 Hello So lightning talks begin so I give you the order and you can change it and nobody sent us PDF So we will branch ourselves and oh you did it. They told me they told me you did not so we will find yours They just told me nobody did so please send it to my email or Or branch your computer Okay, so I give you the order. It's Jean-Jacques Bruckeur the first one then it's Judith Then normally it's Thomas But we'll see Then it's Martin who will talk about oh memo the big fish in Debian bowl Cyril will talk about Luxe encryption again Then we have Sylvain who will talk about the L'er rencontre d'économique which is a funny thing, but not only funny that takes place here in Exxon Provence it is it's a you will see it's surprise and Maybe we have two other talks. We'll see if they decide themselves Okay, so let's begin with Jean-Jacques Bruckeur It's all right So yes, so I'm Jean-Jacques Bruckeur and my company is doing You see a soft kind of stuff across some machine and we are running the Debian-Bazette distribution customizer distribution and So we like open source and we sometimes and we already contribute to some to some someone Yes, sorry Mmm, so times ago we have to to manage our Our part of machine on the on the customers We have two software to do this and then I will present you a software. We are agreed to to liberate And truly so what is this software? It's a very lightweight Sorry, I don't use to I don't use to not touch my My Not not really, but it's difficult to make the control shift with only one hand, you know So yes, we have I have we have Produced a little light where so to have we are ready to distribute This software is you Yes, so I just ready the main page is here And we do not know about under the only the only is kind of software do this stuff We know at the time was a spacewalk and it was a two-way for us so So it's a little It's a little software that overlay APT to Yes To to to automatically Get the configuration we decided on our infrastructure for the customer and for our for our devil or devil machine So that's here are the main command we use for example And We have also some nice feature like the check and fix we use that startup which very useful example when you There is a poor cut during an upgrade a check it to continue the installation and you go back And it's very comparing to to the configuration so no, I know unseable and I should know it before maybe I did not Make this software if I know it before but it's very light lighter than Than spice than unseable You we will use it I will show you by the demo So here on my machine Yes, very few very few configuration option there is a lot some more we can do only by config config files and The main main things is a server a cat a server and a identifier and things are very simple I will show you the cat a servers. We could be any things anywhere it should be also on the So here are your repository or one of our repository we are using where pro pro we are using so different repository with some DB and me worth and Some of our package that overlay what is in the band mirrors. So we have we say Gaussian is a package That may that some some are only no distribution and some have the repackaged But we don't like we avoid to do this because it's it's kind of fork and we have to maintain it And we don't necessarily have the resource to to to maintain it So What's the server do is just here in UID, you know that that's some configuration from our for development a product and if for example if I go and This thing a product like this No, that's quite quite simple. This is no extra extra file. I Yes, and There is a list of package. We are check and should be a new distribution just and this is on the same savers and the cat a but this is a This could be anywhere else It could be on the local machines It could be just a configuration to have a list of package and there is some other extra You see I use the extra command in the Debian source list to to make extra Extradirective to my to my software There are you can also download extra packages and there is some you see there are soft types There is often to the prints because between in the field are you are we I could check from signature from what package I Are received to check them so and and No, that's That's not what I wanted So if I do There is completion I could also list to my package configuration available from for us So you see I can switch my distribution to a configuration to report configuration To an iso because you somewhere is always Lucky because iso use a report like Debian You can switch it to to an iso to get on an all-version to debug to debug an all-version of predicted software and I can switch easily For example for doing the testing to the Product development. Yes, and there is so authentication because To to get a source list and a customer source list with extra information We call it a note because of some some on production some machine cannot Cannot to get an identifier they are forbidden to do it so So it's only yes, there is no No question asked because it should run on it should run on production machine and because somewhere my colleagues Although don't like to have question don't know how to how to response they are not they've been an instructor and they Maybe some of them don't use the Debian only to to To develop and another Or maybe I would cancel We can sell it because it's Don't have the same If I do a check here, maybe I should I think it's It's broken and the check and fix will very fix it. We continue the installation One minute. Okay No. Yes, you see The Package the meta package that specify your configuration is installed, but some package are You see I need to check and fix we fix this so things you Don't have something So it's such kind of feature. I would like maybe to have in apete I don't know if I don't have no if there exist no knows you don't know if Can such kind of feature is this and with apete and it could be fine to have such features on For further It's all right. Any question Thank you We had a lot of fun with it talking about You are in a DD procedure to become a DD or no Yes, but we had fun talking about that so I Give you fine Yeah, okay first. I wanted to oh Sorry Yeah, first. I wanted to read the dfc, but Anyone is able to recite this anyway So I will read from the Deben constitution. I Will just jump right to the general rules First nothing in this constitution imposes an obligation on anyone to do work for the project a Person who does not want to do a task which has been assigned or delegated to them Does not need to do it It's quite pretty cool if you're part of the video team and don't feel like operating the camera. You just can leave or If you are a treasurer and don't like to do account accounting work, you neither need to do it Okay, this is boring boring boring. Oh This is good. Okay. It's just interesting if you are the DPL. So if one of you is the DPL there should listen The leader cannot appoint himself as their own delegate. So if you did this is against the Constitution and Third one a person may leave the project. That's really true. So if you become DD This doesn't mean you sign a contract with the devil or Resigned from a particle of post they hold at any time by stating so publicly This is what I'm doing now. I Accepted the task to hold this lightning talk, but I don't want to do it and I'm stating so publicly. Thank you Yes, you do Okay, because it's election day Tomas Koch will talk about that I think Yes, yes, take your time we can discuss Constitution sure Yes, do you have the VGA cable? I found one person who has X monad as a window manager and I do it's the first time I meet someone Yeah, that's true. Is there somebody else who uses X monad? Oh I've never been in a room with three people using X monad That's why it doesn't not work We can try with my computer it's X monad also Okay We apologize for the brief delay we are currently experiencing technical issues. Oh, he's found something What have you found? Meanwhile, why not explore our duty-free offerings which you can find in the magazine the seat back in front of you Operators will be standing by Video team is indeed working hard to resolve the issue after we reach our cruising altitude Our flight attendants will be coming through the aisle offering Mostly gin very little tonic Maybe we might be able to scare up some fruit We don't really know in the meanwhile. Please relax Remind yourself of the paper bag is also in the seat in the seat back pocket Are you ready? No, still not ready Oh There we are Just a moment, please. Oh, thank you. Okay Today is election day in the European Union. So it's about election democracy European Union I'm THK at WN dot org required history knowledge for citizens Disclaimer, I will hurt any feelings or previous knowledge. You might be disturbed. I'm sorry for that I can't help it. So I'm in France. I'm a German. Sorry if I say anything about France as a German here, but as Wikipedia says liberty liberty egalité fraternité was only one motto among others and Only later it was it became the official motto So they rewrote history and this is what I learned in school in my history class and only when I was in Moscow in a history museum. They told me no, this was not true and then I also learned that the Declaration of Rights the first one Has a big stamp on property. That's the important stuff now that people actually Have the right to own something and that it's not a foidal system anymore Where with your property also comes responsibility property is now the important thing So next in history the USA It has been found out Surprisingly that it is not a democracy and it can be measured. They took 1779 policy issues over two decades and measured how many of those issues were decided in the sense of the majority or for those rich people and surprise it was always most of the time decided for the rich people not for the majority and There you can find YouTube talks from Michael G. Clamann And his book of course who explains how the US Constitution became the way it is and it was designed especially to not be democratic but to protect the rich and powerful people from the will of the majority but to hide it and Yeah, what else my father always told me democracy is the best thing that could ever be invented Which is a lie because people thought about a council's Republic also in Wikipedia called Soviet Republic to make it sound scary and Important things are you have an imperative mandate people you sent out you tell them how they should decide and You can recall them at any point in time if you lose trust in them and And yeah, this has been tried in history. It has been tried in Paris. It has been shut down by the press I'm sorry for that. It has been tried again after World War one's in Munich it has been shot down by social Democrats and It has been tried many more times and all of them has been shot down And and I have learned about none of these events in history class, but you can still look them on up in Wikipedia You only need to know about them The other thing you could try is direct democracy It is present in some of the constitutions of our lender of our 60 lenders in Germany But not in the constitution in the Grundgesetz of the Federal Republic of Germany because they were afraid that the Germans could vote to unite with East Germany and Become too democratic. Yeah, and the current we don't have a constitution in Germany because our Grundgesetz Said we should get a Constitution voted on by a whole of Germany once we unite this hasn't happened in 1990 and so We have something that is not foreseen by the fathers of the Grundgesetz and yeah, I learned in Politics that you should separate legislative executive and judiciary powers to get a real democratic system That are the people you can look up for that the philosophers And in the European Union, we don't have that The European Parliament has no right of initiative It can not say we want this bill To be voted on only the European Commission can say you Parliament vote on this bill and The Parliament can only ask the Commission Please please would you be so kind to let us vote on something and the Commission says no we don't know what says The Commission is not elected democracy Democratic it is Appointed by the governments of the states of the European Union. Yes, that means you vote a government You want a Parliament the Parliament votes a government the government appoints a Commission and the Commission then Says writes the bills that the Parliament that you vote today on can Yeah, this is so much indirection. It has nothing to do with democracy Yeah The fastest explanation of capitalism. It's a private ownership of means to produce goods the private ownership of Media the private ownership of essential infrastructure and the European Union has been Designed to protect capitalism and to make sure that none of the countries of Europe will ever become anything else but Capitalistic and it does so by guaranteeing the free movement of goods to avoid local laws the free movement of capital to avoid local taxation the free movement of services to avoid us Creating unions so that you can always have work being done by somebody else and the free movement of persons so that we can always get the cheapest Romanians or bulgarians pulling down our salaries and Yeah, any hope after this I have I like the yellow Wests what I read about them in Germany We have Fridays for future which is also rather strong in Germany and They had 320,000 people on the street yesterday We have this rebellion Extinction rebellion movement. We have developers for future if you're interested in that and The the Fridays for future call For a general strike in the whole world on September 20th to get us away from Climate crisis and our current trajectory Two minutes left for questions It's possible to have the first slide Second yeah, okay, don't send us to any secret service. Okay, then yeah Happy voting, okay, so surprise talk By Rafael Herzog who will maybe talk about the way of elections the way elections go in Debian Which is a condorsing methods. I think No, this one is for me I was hoping that Thomas would speak a bit about How we elect people in Debian, but he did not so I'm going to try to Explain it a bit, but first I will explain why it's important to know how we do it in Debian because at least in France we have a good system where the biggest minority is always winning and Since the biggest minority are always annoying people We always have to vote for something uninteresting, you know in France we elect Well, we have many candidates at the first round and so many people with the same ideas But since they are different people and can't agree together They go in separate candidates and then the votes are spread over many Candidates, but only the two better Candidates have the right to go to the second round and on second round you only have to choose between two unfortunately the two biggest minorities tends to be well racist people and extremists and otherwise Well kind of people that I don't like so I have to vote between two bad choice Nowadays, we have computers, we have good systems, we have intelligent people and there are better ways to elect people But we don't use them I will present you at least two ways to elect people First one is what you use in Debian. It's called the Condorcet method. It's relatively easy to understand, not so easy to Make the count at the end of the election So basically you have all your candidates and you rank them. This is my preferred and my second choice, third choice You can have multiple choice ranked at the same level Sometimes your four candidates you don't know you put them last but at least you don't make any preference between them because you have no real preference And to find out the winner you make comparison two by two So you go over all the votes and you check how many times this Choice this candidate was ranked above the other one Ideally, there's one candidate who is above all the others and usually that's the case But usually that candidate is Possibly or likely not the preferred choice of Well, it might be more the second choice of many people instead of the first choice of Few if you see what I mean The candidate will be more consensual. It will be less extremist. It will be a mix of Many views usually So this is a good system unfortunately, there are a few exceptions where you don't have any clear winner you can have Candidate I is preferred of a candidate be with preferred of a candidate C who is preferred over candidate a a again, so it's a loop. So there are special rules to to Resolve those tie And here comes into play the how many times you were ranked number one or two And those figures will count to find out who is who will win the election between this tie Recently for the presidential election in France, I Participate participated to something which is called La primaire dot org. So it's primary election. The idea was to have many Candidates and but not politicians individuals like you and me And They wanted to select one among all those to represent the people and not political parties that we all know and And they use the new voting system Where well, it's quite similar because you evaluate all the candidates But you give a sort of mark This one is very good. This one is good. This one is middle. This one bad and this one is really bad and In this situation the one Which wins is the one who has the better mark when you count Obviously everybody has I've been ranked by everybody but you count only many percent of the Voters have given you well you start from the bottom. So very bad. You have 10 percent for example then Bad 20 percent you are 30 and then you have a good as 25 or 55 percent when you cross the 50 percent mark is your Is your final mark if you want in these guys you are middle or good candidate and The candidate with a better mark is the one wins and if two candidates have the same mark then you look at the Precise person percentage that you got It's similar in spirit, but it's easier to maybe explain because well, you just have to say what you think about each candidate But it at the end it comes close to ranking all the candidates in this experiment There are so many candidates that well, there are two rounds Usually you don't need that if you rank everybody, but when you have too many candidates you can't rank everybody so what they did is that we were All voters were given a subset of all the candidates and we had to evaluate a subset and then they put this together and We identified a few winners from the from the first round and then the second round we had to Vote only among the winners of the first round so I invite you to Think about this but on a personal level my number one criteria for Deciding who I am going to vote for is are they willing to change the rule because the rules are broken And I really want something else. That's my first criteria and I invite you to use the same criteria Because well, we need to change the situation Thank you And if you need a second criteria I would go for basic income if you know about it, but maybe someone else can present this in the next lighting talk Thank you If you want more information about these kind of systems on YouTube, you can find CGP gray It's a channel with it's done a few very good videos explaining those voting system with the good and bad aspects of everyone So it's each one. It's very very interesting CGP gray like the color. Yeah there's also a French YouTube channel, I think it's science explain to cats statistics explain to cats with interesting case where you Well, he took a special case where we He tried different methods and you get a different result for each Voting system is interesting to know the limits of all the systems In France, it's the statistic explainer Moschal So are there other questions? So now it's Yes It's really ready for ten minutes. Yes Hi everyone, I'm going to talk about Luxe Luxe and Luxe to our basically that's about encryption It was a bit mentioned in the talk yesterday about hardening the Odebian installation We mentioned equipped and I'm going to talk about another technology, which is Luxe Luxe is basically Linux unified key setup It's a bit abstract, but basically that's Make it possible to work on containers that are fully encrypted We work on a block device level, which means basically that we are working on a disk or partition But not on specific file systems We are going to create What is called a container and then we are going to use these Decrypted container as a file system and then we can use LVM or XFS or VFAT or whatever you like That basically makes it possible to have encryption on a full disk, which is great Here is a screenshot from the Debian installer running in graphical mode when you ask how you want to partition your disk By default, we go for the very first century, which is guided partitioning using the entire disk It's also possible to use the entire disk, but to set up LVM so that you can resize your partitions and The third option is to use the entire disk use LVM But with encryption underneath that means that first you set up or you Debian install others The encryption layer is set up and then we have the LVM System which is set up on top of it and then one or several partitions are going to be set up with appropriate file systems This is great We can check what's happening when we Want to boot such a system once it has been installed Oh, I'm sorry about that so my system is booting and right after Grub has had its usual timeout and booting the Linux kernel We then run the init-ramfs, which is a bunch of scripts and Linux kernel modules and so on That sets up the whole file system mounts everything we need to finalize the the boot process and then I'm asked for the passphrase to unlock the the encrypted container that I mentioned before and After a while because there are many security stuff related Operation going on and so on The but the container is unlocked. We access the five systems and we can finish the boot sequence and We finally reach the usual screen. So everything is great The talk is already over or something like that. No Because it's not really full disk encryption due to previous limitations in bootloaders It was not possible to have the bootloader Decrypt all the files it needed to boot like the Linux kernel the init-ramfs and so on So historically we've been using a separate slash boot partition when we use encrypted LVM this is a screen with Geparded looking at the the disk image I'm using for this demonstration and you can notice that the first part is separate that's our Slashboot partition and the second one is what is being used as the luxe container So when you unlock the container, that's the second part and the first one is in plain text So anybody can look at your kernel In it from FS bootloader configuration and so on. So it's not really that great And then if you look at the the small tree The second partition so number two is extended it contains luxe container, which itself is used as a Physical volume for LVM which is then split into several bits and pieces But you can't see that in Geparded because it's encrypted anyway So that was for the bad news But then good news It's actually possible to reach full disk encryption because for quite a number of releases I'm not sure exactly when it started, but nobody worked on Implementing that into the eye But grab does know about crypto disk it can deal with luxe on linux and jelly on free BSE And As I said, it's not really new But nobody worked on integrating that into Debian installer and Debian installer is really making very hard for you Not to have a separate boot partition So you need to maybe use proceed to work around all the checks We have to actually make sure you have a separate boot partition, but We can hack hack hack I'm going to let down the mic for a moment because I've got a series of commands to run But basically what I'm doing is That would be extra great Thank you So I'm going back. I'm going back to my To my virtual machine I turned it off because I'm a bit with brainless I unlock The partition it boots I Login I'm going to copy the whole Slash boot directory. So it's living on a separate partition I'm going to make a copy on The root file system under different names so that it stays around So boot.new when I'm unmounting the file system So at this point Slash boot is empty. I'm going to remove the moon the moon the moon point and Move back the copy into place it just to make sure I'm not Doing wrong stuff with File permission and so on And then I make sure that I command or completely delete The moon point in fs tab so that we are going we are no longer going to use slash boot from the plain text first partition. We are going to use the copy we made inside the The root file system. So I'm getting rid of this separate moon points and The trick here is to configure a new variable in I'm not sure whether that's Hopefully that's readable I'm going to set an extra variable which is grub enable crypto disk equals why for yes, I'm going to Update grub's configuration just to make sure so with update grub But the critical part is running grub install on dev SDA so that in reinstalls all the bits and pieces it needs Okay, I'm going to move that up a bit Is it but not quite? It's tricky with VMs. So basically that was update grub and then grow install Those commands I run anyway when you install a new kernel and so on but I'm making extra sure that My latest modifications are taken into consideration and then rebooting Now that's grub asking me for pathways and no longer grub or the kernel or the initrum FS It's really the bootloader You have to be careful to type your pathways in quality and not your regular Layout which can be tricky if you have accents or whatever now grub is loading and then Loading linux and then the initrum FS because I didn't know any more advanced tricks is asking me for the pathways again But the partition is already unlocked. So you can just type the pathways again with your regular layout and tada So you it is possible to have for this encryption But if you look at a buster, it's no longer possible because we switch to lux to which is a different format I'm really short on time. But basically we've got to deal with My computer no longer wants to show you more slides. So anyway, it comes with Jason in addition to binary errors So it's a bit scary, but I'm managing and hopefully in a few weeks We should have something in grub at least for people to try if they are so crazy to do so. Thank you so much We can take questions at the end or during the during marketing Do you have questions? So the question is no, where is the code which does the decryption? So in in UFI systems. Yeah, I could guess in the EFI partition you could have a lot more codes that can do that but on MBR system does it work on MBR system? It seems to be according to the G-parted screenshot. It was that That works on MBR systems without any Tricks because probably grub is smart enough to stash all the bits and pieces it needs at the right place on EFI systems We might run into issues with bootloader needing more space But then you don't have necessarily stuff into the ESP so the system partition for EFI systems But you've got another Small partition that is really recommended especially by grub developers. That's called BIOS boot partition They recommend at least 64 kilobytes, but usually I use just one megabyte just to be extra sure and Then the grub has some extra space to put bits and pieces it would need to Access stuff because it it wouldn't fit into the the small areas that we have in EFI systems So it's already taken into account on EFI systems with the BIOS boot partition And on MBR systems, is everything on the first sectors of the disk? Everything can fit really? I'm really not sure where it fits, but it does and I'm working on adding some more code and I'm hoping it won't overflow and that was one of the big challenges adding some JSON library and thankfully there are some other Implementation using C macros so that works better is ready. Thank you So you're just Now that like the init SF RAM is encrypted grub isn't so you're moving the the point of attack to Modifying the grub code if somebody accesses your code So then the solution would be to use something like heads for the that uses the the TPM chip To see if grub has been modified or not, right? I guess with secure boots you get You're sure that grub wasn't modified because there's a signature on it anyway Okay, but that for for that you need to have a chip that supports that kind of stuff. Yeah I'm not going to pretend. I know anything about security. It was like people getting upset. Oh, we can't do that anymore Oh, why? Oh, it's bad But yeah, I want to fix stuff The the model the attack model is not really any part of With which I'm comfortable anyway So people will know Okay now a very short and non-technical talk I Promised 192 seconds, which depends on your questions. So Anybody Uses probably Android phones apart from me and some of you are using conversations as a chat program and Some of us managed to get our parents and And other familiar to use XMPP that way so That's mainly Because everybody loves end-to-end encryption and there's Omeymo, which is the modern style of encryption for XMPP or Java And the nice thing about it. It's mainly it works with multiple devices Including your own multi devices multiple devices other people's multiple devices and it only it also works if The other person is offline, which was very important, which was not possible with OTR and The Omeymo algorithm and the technology is taken from signal, which probably most of you know In Debbie and nine we have exactly one client supporting Omeymo, which is Gatsham Nice, but not everybody wants to use Gatsham. It's a little bit more technical Unfortunately in Debbie and ten there are more clients to choose from Apart from Gatsham. There's dyno, which looks a little bit like conversations only for the desktop. There's C plus Yeah, also an older client there's salutatois Which has a command line and a console client and now in Experimental there's also the latest profanity version a console client to which does support Omeymo Now we need your help mainly document stuff Package things there is still Some stuff for Omeymo to package for example support for Pitchin or for Chetty the client for for the Libram 5 phone You can do screenshots you can do tests especially with Omeymo sometimes one-to-one works But group chat does not work or other problems please test this and report bugs try things and Yeah, you find more information on our Wiki, that's it any questions Just as a note the version 4 of OTR should support multiple devices and offline messaging But I don't know how how much the process is Advanced before actual usability in white scale. I I heard also about it, but I'm I'm not an expert on this Yeah, let's hope it will work other questions just Sorry What is required on XMPP servers to support this The one specifically ones packaged in Debian. Yeah On the server side everything is there and the server only needs to support pet which is a Standard that exists in a long time. So practically all more or less modern prosody or each other the Installations do support Omeymo. Well, so there's not much to do Okay Next one Next one is silver and we also have a last one after silver and that's all Do you hear me? Okay, so first huge thanks to the video team for having the display ports adapter that that was life-saving so It will be in English. This is a recycling of a talk Made in a French event and I'm just recycling my part and I will tell you in English and we'll see how it goes So the name of the talks in in French was pay ton logiciel libre Pay your Libre software so at this part we were Say well some we could think it will never work. Nobody will give but actually in other In all the fields There is hope for example in video channels due to changing the dominant Business models about the rules especially in YouTube many wanted to get out of dependencies of publicity and there is on a huge proprietary platform Name patreon which is quite popular There are more than 600 channels which get At least 2000 us dollar per month and about podcast I found that there are more than 500 channels that get more than $200 per month. So this is working direct remuneration Recurring payment is something that is working in other fields But the caveat is that often there are counterparts bonus content so not open access but The most of the time is that but about Libre software. There's no there's no direct counterpart. So what can we do to compensate? transparency to see that What we are actually contributing to that we are not alone to reassure due because they could be Suspicion and what can help it would be a progress bar to see that yes We are going to this goal which we can can pay something something something part-time salary full-time salary including Health insurance All the all the stuff that and also the amounts are usually bigger that we can see because it's the raw salary That what the company have to pay so we should not be Offended and seeing someone of five hundred Five thousand dollars per month. That's a lot not actually actually in many countries That's what you have to pay to have everything Covered for someone so one example is the platform this route which Have a report when we can see the expense and What is happening? Okay? And you can see that Expense Incomes and then you see that in the end they're even donating to upstream projects another one is no the new which is For hosting tor servers this route with hosting email is a provider of email and cloud and and also online services We can see that there are progress bar and they say If we have more than this we will open a new relay if you're less than this we have to close the relay So it's it's a material But you you still can have this feel that you get something when you don't and this is important to motivating to To donate to this project Another project is fun quail and you can see that yeah, we want to fund the deaf salary and As I use the platform open collective for doing this project which is like masterdom for music and So I'm going back to the slides which is Somewhere Okay So now I want to finance it's not about donation. It's not about charities about buying our software even it's indirect It's it's it's a non. It's a non-mandatory payment Which can be at a At pay what you want and you can pay after using the software as a consumer This is a dream. We should we should be wanting to have everything that's more with this model So when there are software we are which are working like this We should be giving our money in priority to them. Otherwise Advertising the anything one model will triumph the proprietary model will win So now we want to give I'm throwing money a screen and nothing happens. What can I do several platform libera pay which Which you can see you you you have you have teams You have organizations You have individuals And and you can then say I want to I want to to to give I want to give money to every every every month gives that amount of money and a very interesting thing is that such stem about pledge and And Then you can say okay. Let's encrypt is not there But I pledge to the people who possed the account let's encrypt on Twitter if they joined the platform It will automatically will activate the 42 pledges of these people. So that's also a way to having to an instant type for for people to donate and that would be a way to Is that they be and yes, there is devian the github account another platform is Open collective that we are that we have seen with We've Funk whale the good thing is that you can also submit invoices. So there is a lot. It's a system of transparency where You can you submit invoices. They are published. You see who gets the money for what so to build interest again. This is important and Bontis of salt it's like it's like it's similar to libera pay libera pay and bontis on salt and Open collective are Libre even on the server side What else Why a transfers we don't think about that but actually where transfers there is no fee So if you don't like visa mastercard and people you can you can avoid these payment processors by If you are in the same country or in example in the European Union You can do without fees give some money to project if they publish their Bank account details you can set up a monthly or yearly donation and it will work So another That's that's another option last up Last option is patron, which is quite popular even a bit amount Libre software and About so when we start to find Our favorite spojettin gives them that there is on this wonderful proprietary forge a project which is a directory about About recurring fund raisings and they are on various platforms. There's not only patreon and this is there you can go and And give This is how you can first see which project and interest me so in the future snowdrift gank Dot co-hop hopefully will manage to launch. They have a very interesting model The mechanic is very interesting And I command you to read the website and the wiki is a goldmine About all the crowdfunding and general so the philosophy is awesome Yeah, I show this so conclusion so finance and pay your free software even if your global budget is 1 euro by month Everyone should at least find one Europe amount to Pay for the Libre software with it's a big project with this a small project if everyone donates Many projects we get funding we we don't have yet the issue That's only few projects get a lot of money. Don't worry about that. Just donate to what you like so Thanks a lot. That was a presentation done with Friends Ed Anano and Emanuel Reva and we made a website pay ton logisiel Libre dot e you Where we put the slide and resources about that. So Thanks No time. Okay, so last lightning talk if we succeed to make it work in no Okay, no time. We are sorry the video team has to pack So sorry Sylvain Thank you everyone and thank you to the video team and sorry for the ten minutes of lateness