 from Palo Alto. It's theCUBE, covering Women Transforming Technology 2017, brought to you by VMware. Hey, welcome back, everybody. Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We're wrapping up a full day here at the VMware headquarters. I always want to say VMworld and not VMware. For the Women Transforming Technology Conference, been a fantastic day. Kicked off by Kara Swisher, wrapped up by Gloria Steinman in a whole lot of interesting sessions and topics in between, and really happy to have Rebecca Knight hosting all day. Thank you, Rebecca, for carrying the freight. It's been great. It's been a lot of fun. So I want to kind of turn the table. You've been doing all the interviews all day. And in an interview, you kind of, you know, you live in Boston, so you're not out here all the time. Kind of what is your perspective? A lot of conversation of kind of the Silicon Valley bubble and the Silicon Valley point of view, but it doesn't necessarily represent every place. It's a unique little spot on the world. So what's been your take on that piece of the interviews today? I think that that is exactly what I've been thinking about. As an East Coaster, I mean, I live in Boston. I don't live in Nowheresville. I mean, but it's also a center of innovation and technological change, particularly Cambridge. But there is this real special magic about Silicon Valley, and yet Silicon Valley also believes, it drinks its own Kool-Aid, and so it has its own feeling of specialness too. So it's interesting to be here and watch it all happen. Now, other areas that you cover when you're not hosting theCUBE is management and leadership. And obviously, Boston is a hotbed of academe. I think what, Harvard was, I think, the first college set up in the United States. So when you look at some of the issues, there's a lot of topic today on Uber, what's going on at Uber and some of the kind of overt sexism, if you will. When you look at kind of leadership and the study of leadership and management, what are some of the things that you're seeing that are kind of new and innovative? You would think it's 2017 for God's sake. You'd think we'd be past some of these sophomoric issues, but we're not, not by a long shot. It is very depressing, I'm going to be honest. And I think particularly with leadership right now, I write a column for Harvard Business Review and Harvard Business School is teaching the next generation how to be leaders, how to be responsible and be the next captains of industry. And yet in Washington, we have this real example of how not to do it. In the sense of not listen to experts, not take other people's perspectives, not be willing to collaborate and listen really. Right, right, but by the same token, I mean one of Keras themes was many of the great entrepreneurs that are driving innovation and we hear it from stories of jobs all the time. They don't collaborate and they don't kind of toe the line and they do break glass and break barriers because they think differently not to steal directly from that line. But so it's an interesting kind of juxtaposition of maintaining individuality, yet you also have to operate in the world in which we live. Yes, and I think that that, exactly, yes. Those are very successful people tend to have that kind of driving personality. And yet the other part of Kera's speech was talking about the virtues of graciousness and how that really can also be a powerful part of leadership. Right, so as the study of management evolves, kind of how do you see that changing over time? You've been at it for a while. I mean is it kind of more of the same? Is it fundamentally different what they're teaching in schools or as we study leadership? I'm always struck by, you know, we don't spend more time kind of studying, you know, the Marines of Parris Island. I mean they teach young kids that are, you know, 18 years old, 19 years old, they turn into 23 year old leaders that are, you know, sending people to their deaths for the cause of the greater good that their, you know, objectives are trying to achieve. It's fascinating to me that, you know, we don't draw kind of more leadership studies from a broader range of perspectives or am I just missing the point? No, and I think you're absolutely right. In talking about the military and talking about war time, I mean those are high pressurized situations where it's not just, oh, we're not going to make our numbers this quarter. My platoon is going, I'm sending them into their death. If this doesn't work out the way I've strategized. So no, I think that they're, I think that increasingly business schools are trying to take lessons from other parts of the military, for example, and also using philosophy and art. Design thinking is another hot thing at business schools right now. Trying to take other disciplines and finding the best bits and what they can apply in terms of how you run your business. It's interesting the whole design thinking cause that's a, that's getting a rebirth at Stanford. At Stanford, exactly, the D-School, yeah. It's funny, we interviewed Dan Gordon from Gordon Beers Brewery who was introducing a new Apple, a malted Apple beverage and he had this gal that worked at, or was from Stanford, played softball at Stanford and they were doing this design thinking and they just had a white label. And apparently you just go out and you go meet people and you show the white label and you see how the whole thing shapes out. So there does continue to be this kind of evolution. No, it's absolutely true. So biggest surprises of the day. Biggest surprises of the day. I mean, I just, I first of all just want to congratulate VMware of choosing Gloria Steinem to be the keynote close. Like I said, I think that that was just such a bold choice and unexpected choice. Yes, it's a women's conference but she is a, she's a real feminist icon. So I think it was, I just, I'm so proud to be here and listen to Gloria. And how about some of your favorite moments from a few of the interviews? So many great interviews. Yambin Lee, really an energetic presence and she just had a lot of interesting things to say about mixing sort of her personality, her role as a mother and her role as a leader and technologist. I think that was great. I loved listening to Nicola Aikut talk about how she uses design thinking to devise a sustainability strategy here at VMware and Lily Chang talking about her childhood in Taiwan, the daughter of a mother who had to fight for everything including an education for Lily and now what she does here in the office of the CTO at VMware. So so many great women. Yeah, that's really my favorite part of theCUBE is we get to talk to so many people for whatever reason there just isn't necessarily a format for them to sit down and really tell their story. They're all terrific stories. Well, Rebecca, I want to thank you again for making the big trip. It was great. It was great. I love it. I love this place. And we look forward to many more events with you as we get deeper into 2017 conference season which is going to be crazy, by the way. All right, well, thanks again, Rebecca. She's Rebecca Knight. I'm Jeff Rick. You're watching theCUBE from VMware headquarters at the Women Transforming Technology Conference. Thanks for watching.