 Yo, that's hilarious. All right, it doesn't matter, I don't care. All right, so this is the Linuxcast. We talk about Linux things usually unless somebody uses some other stupid operating system. I'm gonna talk about that. Seriously, I don't know what's wrong with you. Anyways, that is it for the show. We're gonna be done and we're gonna leave now. Yeah, yeah. We don't have anything to talk about. All right, so yeah, anyways, this is the Linuxcast. I don't have any focus on this at all. My week has been absolutely horrendous. It's just been work nonstop. So I think I talked to you about this last week off camera is where we had four people quit, right? So all of their work kind of got shoved off onto me and that fallout is still kind of happening. And it turns out you can't hire anybody right now. Everybody is quitting. So, but I don't even begin to understand like whatever. But yeah, so I've been, I think I've written 270,000 words in the last two weeks. Yeah, I don't, most of that was rewriting by the way. So it's not as bad as it sounds, but still not great. My fingers hurt, okay. That's the reason why I noticed when that new track ball started hurting my wrist because like for the most part ergonomics is fine. Like I have just a regular keyboard. I don't have a split keyboard or anything, but when that started hurting my wrist because it does a weird thing with your fingers, you can get a control the ball like with these and it just hurt my wrist. So I stopped using it, which is disappointing because it's really cool. But also the track ball is not as nearly smooth, which is really weird for me. Like it's like kind of grainy, if that makes any sense. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, that's neither here nor there. So that's the reason why if we go through this podcast that I seem a little bit disinterested at times. It's just because my mind is on other things. So Tyler, what have you been doing in Linux this week? Oh, in Linux? Yeah, I'm gonna make a new rule that you have to do at least one thing in Linux each week. I don't care if you switch to Windows, but you have to do one thing in Linux each week, okay? That's the rule. That's easy, because not only am I wearing the Arco shirt. That doesn't count. I've been using Arco, it counts. No, no, the using Arco part counts, just wearing the T-shirt doesn't count. That's like saying you wore a Tennessee Volunteers sweatshirt and you played for the team. You know, those aren't the same thing. Just because you own the jersey doesn't mean you're the running back, okay? True, true, true. But all right, so look, I have been using Arco and I'm wearing the T-shirt. It's been really good. Today, for some reason, performance was not good. Daring streaming, Valheim was terrible, yeah, it was not a good experience. Does, when you just play, just play the game, was the performance fine? Because maybe it's possible that OPS was causing your issues. Possibly, but I doubt it, because I mean, it's a weird, like before I moved up here, I had Arco with the experimental AMD drivers and everything was working perfectly fine while streaming and not streaming. I did a reinstall of Arco up here, now it's not fine at all. Why did you have to reinstall just because you moved? Oh, well, because the first day I was up here, by the way, for anyone who's out of the loop, I moved up to Colorado to live with a buddy from the Discord, Scott. And yeah, so since moving up here, got up here, is the loop, we were like, you wanna spend the night installing Gentoo? And so we did that. And surprise, surprise, it did not work out. He has a bad influence on you, I'm gonna just say this right now. Installing Gentoo and then, because you messed up your perfect install of Arco, and then because your perfect install has been ruined by ArchCenter, I mean, you're gonna have to go use Windows? I'm tempted, I am tempted to go back, just because everything works really, performance-wise works really well. Yeah. I don't know what to do, I don't even know you anymore, okay. I know I'm changing. But anyways, the rule is one thing in Linux every week, and I'm gonna hold you to that, okay. And now, because I'm on your team here, and I'm just gonna go ahead and state this, using anything relating to WSL does not count as Linux. Sure it does, I actually disagree with you on that. Really? If you use WSL, you're using the Linux kernel account. Okay, so you're telling me you'll be fine with like my one thing in Linux being just doing something that you want to in WSL? Absolutely, sure. Really? Yeah, I mean, I would prefer you use like a properly installed Linux as drill, but. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, what am I gonna do? I can't force you to use Linux. I mean, it's just weird how like, I was gonna say, I mean, that doesn't really count because you're still, I mean, it is Linux, but I mean, Microsoft is seeing everything that you're doing inside of it, so it's okay. I mean, you apparently don't care, so I mean, what? I mean, yeah, good point. What? It's not gonna, it wouldn't count if it was for me because I would hate that, but you seem to be perfectly fine in Bill Gates pocket. Remember what I was talking about? That's what this is, right? He's paying you money to go back to crappy, or anyways. Not nearly enough. That's all I'll say. All right, so I don't even remember what I wrote down as what I did next week. I don't think I actually wrote anything down other than a lot of work, yeah. So I've been trying to set up a better share system between my computers. So from ages, I've just been using Samba. Like I just set up a Samba share on this main computer because this computer's on all the time, and then I can get to all the main files and movies and stuff like that on all my computers. And it works fine, and it's not gonna go away, but with certain things, I'd actually prefer to edit the files directly on this machine instead of having a share, because sometimes they don't, for whatever reason, they don't sync up all the time. It's a little weird. So I've been messing around with doing some of the non-streaming stuff. Like if I'm like, I'm gonna stream my movie to another thing, it has to be Samba, but for SSH or for other stuff, I've just been using SSH, and that's been kind of working. I know I've been trying to figure out how to go about creating a, like a NAS or something, but that's gonna have to happen to wait until I can actually afford hard drives because it turns out, fucking hard drives are really freaking expensive. You can buy the NAS enclosure, the hard drive enclosure for like 200 bucks. You know, that's not terrible or anything. You got like five bays. And then it's like $100 of hard drive. Yeah. And that's like, no, I don't, I mean, it's not exactly the way I wanted to do it, but anyways, that's kind of what I've been focusing on. I'm also still using Manjaro. So that's going into its third week. And it is, I miss Arco. This is for the I miss Arco. There are certain things. So the reason why I switched to Manjaro in the first place, it was before I came up with the idea of doing like a comparison video. The reason why is because I thought it would fix my gaming problem. Cause like you were able to at least play games that the reformers might be bad, but at least you're able to start them. For me, anything that uses proton in Arco would never start, it just would never launch. And I thought that by going to Manjaro, it would fix that problem, but it didn't, it does exact same thing. Now it worked fine in MX Linux, which is hilarious. Excuse me. So I switched to Manjaro really for no reason, but there are several things that just kind of bugged me about it. Like for whatever reason, trying to go through and get all the theming and stuff to work properly in DWM has just not been great. Also the file picker, so I chose the KDE version. And if you choose the plasma version of Manjaro, everything that has a cute file picker uses the cute file picker. So for like example, Firefox has both a G2K and a cute file picker. And it chooses which one to use based on what desktop environment you're using for the most part, right? And so it's chosen to use the cute file picker even when I'm in DWM. And the problem is that the file picker isn't going through and picking up the theme that I've set with Kvantim. And again, not a big deal, but it's just something one of those things that I notice and it drives me nuts. I've also been having that same problem with a whole bunch of cute apps where just for whatever reason will not go through and remember the theme that I was picking. Even though I've gone through and set the environment variable that I needed to set. It's a little weird. Also, that green flashing thing is gonna drive me fucking bonkers. Yeah. It's gonna drive me nuts. All right. Yeah. I should have just taken that $200 and just saved up a little bit more or whatever to get a DSLR or something. I don't know. I mean, that's probably what's gonna happen. You'll probably return it and just save it up. Then get DSLR. God, I don't wanna do this. Well, I mean, I don't really want to go over to Windows and talk about how much of a good time I'm having, but then also at the same time. I'm gonna send you a virus. I just wanna play games. Oh, well, I mean, that won't be hard. I'm gonna send you a virus just so you can come back to Linux where there's no viruses. Anyways, that is it for that section. Let's go ahead and move on to the contact information. If you wanna get in contact with us, maybe you have a solution for this stupid green flashing. I'd love to hear from you. Add to Linuxcast on Twitter. Subscribe to all of our audio feeds and stuff like that at linuxcast.org. You can contact us via email at linuxcast.org. You can support us on Patreon at patreon.com slash linuxcast. You can follow Tyler on YouTube and Odyssey, those links will be in the video description. YouTube is youtube.com slash zanyoji. I really do need to change that link in the show notes, but I haven't done it yet. So you can also subscribe to all of both of our discords. Both of those links will also be in the video description. There's a telegram group that nobody takes part in. Like there's members there, but there's no talking, but it exists. And you can also subscribe to linuxcast at youtube.com slash linuxcast. That is the contact information that was the best contact information section we've ever had. So we're moving on. Done. Perfect. You have a mic there. You can drop that for me. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just let me take this out here. No, if I actually drop this, it'll be terrible. It'll just, it'll just be terrible. Everyone in chat will just scream, like, why will the poor headphone users will die? But I mean, it was good for effect. All right, so that is for the contact information. We can go ahead and move on to the news section. So every single week, I mean, we're just flying through this really. Every single week we scour the internet for news from the Linux world that we can share with you and have a little bit of a conversation about before we've jumped into the main topic. So this week is no different. So Tyler, why don't you tell us what your news of the week is? Mine is a good and sad one. So they're like, you, I mean, especially if you're in the Linux space, you've probably heard of the Gingpad A1 and it's one of these like Linux tablets. I can't remember what the Linux distro it comes preloaded on with, but it has the more iOS kind of look to it. But it's a, it's a pretty nice device and the premium like price tag was a little high. It was like 700 bucks. Now for the new year, you'll be able to get it for 45% off, which makes it below $400, which for a brand new nice tablet, 11 inch tablet, that's pretty damn nice with an AMOLED screen too. Problem is though is the company might be going under. They're having downsizing and I mean, it's also kind of obvious it's very difficult to be a Linux hardware manufacturer in any space. So hopefully this sale will bring in a whole bunch of buyers and get them more exposure. There's no way at 45% off they're actually making any money on that hardware. Exactly. There's absolutely no way. Which is again, sad. But hopefully it works to get them exposure to give more sales down the line. Hopefully. Can I give them just one piece of advice? Don't call your thing Gingpad. Okay. I mean, it's a very own. I'm assuming it has something to do with their name or something, I don't know. But yeah, don't call it that. Come up with something a little bit different. Yeah, because it does sound like, I don't know why, but it does sound sketchy. It's one of those names where it just, it sounds like you're getting a cheap product. Like, that's just what it sounds like. It sounds like another like off the shelf, like off the factory floor, like model that's kind of generic. It sounds like a name of something you'd buy for like a three or four year old child from like a Woot or AliExpress or something, you know? It's just, it doesn't sound, I mean, and we know that's not the case. Like the hardware looks amazing and it looks like a freaking iPad. And it's cheap and runs great. I've seen videos on it and it seems pretty damn good too. But they chose a cheap name is what it feels like. It feels like it's a cheap name. So they need to rebrand something literally anything other than that. I think that's, I don't know that I can say that that's their problem. Like that's the reason why they're having with these issues, but it can't have helped. You know what I mean? I mean, just trying to like tell your friend that you should check out the Jing Pad A1 is kind of a, I mean, it doesn't, it doesn't roll off the tongue like an iPad. You know, like, hey man, you should check out the iPad Pro. Like it's really nice. Like it just doesn't, doesn't have that same premiumness to it. Yeah, it really doesn't. It would be disappointed if they don't, you know, aren't able to continue on. No, I mean, I really do wish them the best because their interface does look stellar. Might I suggest a company like System 76 or SlimBook or something like that, purchase them and fold them in. Oh yeah. That'd be cool. That'd be nice. So that'd be interesting. All right, anyways, that is, I don't know if even at that price I'd buy one though. Maybe. I don't know how to think about that. It's all fabricated. Oh, you're cool. Anyways, all right. So my news this week is about our, is about your favorite operating system in mine, Elementorio 7 will be based on Ubuntu 22.04, which is not surprising, but it'll also have GTK4 apps and Powerful profiles. Reason why I chose this was because, well, I don't know about you, but Elementorio 6 took forever to come out. Yeah. So I'm very much wondering if this will also take a long time. So they've announced several features and will the software center be fixed? They'll still suck. And it'll still suck. So Elementorio 7 will come with GTK4 apps or it will come with GTK4 natively. It doesn't say which applications will be transitioned over to that as far as I'm aware. It says they're working on porting a number of apps and desktop coins to GTK4 and granted seven and take advantage of newer features and improved performance, but it doesn't say all of them. So I'm assuming that this is going to be a transition that's going to take some time just like it is everywhere else. And also said that they're going to automatic updates in the app center and completely revamped music app. Those are the things that they're going to be doing. I don't know the automatic updates. I mean, is that something that people actually want on those applications? I don't know, man. I genuinely don't know. I mean, it's one of these things that at this point, like I just genuinely don't know what people want anymore because apparently some distros are switching over to automatic updates and you can opt out of them, but I mean, it's just there and people seem to like it. So I don't know. I thought as a majority even beginner friendly distros would be against the whole idea, but it seems like everybody's just in for it. Like, I guess more people are fine with, you know, it just, the computer taking care of it for them. Well, I can see the appeal for new users. Like if you set up something for your mom or your aunt or your grandma or whatever, set this up for them. They download apps all the time. They don't know what an update is. You know, this would keep their stuff up to date and stuff, but at the same time, those same people that you're setting this up for, I mean, chances are they aren't the most interested in getting the newest and greatest and most flashiest things. So can you imagine setting this up for your mother and she finds an application that she really likes, right? And it works fine for her. She's gone through and learned all of the stuff that she needs to learn how to use it. And then she sets her computer down when it reboots and does, has done its updates. She comes back and the UI is completely different. There's new features that she doesn't know how to use. And she's gonna get on the phone and say, hey, Tyler, you're sure she sounds exactly like that. I can't get my voice to go up that high anymore. And I think I even had, I think even my voice even broke there for a second. Felt like I was going through puberty again. But anyways, she's gonna call you and you're gonna be like, well, you can't help it. That's just the way it works. She's got automatic updates. So I don't think that this, it feels like not a great thing. It's just, I mean, I'm assuming that you can turn that off, but is this something we really want? I mean, I guess it's, I mean, it's by a person to person basis. But I just think overall, I don't think the Linux community is one of those ones where we're like, yes, automatic updates. It just, it seems, it feels weird to me. But maybe that's the power user. I mean, maybe regular new users are perfectly happy with it. I don't know. And maybe even as a power user, it just takes a few distros just trying it out for a little while to figure out which different distros communities do actually like it. Cause I'm sure some might actually enjoy it while others despise it. I mean, that's definitely how the Linux space works. Could be. And on that note, we might as well go ahead and transition to the main topic. So this week's topic was mine. And it's got, with my interaction with several Linux community and actually creating a small community of my own, I've been thinking for a while about the idea of community and the Linux community specifically. And to put it bluntly, the Linux community has a rather horrible reputation. It has a very, very prickly reputation in certain parts. And this was kind of on display in its worst form when Linus Tech Tips did his challenge or whatever. It just brought out the trolls. So it made me start thinking, is the Linux community, if you can say that the Linux community is actually a thing, is it toxic? Now, I don't know whether or not that's too general or not. And maybe we can talk about whether or not it's just maybe just parts of it are toxic, but that's the question for today. Do you think that the Linux community has a toxic element? Oh, yeah, I mean, I think it'd be a complete false statement to say that there's not toxic elements in the Linux community. I posted a video not too long ago, like my journey back to Linux and I got some pretty nasty comments on that video, which was literally just a video of me talking about like why I was using Linux or why I was using Windows. Like what got me started using it and like my experience with it and then like my experience leading up towards me ending up back on Linux using at that point Fedora. And I got, I mean, I got a lot of messages that were, I mean, one, like we went back and forth for a while and I mean, at one point this guy told me he was like, I mean, his problem was that I wasn't, I didn't send bug reports for stuff. And I mean, look, it's not like I haven't sent bug reports before, but it's no one's responsibility to send bug reports. And also there are some things where like, especially when it comes to a game, like where do you send the bug report to? Like you can't really send it to the game devs. Do you send it to Steam? Do you send it to Linux? Like your distro? Like where do you send the bug report to? But anyway, I mean, at one point he told me that like I should just piss off and use Windows and Cameron were like, he said something else to me. Like he tried to like belittle me or something. I'm like, dude, like that is the prime example of like what you shouldn't do. Like, I mean, if you care about Linux, like that's how you, that's, I mean, you are behaving as exactly the type of people that give Linux a horrible name and a horrible reputation. So yeah, I mean, there are definitely those elements in Linux, but it's not everybody. And it's definitely not the majority of people. Especially, I mean, there are some Linux distros that will obviously attract more toxic people. And then there are some distros that just seem to be filled with like nothing but super nice people. So I don't know, but I mean, you could say the same with, I mean, obviously Windows users or Mac users, there's so many of them, there's gonna be assholes and they're just, I mean, when you get any group of people together, you're gonna have some people who are just bitter jaded and use whatever they're interested in as an outlet to like just share that discomfort and unhappiness with others. So, I mean. I think I agree with that. My biggest issue here is that there are certain topics that kind of bring that out in all of us in the Linux community. I think that every one of us that truly uses Linux and has a stake in the community that has gone through, they've dedicated themselves to using Linux full-time. They hate Windows with a passion. They always wanna use as much software as possible. They hate the fact that there's a green flashing on my screen all the time and can't get fixed. Those type of people and that encompasses a vast majority of the people in the Linux community. And while most people I feel, most people that I've interacted with have been very good and well-intentioned and helpful. And there have been those people who are assholes all the time. That's just their nature. That's the way they interact on the internet. They tend to be just assholes 24-7. But there's also the tendency of people who get very passionate about the things that they like. So for example, I like Arch Linux and I like to defend Arch Linux. So when Zany over there talks about how Arch is not treating him well sometimes, it makes me very upset. And makes me want to defend Arch Linux to the death and drive to Colorado and strangle him with a chicken. I don't know where that came from. Just those murderous tendencies, I suppose. So poor him. Yeah, you feel bad for the chicken. I mean, I'm not that poor chicken, though. Anyways, the thing is there is like, we all kind of get attached to the things in the distro and the desktop environment, the window manager and the software that we use. And even amongst ourselves, we infight amongst what is better. So you're a KDE guy, I'm a GNOME guy. No, I can't even say that loud. Of course I'm not a GNOME guy. No, I can't even say that with a straight face. But you get the idea, like everybody has their thing that they are passionate and it becomes really hard for us to say, well, you know, just because I like plasma so much doesn't mean somebody else can't like GNOME. There's no, it's not hard. It becomes hard to empathize with people who use different things. And it becomes very tribal and it's because there's so many options and you do want to defend it. I mean, I completely agree with that. And one thing that you said that's like, very important to touch on is there are definitely a small minority of people in the Linux space that are only using Linux because they do hate Microsoft or hate Windows. And I mean, if that's the only reason that you're using something or passionate about it is just predicated off a hate. And that's not really a solid position to have. It also kind of makes you have more asshole tendencies. So I don't hate Microsoft. I honestly. I do. I'll just say. I don't hate Microsoft. I think that they're a company that is, does what a company's supposed to do is make as much money as humanly possible. That's what companies do. They're not a non-profit organization. I mean, I cannot disagree with that. That is 100% true. That's exactly what they're supposed to be. So it'd be like hating a dog because he barks. That's what dogs do, you know? It's just the way nature has intended them to be. So I don't hate Microsoft. I hate some of the things that they do but there's a reason why I don't use Windows. So I don't like telemetry. But I use Google services so I can't really say that I hate it so much that I'm a paranoid person because of it. It's something that's always in my mind. The biggest thing that always bothered me about Microsoft has been they tend to want to use their market cap or their market share to force people to do things. So for example, this whole edge thing where they don't want you to switch away from edge and they've made it really super hard to change your default browser. That whole thing, that bothers me. I'm already using your freaking spyware. Let me choose the browser I want to use. Those are the biggest reasons why I don't like to use Windows. Also, updates. I want you to be able to choose one of my updates. That's the whole thing. I don't want you to restart in the middle of me doing something. You're just so fucking stupid. Besides the point, but I think you're right is that tribalism becomes so tribal. It's a very good way to describe it. And we've talked about that before. We talked about how everybody, you know, all become team players and stuff like that. But what I wanted to talk about more is that the result of that, like people tend to, when they are passionate about something and truly believe in using something and have become fanboys of that something, they tend to ignore human decency when they come across somebody who uses something different. They forget that it's okay for that person to like something different. And are instead come across in either one of two ways. They either try to convert the other person into using what they like, which is okay, I suppose, as long as you do it in a polite way. Know when to stop, you know, obviously don't be harassing. Like don't come into my comments all the time and say, hey, you should use GEN2. Hey, you should use GEN2. Hey, you should use GEN2. No, I should use GEN2. Man, be careful there. I know you might be talking about yourself there a little bit. I know somebody who comes into my channel at the time of screaming GEN2. That's because I'm a troll and it's supposed to be funny. Oh, it is. So there's that one path, right? That they try to convert you. The other path is that they don't even care that they know they're never gonna convert you into something. So they just demean you and try to call you names and bully you and all this stuff just because of the thing that you like that they don't have to like or the thing that they like and that you don't like. It's the dumbest thing in the world. And the problem here is that as much as we talk about the way that the Linux community is about this, like it seems to be exacerbated in the Linux community because there's so many options. Everybody gets to hang out in their own club. Like, you know, you're- I mean, there's more to argue about. Like, I mean, what are you gonna argue about when it comes to Windows? Like, what task bar are you using? Like, come on, there's no, there's really no choice. It's like, well, what are you gonna argue about? Richard in the chat says use GEN2. Of course, of course, of course. So it does get exacerbated in the Linux community, but I don't think that it's unique to us, right? No. Like we said before, there's gonna be assholes in every community. There's just more opportunities for it to show in the Linux space. Cause I mean, honestly, like even though Windows has much more of the market share, Windows users don't really talk about Windows nearly as much as, I mean, unless you're working or you're trying to get to working at Microsoft, like most people are really talking about the underlying system. Here in Linux, everybody is, everybody. Most people who use Windows just wanna get into Google Chrome and browse their way to their porn sites, or whatever it is they do. You know? Or they use Microsoft Office or whatever. And they just use, it's a tool for them. It's not, you know, a passion. With Linux, it is a hobby, or it probably starts off as a hobby for most people and then they get into it and you know, can make it into something else. I mean, also, I think one of the reasons for this, and I'm gonna say this with all the love in the world, but the people who use Linux, not all of them, but a lot of the people who use Linux tend to be more anti-social, less people who don't get out as much, people who tend to focus more on the things on their internet lives than in, you know, actual life. So that they go through and tend to, Linux kind of has filled a void for them. Like I said, not talking about everybody. And you can kind of talk about this from personal experience. Like a lot of the technological stuff that's in my life has filled voids of other areas. But the point is because Linux has become more important to them than other things, they are more defensive of it when people criticize it. So my advice for those people is we need to go get laid, but... Or just go outside and touch some grass. You know, just go outside, touch some grass. Really fine. Unless you're in like where I'm at and there's like 24 inches of snow on the ground. Yeah, I was about to say. In which case there is no grass. I've got to get used to being out here. I just thought about it. Like, should I haven't seen a blade grass since I've been out here? It'd be possible. We got mountain to snow though. You could suffocate yourself in a snow bank. Try to find some more grass. I don't know. So to go back to the original question, I bumped the mic. Of course I did. Had to change the ears around because the headphones still are painful. Anyways, to go back to the original question, are there is the Linux community toxic? I don't think that it is toxic as a whole, but everybody has the ability to be toxic in certain ways. Like they go through, because of that tendency to become a fanboy things and become defensive over the things that you like, everyone has the tendency to veer towards inappropriate behavior towards other people on the internet. It's just something that happens. It's kind of the nature of the internet. So the question is, then what do we do about it? If we all have this tendency? I mean, really, I don't know, man. That's a tough question, because really in all honesty, like ignoring it is not really a solution. I mean, I don't wanna sound confrontational because I don't think that's not what I'm saying and also not what I'm implying, but you kind of do have to call it out. When someone is behaving that way, it has to be called out because it's not okay. And if you just leave it there and ignore it, there's a lot more people that will come in and see that and be like, okay, so that's the acceptable behavior in this community or not even be interested in interacting with other people who use Linux or may not even be interested in using Linux in itself just because that's the type of people who use it and that's their kind of mindset. And Kazooom type. Scott Sneas. It's interesting having a roommate now. But yeah. Every time I hear somebody say bless you or Kazooom type, it reminds me of a book by R.L. Stein. I don't know why it popped in my head. Now you're gonna make me get interested in watching some Goosebumps later. Yeah, okay, so it's a completely off topic. R.L. Stein did Goosebumps in Fear Street. Everybody knows this, right? But he also had one adult book and that was, yeah, he wrote it for adults and it was blatantly for adults. Several very explicit sex scenes in it. But anyways, the whole premise of the book is that there's demons in everybody, but they escape the body by when you sneeze. That was the whole premise of the book. Yeah, he never wrote another adult book as far as I know. Anyway, it was not very good. Anyways, you can tell when we've managed to get to the end of the topic. We just managed to fear off to the side. Yet, and also just also on the same topic, the Fear Street series, when I was like a teeny bopper, like 12 or 13, favorite series, I love that. And what's hilarious is, like those are horror books, like horror books. They're all exactly the same now, but looking back on it, they weren't very good books, but at that time, you know, whatever. But I can't stand horror now. To me, it's so fucking stupid. Every single horror movie is just, I laugh at half of the shit. Okay, hold on, hold on. You're saying you laugh at half the shit. Have you seen Hereditary? No, I don't watch horror movies at all. I can't stand any of it. You think you're gonna laugh at this movie? Watch it, just watch it. I have a, wait, hold on. Do you have any siblings? Well, yeah, they're all older than me. Oh, okay. Well, I have a younger sibling. In this movie, I'm not kidding. Like it's a horror movie. The horror is pretty good, but dude, when I say it traumatized me, like, holy crap, it is one heck of a horror movie. Yeah, I don't really get traumatized by anything. Like if you watch any of the Texas chainsaw and massacre stuff, like there was- Oh, no. Yeah, those are not as scary though, you know? Like there's, the one with Jessica Billback in the early 2000s, maybe the 90s or something like that, but anyway, the moment where her boyfriend or the guy is wearing her boyfriend's face, like that's just a stupid movie. Yeah. Every time I come back, that's just stupid. And when you watch those movies, like what kills me is like, I see like 80 scenes where I'm like, okay, if you just started running in that direction, I guarantee you'd live. Like I can just fall into one direction, just start running that way. Don't stop for any reason. I guarantee you'll live. The best movie, the best horror movies I've ever seen were the scary movies. The ones they call- Oh, dude, those are so good. That's just because they're comedies and how scary. Yeah, dude, the guy with the messed up hand and he grabs like mashed potatoes and tries it and he's like, he wants- Oh, my favorite movie of those is the fourth one. There's a moment in there where they're watching, like there's a TV in the background or there's like a news report. It says, this is Detroit before the alien attack. And then it shows, there's like buildings on fire and stuff like that. And then it shows Detroit after the alien attack, same exact scene just but with aliens. It was so good. And then when the main character is trying to escape the city or whatever and he gets in the car, but somebody else was trying to come with him. But the car door is locked. And he goes, I'm gonna count to three. Damn it, you're three or my three. Cause he keeps pulling the car, the lever when he's on three and the car door is still locked and it wouldn't come open. Oh, it's so good. God, I'm so sad that Leslie Nielsen died. Man, it was a good actor. Man, also just in case anyone is completely out of the loop I'll just go ahead and lay this one on you. Again, this is completely off topic and everything but Betty White recently passed away. Like just in case anyone lives under a rock. If you don't know who Betty White is, screw you, find out. You have free time, use it. Betty White's awesome. And yeah, like that one was like, damn. This year has not been good for celebrities cause we lost Betty White, Bob Saget, John Madden is gone. There's several other. Neil Young took all this music. I don't use Spotify, but dude for everyone who uses Spotify all of his music is gone. I love Neil Young. I mean, it's not like he's gone or anything. He's not dead. You can just switch to a different streaming service, Tyler. It's not the same, okay? I don't use it, but I know so many people use Spotify and they're like, damn it. Now I have to go like pay for another subscription or something. Switch to Deezer and pay for the yearly subscription. You'll save like 20 bucks a year. Isn't Deezer the one where it's like kind of all pirated? No. It's exactly like Spotify. It's just a different service. Man, I'm thinking of, I saw some videos. I think you're talking about Napster. No, there's one that I saw. I think it was DT or somebody did a video on it where it's like, it essentially just pirates all the music. Oh yeah, I saw the title that I didn't watch that video but I know you're talking about it. Yeah, Meatloaf too. Meatloaf is dead. Oh man. And yes, Betty White was one of the last goal or was the last golden girl? The rest of the golden girls, they were all really old when they were golden girls. Yeah, yeah. So the fact that she lasted so much longer. But look, hey, I'm a guy and I'll freely admit, golden girls, good show, good show. That whole era was filled with good TV shows. We used to watch a show with Dick Van Dyke called Diagnosis and Murder. Like it's a stupid show nowadays but. Never heard of it. It was one of those, they just don't make, there are too many procedures on TV nowadays is the problem. So yeah, we really have gone off the rails. Yes we have. I guess we should like try and get back on topic but. It's Scott's fault. He sneezed, you said Kazooontite. So I had to bring up R.L. Stein and it just kind of devolved from there. I can't help it. I don't even know what the title that R.L. Stein book is anymore. Pretty sure I don't even own it which is stupid because I keep all of my books but I'm pretty sure I got rid of that one. Oh man, I get rid of my books as soon as I'm done reading them. That's why I can, like when someone asked me like, how many books have you read or like what books have you read? I'm like, oh, I have no idea. Cause I just give them back. I mean, I used to have a library card. That was awesome. Just go down there, grab books. But that was also before. I had a library card too and often got books from the library. But when I own a book I keep it. But nowadays it's all digital. Yeah, like now you just get audio books. Like, that's what I do. Like you don't even have to read. Somebody's telling you a story. Like that's, I feel so bad about it cause it feels like I'm like, I'm losing something. Like my ability to read. Yeah, but then also at the same time like it kind of like when you think about it for a second it kind of changes everything. Like you don't need to be able to like, you don't have to be able to learn to read to be able to get very intelligent with like the amount of quality, very intelligent like podcasts there are. Like you could listen to plenty of great guys. Like Lex Freedman's a great one. Like you listen to very intelligent guys. Discuss very, very deep conversation. Do us all a favor and don't listen to Joe Rogan. Okay. I listen to Joe Rogan, okay. He talks to a lot of interesting people. I don't care, I don't care about his misinformation. That's not why I'm telling you to do this. But for the most part, he just drives me nuts. Oh, I like it. Same thing, I mean, I don't care. Same thing with Adam Corolla. Do you ever listen to Adam Corolla? He's like the granddaddy of podcasting, right? And he's like one of the biggest podcasters. But some of his stuff they talk about is just really weird. Yeah, I've never been interested. I don't like that much. But I mean, the reason I like listening to Joe Rogan is because he's the only guy out there who has like podcasts with like, just like UFO guys. And then the next podcast is, you know, Brett Weinstein was like some highly educated professor. Like, how do you go from the two? Like, what's- That's the thing. I think that's what most people don't understand. I mean, don't understand about Joe Rogan. It's not, I don't know what he believes when it comes to this COVID stuff. I don't think it matters. All he does, he's like the clickbait guy. I mean, it's not really clickbait. But it's the same thing. He wants to be as extreme as possible, take as many different. Well, yeah, he'll just talk to both sides. Yeah. And that's the thing. You can't tell which side he's on because when he talks to both, he's pretty indifferent. And you're like, okay, what? Like, I don't know. It's just conversations, but also at the same time, you're kind of like, do you have a side? Like, do you have any bias whatsoever? Like, you've got to have a bias. Like, come on, bro. The best clip I saw of him recently was Bill Burr on his podcast, just laying into Joe Rogan about the COVID stuff. It was funny. I love Bill Burr, man. Bill Burr is not one to be censored about anything that man, some of his comments about women just, like some of his older stuff, like he's like, why do we even need women? I'm like, okay. Dude, like it's amazing that Bill Burr like has had like pretty long, successful relationships. Like when you hear him talk, like sometimes you're like, man, this guy can survive in a relationship. There is no way I can't. No way. Like seriously, how has this guy ever had sex? Like Jesus Christ, some of the stuff, but hilarious, man, he's so funny. Anyway, he has a bit about the Titanic, which just always makes me just laugh out loud. Anyways. And to Glosec, no, I'm not pro-illiteracy. I'm just saying, hey, for the illiterate, audiobooks are kind of awesome because you can learn a lot without having to learn to read. Also learning languages is great through audiobooks. Like you wanna learn Spanish? Listen to some Spanish books. You're not gonna understand half of it, but that's how you learn. I mean, you'll get along, especially if you can do like where you can switch between English and Spanish, like listen to some of it in English, then go back, listen to Spanish, vice versa. Like, yeah, that's a good way of learning. But then again, now we've got like learning apps that cost like nothing. Like 99 cents for like a whole month. Well, you can use it nonstop. You can use that Duolingo on your phone for free. Like it has an app. Oh really? It has an app purchases and stuff, but you can learn the language pretty much for free. If you want more languages, you have to pay, but the main languages are free. Now, I don't know if it works or not. I took... Well, I mean, I'm terrible at learning languages, so I doubt it works. I took six semesters of Spanish in college. Now granted, excuse me, I've been out of college since 2010, so I've been out of college for 12 years. So I don't, I feel like I don't remember very much Spanish, but every time I hear somebody talking Spanish, like on the television, like, oh yeah, I remember, I understood that. Now I couldn't pronounce that. I can't roll my R's worth a damn. Like rolling my R's, it just sounds like I have, I spit all over things and suck, it's not pretty. So you don't want me to speak Spanish at all, but I can understand some of it. So at least that six semesters of Spanish actually paid off for at least a little bit. I can at least understand it. I can ask where the bathroom is also, because they kind of drill that into you. No, just because I care. Do you want to go onto the apps of the week? Yeah, I think we probably should do that. Because I know you have to go at some point. Yeah, we should do that. So Tyler, all right, so is the Linux community toxic? It can be, I think is the answer to that question. Yeah, it can be. Moving on to the apps week. So every week we go through and have apps pick something or the other. We still don't know what to call it. Eventually we'll come up with a name, probably not. Probably about the same time there's an actual website. I'm just going to put that out there. That's right, we didn't even talk about that. Yeah, I didn't make it. Don't worry, don't worry, we'll bring us on by. Don't worry. I didn't make any progress on the website this week. Yeah, I know you've been busy as shit. So like we'll just bring us on past it. Anyway, so Tyler, your thingy of the week. Yes, it's that thing in KDE that drops down that terminal. Yaquacue, or however. I'm going to pause you right there. It's just called Quake. Quake? That's what the, somebody in the, I missed, I did the exact same thing. You just did youquacue, youquacue, guano. Yeah, yeah. It reminds me of Ace Ventura, guano. Hello, bat poop, does that ring a bell? Anyways, supposedly it's pronounced quake. Whether or not that's true. That's a lot of horse shit. Quake is spelled with a Q. I know, that's what I said. But how am I supposed, probably something to do with a trademark or something. I don't know. Yes, in the chat too, they say quake. Sounds good. All right, all right, hold on. Okay, well then Quake is my thingy of the week. Man, it is just great. It is really nice. Just have it set to a key binding and then you instantly get your drop down terminal. It's always there. It is scratch pads. That's what that is. That's a scratch pad. No, no, it's different. It's exactly, it's the literal definition of scratch pad. What are you talking about? Shh, shh, shh. I'm gonna be toxic here for a minute and just say you're stupid. It's just freaking scratch pad. No, it's different, it's different. All right, I agree with you. That is good, but if you use DWM, you don't actually have to have it. You could just use scratch pad. That's true, that's true, that's true. But then again, at that point, you're using DWM. You know, that came out of my mouth, like it was like it could have been a disc, but it's not, DWM's so good. It is so good. Using DWM is awesome. All right, so my thingy of the week is tab groups. Now, this is not a specific tip, but if you're using a Chromium-based browser, I'm actually, I'm wondering, give me just a second. This is gonna be funny. I just wanna check, cause I'm pretty sure, it doesn't matter. I was gonna check and see if I'm pretty sure I used this one last week. I'm pretty sure I'm thinking that I used this last week. Well, hey man, if you like it that much, why not? I'm just curious now. This is scintillating television. All right, yes, look, chat. This is live research being done right now. You're getting information fresh, hot off the plate, okay? No, I used Go Yo last week, okay. I don't know why I thought I did this. Anyways, tab groups. You can tell I just have not had enough sleep this week, like four hours a week. Anyways, so basically what tab groups are is exactly what the name says. You group tabs together and you can either save them for later or you can leave them open, which is what I do. And if you're on a Chromium-based browser, you have tab groups built in, you should consider yourself very lucky. Expression. This is revolutionary for people who you have like 30, 40 tabs open at a time and they tend to keep them open. That's how like they save stuff. I'm sure if I were looked at my mother's laptop right now, she'd probably have 140 tabs open. She always does this. Like that's just the way she, she knows how bookmarks work, but she doesn't wanna, you know, use them. But, so she just keeps all the tabs open all the time. And every time she loses the tabs, huh, she freaks the fuck out. She just, seriously, she loses her shit whenever she loses the tabs. So tab groups allows you to go through and save the tabs and categorize groups and be very organized. Chromium has this built in, but Firefox does not. I've switched back to Firefox this week, by the way. I should have put that in the, think of the section at the beginning. By the way, is what I was meaning to say there. But anyways, there is a couple extensions that you can use to get tab groups in Firefox, and they're just as good in Firefox for an extension as they are in Chrome. You should use them if you use tabs. So. Or you could just, you know, learn how to close them. Fuck you, Tyler. Nobody asked you. You're freaking me, your opinion. This is definitely the best part of it. This is definitely the best podcast. Just fuck off right where we came from. Just me sitting over here with my humble four tabs. I wouldn't, you know. Four tabs, okay. Fuck off. I'm not fucking joking. Nowhere, you don't have to count them, all right. So there's, let's see, there's four. Another four. 15. Another four. So that's 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26. I have 26 open right now, which is pretty low. I mean, guys. Damn it. What do you want from me? Oh, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. I have five tabs I would not for. Not bad. Not bad. Oh, you want it? 27. I also have the chat open on this one. I don't fear. Oh my God. That's why you need so many workspaces. Why use Chromium when Brave exists? And the reason why you'd use Chromium. Brave is Chromium. Like, what? You can use either one. They both are moderately meh, in my opinion. But Brave is Chromium. It's just got different extensions at a moment. And Crypto. Yeah, and Crypto. Crypto adds it in. Because he doesn't love Bat. I mean, he doesn't have a shitload of Bat on him. Yeah, I mean, you know me. I'm just Bat rich over here. A 12-step program for my tab addiction. The stupid thing is, is I used to be the guy, like Tyler, the asshole over there, who only had four tabs. And then I started using Chromium. And then the addictions filed out of control. And look guys, I can't force him to go into rehab. Alright, I can't. It's so cool to be able to have an ideas group, where I just shove all of my video ideas right into that tab group, and they just stay there. Now, I suppose, if you have like four gigabytes of memory, this is not a great thing. But I have 64 gigabytes of memory to burn. You know? I gotta use it some way, otherwise. I understand, you're a big roller. What I was gonna say is, have you ever seen 40-year-old Virgin with Steve Carell? There's a moment, he's like in a group or something. I don't remember what the situation was. He goes, is it true if you don't use it, you lose it? So with the memory, it's like if you don't, obviously he's talking about his penis. But in my case, I'm talking about the memory. Kelly Clarkson. Dude. Yeah, see, I mean, I don't know. God, that was a good movie. Yes, it was. They crashed into the car. God, that fucker came out of nowhere. So good. Alright, that is it for us on this podcast. We gotta stop this. Otherwise we're gonna say you're talking about movies the entire time, which we basically did anyways. For those of you interested in hearing me talk about movies all the time, I have another podcast. It's called The Three Cast. I will leave a link to that in the video description once this goes on to the edited version. So you can go through and watch that. That's done with my friends, Vince and Ricky. We do that about once a month. Our next one we're gonna be watching is called Angkonto. It's a Disney movie. I did not choose that film, by the way. The other two gentlemen that do that with me are both fathers. So every once in a while, they'll choose a video that they watched with the children. So that's what we're gonna be doing next. Lynn Manuel Miranda, I believe, wrote that film. So it should be interesting. Anyways, that is it for us on this time. Before I go, I should take a moment to thank our current patrons. Today, Devon Patrickle, Primus, Marcus, Megalyn, Jack Snipetul, Steve Weiss, Abigail Linnis, Garrett Mitchell, Art Center, Carbon Dan, Jeremy, Sean Oden. I don't know why I always mess up Jeremy, Sean Oden. Because I think that they joined in opposite order. So I switched them around. So I always want to say Oden, Sean, Jeremy. But it's not the way it's supposed to go. Jeremy, Sean, Oden, Martin, Merrick, Camp, Josh, Lee, J-Dog, Peter, A, Crucible, Dark Bandit 6, and the new guy, Vlad A. Thanks for everybody who has subscribed. 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For Tyler, who doesn't apparently know what time zones are, that's 1 PM Colorado time. I've got such an ass all the day. That was so toxic, man. No. Luckily, you did send me the message right at when we were supposed to be going live. I was getting prepared. I'm like an hour ahead. I'm keeping track of what it is. You were right on time, but really, you were late, just like you always are. Although, you're like three weeks in a row sending your audio right after the show. I can't handle that kind of punctuality. Anyways, that is it for us this time. We'll see you next time. Bye.