 Boom, what's up fam Anthony Johnson today a founder 21 studios 21 convention 22 convention 21 University and co-founder of the red man group Here's episode 143 of the red man group with returning special guests Janice Fiemen go the beautiful the amazing and extremely savage I call it the anti-feminist champion Anti-feminist queen of the world because she's so savage and she's also the only woman. I've ever allowed on the red man group I'm actually sharing my man card with her to bring on the show today. It's very dangerous actually for me to do that But I'm happy to do it because her defensive men and advocacy for men and antagonism and combating of feminism is really amazing and profound and Savage and sincere. I have great respect for and without further ado welcome Janice Fiemen go professor Janice Fiemen go back to the red man group Janice welcome back Anthony I think we should end the interview right there because there's no way that I can't disappoint after that introduction I've never had such a great introduction I have I have full confidence in you. I'm very happy to have you back Janice. It's a pleasure Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me on and thank you for that very very kind and generous introduction You're welcome. So welcome back to the show. It's been about a year since you went on We were talking behind the scenes. You're on here right before COVID hit last year Yeah, and we had our 15 minutes of fame make woman great again when viral I have make one woman wives again on today I'm on a new role these hats out like 30 of them now. I just keep making up new ones. I can't stop It's my masculine my male privilege, you know, it gets me the creativity. I'll be slightly yes That testosterone But before we get into further into show, you know, you're on her last year But the channel has grown a lot since then probably like 80,000 followers or something So for the fans who don't know you and didn't see you last year What's your background? Who are you and like who is Janice Fiemen go for them to know more about you? Yeah, I taught English at the University of Saskatchewan and the University of Ottawa for 20 years and I retired in 2019 because I wanted to get out of the culture of woke And it was really I mean when I was a graduate student studying English literature, which involves always a very heavy dose of intersectional feminist theory as well as Marxist post-colonial and Eco-critical theories all of which attack the West as the source of all evil in the world and of course attack patriarchy and portray women and people of color and various so-called others as innocent victims of white You know white supremacist oppressive power So, you know, I was pretty much indoctrinated into that worldview by the time I was in my late 20s Finishing up my PhD. I found it Kind of exhilarating theory, even though it didn't correspond to anything in my life You know, I had never been a victim of anything and I had encountered nothing but encouragement and you know wise and compassionate Mentorship from the various men that I worked with and worked under and and but you know the The theory of victim hood of innocent victim victim hood is I think a very dangerous one because it It it fills the believer with an ecstatic Conviction of righteousness and also of course, it's a very powerful position in that it enables one to make pronouncements that other people cannot contradict without being called out as Enablers of systemic oppression. So anyway, you know, I found it Attractive and you know, I'm sorry. I'm actually embarrassed to admit that now that in my late 20s as a full adult You know doing higher education. I bought into such a crude and reductive theory of To interject a little bit So if I'm understanding you correctly, so victim culture was already taking really strong in the 1990s up in Canada Oh, absolutely. And I think we are wrong to assume that this is a recent thing I've just recently re-reading a book that was published in 1998. It's by a guy named Martin Loney and it's called The creation now I'm gonna forget the I've got it sitting on my desk the pursuit of Division and it the subtitle is racial and gender preference and it is about how racial and gender preference were instituted in hiring in promotion in scholarships and university admission all you know all sorts of things all across the board starting in the 1970s and 1980s so that by the early 1990s the the system of preference and the Entire grievance industry that goes along with it was already fully in place. So this has been Happening there have been people paid to push this narrative for at least 30 to 40 years in North American society and so I encountered that and Yeah, I thought well, it must be at least partially true because nobody Contradicted it amongst the very intelligent and seeming seemingly reasonable people that I encountered at university So I started my first full-time tenure-track job in 1999 at the University of Saskatchewan Basically believing it I think I was already beginning to find it a bit a bit too radical a bit too hateful because the hatred against men especially against white men But the allegation that all women are innocent victims of male sexual predation and brutality You know it that's very strong in the theory and even I could see that that simply wasn't true But as soon as I started teaching it, you know the whole thing like a house of cards collapsed because I could just see that the women In my classes were not innocent victims. They were confident. They were aggressive They were doing better than the men. They outnumbered the men at met in you know by a significant margin At universities all across the country It sounds like around this time you started realizing these claims are really extreme and lacked extreme evidence or even like any evidence Any evidence at all and and that was really the first I mean I think already I was starting to doubt it But as soon as I encountered the young man in my classrooms, I know I just all of a sudden I just had this Quite searing moment of illumination when I thought what it must be like like even if it was true about the past Which I was already starting to doubt Let's say it was true about the past that up until you know the 1960s Women had been very badly treated and had been shut out of all sorts of opportunities Why should young men of 1820 sitting in university classrooms have to hear about the perfidy of their sex Why should they have to pay the price and that was the clear message that they were gonna have to pay the price They would have to step back They would have to let their empowered sisters come forward and take the reins of power and make the world a much better place and I know the alleged the alleged sins of their fathers and grandfathers exactly it was collective vengeance in the most crude and really horrifically brutal malicious envious form and You know so so I yeah I just thought it must be horrific to be those young men who are obviously not privileged Who are a bit abashed who are mostly sitting silent in classroom after classroom listening to all this Nonsense about the sins of their fathers and the terrible things that they had done nothing about the good things that they that they're you know forefathers had done and Yeah, I just at that point I very quickly retreated from it and Became a at least a skeptical feminist in fact I wouldn't even have called myself a feminist already by that point but then it wasn't until quite a bit later on that I began to see the you know, just all of the frenzied protests the anti-male Animus that was spreading all across North American universities I saw the protest against Warren Ferrell's talk in 2012 at the University of Toronto That was the first time I really became aware that The anti-male hatred had become part of an organized movement to actually shut down speakers Now, I'm sure this was happening before in fact, I've read things about the cancellation of various professors You know going well back again into the 1980s and 1990s, but that was the first time I actually saw a speaker brought on campus and not allowed to give his talk He did eventually but you know, he was prevented from speaking for about an hour and a half And there was a you know, it's probably many of your viewers know there was like a band of crazed Feminist chanting shouting swearing at people who are attempting to attend the talk were you and Steve Brulay personally there for this Steve Brulay was personally there. I wasn't there. I didn't know Steve at this point I didn't get to know Steve until the following year and that was when our collaboration began But he was there. It was a what it's a wonderful story really of he just decided to go it was taking place at The University of Toronto. He lived in Kingston, which is just outside of Toronto And so he drove down with his camera equipment and caught it all on film put it up on his YouTube channel And it went viral and so after that he thought he might as well start documenting the craziness of the feminist movement So, um, yeah, and so that was really the beginning then I gave a talk at the University of Toronto in the following spring of 2013 and it also, you know was was it eventually went ahead, but they pulled the fire alarm and You know, they were acting as if I don't know You know as if I was calling for for women to be strung up and or you know have their head shaved and be There are those witches at the stake. Yeah I mean it was really they you know, that was when they started making all these claims about how even the existence of Somebody like me or anybody questioning anything about the intersectional feminist narrative Even the existence of us on campus somehow harmed people and you know made made them vulnerable to violence And we hear that now over and over again when anyone tries to articulate anything even mildly Descenting from the orthodoxy. So yeah, so that was really the beginning of it. And then after that I became Pretty passionately involved in the men's issues movement the anti-feminist movement and speaking out against The lies of feminist theory whenever I could Yeah, that's one of the things I love about you most is that you're anti-feminist You don't try to align yourself with feminism like Christina Hoffsemmers I think called yourself a factual feminist or a rational feminist or something like that There's a few others like that who will provide some pretty pretty good criticism even of feminism But then they still try to like salvage this movement that I view as this completely toxic and negative At this point and has been for a long time. If not from the very beginning like Steve argues Yeah, Steve argues that it was I mean, I would certainly agree with Steve That that it was contaminated from the beginning. This is not to say that there were never egalitarian feminists in the movement, of course there were But it was contaminated by resentment and by a false mythology of the malevolence of of male power And that's there clearly in you know in the Seneca Falls statements back in 1848 if you read the suffragist literature Of the late 19th century early 20th century. It's there everywhere Even those that we think of as the most benevolent sorts of feminists talk about men as the root of all evil There's a woman in Canada named Nellie McClung who says outright, you know, she has slogans like Men make wounds And women bind them up And she campaigned for the vote for women on the idea that when women could vote All wars would cease because war was entirely a male enterprise and that women as mothers and as caregivers and as the I don't know the guardians of compassion and empathy couldn't would never vote for war That just sounds like delusion delusional narcissism is what it sounds like. Yeah, really and and you know, and and she was a Probably the most significant feminist spokesperson Of the first wave movement that we now all look back to as this very reasonable and righteous movement So so I think steve is absolutely right that it was contaminated from the beginning with that kind of envy resentment grievance mongering and by By beginning to be clear for the audience. You don't just mean the 1920s or 1910s. You mean 1840s and 50s and stuff, right? Oh, yes, it's certainly there when you go back to 1848 you can see it there So I mean it's there even earlier if you go back to mary wallston craft in the late 18th century and her She wrote a book called the wrongs of woman in i'm forgetting the exact date I think 1792 and i'm sure you could go even go back even further That was interesting with seeds of that You and pierce morgan were arguing about the origins of feminism and he kept trying to go back to feminism in britain Which preceded even feminism in america? So that was kind of interesting debate, but most people I think would take it back to about seneca falls in most arguments, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, he was talking about the late 19th century early 20th century. I think because he was Um, he was talking mainly about the suffragists those who campaigned for women's right to vote they were an extremely radical sect in the united kingdom and And you know, I was trying to just make the point that even there were many men who couldn't vote at that time So what what what what does that matter jenice? Why does that matter? He was so he was scared of you. I think very legitimately afraid of your knowledge He realized you knew more than him about these issues I mean, I don't know. I I didn't do a good job, but uh, you know, I'm never quick enough in those moments But uh, you know, it's ridiculous to claim that these were the pure feminists who cared only about equality When they never once campaigned for the right of poor men men who didn't own property men who lacked the Qualifications to register as voters and who are being sent off to die On the battlefields of europe at the same very same time that these women were Proclaiming their own victimhood The ironies of that and the fact that many of these same women were involved in the white feather campaign To shame any men that they saw on the streets who appeared to be able bodied And who hadn't signed up for the first world war to fight in the war and to die um, you know the the um, the blood Thirstiness of many of these women and their indifference to male suffering and indeed male death is quite staggering And we still see that today of course women expect to have all the privileges That they see men as having but to bear none of the responsibilities or burdens Yeah, I agree. I wanted to bring up by the way the um, the interview again with pierce morgan here He obviously left, uh, I think he just basically walked off the set not long ago Yeah, but this was this was so much fun. And you know, you said you didn't do that good. I disagree I think you did so good. Here's my opinion my argument that they didn't They refused to even bring you back on camera. That's how terrified they were of you They knew they knew they could attack me with you Then I think he peers personally realized that arguing if he was dangerous It was going to get worse and you're a woman so he can't bash and come after you personally With me, they started doing ad hominin attacks. They had these other these, uh, feminists that were going after me I couldn't even we couldn't even see them. So Yeah, but I think they were terrified of you in a way With me it was combative and fun with you They were like, what do we do with this woman and like was a silencer They basically like sob censored you to keep you out of the argument which on their part was clever. So Well, I don't know. That's that's a generous reading of it. I I thought I was I always in these moments I feel like I'm far too ponderous. I speak too slowly You know, you have to really be able to get your zingers in and so much they just decided You know, I just wasn't interesting enough, but um, you know, you were there with a lot of quick comebacks You know, you mentioned a lot of Uh, the future is female, you know, I remember that you you know, you you went one two three four all these examples Of female like female chauvinism Female moral superiority and I thought that was really clever. I was trying to make some long complicated argument That doesn't really work when you've only got, you know, 20 seconds to answer I I view it. I did prepare like that actually, uh, we talked on the phone I was it for this interview and I really was like, what should be my best role Not only in general, not only to the interview, but in general is what I do fighting feminism combating it trying to destroy it And or abolish it as peers, you know described it which I love But I view it as you know, I don't need to be the next Jordan Peterson or even the next Janice P mango Not that it could be a woman, but you know what I mean That's I don't need to be the next Steve Berle You guys are covering this in ways that are much more extensive and in depth and researched And god bless like we need that but we also need someone like me to be kind of like a mini trump That just just bashes these people over the head with things that are are combative and polarizing and even a little bit insulting To the extent they deserve it and really challenges them, you know I agree like I think we all have to work to our strengths and I also think like um, I I find that Having a wing of the anti-feminist movement that is really aggressive and unapologetic Is useful in all sorts of ways Because it does push the our opponents who articulate the mainstream orthodoxy pushes them back on their heels. It also Like some people think oh it damages our movement, you know, because don't we say, you know rude things? And we should never do that We should never speak against feminism and we should always make sure we say it's for equality But I think it's really useful because it you also allow other people to move into positions That would have been unacceptable except that you're pushing even further past those So you're making it acceptable for people to articulate Positions that appear quite moderate in comparison to your more aggressive stance that they wouldn't have been able to say Otherwise, so I think it's really really important that some of us come forward really aggressively I completely agree. I that's exactly strategically. I think about it too and I analyze trump the same way He's pushed the over he pushed the overton window massively in politics and stuff Even with feminism pierce morgan in 2018 was interviewing trump It was grilling him on feminism. He's like, why aren't you a feminist and trump's like, no, I'm not a feminist I'm not a feminist He was adamant. He refused to identify being a feminist and pierce was was as you can imagine is kind of annoyed by this But in my opinion trump is basically the first modern At least in the past 50 years Not a feminist president which is probably as close as you can get to being anti-feminist in that position Which pushed now the window for other people to you know when we go on tv We can talk about these things and I can be I can be the bad guy and you I could be the bad cop You could be the good cop. So I love it. Yeah. Yeah Or we can both be bad cop to different degrees and then other people can step in and be good cop But actually articulate quite radical positions. So yeah, I think that's that's absolutely true Well, the truth is a radical thing right more Inclined yeah, and that and that is the thing too that just to get back to what we were talking about before about the Roots of feminism being corrupt You know if all you have to do is read any of the if you don't even want to go back to the The first waivers of the 19th century or early 20th century Read some of the groundbreaking texts by the so-called foremothers of the second wave movement Which again a lot of people say oh, it was good It had good origins it went off the rails then but they were they were interested in sexual liberation and equality Well, of course there are lots of problems with sexual liberation and equality But if you read any of those foremothers kate millett um Susan brown miller Andrea dworkin, of course, but she's a little bit later Even like betty friedan one of the one of the earliest you read any of them. They are radical to the core They articulate absolute hatred and disgust um, there's a scum manifesto by valerie selanus, which was published in 1967 so very early days and is still celebrated as a you know core liberatory text of this time It it she Advocates the extermination of the male sex. I mean she was crazed When she wrote it she ended up having a mental breakdown and of course shooting Attempting to murder andy warhol a number of other people um, but you know, she's she's celebrated as somebody with uh, some kind of amazingly prescient vision and that's That was what was embraced nobody disavowed her nobody said oh wait a minute This isn't somebody we want to align ourselves with and they were allowed to get away with it And it just it drives me crazy when well-intentioned men and women come on and say well the early in the early days of the Feminist movement in the 1960s and 70s. It had a lot of legitimacy, but it's just gone too far lately That isn't true and we should stop saying it I agree a thousand percent and i've actually been i'm actually here's a question i'd like to put out to you And i'll give you my own um my own kind of theory on it first I've been trying to figure out how rata how feminism got more radical over time Even with what you just said in mind that's always had these radical toxic very negative elements in it that are Even if there's other things co-occurring there's like very serious Toxic roots even from 1840 and stuff like c talks about But undeniably I think feminism has gotten even more crazy and more radical every decade and every kind of Alleged wave that goes by so i'm like how did that happen? And I think it's kind of you're saying is that no one spoke up and put an end to this crap Not in the beginning not 20 years in not 50 not 100 It just keeps getting crazier and crazier like a snowball of this, you know anti male anti fatherhood insanity So there's lots of different there's lots of difference possible explanations. I think for it I mean one you could say that if feminism is a is a kind of mental disorder or at least if it appeals If it appeals to to people who are already Kind of liable to that kind of narcissism or that indulgence and grievance Um, it that's a really good really good point It you know, I think it does appeal and it also exacerbates any pre-existing tendency to You know to see oneself as a victim and therefore to you know Completely misconceive the world to feel resentment against others to feel a lack of empathy for others to blame others for everything That's Dissatisfying in one's own life. I really do believe that it both appeals to a pre-existing condition Which I think women in general are vulnerable to And then it exacerbates it as soon as it takes hold as the governing ideology of the person's life So obviously it's never going to go away like once you have that condition Once you embrace that as your worldview and the source of your identity and indeed the source of your righteous You know indignation It's it's never going to lessen and and you're never going to be satisfied Even if you're given everything you demand in fact, you'll just Need to demand more and so you'll have to find like a little monster that keeps eating cookies or something It is really it is and uh, I mean I have a friend who who um Who feels that much of what we see in the modern feminist movement is a kind of disguised Cry for help that the women themselves don't even recognize But you know, what do you make of the tendency of radical feminists? for example To get together on mass and to stand on bridges or to stand in public squares protesting something and the form of their protest is to strip off their clothes Sometimes they write slogans on their body saying things like don't touch me. I am not a sexual object How dare you rape me? You know things like that? Those are exact slogans, but you know what I mean? We've all seen those right on their breasts or on their stomachs and they're standing there naked So they're protesting being fetishized being objectified being You know hang on here too You know while they're exposing themselves in this way And therefore in a way inviting their own violation it seems and so he feels that this really is Yeah, how can you see these people as sane or normal? How could you possibly think that there's even a kernel of justified grievance? in the bizarre display of rage and self-victim hood there The other thing I would say about it is that you know just on a more practical level There are I don't know how many thousands tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of Mostly women but some men too Who are working in positions? in journalism in social services in the universities in hr in diversity offices in government In large corporations just everywhere in pr Who who their entire? Six figure salary Depends on their continuing to push narratives of grievance continuing to pretend that there's a big problem In our society that needs to be solved And if they ever admitted that feminism not only achieved its aims, you know back by like 1975 But went far past and became it's the the worst problem that we have In our society today They couldn't admit that because they they'd lose their positions So on that level too they have well you just made a big you just made a big point I'd like to hit on that. So you just said let's let's dig into it that feminism is probably the biggest problem we have today I believe that firmly that it's the most it's the most dangerous and lethal It will kill america and the west I think if it's not stopped and abolished because in my view I don't hear you take but my view is that feminism is essentially the root dysfunction and the root attack on the relationship between men and women And if you destroy that if you destroy femininity and you destroy masculinity You destroy the family and that the nations will die Period no matter whether it's 2021 or you know a thousand years ago or something like this is extremely dangerous And I don't see how any nation america or canada or any other can survive with that kind of toxicity Driving so deep at the relationship because people talk about the fall the nuclear family conservative and stuff in america And that's fine But it's like what's really causing that and I view it as feminism not And whatever it's connections to communism that's a little bit more complicated and stuff But feminism feminism feminism. I hate it. It's it. Well, it's inextricable from communism You know if you go back and read angles, for example, uh, he explicitly articulates a feminist critique of the family as a an institution that props up capitalism And consolidates, you know bourgeois society and that is all about supposedly the oppression of women and the commodification of women So um, so the feminism is communism and vice versa really the two are quite inextricable Um in that sense. Anyway, I know there are communists who are anti-feminist, but that's that's another issue So, yeah, they they you know there you you cannot find a strand of feminism that is not profoundly anti-family Yep, they all Advocate in some way the essentially the destruction of the family. They may not put it in those terms Kate millett certainly did in 1970 the bible of the women's liberation movement Sexual politics, but many of them will will say it. Oh the family needs to be, you know, reorganized The father should not be the head of the family They they have different ideas about what family would look like But they are essentially all advocating the destruction of the family and and it's well known that society cannot Cannot stand that what what they and they all advocate, of course a ever bigger ever more controlling role for the state The state raises the children the state makes every decision about what Parents are allowed to do what level of involvement the father is even allowed to have in his family uh, the father has essentially been Uh, completely cut off from his children according to the state every father has to know That under the system of law that feminists have created since the 1970s If the mother of his children wishes He can be entirely cut off from the lives of his children. I mean that I don't know you can't What more is there to be said? about that the the Like you're going to rant making fun of it and bashing it but that's extremely irrational and unjust the evil of it is beyond Reckoning really it it is it not only of course destroys The the men that find themselves in that position when they can't even see their children because of some false allegation made by the mother of their children um But it destroys the children themselves and it You know the the literature that exists on this and I'm not an expert on it, but I've certainly read a lot of it now it's um Like it's inarguable the consequences for the children are um everything wrong in society Has some root in fatherlessness Whether it is delinquency um, you know a mental illness dropping out of school Criminality if you talk to the majority of those who are incarcerated in federal prisons It turns out that they didn't have fathers They know this is well known and yet We we don't challenge it a few people do but it continues and in fact it increases Feminine the feminist assault on the law to give women more power To entirely disenfranchise men and to push men out of families It's just an ongoing assault. And so um, yeah, it uh, I don't think you can make the argument that Any other problem that we currently face is as serious I completely agree and you've articulated that extremely well. Yeah, it's at the root It's the root danger that the west and america faces and it's very sad And it's the danger of it the danger of it is so disproportionate to how it's treated Like you're saying that it continues. There's a local representatives the elected official in florida where I live What's her name? She's like a like a aOC like esca esca esca barry or whatever her name is Anyway, she talks about smashing the patriarchy. She's like 29 years old And she openly tweets about it talks about it when she campaigns for her little state representative position in florida And it's just so delusional to me like that that she does this openly She gets very few challenges for it It's like the patriarchy was smashed like, you know decades ago in america. You you're delusional And they but they they see nothing but patriarchy and oppression around them. There's they're fucking crazy Yeah, it is and the lack of pushback the the extent to which Um, uh, I don't I really don't understand it. Yeah the the extent to which men, um Don't come forward. I mean I understand it in that it is very difficult for an individual man especially a man who Has hostages to fortune in the form of his own Children and family that he wants to support he is now we're now, you know We're at the point where a man can lose his job Merely for making statements against feminism. So, uh, it's incredibly perilous and it is uh startling To see the degree of the anger the fanatical hatred that is allowed to be articulated and even applauded I mean last year there was a woman named Mona L. Tahawi. Remember her. Uh, she's an egyptian american who traveled all around the world I think in the fall of 2019 promoting a book called Something like the seven necessary sins for women and girls and she's essentially encouraging women and girls to own anger and Own lust and own, you know the rage against the patriarchy. I forget what all the various sins were that she was promoting And and she actually advocated Violence against men. She claimed it was just a fantasy or it was just a metaphor that she wasn't serious But she was essentially talking about vigilante violence. She asked how many men would we have to kill? How many men would we have to kill? Before patriarchy came to the table and negotiated for you know equality or some such thing The very fact that she can say that make money for it be applauded for it even have men write to her I used to look at her twitter page and she'd have men saying i love you go girl I'm with you 100 while she's advocating violence against men and pretending to be oppressed If she were really oppressed she would have said that once and she would have been jailed Beaten or perhaps even murdered Of course instead she is celebrated for it and is making a very comfortable I'm sure six figure salary as a much sought after speaker and author So some oppression, you know, it looks pretty good a good gig if you can get it and you know That's common like she's not an outlier in any way. There are women like that all over the place either At working as feminist activists publishing their books flogging their books or indeed working in the academy I'm you know, there are thousands of feminist academics who spew that kind of hatred There's a woman named Christine fair who tweeted out during the Brett Kavanaugh hearings that any man who supported Brett Kavanaugh should be murdered and his body parts cut up and fed to pigs I remember that yeah, you know, and that's just standard now, you know, that's perfectly acceptable This is a woman who teaches men teaches young men works with men has power in her job over the professional careers of men and over the academic careers of the young men that she Professes to It's And let's let's contract Let's contrast that though. So I say these people say this insane hateful extremely violent It's just ridiculous BS. I say make women great again or make women wives again. I get death threats for it Literally, so it is my family. That's how insane this is. No, I know it's it. I mean Any man who um Any man who says anything you remember? I'm sure you followed the case not too long ago of the teacher at Eaton Which is a boys school a very um posh boys school in the united kingdom I saw that. Yeah, merely made a very rational fact based video Contesting the idea that there is nothing good about men and he lost his job He lost his job for it and anybody who I would encourage everybody to watch the video. It's very well made And it was hardly anti-feminists. Well, it was anti-feminist, but in the most Woman-loving kind of way possible His whole point was that there are certain things about masculinity That are very beneficial to society and indeed to women themselves including men's desire and tendency and sense of fulfillment in their identity as providers And protectors of women and he talked about that, you know in the animal world He talked about how it manifests in human societies Wow, and for that he was fired merely for saying that there are good things about men And that those good things are things that benefit women and that's unacceptable imagine if he'd unleashed a tirade of the sort that Steve and I have have often produced so so even the mildest descent From the all men are pigs position Of the crudest of feminist theorists is a fireable offense and meanwhile we have You know professor susanna walters at northeastern university in Boston, I think it is Writing an op-ed in the washington post called boldly. Why can't we hate men? Not an ironic title Not leading to anything complex or interesting or surprising but simply a crudely written piece Complaining that indeed men are rightly hated because men are responsible for everything that's wrong with the world And she goes on and you know, I could Ream off I've spent the last five years Cataloging all of these instances of pure undisguised hatred Expressed by these women in positions of power Who get away with it and you know are are praised and protected? She later on wrote an article in the washington post clarifying that she didn't hate all men You know, she rethought it in light of intersectional feminist theory It was really white men that she hated Yeah, yeah, so uh, and then she didn't like a little racism in there Yeah, that and a little racism and then she complained that she'd received hate mail as a result of this and this just proved her point So, uh, you know, so this is the depth of the rot and um Yeah, anyway, I mean I I often feel like I'm I just feel in credulity Looking at this stuff and talking about it and it's not just in the world of Entertainment or just in the world of academia. It is everywhere. We hear it from judges We just uh on regarding men discussed an issue where The uh the australian actor craig mclaughlin He stood trial Injured a three-year hell On charges of sexual assault dating back to the time when he was in the rocky horror show in australia And uh, he was charged with what I thought were the most trivial like unbelievably trivial forms of sexual assault including a full body hug A short kiss on the lips And tickling a woman on her inner thigh So he stood trial And wow prison time for those charges. He had I think 14 counts of sexual assault And common assault made against him by four women all of them actresses that he had worked with He was uh, uh, ultimately after this three-year hell found not guilty. Okay, so that there you might say, oh good Well, see, you know, meanwhile his life is ruined. He will probably never work again as an actor He will be known as the sexual predator, you know, that did all these terrible things The fact that he was acquitted will not be widely known and the judge actually I mean her her statement Saying that she could not convict him Is textbook feminism. She praises the honesty and courage of the women that came forward to destroy his life She found them absolutely compelling very honest And she essentially she doesn't quite say it this way But she essentially regretted that she couldn't put him in prison For having the temerity to give a woman a full body hug And this is during, you know, all of the high jinx and the rough housing that goes on When you're part of an acting troupe and he described, you know, all the craziness that goes on women would goose him They would make sexual comments. He'd have a woman in her underwear sitting in his lap You know, all of this kind of stuff was going on He did a few things in response what were widely accepted and, you know, even encouraged and expected And yet six years later had to stand trial for it And the judge was furious that the law didn't allow her to find him guilty So so the like the hatred of men the total dehumanization of them and the possibility that their lives can be completely destroyed Um on on the word of any woman It is everywhere in our society and yet we go on as if it doesn't really Is if it's not really that serious Yeah, yeah, it's it's sick It's sick. I'm half I'm part of half of the population in America That's treated like garbage by the law and by a super dominant extremely toxic ideology called feminism Yeah, it's it's and I have little enough views that I worry about you know, they're very young and Little brother and stuff and it just sucks to see it never mind all the men that have come before me Yeah, I know I mean I just when I think about it. I just sometimes I'm just overwhelmed by the horror of it And and it's almost like you allow it to go on It's almost like you love men and respect them Janice. How dare you? Yeah, yeah, and you know, that's that's that's all it is. Like it's such a small thing. Yeah, sure. I I I love men I I treat it well by men all my life My husband doesn't like it when I say that because he thinks it sounds Sort of loose in a way, but I I mean, I love them in a completely Uh wholesome way and uh, and I um, I was gonna say you're a proud sandwich maker and wife, right? Yeah, yeah, I especially love my husband and uh you know I don't know everybody acts like it's so complicated and you know, women are just you know, we haven't Women haven't been in the workplace For for very long and we're just working it out and all of this. It isn't complicated. It's um, you know Well, I just never found that there was any problem. I always I found that men were Overwhelmingly willing to work with me and other women if we were competent I do not find in men any Uh resentment against women any misogyny any sense of insecurity anything like that And I think that it is ridiculous that women can't In general, um Give to men what they're owed which is respect for building the incredibly productive secure flourishing societies Incredibly technologically and medically advanced societies that we are privileged to occupy It's amazing that we can't thank men for that a woman sister a woman a woman Yeah, I know I'm speaking to the converted but yeah, it's um I you know like psychologists have done studies of this that we do live I in in human communities where both men and women tend to have More positive associations with women So the whole thing about protecting women caring about women feeling more empathy for women if a woman cries Everybody responds women respond and men respond. I think there's even something Like hormonal that happens in men if they see a woman crying somebody's done a study of this and you know So women do have that power But in all traditional societies up until you know 100 150 years ago women Like there women were expected to respect men and there were strictures in place Always to protect women but also to punish women who Who got out of line, you know and feminists have railed against this of course, but it was really important in all traditional Societies they were gynocentric, of course But they distinguished very clearly between good women women who are supporting men and supporting our society And bad women women who abused their children or you know who in whatever ways You know weakened the society And now it's like we can't do that anymore all women must be good We deny the capacity of women to commit evil We deny the possibility that women can be motivated by You know any kind of malevolence or viciousness or greed or envy or whatever it happens to be We just we can't face the possibility And so feminists always claim that feminism is the radical idea that women are human But in fact feminism is the opposite it denies that women are human It denies that women have agency to commit evil acts And that has infected the entire society so much that even when a woman does a horrific thing like murdering her husband Or murdering her children we make excuses for her We say it must have been because she was a victim It must have been because she had a mental illness It must have been because she was in some way forced into a corner and didn't feel she had any options So our first impulse is always to excuse her and you know, I don't see that ending well It's not good for women. It's not good for society It's gonna get us all killed. Yeah. Now now if I can comment uh from a distance He seemed to have a very positive loving healthy relationship with your husband Given that uh, they're giving that context. Do you find it personally saddening this anti male anti fatherhood hatred that women are taught today? Which I would think very much diminishes the potential for them to ever be in a relationship like that your thoughts Yeah, well, I mean it uh, you know, this hurts women as a whole too because yeah for a young woman who You know, there are still some nice young women out there who want to Work in partnership with men to make our society better and want to have a family And yeah, their chances are harmed by that in all sorts of ways and You know a lot of men are withdrawing A lot of men won't even help a woman if they see her in trouble because they're rightfully afraid That they're going to be charged with some form of assault Uh, you know, yeah, I mean There's so many different ways in which the feminist climate that we live in is damaging to women too. And so yeah, it's really it's very sad Very scary Yep, I think your cat misses you my hair So you mentioned, uh, you know, we're not allowed to criticize a woman today and you know, women being human It's things Obviously, I think make women great again as a that's my intention with it is a giant refutation And an intention to make women great again in and of itself And also to combat and abolish feminism completely. That's my real goal of it over the next 20 30 years Yeah, and but it's a great goal Thanks, thanks But I think one of the most aggravating things I did to the feminist and you know, last year all these these Vichy males I call them the male feminists. I call them Vichy males Vichy French. Yeah It basically was a giant f you to the idea that you can't criticize a woman like yes, we can Yes, we can and yes, we will and we will we will get it done because it needs to be done And I do believe women are human beings they're individuals and they're completely open to criticism as anyone else And I guess I was the first the first man of recent history to stand up and say it proudly Yeah, you know, we're gonna we're gonna make you right again. Well, they could stand it You know, I mean, well, obviously the you know, the the trump echo drove them mad to begin with but yeah They couldn't stand the idea that there was anything about women that needed to be improved Even though it's a pretty benign slogan make women great again At least it suggests that women were once great and could be again I'm looking at one right now. Well, thank you. I mean, it's pretty positive and certainly You know, there have been an awful lot of campaigns run by feminists supposedly to improve men And almost nobody objects to them and they're not nearly as benign. I mean, they never say Uh that that men were ever great and they don't even admit that right? They don't say make men great again They say let's try to make men a little bit less toxic Well, their position their position Their position is that men have always been evil and toxic and negative, right? So why would you can't you can't make men great again because they were never great They were never great, you know So so that's okay But to say that women have the capacity to be great and have been great in the past and can be again That's somehow really misogynistic. So yeah, it's just crazy and you know And it only stands to reason if you create a culture In which somebody some group of people is immune to criticism And some group of people is allowed to get away with the worst of behavior And is actually rewarded for that It just stands to reason that you're going to create more of the bad behavior And you're going to diminish women's capacity for moral agency and that is utterly disastrous Anybody that you don't hold to a high moral standard Is going to Diminish They're going to deteriorate as they're going to fall to whatever standard is set, which is zero at this point or negative It's zero. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean we are actually we're living in a society now that encourages women to claim to be victims And to express their hatred for men as some kind of righteous position And I I actually think women who don't do that are probably feel Made to feel that that somehow they're letting the side down And they may well feel that that many job positions are closed to them that all sorts of You know community You know Celebration and empathy is denied to them because They refuse that particular subject position that feminism offers them. It's Yeah, it's just crazy Yeah, it's a crazy world we live in. I mean it just keeps getting wilder and wilder lately, but we'll see where it goes I'm confident in my ability and the people like you to make the world a better place and fight like hell for it Well, you're I mean, yeah, I mean, I I'm not very confident to to tell you the truth. I'm I'm um It's a it's a man. It's a man thing. Don't worry about it. I think it is, you know, and I am I am confident in you and like that whole department of Of the men who who feel that They are up to the task of fighting this cultural fight and turning things around. I'm really thankful that you exist I'm fairly like my my attitude. I think could be described as stoic pessimism Uh, you know, I'm trying to endure What what what we have created of our world and I'm trying to have a little bit There's a ridiculous cat fight going on back there I love I love cats I try to have Some hope and I'm happy in my, you know, personal life But most both my husband and I often feel quite Dispirited, you know when we look at things it just it seems as if Well, we we doubt we'll see it turn around in our lifetimes and but I certainly I would be delighted to be proved wrong um But you know that like the the total feminization and the The marginalizing of men and just the marginalizing of masculine ways of being Is so striking and I I told you before we talked today that I kind of wanted to say something about COVID and the way it's been handled and like it does strike me Again, now I've got off, you know, my area of of real knowledge, but Uh, like it does strike me that the response to COVID speaks volumes about the mass Feminization of our society in so many different ways like it's been so striking that Like I know it's different. I know in in florida and it's interesting that, you know, that the border is closed So canadians can't even Go down and see how different things are in various states, especially in florida In fact, we were talking to arguing with our doctor the other day About COVID and all the various restrictive measures and the lockdowns and the mask mandates and now the you know the Incredible pressure for everyone to be vaccinated even children, you know who are not aren't at risk from COVID at all We were talking to him and he he uh, I don't think he even knew That florida has been open my husband said to him, you know, florida has been open for months and months and months And it's doing fine and we're still in lockdown. We opened we opened disney world in orlando I think in late june in 2020. That's how long florida's disney world, you know thousands of people at theme parks and stuff I never even stopped going to the gym. We guys are going to the beach in florida Florida's a wider place. It's in the blood. It's in the sun and the blood in the sand We just don't there's a real savagery here. I was born a racer too. So I love it And we just have very low tolerance for this crap. So I'm sorry that you're up there dealing with that in florida. It's great It's incredible. I mean he and he the doctors actually said to us. Oh, that's because they're all vaccinated And he wouldn't listen. My husband said, oh, this was like this was before way before the vaccine This was like back. I mean, I didn't realize it was as early as june. I know that the restaurants and everything I remember desantis Opening all the restaurants and everything in in september So, you know, my husband was trying to tell him no like they they just took a different approach To the whole virus and they did well in it. I mean here we've we've still like we're under all these orders We're actually being told at what stage we might be able to hug people That's sick if you can imagine we're told we might be able to hug our friends and family at some point in july But only if we're very good Only if we follow every rule and keep our little masks on I mean I see people now like the degree of compliance The degree of longing For safety and to follow every single rule is so incredible. I see people jogging outside wearing masks I see people driving alone in their cars Wearing their masks. I see young couples with children age six age four Riding on their little tricycles and they're all wearing masks while walking outside It is just so incredible the the level of irrational fear that has gripped the entire society And the longing to be given more and more rules so that we can be safe You know, they're everywhere you go. There are arrows telling you you can walk down this aisle Don't walk down this aisle. You have to stand here. Don't stand there. Do this. It's just incredible I like flagrantly violating these things when I see them. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah Yeah, I don't it's just and and that I just you know, um, I mean I you know my area of study originally was 19th century canadian literature and just as one example I read the journals of a author named L. M. Montgomery who's the The author of ann of green gables and many other books for girls and young women and she kept a journal pretty much her whole life and As she became a more and more famous author she expected the journal was it would eventually be published So she turned it into a kind of public record and she lived through the spanish flu of 1918 1919 and Like there it killed many more people than coven killed of course and it it threatened The the young and the healthy it killed many people in the prime of their life. It killed many children And yet there was and it was a terrible thing and she admits that but there was not That level of public hysteria and the angry demand That the government better do something to keep me safe. There was just the recognition that yes There are these things viruses do develop people do die People die before their time and that's a terrible thing She knew many people in her own family and in her close circle of acquaintances who died She herself was very sick with with the flu and there was none of that, you know that sense that the neighbor was not Exercising proper moral vigilance About this this, you know public threat that we have now like it's so strange now. It's as if A kind of mass hysteria Has seized the entire country where I live like and there's no difference in any of the provinces We have provinces rather than states Everyone whether it's a conservative leader or a you know more left-leaning leader Everybody has the same the lockdowns the stay-at-home orders the closure of businesses the total destruction of the economy supposedly in the name of safety You know everything schools have been closed in some some provinces children have to wear masks Do you believe this is a do you believe this is a push these government edicts to one world communism something like that? Like Steve talks about I'm I'm not really sure but Certainly I will say for sure that if this was an experiment to see The level to which canadians would be willing to go to comply with totally draconian and irrational orders It's revealed some pretty startling things About the the willingness of canadians to do anything to have their entire lives put on hold potentially for years and they're talking about 2024 Still having covid measures in place They're never gonna get they don't everyone they want them forever I think it's all a lot of people a lot of people and a lot of people that's the thing like you know It's fine to say. Okay. This is what the you know people in power are doing I don't even know but but you know, I'd be willing to believe anything. I don't trust any of these people but it's the willingness even the demand Of ordinary canadians to bring it on and in fact the most criticism you ever hear from canadians Is when they talk about opening something up There's a huge chorus of people saying you're a murderer People are gonna die like it's it's it's startling and Yeah, there there's been very little resistance starting now finally, you know 1415 months in there are some marches and protests, but we are still under lockdown and they're basically Kind of promising that if we're really good and we follow all the rules and we all get vaccinated We might have some opening by september But of course by then the flu season will come back and and then we'll all be locked down again. So Unfortunately, it looks like my husband and I may not be able to travel for a very long time because they're talking about vaccine Passports they're talking about not allowing anybody to leave the country or come back in if you can't show that you've been vaccinated So-called vaccinated isn't the vaccine. Of course. It's a gene therapy And you know my husband and I do not want to do it And so uh, we're facing the prospect of being stuck here for I don't know How many years hope not because I we'd love to come to florida and be with you and everybody and you know Participate in your wonderful conference, but thank you, which is the plan obviously, but I would I wouldn't get that vaccine crap if with a gun in my head There's under no circumstances while I ever take that vaccine as long as I live ever It bothers me so much like throughout the whole thing. I have hated how we are treated like children We've been lied to Our public health authority here in british columbia, my province Initially said that masks didn't do anything. She did not advise them The weave was far too large the you know virion particle is far too small. It can get through any mask She said that for weeks suddenly She changed her tune almost, you know, like within a day And she even denied that she'd ever said anything else And and she got away with it. She suddenly then started advocating masks Then she advocated wearing two masks and you know, then she added, you know, all then she made masks mandatory in all public places meanwhile the Number of so-called cases which again, you can't really necessarily trust but if you do trust the the Announcement of cases it kept going up the more there were mask mandates the more there were social distancing rules The more there were closures and stay-at-home orders the number of cases kept increasing. So the things that they were doing You know Self-evidently didn't work But they kept doing them and they're still doing them and I just despise Being treated like a child that should simply unthinkingly comply And if I raise any questions, I must be a danger to society and a terrible person unless of course I'm marching for black lives matter in which case I am applauded by the public health authority and 10 000 health officials sign a public declaration saying that systemic racism Is a more serious threat to health than covid So it's perfectly okay to gather outside in mass numbers of thousands and to protest systemic racism But if you gather outside in a small crowd to protest covid measures You are a menace to public health The police have been given orders to deal with protesters in the most brutal manner possible Most churches have been closed in canada since day one since march the 15th or something The few brave christian pastors who have kept their churches open have been incredibly harassed by police They there's one man who's been in jail For over a month because he kept his church open I have seen children out playing ice hockey wrestled to the floor by police I've seen a woman carrying a sign that said communism is the real virus being handcuffed and hauled away in a patty wagon I've seen people tackled by by police thugs And harmed because they weren't wearing a mask You know, it's just incredible what has gone on in this country and the main cry of canadians Has been to bring it on bring it on more and keep us safe So it's uh, it's really amazing and yeah just to come back to the vaccines How they can tell us that they know these are safe. They can't possibly they have not been tested long term Nobody knows what the long-term consequences of these things might be and yet We're being pressured to take them even children under 12 are supposed to take them and they're bringing in all sorts of policies whereby children can choose without their parents consent To be vaccinated and they're being pressured to do so by their teachers and by community leaders. It's it's It's just mind boggling. It is the insanity is mind boggling That's the best way to put it in totality with kovat and all this crap in the vaccines every inch of it has been insane Um, even I mean in florida. It's been the best in america by far. I think but even Even that i'm like, I wish who he was even more savage and to sand is as incredible as our governor The leader of our state the executive leader. He's a good guy. Yeah, but it's been even uh, I just hate every every second Every every little thing that happened kovat was stupid and insane and irrational and ultimately evil. I think it became very quickly very quickly that Yeah I'm uh, but I love your your takes on this and um, I could tell you in america our talent for this stuff is lower And that's why you do see states like texas and florida and other states not pushing Even more aggressively back against us as florida kind of leads the way with that So we're not perfect in america, but we have a history of You know as you know shooting tyrants and it's basically killing them and yeah, but there's literally it's in our blood I think it's americans to fight tyranny and be very bold and very aggressive against it So I do think that's going to end in america this kovat crap And I think hopefully you'll bleed off to canada and other nations as well over time. We'll see Over time. I mean, I am hopeful that you know in a year or two. Surely it will it will Die out and I thank god for for the red states that Really do care about individual liberties And uh, yeah and fight for freedom because we don't have that spirit in canada. We we never really had it We are a they have a different history a different cultural attitude A great deal of it. Um based on a kind of smug sense of moral superiority Into the united states even while we of course depend entirely on the united states for our robust economy when we had one And of course for our for military protection Uh, you know, we've been able to spend lots of money on things that we think make us morally superior such as state run health care, which I can tell everybody It has a lot of problems You know because we didn't have to spend money on a military because we were depending on the very country that our best friends That we at the same time always like to Criticize and even with all that I know you mean that that morals priority thing you see that from canadian liberals But even growing up into florida and in america There was always an affinity for canadians They're very as a child even they're very I had a couple neighbors who are canadian and they would visit like snowbirds Like six months. They live in canada and six months in florida And they're they had an accent and stuff. It was very curious to me as a child and I like them And my friends too, we would you know, we would talk to them our neighbors and stuff So there's always been a positivity that I've seen in america for canadians like the maple syrup and stuff I don't know. Yeah, but yeah, we like you guys even if they even if someone worked out on us Yeah, well, that's what I've always said, you know every time a canadian travels in the united states Usually the response from americans is whole hearted welcome, you know hearty open-handed generous welcome Canadians, uh, I think envy the united states and feel inferior and therefore Uh, you know have to have to criticize. Um, but anyway, I certainly do hope that Who knows maybe that will be Good a better future Then i'm predicting right now because my husband and I would we'd love to come to florida I mean our our long-term goal is actually Potentially to move to florida. Oh, yeah, bring it on. Yeah So we'd love to um, we'd love to check out possible places where we might live and But certainly in the short term We'd also love to to be at the conference and I've um everything that's happening I was born and raised here and I love it But I've also traveled the world and I still love it to me florida is the best place in the world And I've seen 26 countries now at 32 years old and there's some others that compete like I love I love poland too. Poland is so amazing But florida's it's my birthplace of my home and it's it's so savage and there's such good politics here and Individual freedom even you know the beaches the physical geography of it. It's amazing. It's not perfect It gets it's super hot in the summer Yeah, oh yeah, gee. Yeah, you're telling that to a canadian in a rainy cold province It sounds like a real hassle being too hot Gee, I got to go swimming today. I'm too hot. We can we can go generally you can go swimming on christmas That's a warm it is here. It's incredible. Yeah, now we've been a dream to me. Yeah. Hey living the dream right here. There you go. Boom So last uh last question I want to get to here. We've been a little bit over an hour So we'll start kind of winding down So, you know the intention is for you to speak at 22 convention if it's in any way feasible with respect to your values 100% get it What do you want to speak to about young woman? Have you begun thinking about your speech to me? You're one of the biggest speakers that I love like I told you that the opening I really love your your kind of Not only your personality, but who you are like I really believe that you're you're sincere and savage And you want to defend men and advocate for the truth and for freedom and against feminism So my mind you're just one of my favorites at the event. You have some competitors But Some really good women out there. Yeah, but what do you want to say to young woman? It's it's a lot of women there but for me It's I think about the videos that we get to publish obviously tech talks So what do you want to say to a woman at this conference? What have you been thinking about that? Well, I haven't you know, I thought how I would do it But the basic message would be avoid victim hood like the plague Because once it grips you It changes your whole way of being and there's nothing good about it So that would be the main thing and I but how exactly I would do that may be showing You know where it takes root in some Feminist advocates and you know, and then how it's resulted in really damaging policies policies that are destructive To both men and women something like that. But yeah, it's just you know Like get away from the victim hood mentality because it it it it cripples everything Healthy and productive both in the individual in their development and in the possibility of any kind of harmonious You know social interaction between men and women Yeah I love it. I'm excited and I hope you guys you and your husband get to make it down to make great time October 21 to 24 And you guys can they're not on sale. You have the tickets actually this is just kind of a preview But they will be on sale soon about two weeks from now They're going to go on sale for all three events Someone in the chat actually asked if this is uh for women or for men and it's only for women You have to have two x chromosomes to buy a ticket. You cannot have a y chromosome Um, mostly it's men speaking for mansplaining, but we also have some women's planning obviously here femsplaining. I call it And I'm proud of that. We stuck one in last year in anti-feminist chick at the last minute Uh, jenna from laski shi school. You like her But we have several now invited dr. Helen smith for example, and there's several other She's fantastic. I know I know I got to get her. I got to get her. I got to confirm her still, but I'm really excited Yeah, she's wonderful. I hope she'll agree. I I love her book men on strike. It's such a sane Empathetic she got it, you know and and it's a fantastic book. I'm swinging for the fences I'm going to go next for camille camille a pagula. Oh, yeah I think it's palia. Yeah, she's she's fun. She is She's one of those people. I don't even care whether I agree with her I don't always agree with her. You know, she's a Bernie sander supporter. I can't get that through my head I don't understand But but I don't care. I know I just I I love her whatever she has to say She is so such an exhilarating incredibly smart speaker And you know, you talk about savage. Wow, like she's the definition of savage Yeah, coming from you that means up. I know you mean I've seen her talking. She's she is brutal She's savage and brutal at the same time a little bit different. I'd say So I'm gonna think about christina hoff summers. I don't know. She uh, I don't she block man twitter I don't think she blocked man twitter But she was fighting with men twitter once because I was going after for being just too soft on feminism and she didn't like that But we'll see we'll see the books that she's written the war on boys is a tremendous book You know, I forgive her nearly anything for that I do often feel that she wants to have her cake and eat it too You know, she criticizes extreme feminism, but she still wants Well, I I don't yeah, I don't I don't want to get into saying anything bad about her because as I say I'd forgive her anything or the other book who killed feminism. Yeah, uh, you know, she just exposes all the false research All the false claims. It's an incredibly useful book For I think was uh I think with a woman like or any any uh public figure, but particularly her focusing on christina I think it's it's complicated. It's nuanced for views and I don't hate her at all I think she has done good work good work And good exposes of feminism in her video series too. Like I mentioned earlier the factual feminist Fantastic Just fantastic. Yeah, I'd love it if you could if you could have her speak because Well, we're we're we're open. We're not like the other side, you know, we're we're interested in having disagreements with people um You know, I view my I view my conventions as free speech platforms And I don't want I don't want everyone there to be in lockstep with what I personally think that's not the purpose I view it like it like a painting and so I kind of create the canvas for you guys And then I fill it in with speakers you get to paint it themselves And there needs to be some disagreements if everybody agrees on every little thing that's that's weird and that's an echo chamber That's stupid. So that's feminism in a nutshell is what an echo chamber of insanity and negativity. Yeah, that's for sure So well, it's been a pleasure chatting with you once again I would like to interview you again probably in a few weeks or a few months before the event Um, I do of course hope you get to make it down if you want to move there go for yeah Yeah Bring your cats. We've got plenty of cats Well, thanks a lot Anthony. It was great speaking to you as always Um working people I put your link a link to your new gab because you cancel you close your twitter, right? I close twitter if they cancel trump. I'm not going to be on it. So I I kind of had moments of regret I'm not on there anymore. So I'm on. I miss you. I miss you on twitter And I haven't done much on gab I have to admit but Yeah, so basically I'm just you can find me at studio brule. You can find me with the fiamingo files I'm not making as many videos now, but I still am making them and you can find me on regarding men as well That's with paul elam, right? Yeah with paul and palm. Yeah, we do weekly chats about things What's the website regarding men.com? I'm not sure to tell you the truth. Um, yeah, I think it's that everybody's google regard or duck. Go regarding men You'll find it. Yeah, and there are links to your gab and I think uh, something else your book I put in the amazon Yeah, oh, yeah Oh, I have. Yeah, here we go Everybody go get them amazon Yeah, thank you Well jennis, thanks so much. We'll wind down everybody else. What things are yep. Thanks for watching everybody today I'll see you probably next week on the red man group probably about 11 a.m. Saturday Peace out hit the like button subscribe share all that good stuff It'll help red man group 21 studios and of course jennis the speaker here as well Thanks jennis. Thank you. Bye. Bye