point. Yeah So yeah, I just people just don't know this stuff and they just assume Yeah, I mean people send us. I have a good voice, you know, like who said who said that and why did you believe them? People send us sound checks or Oh, yeah, that's my collection cup. Yeah, and I hear these files and I know exactly in that group who has coaches and who doesn't Yeah You can tell natural ability you can tell there's natural talent, but you can tell somebody who knows what they're doing And like I said, there's a lot of great information I could give you but I cannot give it to you for free because it took me 15 years to learn it So you have to hire me as a coach in order to learn all the things I can teach you That's why we don't how to get booked. That's why we all so it's why we all sell the services that we have We've spent many years accumulating knowledge. We've been we spent years stealing this information from other coaches so we could sell it for ourselves No, no, you you know and re-packages With our own name and brand knowledge change the words around We're gonna have a circular temperature vortex in there. Did you drink a truth serum before you came over? I'm always You guys know that's what see that's part of the problem though with with boys every coach is Most people are not blunt and they need they need charlie adler coaches They need people who will rip the band-aid off and not tell them what they want to hear Because you're giving people false hope when you tell people like oh all you need to do is do more coaching Yeah, well, that might be true But you need to tell them why and you need to tell them what they are good at and what they are bad at And not worry about telling them what they are bad at I've heard people say like well if they're they're not any good I was like, why don't you try to be a plumber? I know that's not true because I've heard those same people say Oh, what you really need is my advanced class and it's only a thousand dollars You know So just you can teach people what to do and if people just don't have that knack There's the way to tell people that they can't you know, uh, I'll never forget. You know, alex uh, whitesman from charlie adler's group He had he had a guy that was on the spectrum come in and he was just not improving You could tell like he he had a great voice But I only first saw that guy getting cast as that one particular character Like that was the voice he could do He did not have the range to change that and do anything else Does that mean he'll never do a voice over? Absolutely not. I think that anybody that wants to that has a drive and the determination to keep going at it Eventually he could be How many celebrities are just specifically for the way that they sound christin shaw is a perfect example So he's in gravity falls. She's in pops burgers. She has that specific voice that's un It's distinguishable for all the voices and nobody can ever really do it and that's just how she sounds So there is a place for that person out there But some people think that you know that can do it all well Maybe you're just good at one thing. Maybe you're good. Maybe you just haven't found that yet That's why you need to try coaching because there's coaches for every single thing in the industry Maybe you just need to find your niche But don't don't quit and give up unless you just are told by multiple professionals Hey, this is just not something you're good at try something else Because if you if you're if you're banging it at your head against a wall for years and years and years And nothing happens and you're probably not making any progress Which means it may just not be something that you can do I do think it does have I do think it's required to have some skill at it Like just to have some natural talent to it But I think it's a skill that anybody can learn if they know The techniques and they that's something that they can emulate when they're taught it Then you have a shot at this, you know, you just you just have to find it a way to make it your own Be unique or do it better than everybody else does and sometimes that's a very difficult thing Which is why only those people at the very very top that little tiny circle book so much because they have learned How to get to that point to be the very best or be the most unique at something And then once people the people who are making things or casting for things they know that they're good They don't even need to they don't need to audition. They know who they want It's like this smallest of people. I freaking want those folks. That's exactly what kevin smith did with heman He's like, I don't even need to guess. I just give me everybody that was from batman the animated series and we're good to go All right, we got a question from our own jeff holman jeff you have the floor Hey, what is that awesome moniker on your cool hat mean again? This is the mad bran co This is the m and the b And they do this really cool logo and this is called the epic hat that my girlfriend ordered for me for my birthday Let's get my favorite color on it and it kind of goes with everything. So it is pretty cool They have all kind of cool hats. I'm still waiting for them to make me a non snapback Because I like the fitted stuff But I do like their logo and they're they they send these awesome hats and little wooden crates with a crowbar You can open it up. I don't know. That's that's good. See people like that I feel like any end of jones looking for you know, try an unboxing experience. Exactly. It really is Now you've been doing some stand-up. Yeah, I've been doing stand-up for a minute grace newton's wondering Who did you coach with for comedy? I didn't He's just like uh, yeah, so these guys probably know because they're la Flappers has this offer where you can do Uh, a practice stand-up session in front of two or three people who do this Who do stand-up comedy professionally? So I was like, well, I'd been there a few times I'd been to the the talking tune stuff and I'd been to um The other one with the we talk funny and I performed there and while I was there for one of those things I was like, you know, I want to sign up for one of these things I want to sign up for the little coaching that you know, whatever So I put my name and number on there like oh and then like a week or two and by they're like Oh, hey, we got a an opening if you want to come do stand-up on such and such a night I'm like, okay cool. So so how do you prepare for that? I mean, I didn't know I I didn't I never really done stand-up before that first time I'd hosted at mc'd. Uh, you know, I had um Uh, I had like hosted for like these nerd burlesque, you know cosplay contests kind of whatever stuff Whatever the convention had me booked for I had to like announce their ridiculous names or Or vote for I had to be a judge. So I'd been on stage and I'd done a little sometimes Especially with cosplays. There's some there's some complicated crap So getting them on stage sometimes take a hot minute and So I would like have to fill in some funny whatever stuff and sometimes it would bomb horribly And but I wasn't really doing stand-up. I was just bombing So I kind of like found some funny stories that happened that were real life stories that I kind of Had polished over the years and you know kind of just improv segues in between each story And just kind of give it a shot But I thought I was going to practice in front of two or three people and then I'm out there with these other guys That I'd never seen before so I'm assuming they're all branded too and they're like, oh, is this your your first time doing? I was like, yeah, he's like, oh man, that's cool They all kind of seem like oh really your first time And I didn't think anything about it because I'm like, well, isn't it all your first And then I walk in the room and there's freaking it's standing around me There's like 70 something people in there and my body goes freaking no And you flopped wet I It was opposite of sweat. My body went cold. I got super pale. I felt my legs about to go And thankfully flappers has somewhere to sit in every single one of their rooms Which is the only stand-up place that has places to sit down. So I literally just said I was like, ah, he has kids In the whole room just like cracked up laughing. I was like, okay, we're all great And because I don't the only reason why I sat down because I really thought I was gonna pass So you so I So I just kind of and I didn't know where the red they said to look for the red light I didn't know where the red light was. I didn't know where to look apparently I'd gone way over finally saw somebody by the door like waving me down the room's pitch black Right And it was so funny because afterwards but everybody was like, oh, that's such a great set. I'm like that was a set And other people like I'm not told and they're like that was my very first time doing stand-up A lot of people like really like that's the first time doing this And it didn't so a lot of people didn't think I had never done it before and I had I don't know if you know Erica Rhodes. She does the sad sad lemons and she's she's from local here I performed Uh with her and I'd seen her before because her uncle was garrison keeler and he was in town And if you don't know, uh, oh show we used to listen to the radio prairie home companion And amazing voice too, which is one of the reasons why I knew him and the sound guy the sound guy In that show I listened to him on fisher price of reading rainbow. He just allowed the sound effects with his mouth Not michael winslow. It's a real white-haired guy Uh, anyway, so I I was going to that and we had somebody had brought me to see her show And then when I saw that she was on the ticket I'm like, oh, it's a Professional comedian that she'd been on NBC because I was like, hey, can you give me feedback tonight? Because only my third time doing this and I had tried something new that was and went horrible I tried to do like audience interaction thing and tried to like come up and tell me what you do And I tried to make a trailer out of it and kind of like the pranks that we done Well, and it did not go the rest of it went fine, but that part was kind of work So I asked her after she's like actually if if you just rearranged your your stuff a little bit better That was a really good. I'm like, okay. Well that comes from a professional person That I know has done this for a living. So I didn't feel too bad. Like I was doing horribly And then it just got kind of it got kind of easy when I realized I couldn't because that was the night I tried to like memorizing set up set up punch line set up started reading I I didn't I can't do it that way. There's I know there's people that do that It's like, you know, it's such and such is such and such ha ha, you know It's such and such is such and such ha ha. I just can't I have to just tell my freaking funny stories And find some funny segue to go in between whatever you're not steve martin. No, no, he is He rehearses everything everything's to this. No, there's no rehearsal for me. I do that all blind all completely Raw up there, whatever freaking if it bombs it bombs if it does it's Jim Carrey style really without all the physical stuff involved and I uh I kind of just Feel the room out too because I feel like when you're doing stand-up comedy, it's not about your material It's about what they're in the mood to laugh at right and you can always tell when a Crowd is a little more into the adult humor as opposed to whatever and I try to keep it on the clean side But I do have a a censored version of 50 shades of Winnie the Pooh See that's all I have to say that people automatically start laughing Oh, well you change out Christopher robin with christian gray And suddenly Christopher robin's red balloon spraying free whole bother Just I read actual I read I read the actual lines from The freaking book and it's so bad and one of the pooh's voice is just so much fun here Yeah, so just a little weird stuff like that But I try not to do things where because I've seen voice actors or people that do voices when they do stand-up And it's like I have to find a way to force voices into this So they shoehorn them in like this reminds me of that one character that I do and then I'm going to do it Or this one guy's there. I can't remember what actor it was But this is I've had more than one people show me this Where literally all he would would do is say and this voice actor is doing this and then or this This character doing this and he does that thing or this is what it sounds like when Character x and character y are doing it and I'm like, this is The lowest hanging fruit like this is the worst use of voices in comedy I feel like it should come naturally if it doesn't come naturally you don't do it So sometimes my improv my my comedy is just Whatever pops in my head at the time I tell the story about when I went to the universal for the very first time Um, and uh, I was hoping to ride the harry potter I I did not know that the harry potter ride was made in china for for smaller people It was literally fitted for chinese children and not american adults and at the time I was very tight Pounds at the time maybe something 280 290 And I uh, I went in the road. We waited through that line I didn't have a fast pass. I we waited in line for an hour and 15 minutes And if you know the ride, I was to the sorting hat That's how close I was to getting on the ride. It's right around the corner from there They don't have they don't have like the thing at the airline where you have to fit your carrying you're you're getting we're getting there That's that's the front of the line This this twinish looking young lady Carons me to the side. It's like, excuse me, sir. Have you tried our test seat? I'm like, you have a test seat I didn't and So I went to the test seat which is right there around the right in front of the sorting hat And the literally the next corner is the ride you get on at that point And the light didn't go blue and she's like, I'm sorry, sir And she like game of thrones shames shames me back through the line All the way back to the front entrance from there Now what you may not know if you don't live here is that there's a waiting room right there around the corner That I could have waited for my friend to ride the ride and literally takes you back to the gift shop Instead of walking all the way back through there by the line with her going shame shame Shaming you with a wand it's felt that way And then I lost like 60 something pounds and I came back and as I'm coming to the thing There's a test seat right there right there in the front of the building. Yeah, but nice to know about There was testing there that whole time. I never knows that for but it would be nice, wouldn't it? And uh, the little thing that I just thought of about the fact that there wasn't a that was a test seat I didn't notice and I just threw in a little bit of like that. I've been nice to know the first time By the way, Jamie lot of embarrassment next time you ride that ride You can go into the locker room area and you can cut and cut off You know outside area where you wait in line out. Yeah, you can cut off that whole thing You just go into the locker. We have fast passes. So we just Do that John it is always a pleasure that when you're here, so it's good to see you Awesome, thank you. Alrighty. Peace. Yeah, thanks for all of me everybody. Thanks for your energy. Yeah Anyway, we'll take her. She gave me caffeine before I got it. Oh, excellent We'll be right back to wrap things up and rack it up for tech talk right after this. Don't go away Yeah, hi, this is Carlos. 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What a guy just pull string and let him Yeah, I know anyway next week on this very program All you have to do is watch tech talk number 98 That's right 98 is the next one. Yeah, and we're gonna have a lot of great stuff to talk about So uh, stay tuned for that. You got a question. You can still ask your question if you got a tech question about your home voiceover studio Now would be a good time to throw it in the chat room so jeff holman can get it to us Before his next no, I feel bad john didn't really properly get to plug his coaching No, not at all I mean kept teasing it, but he never really truly easy to find i mean j o n b a i l e y just google them Okay, you'll find us coaching. All right So you're you're doing stuff on tech talk. You making any money with that? No No, in fact, I've lost momentum. I I just The last month has been launching a new website, you know, you're very full aware of what that takes And debugging it and finding every little thing that drives me crazy about the new website Um, all the things that you guys see pretty much were solidified quite a long time ago, right? It's all the back end stuff that I have to interact with that's been a work in progress Right, like I want a preference to do this. I want to be able to resort everything this way, you know So it's been a tremendous amount of little things, but um, it's coming together. It's been built by skills hub And skills hub dot life dot life is the actual company. They're they're a coaching platform for voiceover But they also built the platform that my new website at george d dot tech runs on And it's been an amazing learning experience and we've got I think a much better place to be great It's a more comfortable place to operate. It's easier for the actors to use So come check it out. 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