 Good evening and welcome to Tiskey sour. There are two days left until the general election and we have a new addition to our Suppose our technical offer, which is a countdown in the top. Oh, no, it's that for the audience was that just for me? Actually, I'm not sure anyway. I can see a countdown until polling day. Maybe you can two days one hours I've had a really long day Anyway, I'm gonna introduce my guests Grace is dying Grace Flakley super star economist friend of the show How's it going? Do you think you'll survive the show? The countdown is in the top of your screen. Excellent. I'm also joined by Bel Ribero Addy who is Gonna be a new superstar of the PLP the Parliamentary Labour Party Bell is going to be replacing none other than Pretty safe, isn't it? So people tell me but I wouldn't take it. No, it's not a good look to seem complacent But what was what was Chuck's majority? 26,000. I'm sure most of that was personal though. Most of that was personal, I'm sure. Of course. That was a Labour majority And it should have stayed with Labour, but that's another story. How have you found the campaign? I mean because you're in an interesting situation, right? Because you're someone who is you're in a safe seat So normally what that well no seats are safe seat, but you're in a safe seat So normally what they'd be doing is shipping you out to other more marginal constituencies But because you're new you get you know You have more of an excuse to knock on the doors and get to know get people in the constituency to get to know Yeah, I went to Kensington Yesterday, I think it was or was it today? I'm losing track of days every day feels like five. So It was yesterday it was definitely yesterday because I was wearing different clothes But yeah, and then tomorrow I'm going to Battersea and Putney I think maybe it's Croydon South and I wake up and there's a diary that tells me what to do Spoken brilliant. Who's who writes the diary? Somebody Three other people. No, no, I've got a fantastic team. They're all volunteers and Yeah, they've been absolutely amazing. So they're gonna let me know where it is that I meant to go tomorrow Matching up with them, you know, whatever campaign sessions are going on But yeah, I'm gonna whiz around South London Marginals tomorrow. It's very important to keep every single seat we can And when we happen to someone new on the show, we like to you know, do a little bit of background a little bit But get to know you time So tell us about yourself. You were talking earlier. You were big in the NUS Before getting selected to stratum you were working for Diane Abbott. Yeah, and big perhaps notorious I was there and he was black students officer and And at the time I would say the NUS is slightly less progressive. So you would get you have a few issues I mean at the time you had an NUS in which only the black students campaign was for a free education Which sounds really weird given that it's the National Union of students, but there are a lot of high-profile You know Labor students some of them have found themselves as members of Parliament So the politics were quite different then obviously now everything's changed and They're very different. They're a lot more active. They're a lot more progressive and how they should be and that's great I've worked for Diane Abbott, which is great privilege I came working for as a backbencher actually just filling in for someone and I ended up staying for seven years But it was great because I got to so many different jobs in our office Just making myself useful up until the time I became a political advisor and then started managing the office as their chief of So I went through international development health and home affairs Which is probably You know because of the types of campaigns myself and Diane have been involved in has been the most the most interesting to do and To be able to change Labour's immigration policy that's That was key. Oh and to get Amber Rudd to resign What pressure over Windrush did you ever think that maybe you could get the bigger scout Theresa May? You know we did what we could but the fact that Theresa May had to apologize As a prime minister of the UK for us it was amazing because it was the first time that a British Prime Minister has apologized for anything that's happened to the black community in Britain When I think yeah, I can't think about any other time they're apologized Did they apologize ever Steven Lawrence? No, not really. No, the cops. It was deeply I don't think so there was the There was the inquiry the McPherson inquiry and it was you know, we have lessons to learn It was a tragedy But in terms of an apology and actually they apologize on a number of occasions because of windrush and rightfully so But yeah for me as far as I know the first time and hopefully we can get a few more apologies Well, hopefully they'll be You know the ones where you go back and apologize. Oh, yeah, we'll get a retrospective apologize So one of the things that we Do There's some great policies in And one of the things we're gonna do is actually get them to release all of the papers relating to past colonial governments. Oh, yeah, and Release all the papers right into the Shrewsbury 24 and the Camelot shipyard workers Who were the Shrewsbury I feel embarrassed now, but the Shrewsbury 24 They gosh, I'm trying to I keep getting confused with the Camelot shipyard workers, which is really bad Anyway, they'll release they'll release the file But they they get that it was another incident much like And now that name has escaped me as well All greed or much like all grief in that invite involved the South Yorkshire police Yeah Please So more of those Grace what we've been up to over the last few days the last time we saw you'd been on the battle bus with Ian Lavery I went on the battle bus again. Is that why you came back sick? Yeah, I think so Yeah The last time Because the last election the bus was a bit of a prop which I shouldn't tell him No, we were probably I mean the bus was it so I have defunction which was transporting us from place to place Well in 2017 it was just a bus that just a photo of us I mean sometimes you would get like a short distance, but why didn't it drive people around that's bizarre because it takes a longer time on the road It does yeah, I guess that's probably true. So we got she depends where you're going Yeah, I reckon cuz like we were I mean the places we were going I reckon is a pretty poor investment in Infrastructure in the north very difficult to get from east to west in the north Takes longer to get between Liverpool and Hull than it does London and Newcastle. There you go transport stat Then London and Newcastle my geography is really bad because I'm from there to there But yeah, we went to like This is gonna be held up as like, you know Loosing it's northern working class face. Do you know what it is? I'm not ever some people are really fussed about Where they are in the world and I obviously it's great to travel the country a lot But if you get on the train and it takes you where you're going, why do you need to know exactly on the map? I like looking at where I am. I find it's not gonna change it I know what you mean. I quite like following my train journey on Google Maps Define drive you have a driving license. No Driving license doesn't mean you can't drive It just means you don't have A go-pad in Italy so I can drive was like no, you don't have a driving license. How can it be? I have an issue with them things like Lights You can do the fundamentals, but they just failed you for the nitty for the yeah Like I was telling someone last week about my second driving test ever and I was doing quite well because I did actually have lessons No, so not my second driver does my second Driving lesson and so we approach some traffic lights on a actually on strutting hill and the lights Chate were changing so do you know they turn yellow? I put my foot down and the driving instructor got really annoyed and I was like, isn't that what you do? To go from yellow to red you don't speed up to get through in a driving Everybody who drives does that No, but I've been sat next to people who are driving and when it goes yellow, they they put their foot down That's really sweet that you've been like Like I feel like a lot of the stuff you do while driving is not actually the stuff that you're supposed to do in your driving test No, 10 to 2 You know And I always get a lot of trouble because I when I'm directing drivers I do things like direct them through the bus lane because that's the route. I know oh because you take the bus The answer to the question is no you cannot drive Should we talk about something? We're going to talk about the big issues of the election today Electoral events often create out of themselves political tribes So 2015 we got Corbyn East as the referendum. We obviously got Leavers and Remainers Scott Knapps in 2014 this general election has brought with it NHS truthers So NHS truthers are people who when there is A boy who has to sleep on the floor for four hours because there was no bed for him not uncommon either So there were over half a million people in situations like this last year This happens it makes the national news and people assume that this must have been staged So we talked about the case of four-year-old Jack on yesterday's show Straightaway after that incident last night. There was shares of I suppose a sort of it was a written document that was shared Via Facebook and via Twitter which was saying I'm a nurse in that particular hospital And I know that this was completely staged and that the mother just put the child on the floor took the picture and sent it to the press And then we're actually shed loads of beds Immediately afterwards you could tell this was not the case because the head of the or the chair of the hospital had said we Apologize for this event. We were you know, we were overcrowded. There were too many beds and we're very sorry This this had to happen. We do tried to provide a better service so he had all the evidence there, but that didn't stop one this spreading like wildfire on social media and on Twitter and I mean, this is one of those occasions where it's like, what do we do about that? What do we do about the spread of this was just News not misleading you spake news But one thing we can do something about or we can demand Or people we can demand better from let's say our elected representatives elected members of Parliament and Fully established right-wing journalists. So this conspiracy theory The NHS true for story was shared by Michael Fabrican Scott Benton, Wendy Maisie Carl McCartney, Carl McCartney shared it He he was already sort of in trouble during this election because I'm pretty sure it was him who'd been retweeting McCartney was previously forced to apologize for retweeting posts from former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson and far-right commentator Katie Hopkins so obviously when Anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic material so obviously when when Boris Johnson was asked in the leaders debate What are you doing about Islamophobia? So I it's one one kick and you're out and then they listed a bunch of these cases to me said well I think all of them apologized But they clearly haven't been particularly strict with their social media use because within a period of two weeks three days before a general election They're all sharing Nonsense conspiracy. I suppose you could have a conspiracy theory Which is that this is exactly what the conservatives want because it means we're discussing fake news instead of the NHS But to be honest one, I think that's probably not true and to if it was it would have been a fuck-up Because the NHS has been leading the news for the day. It was leading the news yesterday and I think for the first time well not for the first time, but Let's say the Tories have felt comfortable during quite a few periods during this general election and they seem a little bit on the ropes right now Talk about what you think is going on though. I always refer people to and they think I'm a little bit of a Conspiracy first. Have you seen the Great Hack? Is that the one? My dad was trying to get me to watch it the other day. We've Dominic Cummings. Is that the one? No, that one. It's on Netflix, isn't it? And this way of you know spreading messages, and I think it's really cut through Whereas we in the Labour Party have been quite great on social media And that's why we did so well in 2017 campaign because obviously we couldn't depend on the mainstream media We haven't necessarily invested as much money because obviously we're not billionaires Into you know the negative ways in which the Conservatives have been campaigning and so when anything like that comes up you see the kind of The comeback and the comeback was oh, this is fake news This is fake news and and you hear it on the doorstep in the way that people repeat lines Which almost come directly from the Daily Mail that this this way of targeting and messaging is actually Getting through yeah, it's really really dangerous And you will find that a lot of people would have seen that would have been told it was fake news and Instantly believed it and not and not thought to look any further and that's why that type of messaging and and media is really really dangerous I Mean, I think it's a deeper problem in the sense that We live we don't live in a world anymore when news exists to like Disconfirm your prejudices almost anything that you think it's possible to provide to kind of find online some sort of evidence That it's true I think if you didn't want to believe that the NHS was in crisis because you want to vote for the Tories then You see this and you'll immediately take it on not necessarily because you are completely not least convinced of its authenticity But because that's what you want to believe so there's a source and you're going to kind of imbibe that and Even then when you start to see even if we had a really effective operation to be able to like target the The bots that are spreading this same, you know, you saw on Twitter There was like loads of bots that were saying exactly the same paragraph over and over again If we had a really effective operation to be able to say no actually You know if you're explaining you're losing right? There's there's if someone wants to believe that there's not a lot you can do Through the internet or through like established forms of social media mainstream media Sorry, especially given the way in which a lot of the mainstream media seems intent upon Destroying its own reputation to convince people to believe things that they don't want to believe which is why it's so important to focus on like much wider Narratives than it is on individual sets of facts elections are one and last based on stories and Like, you know particular facts and incidences and whatever Fit into those stories in in different ways and the reason that this has blown up so much is because it fits into the story that they We've been telling for a long time about the NHS being up for sale about, you know, this being the NHS election, etc and the way to You know deal with people who don't believe it is to strengthen the power of the story not necessarily to kind of try and do some sort of very specific operation to Delegitimize particular account spreading particular things Because I mean you just can't you just can't do that like if if you know the right wants to spread lies on the internet via Like, you know millions of individual local Facebook groups. Some people are gonna see it and some people are gonna believe it The question is can it be like drowned out or Pushed back against by a more coherent story that actually says You know, here's a reason to believe something else until we can make it illegal to do that Until well, I mean, yeah, but even then you want to make it illegal to Yeah, I mean, I just I just don't think it there's a level of responsibility that's meant to come with being a journalist Oh, yeah, but I suppose so you've Alison Pearson should lose her job. Oh, a hundred percent But I suppose she won't because she works on a telegraph and she actually amplified So Alison Pearson is the journalist who she's we can maybe get out the tweet actually so she said, you know I've I've got it from sources that this was All staged and I'll put it in the telegraph tomorrow in an article and then clearly over the following sort of six hours She realized There was no telegraph there was no verification. She may have actually got some source sources, I mean we've had situations where I think it was one day was all Jeremy shadow cabinet people resigning there was a BBC presenter stood in Port Cullis house saying Diane Abbot is holding up The door she's not letting people come in to see Jeremy And one of my colleagues actually got up to go and help her hold up the door It's like don't be silly. Let's just call out and find out where she really is She was on the terrace having lunch and she took a little selfie of herself and put it on and this this BBC journalist Heard it from three other MPs So you can always say that you've got some sort of source But it's meant to be the responsibility of journalists and now with the way social media is working You know the companies themselves should have some responsibility in ensuring that information is factual as much as is possible Do you think the Tories will regret having an election in the winter? So so lots of people when this election was first called was like Labour won't want an election in the winter because it Protect potentially, you know will damage turnout and there'll be a big job on the hands of every Labour activist To try and encourage people to go out even if it's pissing down with rain and incredibly windy Which it seems like in many parts of the country it will be but it also has and obviously Labour came all about turnout And the Conservatives which is why Jeremy Corbyn tweets a lot about voter registration, and I think Boris Johnson never once Yeah Yeah, but one problem for the Conservatives about having a winter general election is that this is when you get Pilups in hospital not because it's a natural disaster by the way You didn't get these as much as you as many Criticisms we might have of new Labour you didn't get people You know piled up without beds in winter because they actually increased funding for the NHS is not rocket science But do you think Boris Johnson will regret this how much do you think the NHS is cutting through could we see a last-minute swing in the polls? I mean we did we are you know every week that we have of this campaign We're seeing more of a bump in the Labour vote and if it was going on for another two or three weeks, you know I don't there's no reason why We wouldn't be seeing a Labour polling at 40 something percent, right given the trajectory that we're on And it definitely looks like this week that this NHS story is going to be what's dominating and the NHS is a big concern To if we're thinking about the people who have yet to make up their minds undecided voters. They are like not massively Into politics they're not going to be paying attention to all the ins and outs of what's going on the kind of Twitter spats that animate all of our lives They'll be kind of have one eye on this election and one eye on you know, whatever else is going on their lives on Christmas Whatever the NHS is something that is being talked about in this election of like with which they will have Some intimate knowledge and probably potentially they're more likely to have had some experience over this election campaign so in that sense alongside the fact that you know as well as a lot of undecided voters tend to be women and We'd be more animated by pictures of kind of children lying on the floor of hospitals It does seem to be the kind of issue that could pick up a lot of votes in the final week of a general election So the longer we manage to keep this story going and it's I think it's like 10 million people have now watched that clip of Johnson On Twitter though. That's what worries me. So 10 million people who are on Twitter. Yeah, they check Facebook. I was still because slightly younger generation really is into Facebook but Facebook is Still very big Lots of old people use Facebook so yeah in in sort of marketing language Facebook is for boomers Yeah, and then insta is for young people. Is it generation Zed tiktok is for Gen Z Tiktok is for Gen Z Insta slightly older We're millenials we're millenials still We're always millenials. It's a generation I'm using all of my words today because I don't know what day of the week is not still I Think it's millenials mean you became an adult between 1995 and 1980 you became an adult around the turn of the 21st century You came of age around the turn of the 21st century So can someone in the comments tell me the precise definition of millenials. I think it's people born between 1980 and 1995 Okay, yeah You just want to throw that. Yeah, I'm still young even if I am dying By UN definition time still here Yeah, so Facebook Facebook boomers people lots people still use face But they sort of change the algorithm. So it's a bit harder for things to go viral So actually stuff on Twitter often now gets more views, but it gets I think more views Maybe from the same people over and over again. Yeah, 100% or it doesn't seem to be Anyway, I don't think many of these target constituencies, which is often No middle-aged women who voted leave who because of Brexit might be inclined towards a conservative part But because of social services and because of the NHS Our traditional Labour Party voters and the Labour Party will be desperate to be putting at the forefront of their minds The fact that it is only a Labour government that is properly going to invest in public services and properly invest in the NHS So even if you did vote leave You know in terms of Brexit take a risk with with the Labour Party in the sense that you might have to remain if you vote Labour or you might be able to leave on a soft sensible deal or whatever But ultimately the Conservatives are a bigger risk because after nine years of Conservative government There are 4.4 million people waiting for operation, which is the highest number on record I think it's good to have at least three of these facts ready to roll off your tongue for when you go canvassing Which yours? What my stats like use canvassing or do you want some stats about the NHS any Eva, okay? So some stats about the NHS. I mean what do you have some that roll off your tongue? So I got four. I think you might as I remember them 4.4 million people waiting for an operation in England the highest number ever Yeah, 600,000 people last year Waited on trolleys in A&E for over four hours, which is ten times the amount It was when the Conservatives came to power And the number of people waiting more than two months for urgent cancer care has tripled Wow, the Conservatives came to power. That's really good. So those are my three. I mean the ones I always use are like Decade of wage stagnation. Yeah, five families have the same wealth as the bottom 13 billion. That's a recent one That's a good one. I haven't um What's tell me that last one again, sorry five families have the same wealth as the bottom 13 million Wow, so five families have the same wealth as the bottom 30 million imprint that into your head before Thursday What are yours? I used one mainly. Yeah, 120,000 people died unnecessarily. Yeah, because the results of a story because that covers Yeah, different things from NHS to universal credit to just the government being We talked about swear words before you can you can just the government being complete dicks about how they yeah How they how they treat people and you know services generally 90,000 kids will be homeless this Christmas. Oh, wow Child poverty is up. Isn't it over 55 percent? Some maybe it might be just about 50. Yeah living below the poverty I think homelessness is up 65 percent since 2010. I'm actually making all this up To one of my brain is completely melding mine were definitely true the first ones of yours Yeah, the sort of longer you went on and the more dreary your voice got the more it sounded like Everything is really really bad. Yeah, yeah Basically, but there is hope for change. You're watching Tiskey. So you're watching the borrow media as you know This channel this show is only possible because of your kind donations if you are already a subscriber. Thank you very much You might consider giving us an election bonus if you are not a subscriber Please go to support on a borrow media calm and give us the equivalent of one hour's wage a month So we can keep upping our output and fighting for a better world where the statistics are slightly more Happy yeah, I feel like if there's anyone currently watching this who hasn't watched before Then I would warn them that the quality of particularly my input is usually higher Also like this video However, dozy we all seem because it's been a very long election campaign Put a like on this video Yeah, it feels very long. There's 1600 Only 268 of you have liked doesn't cost you anything I'm just saying appears in more people's news feeds if you do which spreads the message spreads the cause We really need a boost right now guys Come on. How are you feeling about the general election in general? I mean, we don't do predictions on this show, but I mean you're allowed to do a prediction if you want I'm not a pollster I'm not a big fan of the polls, but do you know what was really really Really enthused me that was the amount of people that registered to vote this time around I really do believe that's going to make a massive difference And it's just important that as many people take part in the democratic process possible As you mentioned before Boris Johnson and Joe Swinson did not encourage anybody to register to vote Which I think is quite disgusting It's bad enough that so many people don't vote in this country at all but for party leaders to kind of Support that just for their own electoral gain is quite it's wrong. It's just wrong And I I do believe that the majority of those that registered to vote would have done so to vote Labour So that's good for us. Yeah. I mean, otherwise other people would have been asking people to vote Yeah, yeah, otherwise. Yeah, because no one else asked anyone to register to vote So we can probably presume that it was Labour people that did register to vote predominantly. Yeah I mean, I've been to like nearly 50 seats over the last month and I mean What is exciting is that pretty much anywhere you go There are very strong campaigns and there are lots of activists who are very dedicated very excited And a lot of positivity about the manifesto about the policies And like enthusiasm to communicate them Um, obviously there are I mean, there is such a difference between different parts of the country Like it is like whatever there are enough people So you've been you've been on the bus going to the region that the Labour Party are particularly nervous about Yeah, actually on the bus. Yeah, they're what called the red wall seats Yeah, because they're Labour seats that are traditional Labour seats that voted leave and now seem like they're you know Out threat of going to the Conservatives. There's a lot of worry You know among Labour activists that there's not enough people who are going to those seats because yeah activists live in metropolitan areas I mean partly like putting aside any previous decisions about policy The problem I think has been that amongst particular people the The thinking that's kind of animated this campaign has been the idea of the Lib Dem squeeze And I've been saying for a while that I think that's You know reached its its peak. I think it will end around 10 the Lib Dems will end around 10 or 11 percent Um, and that we should have spent a lot more time a lot more resources and put a lot more people in places That that voted leave and I think that was That's particularly the case Given I mean we basically assumed that the Brexit party would be just as much of a threat to the Tories Right flank because the Lib Dems would be to our Our remain flank But that isn't the case because of the the deal that they managed to do And I think we should have realized that that would happen and just put a lot more resources into those places And just focused the messaging of the campaign on those places because there was a I'll tell you a story about we were in Middlesbrough and the battle bus rocked up and we were doing an event and then after the event was over A guy drove past on a mobility scooter singing the red flag and shouting traitors And like at us and this is the interesting thing like in a lot of these places, you know strong labor seats that have a tradition of That had a tradition of of labor organizing of militancy perhaps kind of industrial Strongholds that feel deeply deeply betrayed over the new labor years And whose cynicism about politics and politicians has been Like consolidated by what's happened over brexit and think of the promises being made by labor today as In kind of similar terms that as everything they heard in 1997 And Yeah, I mean there's there's just a sense amongst many of these places that No politician can be trusted that things Can't really get any better. So it's best just to vote for things to be stable And that Yeah, I mean The the the places that they live are not the places that the politics and politicians care about and I think that That sense of alienation has been seized upon by you know, the brexit party and others Who've turned into this cultural narrative about london elites who hate the rest of the country But the problem is actually economic In that these are places that have been starved of investment throughout the last 40 years which You know as a result of the particular kind of globalization that we've had has led to Increasing disparities between rural and urban areas. So and that alongside like political centralization and All sorts of other stuff has led to I mean the just the poverty in some parts of the country And it's obviously, you know, when you're in london, there is stark stark poverty as well But it's juxtaposed with extreme wealth. So it's almost easier to imagine A way out because you can see the people that are hoarding the stuff. Whereas if you go somewhere like ashfield where there is a memory of Of prosperity from a particular source that is associated with you know, Whether it's it's mining or whatever But it just seems as though That is disappeared now and there is just this pervasive narrative and sense of decline And battling that cynicism is really the biggest challenge that labor faces and it requires Organizing in those areas and I think it also requires thinking about the labor movement in those areas as well Not to put a dampener on things. No, no, but I get it. It's just it's really sad. Yeah, because people don't actually believe That things can be better and even though, you know, we've been very very clear and this is someone who makes policy for the Labor Party It's all costed. We know that we can deliver it, but we can't because it's So good and people have spent so much of their their time living a certain way They can't believe that we would actually deliver this. Yeah, exactly. They think well, they're just promising us the earth And then you've got all the Tory naysayers, you know saying well, actually we've done this report and we can prove that It can't be done and that doesn't really help even they're like, yeah, absolutely, right You know the leg part you're just lying to us magic money tree All of that nonsense, but it's true. We can do it in the I keep saying the fifth richest country in the world But I hear we've dropped to the sixth richest country. I think it depends how you measure it Whether or not you do because it's GDP per capita and it's whether or not I think you do purchasing power parity or not No in GDP per capita We're not fifth with a fifth biggest economy in the world in terms of x richest country in the in terms of per capita I think we're quite a bit further down Oh, maybe you're right, but with a fifth big or six biggest economy in the world Okay, all I know is that we have money. Yeah, I mean that's that's the important point We have enough money to provide everybody decent healthcare everybody decent education Everybody decent housing, but we just don't and people have become so resigned to that that they won't believe that Somebody would come and change that for them or again a government would change that for them Yeah, do you agree that the Labour Party potentially got a bit too obsessed with the idea of a lived end squeeze So there were lots of MPs who a bit like potentially A lot of MPs who six months ago was saying we've got this huge majority But we're gonna lose our seat because the Brexit and it seems like at this point They're gonna, you know get returned to Parliament with stomping majority Yeah, I think everybody has had some sort of effect from the dodgy bar graphs And I suppose not just that we had the incidents where we had people leave and join The tinge party and then Yeah, I like your your man. Do you speak to chucker? Um, I saw him actually on Remembrance Sunday Oh, because is oh because he still is the MP for stratum. Well, well, no Anyway, not now, but he was the MP for certain until yeah People in was people in stratum that you've spoken to kind of pissed off that he remained the MP there while he was Yeah, I mean a lot of people were and I would say and I think even he hasn't defended it himself Whenever arts he says well the electoral rules state that He explains why he can stay the MP. He doesn't defend it But it was a labour majority and people voted for labour not just for him There's a reason why you stand as a party because you know, you want to bring in everybody that that shares those values And to remain the MP. I mean absolutely his right to leave if he wanted to Everybody should if they don't want to be a member of a party you should leave but to uh to stay A member of parliament and and kind of take the seat for another party Completely unfair to everybody that pounded the streets for labour not just for him for labour Um, and you know and all of those people that said that they wanted a labour MP in stratum Are you from stratum? I am I am born and bred so you're gonna be a local MP. Yeah Who's gonna come second in your constituency? Who came second in 2017 the Lib Dems? No, the Tories did. Oh really? But if you go by the Lib Dems dodgy bug Oh, are they doing them in your are they saying that the Lib Dems are winning in stratum as well? Oh, yeah, they've got big like Lib Dems winning here. Um, there's been a spate of Actually, I thought that they were all being torn down. Some have been blown down by the wind labour Labour states But no, yeah, they keep saying that and oh they've leafleted Oh my gosh, some people who had six or seven different leaflets from the Lib Dems Um, the funniest Is that right? Yeah. Yeah, it was quite funny. It was the big one that says Joe Swinson Britain's next prime minister Oh, we had a labour member come in lovely old guy. He's like, it's extraordinary She thinks she's gonna be the prime minister But you know, um, the Lib Dems are not winning there And Joe, Joe Swinson is definitely not going to be the next prime minister Oh my gosh, she's been so Yeah, she is she's been so bad It's hilarious. What happens when liberals who the press fawn on because basically every journalist is a Lib Dem Like suddenly are actually exposed to any level of accountability. Did you see Emily Maitlis interviewing Barry Garner last night? I didn't see the whole thing because we were doing a show But I saw a clip afterwards and she was like grilling him on don't you think after you've told So many centrists that they're Tories and now you want them to come crawling back to you to vote And it's like Emily. I mean you need to get off twitter You're hosting a national news show And how many actual people in you know, the people who've been called Oh, just go and join the Tory party is about a hundred centrist people on Twitter who've been told it by Other people on Twitter. Like some of them have literally now started to say vote Tory Rather than vote Labour. So No, but they'd say that was your fault Grace The reason they're voting Tory is because you told them to They said well, you told me to join the Tory party now. I'm doing it I've never really said anything like that Mainly because I see those people as irrelevant sees and tend not to try and engage with them on the internet But I'm sure some people have probably rightly so All right, let's take some of your questions. We're going to do quite a a quick show today. We're going to end at nine Because now we're doing them daily. There's only so many hours. You can watch these things And also some of us need to go to bed and Grace needs to go to bed and Yeah, this this election is really taking it out of everyone. I think We're here to give you your burst of news that you need your burst of analysis And all the enthusiasm you need to go knocking on doors more than you've ever knocked on doors Well, you Right, they're they're losing it here. All right, let's make this did also also tweet about a Corbyn cult earlier kind of The thing is they call it a Corbyn cult Because people support the leader of their party But aren't you meant to support the leader of the party? I mean, I I what we supposed to do it's this like deep Has this like deep cynicism that's almost like this the relic from the like peak postmodern pre-crisis period where believing in anything with any level of Kind of genuine enthusiasm is seen as In one way or another like weird or cultish or whatever So the idea that there could be a political movement aimed at Like from that's primarily based on the from the grassroots that aimed at transforming the country transforming the economy Is to people who view politics as basically like a fun Game like an observer sport that they're all kind of, you know, vaguely interested in as like a hobby It's just like they just don't understand it. They don't understand why anyone would like You know invest their time energy and a sense of who they are in Building a different world because the world as it is works quite well for them Yeah, but and also I suppose on the flip side You could say anybody that would still support a conservative party that has ravaged the country the way it is With a prime minister that is racist sexist And and everything in between. Isn't that a bit cultish? Yes. I mean the cult it's like it Yeah, it's like this weird death cult, isn't it? They're clinging to the remnants of a dying capitalist model that's gonna You know like burn the planet alive amongst a bunch of horrific I'm feeling really That the You know you said earlier you're someone who's works, you know on issues of racism for a long time Are you surprised at the extent to which the conservatives are getting away with With with having racist members and a racist leader in this election, or is it completely predictable? No, it really it shouldn't be I find it fascinating that Boris can say everything he does he has done in the past and Everyone well not everyone but people be okay with him not apologizing And you know whilst they have want Jeremy to apologize for a range of of things and will berate him for a range of things But Boris, I mean like literally there was a map that the Independent did of all the countries in the world that he offended. This is when he was made Wow foreign secretary and there was no space left There were no blank spaces left like most of the globe he had said something really offensive about and Yeah, people just don't seem to seem to care Or it's not it's not really made a big deal of in the mainstream media Which is interesting given what the mainstream media like to pick up on And why do you think it is that people don't do you think it's people don't care because It's not made a story because the media tend to give the Tories an easy ride or do you think it's that? I suppose there just isn't that much sympathy. There isn't that much outrage at racism in the public There's not enough outrage at racism in the public But I think it also does go hand in hand with the fact that the media tend to give the Tories an easy ride. I mean Casually saying the n-word And casually. I mean, I just think of what some of their politicians have said about Diane some of them have been able to continue to stand as politicians be their Councillors or members of parliament and that's and that's okay because they're talking about Black people and that doesn't really matter does it because They're fair game Uh a lighter note nile glinn should we nationalize sausages 100 percent? Yeah, definitely Do you know the context you know why he's asking this question varieties of sausages so we can have vegan sausages If we nationalize sausages a bit easier than pork ones really But it's not your favorite kind of sausages. Did you do not see the context should we nationalize sausages? Yeah, so this is what Emma Barnett like to be fair to Angela Radar's face. Angela Radar's face Did you see this? Why are we nationalizing sausages? Yesterday it was the on the BBC. It was the the youth debate. I think so it was A debate with some of the party leaders and some significant members of us. I think labor put forward Angela Rainer I don't know who the conservatives put forward But there was a question. I think it was about client. I saw the clip instead of the whole thing But basically there's a point at which Emma Barnett says Are you going to nationalize sausages? Well, no like Rainer is is talking quite passionately and Well about our climate policies. Okay, right. And then she's sitting there just going like this. She just goes Gonna nationalize sausages Just in response to this Brilliant monologue about the climate crisis. Just like what that point is literally insane It's ridiculous. Sorry. I shouldn't say that that's bad for mental health reasons No, but I mean that the idea that nationalization one won't work or to Renationalization so one won't work or two is completely impossible is Would you nationalize gregs? Gregs. Yeah. No, I'm not a fan of gregs. I think that's why not Put it as part of the national food service that we're going to have Do you commodify the means of subsistence? I suppose the argument would be that gregs works all right They already feed people for reasonable prices, but why do they put so much dough in their um Sausage rolls like they should have more filling. I think the dough is the best part of this It's a bit too much. Do you reckon? Yeah Oh, I wonder if this is true. I should fact check this before I repeat it But at least I'm being clear that it's just what someone said in the comment section I'm not saying like two sources told me it's that connor wells in the comment section has told me Uh, mrp poll just out conservatives free free seven labor two three five smp 41 libs There's no number there which is White Plaid kumri one green one plied kumri In any case the important thing here tories on three three seven labor on two three five So there is everything to play for that is definitely squeezable Boris Johnson has No reason for complacency and he could be losing his majority on fursday if enough of you were going out knocking on doors Um and and getting our votes out and persuading people who might be considering voting a different way I mean, I have no beef with the greens. I just think that some of them should really reconsider whether or not They should be standing in certain places Yeah, I kind of think that you know this this thing about begging liberals for votes like There are a lot of people who view politics as like this post material moral exercise Because they have no skin in the game when it comes to what's going to happen in the next government because they're basically safe You know, they just they want to think of themselves as nice people So it's just all theoretical exactly. So they vote lib dem or green like you're not going to get them to vote labor by trying to convince convince them that it's you know silly or like Pointless to vote for the lib dems or the greens. I mean a lot of them will though I mean that that's so something that happened in in the 2017 general election Was that lots of people who were considering voting lib dem or voting green came back to the labor party? Yeah, I mean And they have and they have again, but there's no basis for a long-term socialist coalition that isn't based on Material interests rather than like convincing well-off people through a moral argument that they should probably vote labor rather than voting lib dem Yeah, but I just don't I mean with everything the greens say about the Tories Um, I just don't see how they managed to get into some sort of deal with the lib dems And I know obviously it's not the same party But the lib dems themselves have said that they would vote for borris's deal and essentially vote for Tory policies on a case-by-case basis, which kind of sounds very dup ish To me I can see if yeah, they they would definitely do a confidence in supply and exchange for a referendum which they'd lose Yeah, all right. This is um What's the word correction? This is how good the media organization We are when I say something from the comment section. That's not entirely true live on air My producer tells me that it's not entirely was that fake news. No, it wasn't fake. Well, it wasn't a you gov To us It's just not I trusted him. It's not a you gov mrp. It's a focal data mrp And kona said focal data. So it was me that made it up I wonder if that's what happened yesterday and like Laura Koonsburg just he actually texted her saying I walked into his hand and she was like Which is why you're meant to verify yourself. Yeah, well, it's hard to it's hard to verify when you are live But she Laura Koonsburg had no excuse right And apologies to kona because he was you know entirely Straight for for for straightforward with this information Um, the final press god asked why has windrush not been mentioned once in this election That's a very because it's bad for the Tories. I mean, we've been we've been talking about it But they haven't because they haven't sorted out the crisis In any way shape or form. They're not compensating people and to the level they should and people are still dying recently uh, hubert howard died and hubert was actually one of diane's Constituents so we dealt with his case Um, and he was being treated as if he was a foreign national All he wanted to do is go home and bury his mother in jamaica Which he couldn't do and he only got his um nationality three weeks before he died so that he was able to receive treatment By that time he was too far gone And he died too And he didn't receive any compensation for having lost his job lost his home You know all of the issues that he had with his family And all of these things are still ongoing and they keep making out like it's It's all gone away and everything sorted. I mean, it was all such a mess In in the first place, but you know, if you've done something wrong, you should be compensating people properly um Yeah, I mean it just seems like You know, even if wind rush had been more of an issue in this campaign the tories Probably wouldn't have particularly cared. I mean, they've scaled up their horrific rhetoric on immigration as a kind of large last-ditch attempt to scare people into voting Voting for them and I you know, I think they'd probably just brush off any rhetoric around around wind rush saying we have a Very tough stance on migration and sometimes that means things fall through the net But broadly it's a fair system and Australia points base whatever Yeah, I mean it just wouldn't yeah the whole point space system with their point to Australia or they're pointed to Canada They actually want people to come in the hostile environment doesn't want people to come in it wants to split up families You literally have people being told and being deported and being told that they can communicate with their children over Skype It's ridiculous and it's just this long like I was listening something to the day just the experience of a guy Who had been going through this process of Like rooting out documents in order to prove his identity for a decade And by the end of it He had such bad mental health issues from the constant anxiety of not knowing whether or not he'd be able to Stay in the country and see his kids that he was like couldn't work like you know just Permanently affected by this horrific experience that just suddenly Like transformed his life It's horrifying and the EU settlement scheme is just another wind rush scandal There are some EU nationals who literally you can't I mean having to sit there and prove that you bought I don't know go through your bank statements prove that you brought a cost of coffee and sent pancreas station four years ago So you must have been here at the right time is just ridiculous But it's not also It's not just affecting your average EU National adult We're also talking about children who may be EU children that may be in care There have been no provisions for them to automatically give them residency already, which is absolute disgrace Should we leave the EU which I hope we don't you'd find yourself in a situation with those children You know, they're they're not protected Uh final question Uh, it's there's a question from the audience and I'm going to add my own question So the question from the audience kai kizwani best cure for a cold Which is important information for all the the canvases going out this week But then the question I'm going to add is what is your inspirational message that people can take to the doorsteps? Uh tomorrow and Thursday I'll start with sure Cure for a cold. I mean, I have the flu Which is different. I'm more serious just FYI Now you say that Yeah, so I'm going to go ahead and say I've been taking ibuprofen and Coconamol like four times a day So that works. That's not a cure though. Is it that's a um Oh, yeah, no curing the only cure is sleep. I think raw garlic and sleep. Do you swallow raw garlic? Oh, yeah, what you can do a bit weird maybe But I learned this from my mom you chop up Or my sister I can't remember you chop up free clothes of garlic And then you swallow them as if they're like pills Creepy. Yeah And then you sleep for as long as you can. Oh, that sounds funny. Maybe I'll try that tonight. Yeah, I smell really good in the morning What was the other question the inspirational message? Yeah, I mean, god, there are there's so many inspiring things in that manifesto like You know the context is that we've had a decade of wage stagnation We have a housing crisis and NHS that's breaking point. We have 10 years to solve the climate crisis and labor's manifesto Is not just a vision for a better future It's a blueprint as to how we can come together as a society In order to like build a new world It's on the level of kind of the kind of social vision That brought us that post 1945 moment that has brought us any of those moments where like we as a as a country as a labor movement have come together in order to like Deal with a challenge or or build something new out of the the rubble of disasters that capitalism has created And that is an incredibly exciting thing to be a part of Wow, you're cure for a cold and your inspirational message cure for a cold Chili any sort of form? Oh, that's a good idea if you want it in Jalof rice you want it in a curry Um, I don't know you you you want it in your oxtail. It just needs to be as hot as possible and you add extra then Honey, ginger and lemon just before you go to sleep and then wake up in the morning and add the chili again to whatever it is You're eating and you'll be fine. I'm gonna have chili and garlic tonight. I'm excited Also, don't make it taste nice. This is my thing for a cold because you know people's like a little bit of ginger A little bit of lemon I think you chop up a whole big root of ginger boil it for like an hour and then it's so spicy that you sort of like That you put honey and lemon in it Actually like ginger If anything tastes sort of like mild it's no good for a cold But in any case your inspirational message now, um, that is that is all absolutely possible and that that's simple and we've been Kind of conditioned to believe that we can only almost have a certain amount and I think that's Unfair we are all deserving of you know a kind of better future and the plans that labor have Are to just give people just very very basic and decent Um, right and it's it's not it's not impossible. Don't believe the hype. Don't believe the lies We can deliver this. Um, but we're only going to do it if people turn out and vote labor on December the 12th Thank you both very much. Thanks so much for having us. Thank you. I'm sorry. I was so useless. No, you were fabulous You're both fabulous. Thank you. Grace Blakely superstar economist Belrobero adi next mp4. It's threaten If elected, sorry I've been Michael walk. You've been watching tisky sour Thank you to our producers James and Tony We will see you actually Aaron's going to see you tomorrow night. I will see you on Thursday for election So will I grace will also be here for election slush. Do you want to come along for election session? You won't be very far away Well, it's going to be election session election says going to be from 9 30 to half 4 a.m I will ask my people. Yeah ask your people We will see you well Aaron will see you tomorrow. I will see you on Thursday. Good night