 Thank you for joining us this evening. Thank you, it's a pleasure being here. Okay, I'll have a few questions for you. Starting at the beginning. Research on you is a little sparse here in the archives. Why is that? I don't even know what happened or how that happened in the beginning. It was just a fundraising thing and we're sort of getting involved with L.A. and M. So I think there was like a gap in between there. Okay. So starting again at the beginning, where did you go up? I was raised in Tampa, Florida. There was a Cuban and then we moved to New York City in the Bronx. Why did your family go there? My father's a cigar maker and Havana Cuba Cigar. Those were supposed cigars. So they started their own business in the Bronx. How did you spend your time in the Bronx? We all went to Catholic schools and we're all like the good girls. Not anymore. And after school we used to come home and help my dad put the cellophane on the cigar box. Each cigar I put it in the box, we did that. Which we actually enjoyed doing that. And half my family lived in the same building as we did. So did you go outside a lot or did you spend most of your time inside? Because those days my parents wouldn't let us play outside. So I didn't know how to ride a bicycle. Like here we'll skate. We stayed in the house a lot. What was it like to have to watch the other children outside while you were inside? It was pretty funny for us. But we did coloring and my grandmother lived with us so we played games. What sort of games did you play in there? I don't remember those years. I was a little bitty. So tell us about Catholic school a little bit. What was the life like for you? It was hard because my sister was like the brain in the family. So I was the in-between sister so I was not too bright. So every time I couldn't solve a problem they called my oldest sister to come in. And then I get a smack in the face and then the paddle in my knuckles. So it wasn't very good. Once I graduated I never moved back to church. School nothing. Do you think that that has shaped your interests today? I don't know. I never thought of that back then. Just a bit of curiosity here. So, let me jump over that one. You lived in New York City's Greenwich Village at one time. Yes, I did. Tell us a little bit about that and the time frame involved with that. I graduated from my school. I kept telling everybody where the Greenwich Village, the Bohemians were there. Everybody was so free and wonderful. And so my first job was to save money and move there. And I lived on one St. Mark's Place where all the Bohemians were. They played cards and played their games online. And then throughout the years of course it all changed. But it was wonderful living there. Did you encounter a lot of the gay scene there at the time? Oh, I guess. Tell us a bit about that. I used to be able, like my building had to meant for gay. So it was like very comfort zone for me. So we used to go over gay bars. Well, not all, but some of the gay bars. And we used to have home parties. Everybody used to cook and have a good time doing that. So I definitely enjoyed that. So what were the bars like at that time? You know something, I don't remember it that well. I wish I would have experienced more of it. Because whenever they go up to the New York Eagle, it was just more like the neighborhood. Oh, okay. Yeah. So it's like really don't know the difference. Were there any people that you specifically remember from your time there? No. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm old now. What took you to California? I met this at the time wonderful man in Greenwich Village. And he swept me up my plane. He said, let's go to the same buddy in California. And I said, okay, I'll try that, see what happens. And then we got married, had children, got a divorce. I just said it was good. No drama there. Thank God. But I had two beautiful children. Robin is 40. She'll be 41 in October. And my son William, he'll be 38. Oh, he was 38 in May. Then I have a granddaughter who's just turned 15. So how did they react to you and your involvement in the leather community and the gay community? Uh, my son was like, oh, that kind of thing. And then after he saw me, the boys that came to my house were like, oh, mom, they got fun. Like, oh, yeah. So he used to come and play cards with my boys and we all got there. So, yeah, it wasn't that much of a problem. Wonderful. Well, in interviewing some of your family members in preparation, I was told you have helped raise the town of Dublin, California. How have you done that? After I had my second child, I didn't want to go to work because I had a date there for my daughter. And it was like, I wasn't happy with her and I had two of them. So then I got pregnant with my son and I decided, I'm going to stay home. And when he was about six months old, we needed extra money. So I said, I was going to do a date here. So I started putting ads in and got my license. So I raised Apple Dublin. And plus, did your elective care. What? Yes. Have you ever had any issues with any of the parents from the children? No, but this is a funny story. When I needed parents, even if it's 150 degrees, I had to turn a leg, you know, I changed it all and he'll follow me. I do the whole line yard. And then during the day when the parent leave, I just, you know, tank top on whatever. And it was gay pride and I wasn't providing. I had a brother and sister, seven and eight years old. They built exactly where my tattoos were. And so it wasn't a Sunday and a big pride. That was there having a good old gay time. Monday morning, the mother and the kids come and he goes, oh, Nana, you know, the kids said that you want to team you with the gay people. And I was going, oh, no, not me. And they go, oh, yeah, they said you have this, you know, with AIDS ribbon over here and you got the eagle over there. And I said, yeah, that was me. I needed to go, oh, that's a hell of cool. So that broke me out. So after that, new parents have came to visit and interview me, take me as I am. Black lives tattoo, that's me. So I had a problem with it. Wonderful. You alluded a little bit ago to your children and your granddaughter. Let's, I think I'm going to leave straight. I'm still straight. And there were apparently a couple of people with who they used to go out with Nancy and Stacy. Oh, God, yes. Tell us a little bit about that. Okay, so Stacy and I, we live like, we know each other forever. We both have two kids. And she worked at San Francisco and we both got into wars within a few months of each other. And so we just had a girls night out Thursday. And our kids were like 15, I'm acting, over 13. We had to leave the home and leave for a few hours. So we used to go to the straight floor by her house. And the guys, you know, you won't be able to buy a cocktail and give you 12 hundred. We were not into that. So I said, now Stacy, let's go to the gate was in San Francisco. So she spoke to Nancy who lives in San Francisco. So one Saturday we all went up there and we went to on Castro and it was like, we had such a good time. Except that Nancy, for us to stay with her on the weekends we had to stay, we had to go to church on Sunday morning. Which was not a good time. So we did that for about four months. And one time we were at the church and the priest came, got up on stage or whatever. And he said, all of a sudden he blared out, if you're gay, it's not a good thing because Jesus said, and I go, oh my God, I just got up. I said, well, I said. Stacy and I walked out and Nancy was really upset because she was back into the Jesus and all of that. And she didn't like hanging out with the gay guys, but I did. And so with Stacy and I kept on going and then we stopped going because I liked going every weekend whereby she didn't want to go every weekend. But that's why I met a lot of boys at that time. Tell us a bit about that. What were your impressions of the gay scene at that time? Oh, I loved it. I mean, up to it. The guys were really nice. I felt safe being around so many men. And I knew there was a friendship there that I didn't have to worry about being molested or being disrespected. Like you do in straight bars. And so it just kept on growing and growing. Are there any people in particular you remember from that time? Yes, the first person that I met, Ernestine. That's how I got my name Bama. We walked into the Phoenix on Castro's dance bar and he's a drag queen and I wasn't used to egg queens at all. I'd seen him on TV periodically and when I walked in he said, Oh, my name is Sandy. Oh, no, you've got to be my mama. I said, okay. Well, I don't feel he's about six foot four. He feels that big, wig that high. So you don't look up at him like that. So I said, okay, then all my coffee introduced me to all his friends. Oh, this is my mama. This is my mama. So the name caught on. The follow-up because of that. My mama. And that's how it all began. That was in the late 80s. I couldn't help but notice you became a little emotional talking about that. Is there something that comes to mind? Yes. So I started going in 1988 and by the early 90s, all the guys, almost all of them that I met, they died from AIDS. And that was very emotional because these are people that I bonded with, that I spent weekends with them in their houses. I had their house keys, they came to my house and they were just dropping their flies everywhere. Every weekend, every during the week, there was somebody in the hospital again and at that time they didn't know what AIDS was all about and why people were coming down with AIDS. And I took a lot of care of a lot of gay men. I watched them die. I felt them dying. And I wish that everybody could experience that nowadays only because AIDS is still an epidemic and it's still going on because the newer generation have no idea they don't have a clue what it is like to see a friend withered and bones and die. So this topic is very touching and so we started doing the fundraising because they had a bigger bag, a telephone and that's how it happened. I said let's start doing the fundraising and giving money to help them out. So let's have a go again. Bringing it back to a slightly happier note. I had the privilege of speaking with her esteem and he let a few skeletons come out and talk to me. Oh, I'm scared now. He mentioned one time that he and you and some other people went to Reno and you had an occasion to look at the table. What was that? He was doing it with a Constantine, a biker who was at the Cisco and he said to the bike run to Reno. Oh, the Reno, the people who did not go strike with a thing got on the train to Reno and so they do shows when we get there you know we have a whole hotel for ourselves and we do show the campus shows and so Ernestine was in the pool drag and we were like starving to death so we all said oh, let's go eat. Little did we know that this big drag queen was like everybody was like people think they were staring at him so that bothered me and then I saw people laughing at him and by then I had had quite a few cocktails earlier so I said Robert I don't like this and everybody was like mama don't say nothing it's okay. I said I'm going to whip some ass in here and he said I wouldn't go home so funny that they were staring and calling him F.A.G. we were telling him you need to say that word and that bothered me so much and I said don't you ever call people that from that word have some manners of respect and that was the end of it the guys just got up and walked out so I didn't have to whip ass so he Ernestine also mentioned that he at one point got an occasion to auction you off for cash yes I would he probably remembers more than I do because we used to do the beauty screen and I was telling some of my boys last night we used to do the beauty screen bend whereby they have got boxes of dresses and shoes and stockings and wigs and all lined up so people say oh they picked them wore out and when they came to my turn I said oh yes you know $50 for mama and then they picked what they were going to wear I don't look pretty in purple in lavender and I was like no I can't do it you know the money came up hardly enough so they made me wear after I said $3,000 I could say no so $3,000 they put this short little lavender dress on me not pretty white stockings feels like this so I was walking left side my hair in pony tails purple lipstick purple eyeshadow which I had on my eyes for like three days couldn't get it out and of course all the glitter so what they do then somebody in the back room they dress you up and then all of a sudden they play a song and then they push you through the curtain so you don't know what song is coming up my song thank god was cheaper it's part of the money like a dance and then people tip me so it was over $3,000 so it was for a good cause one time only I would never do it again Jeff will it be where are you? never said it people that were part of mom's family the first corporate there was earnestly but who else joined you in that first oh and there was so many Jeffy most of them are just gone there was so many that were gone I mean they would get sick and and I didn't want to go and help take care of them and the worst one was the daddy that I kept on calling him and you know how you know somebody's telephone number by heart and I was calling him he wouldn't reply he wouldn't call so one day I finally like after two months I said you know give me your calling bitch and I left my telephone number his ex-partner was there the phone rang immediately and said mama he's very sick and now you know how sick he was so they had a nurse there all the time I went to visit him and when I walked into that house I felt death and the nurse was cleaning him up and all that so that I couldn't go upstairs and they were trying to feed him he wouldn't eat and so I went up there eating all this coming and and they said Teddy guess who's here he goes my mama so I fed him nobody could feed him but I fed Teddy and the next morning the phone rang and Teddy was gone so it was like you know bad memories in the beginning were these was the family focused mostly on any particular bar any particular place in San Francisco? you know not really because we did Polk Street there for a while too we did more of an awesome Polk Street and of course I met more of the guys there and more direct shows that were going on at Polk Street so and then of course Castro but then I saw how I got involved with the leather was I saw this gorgeous punky man in leather walking in front of Daddy's bar Castro and I go oh my god look at that guy we're the leather guys coming up you don't want to go there mama I said yes I do so in the years to say the next week when I came out they took me to some shop and I got a little vest the beginning thing and started going to the Eagle and the powerhouse and the rest is history so what were some of your impressions of that anything that surprised you, shocked you? you know it's funny because certain bars I don't like we're not to go at the back rooms no upstairs so it's funny because a lot of women wouldn't be even allowed in some of the bars because some of the women would go into the men's space I don't know what you guys call it but in truth, you know by the pool table where they're doing the oddies I don't go there the bar to be packed especially like the middle of the week there's a pack of avatars a few times there's a woman in here oh it's only mama so they didn't mind and they know my limits I don't know wonderful well I understand that over the years as a family has evolved several awards have come up so tell us about the drama queen award oh my god I understand people want it yes it's when a person is complaining all the time they think it's all about them that everybody's out to get them they get the drama queen pin and they have to wear it for a month and then we have the mama's the mama's bitter one that they ate the whole freaking world they didn't behave so it was added for a long time why did you win the drama queen award oh god my job was slow and the bill that they could pay and I was having like too many cocktails and my mom would blah blah blah they gave me the pin that was the fun thing I did wear it for a month the family continues to grow what thoughts have you about the family growing so large did you ever foresee this no this is like a I was a fairy tale book I mean I look at the family and I think about them and it's like the most inspirational I've had in my life and they make me feel so good I love you guys so much and they know what I always tell they always say I love you mama but I'm the top of the family so I always say I love you more because I mean I could never live without all of you guys that have been touched in my heart so how many people are in the family now wait too many like a thousand forty something and I've been giving birth today so you guys who have never seen that I've been giving birth to a couple of people here tonight does having so many people in the family become a well wing? yeah when I look at the list of number one to a thousand forty three and all the names are different it's like how does that happen I ask myself you know what if I don't deserve you it's such a beautiful feeling and if I died tomorrow I would have done a happy person how many international locations are in Canada we have over 15 in Canada in Washington oh in Chicago we have so many they come out of the woodwork Canada we have over 15 mama's family there any other locations for the locations two in France and and of course every state's got what it is so only one German daddy I think the audience like that he's a high too we can only help incest is not best so in your fundraising efforts to give you the year generally how much money do you generate for your charities you know when we first started I didn't keep track of it oh you track of how much money San Francisco family raises and we raised over a million and then we had a Chicago family and every state that started raising money I kept track of it for a while but it was overwhelming so I think we raised and whatever you call raises it stays here people thought in the beginning that you do a fundraiser in their town and they say good money now you do it in your town it stays in your town in talking to some of your family members I'm told that you are a confeder you are able to bring people together for charitable work how do you see yourself in that? I think it's something that just happened I think people were waiting for somebody to direct them to inspire them and these are oh so because it proves it every time I've seen the Pantheon winners and 99% of the Pantheon is my family yeah it's overwhelming I'm sorry I have to cross that so I'm also told you cross all the lives of the community what do you mean by that? well I'm just told that there's no such thing as mama being not part of a certain group of people or unable to access a certain group of people it just happened amazing with people and the community seemed to like me the transgender I don't have a problem with anybody because I treat everybody with manners of respect do you see that continuing in the community? I hope so because at times I'm very disappointed but the community at large how are you disappointed? the lack of manners of respect the lack of or the the black stabbing when we're talking to someone on voice last night the black stabbing that goes on and I was trying to explain to them my feelings about them and somebody especially the type of older group they start to attack somebody and they keep on and instead of people not responding somebody has to respond so that person builds himself up to respond back and it goes on for days and I believe the first couple of times they have to leave to leave to leave and these people if you stop and think about it they other people that have never been to your fundraiser never donated one dollar to your cause and you don't see that but they're the first people to bitch about it about somebody else who is busting your butts doing something for the community and that's my personal feelings do you think that that enables you to better talk people together to motivate people? well I think so how do you see that? every time I travel and I come back home my email is people are afraid to approach me why I do not know but when I come back from IML M-A-L or wherever I go I get to know oh man I don't have a way to talk to you but we really know how to approach you how to become part of the family give me your family and they want the information so I direct it to my website they think it's there and so there that we'll be friends online and when they want to become part of the family tell me about what you've done for the community I don't blame you because you are cute you got nice tits, big down there I don't care what you've got on your back work for the community and you're part of my family do you consider yourself a community icon? no, no I don't why not? because I'm just a little old me and my life has been built and it's nice but I consider myself average like everybody else incredible because a lot of people would say you're probably one of the bigger names I know, and thank you but I'm a little old me tell us about your leather walks why did those begin, how did they begin? it started I forgot for a year I was just involved with raising money and walking and 8 years ago the guy who made everything passed with AIDS but before he passed away I went to his mother's shop because he used to do alterations and things there and he was very he didn't look very healthy and I knew he wasn't doing well so he said I'm going back home to my clothes they're going to take care of me and I said oh and I don't know why but the first thing out of my mouth who's going to do leather walk and he goes wow, of course you and I've never produced anything that big because it is kind of big and so I said really, oh yeah you've got the people behind you you can do it, you know what to do and so I did a little class research and it started this year being 9 years and what it is you have a pledge sheet and you get people to donate whatever they want and for the leather walk in the beginning before I got involved I used to be for AIDS and for the AIDS emergency fund and then when I got involved and I knew women who had breast cancer and I spoke to the counter which is art on the chest pain I said art, can I do half and half he said by all means so that year we raised $32,000 we had tons of women who fight for us, everybody came out for that so I really enjoyed doing that it's a touch that there's a particular woman that you would visit in some of the projects and somewhere in San Francisco and this is building into your toy drive Brenda's house tell me about my son Brenda's house I wish I could lose weight by just shedding tears I feel like that oh so in 2001 I get a telephone call and there was a gentleman from Girdville, that's the family second home away from home and he said mama the gentleman that always got toys for the kids here for our community has disappeared and it was like three days before Christmas he says can you and your family do a toy drive well you know it was too late so I said I'm sorry we'll do it we'll talk about it for the next year so we saw that in 2002 we saw that in mama's 2002 toy drive and I was hoping to get in 2002 toys for 2002 for children not me from Girdville but other places well in the community when I started telling people about it they started already Christmas and July and actually bringing back up the first year that we did it we got like 10,000 toys and so I got Lenny Brobert I'm sure some of you know Lenny Brobert I said Lenny he's an officer in San Francisco I said Lenny I got too many toys who could we give toys to because he works in like the projects the vet area of San Francisco because Brenda Brenda's house so I said fine I said give me a list of the children's age and the boy girl that kind of thing and Brenda had two of three neighbors and they're all like grandmothers old grandmothers raising their grandkids because they're stupid kids all in jail and so we back up everything and then Lenny and I go to the project and deliver all the toys to Brenda's house and the kids that when we come in there the kids like hi officer Lenny hi mama and they just the grandparents cry every every year every year the grandma and the granddad they just cry they appreciate what the family does so we've been doing that this has been the ninth year for them and so anyhow that was the first year and I was like oh that cut is over except a lot of my house is nothing but toys which is wonderful my back you know I have a fatty or everything but it was wonderful and then the second year before even Christmas started oh mama right now we know what you do you know they own store then they have old toys if you're old brandy we don't accept these toys and if you want some they'll bring it to you I never say no to anything this man pulls up on you all and I look I've got to admit I'm not being fooled because I had no place to put it sure enough it was like act so my garage was filled and so I was talking to somebody in San Francisco and the story goes oh my donation would be to get you a storage in San Francisco because I do not live in San Francisco and it's like 30 miles away so mama I'll get you a truck to come and load up old toys and I'll pay for a storage for you what a blessing so he did that for the past four years so all the toys are he pays for the storage and it's right there where it belongs it's wonderful great so what about you is the most misunderstood does anybody understand me he actually says cocktail that's fair what's your greatest challenge in my life I was going through the divorce and maintaining people at home so like a year later we broke up and I got the house this challenge was pinging that out on my two kids but they were little so I did daycare I had a license there so I did daycare during the day and the ones who were going and a bottle pod going home and the bottle pod nurses and doctors, their kids those are around the pod but I kept my house what about people most polices when they're good to others they're mean and rude and nasty but I don't know too many people like that you're burning through a lot of my questions very quickly I had prepared about pretty quick have you tattoos any special yes this one especially that's the last one I got it says family I think it was south leather class about four years ago and I don't know if you guys know Jenna she's a tattoo artist and I was introduced she was going to do tattoos that weekend and I was introduced to her and she said mom I know you and your family and I was wanting to get a symbol of a family and something or other and she said she doesn't know anything and she goes I have this vision of having like a tattoo for you with a family I said bless you a lot that's exactly what I wanted and so she said I'll have something for you I'm going to sketch out something for you and you let me know what she did this and when I saw it I sat there and I did my crime thing and it didn't even hurt because I love this so much and I don't remember putting that needle to my arm I don't remember this one was like the most beautiful tattoo ever so that's because of my family great well in part of my research I learned that you've always wanted to be a fight artist oh yes I'm cool now when I can die and come back I will be what's your desire there I was quite clever and I remember being about 12 years old and my parents they said you know what do you want for Christmas I said I want a leather jacket and they said no because people are going to think they're a tramp I told you so and I said please and then my cousin Freddie he was like two years older he got the leather jacket so what we used to do we used to all go to school together me and my regular jacket he used to get that me wore his leather jacket to school then take it off and give it back to him and it was such a joy but I always loved leather um so that's it well I'm also told that you speak fluent Spanish so you've over heard a few conversations during IML with some of the hotel staff tell us a bit about that I was so rude and I was not drinking the next week so right now around four or five years ago my boys and I were walking to our room just getting in tired and they were keeping they were calling very bad words because they were even nodding things in the room for them to pick up and I was like oh my god and so we went and unpacked and we came back down they were still talking and they were being kept on getting I guess after even if they went to it got worse and worse for them so their conversation was in Spanish and I understand Spanish and so I finally had to so anyhow so the boys didn't say anything about it so we went down, we had a brunch or something I had my little cocktail we came up and just doing talking and so I said in his class you know pardon me I said that every gay man is that dirty I've been listening to your conversation you know earlier today and it's a oh put your arms up I said no don't be a star I said you don't want to pick up naughty things from the room tell the manager it's not your job to pick up they were saying anyhow you know what I'm talking about and I said it's not your job to pick up this nasty thing I said he said it I said not all of them are like that every gay person is nasty like this and so she apologized and you know and I don't know what happened after that but I didn't hear any more talking after that were they very surprised they were so they all looked at me like oh my god this is the end of a totally shocked and that boys were like going in a room put the key in this so in building on that a little bit what preconceived notions have people had about you who does that mean ideas that they've had before they've met you opinions they've formed without knowing you I think a few of them they think they're afraid to approach me they think maybe I I don't know what are your favorite items of the letter of course what about what about do you like um I like when I'm singed to you so it feels so good you know anything goes in it's right place it's bigger I love wearing my corset do you only like one no I have way too many I don't like any of them and I'll tell you a little story about my corset because some of you have seen me wear the black one with the red trimming thing on it so we went to Gurrenville and we came back and I parked my car at one of my boy's house and get up in the morning to get in my car that had busted the window out of my car they stole my suitcase with two of my corsets three of my flauters and all my little things and because everything was gone so I'm totally panicked so I called my brother so one of my family remember her name is she's a drag queen he's Steve Crawford but his drag name is Snatch so his mom is Snatch and I told him this story because oh my god it's probably you know that I forgot that area they called there with all the 50's and stuff they call it now exactly and he actually went there and he says mama when I walked in that store I thought I was going to find it he said I looked up and they had their red corset up there for $30 they had all my stuff up on the wall so she said that's mama I'm going to do it right now and I got all my stuff except my handcuffs but my flauters one of my daddies gave me a really beautiful one that was way up there for like $20 hello but I got my stuff back that's great yeah I was very fortunate absolutely so tell us about the mama's party doll that you received well we told you that oh my god well there's got to be a good story so I used to have barbecues at my house told that you like barbecues and you invite three people and you expect maybe eight or nine so every year I'm getting bigger and bigger so we used to do to kill the shots out of the bottle and we were drinking and we got more messed up so I drank the tequila so one of the boys one year for my birthday he gave me a Barbie doll hair almost like this a mask because I love wearing masks a mask the nipples were pierced like mine with a chain going wounds up to ears like I have tight pants and I looked at this thing and I go oh my god I wish I was looking that good so what they did was they bought the doll that bought it in July and they had a bottle of tequila they strapped her legs around her ear and everybody had to do mama so my mama came out sat in the bottle and he was like mama tell us a bit about masks what is it what appeals to you there I have several of it actually I donated it I put it inside and actually I got money for it because they're like I'm getting older this hard being I'm trying to do all this extra stuff I got good money when I set it up for a southern auction but I love masks and I had his name is Toro in San Francisco and one day he looked at me and I didn't know who he was and he says man come here and I'm like me and he goes he goes I make leather masks and I want to make him one so I said really and all I could think was like a hood type thing and I said really he goes yeah he said he's got a card call me up and I'll make a mask he does it for your face individually so I went there of course I told my boys with me and he did the most beautiful mask it's hard to describe but one had horns I love things with horns and one of them is like a full face mask with big ears and horn it's absolutely died for so the first year I think it was a dual real call so I put that on and everybody's like oh my god and he actually gave it to me sold it to me for like a hundred bucks which I was like this is kind of cheap and when he wanted me to do invention which is what happened I knew people that have a word of mouth and he usually charges like $600 for his mask and whoever wears any of you who have ever worn a mask and how sweaty it is it does not get that way so I wore it false and everybody went crazy over so then I got him to vent at false and I said put a tape right there and you're bending feel whatever I gave him all the information and he went like that so then he for thanking me for all the money that he made he made me three other ones and I think on that slide that you had earlier just one or two that I wore before that I liked from him cool well you burned through most of my questions I only got one left I had 42 questions but in wrapping up my formal part of the interview what will be your legacy and my family before concluding that what I'd like to do is I've got a video that I'd like to show and after that we'll open up the floor and I hope some people have some questions to answer I don't have time to give birth absolutely and if you credit cards out I'm going to be asking for money for elegant and feminine cool a little bit of video here what I'm going to do really quickly I'm just going to slide it share with you viewers how are you so listen I just wanted to say that it was nice to meet you and I promise to credit cards out to the family this is everything on three months three months and you raised over $1,800