 Thank you so much for all speakers, and now we are moving to the third session, Reaching Global Like Minds Minded. This session will be moderated by Mr. Bimo Duisatrio. He is a senior research officer at C4 and his patient from the environment led him to study environmental management and development at the Crawford School of Public Policy under the Australian National University, where he received a master's degree in 2017. Before joining C4, he was a research assistant at the University of Indonesia's Center for Anthropological Studies. Offer to you, Bimo, you have 20 minutes for your session. Thank you very much, Basita, for the comprehensive introduction. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, everyone. Welcome to the third session of the day, Reaching Global Like Minded session. I will be serving as your moderator at this session. So we have seven minutes presentation from each presenter. You'll be hearing a presentation from Professor Dr. Haruni Kriznawati. She is a principal researcher in the National Research and Innovation Agency, Republic of Indonesia, or BRIN, and also ITPC lead coordinator. As a researcher, Professor Kriznawati has over 20 years of experience in forest management and climate change issue. She will have a presentation about the effectiveness of knowledge platform in the ITPC related initiative. We will also have Michael Doherty here today joining us. Michael Doherty is an acting director of communication alters and engagement of C4Ecraft, Michael versus C4Ecraft Global Communication, Outreach and Engagement, and also lead digital communication for the GLF. Professor Buaruni, the time and the floor is yours, please. Okay, thank you, Bimo. If anyone can help me to share representation, please. Good afternoon, colleagues, ladies and gentlemen, and good morning or good evening, colleagues from other parts of the world. I'm Haruni Kriznawati, principal researcher currently with the National Research and Innovation Agency, and previously with the Ministry of Environment and Forestry. It is my pleasure to be here with our distinguished speakers in case of the national workshop on the role of science on the development of forest reference emission levels. In this session, I've been requested to share the effectiveness of knowledge platform in the ITPC related initiatives. As you may know, I'm also assigning or managing the Secretariat of the International Tropical Financial Center, ITPC. Next slide, please. For some of you who may not be familiar with the ITPC, ITPC is International Tropical Financial Center, where the establishment of ITPC was initiated during the Global People and Initiative Partner Meetings in Brazil in March 2018. And as a further step, high-level social exchange roles the Minister of Indonesia and the Republic of Congo, and a representative from the Republic of Congo, we asked you to be during a working week in Indonesia in late October 2018 to deepen the sharing of quick-lence knowledge, management, and governance. The ITPC is coordinated by the Ministry of Environment and Forestry, and currently we have four member countries, Indonesia, ROC, DRC, and Peru, has been joining us since July last year. The working week actually culminated in launching the International Tropical Financial Center, where the three governments of Indonesia, ROC, and DRC, which support from international organizations, including UN Environment Programme, FIO, and CIFORs, announced a collaboration to form the ITPC, acknowledging the importance of occupations at global, regional, and national level, and addressing climate change, protecting biodiversity and environment, and contributing to the social, economic welfare of people, also recognizing the need to increase respectability through collaboration, through remote-based practice for conservation and sustainable management of people, and also committing to common interests in tropical heatlands and ongoing efforts by government and partners to conserve at many minutes in a sustainable manner, and also committing to strengthening networking and collaboration. Next slide. Recognizing the importance of such-such actions, the role of ITPC is expected to serve as a go-to space for such-sort cooperation, which will support the dissemination of strategy and practice for tropical heatland management through coordinating and supporting collaborative international relationships and connecting different stakeholders, and also conduct and disseminate scientific research on tropical heatland management for sustainable developments, and it is also expected to become a center of excellent for tropical heatland research to support policy development and provide capacity building and technical services. Next slide. Built on the knowledge and expertise of our diverse partners, we have been developing ITPC knowledge platform, connecting knowledge and research to people. This platform is actually to be used as a go-to space for information on heatlands and provides space of users to browse, share, search, and contribute to a variety of knowledge products. In addition, the platform is in the form of a website that synthesizes disparate knowledge on heatland and also can be used as a tool for knowledge exchange and capacity building including knowledge on forest reference and emission level, particularly on heatland ecosystem, and interconnects individuals through the expected directory, and it can be used as one-stop knowledge shop. Next slide. The objective of knowledge platform includes a tool for knowledge exchange and capacity building and access media for community of practice on sustainable heatlands, and also help disseminate policy and base practice experience on sustainable tropical heatland management, including the one that is being discussing today and the development of forest reference, particularly on the context of heatland ecosystem, and to provide a platform on which truly capture and showcase all relevant and publicly available knowledge relating to heatland information and to increase awareness and discoverability of heatland-related open data, and to enable secondary use by disseminating and communicating available knowledge on tropical heatlands, and of course, we can promote the birth of new knowledge on heatlands. Next slide. Here is the architecture of the knowledge platform, which consists of knowledge repository, expert directory, and collaborative platform that can be used as a tool to enable people to reach all the experts and also to communicate with other experts of people in the knowledge producer or knowledge and knowledge users. Next slide, please. Through the platform, as you can see, we have expanded the ITPC network, not just focusing on ITPC heatland countries, but also expanding to the global, including the North countries. Next slide. The current feature of the ITPC knowledge platform is to encourage output discovery, expert finding, and also network analysis. But the next improvement, there will be additional functions and features that meet from the static directory becoming more attractive. And of course, we would like to invite all data providers who has knowledge on heatland to submit their work and make it available to the public under, of course, under agreed data sharing protocol and retro-development of collaborative platform, including, yeah, between knowledge providers, knowledge producer, and knowledge user on heatlands. Next. I think before finishing my presentation, I would like to say that ITPC could offer the valuable opportunities for collaboration and sharing of lesson learned in heatlands policy and decision-making process. And through this platform and collaborative approach, it will enable ITPC to enlarge the networks and also to enhance information to facilitate the unique peer-to-peer action of base practice in order to scale up and improve management action for healthy heatlands. By working this way, we expect that we can have countries, especially at current with the ITPC, other ITPC heatland countries, to make this well informed decision and to develop the management and policy option, including the development of resource reference and mission level, particularly on the end of the question. I think that's all that I can share in this session. Within the limited time provided, seven minutes. And thank you. I offer to you back to Mr. Moderator Masimo. Thank you very much, Ibu Harumi. Very comprehensive presentation and also very timely. We now know from Ibu Harumi the presentation that there's a knowledge platform that to showcase our relevant information from the richness information from the heatland. So now we are continuing for the second presentation from Michael. Michael will present about the global knowledge platform embedding AFREL in networks for innovation, co-creation and action. Michael, the floor is yours. Thank you very much, Ibu. And can I have my presentation, please? Great. Okay. So this is actually going to be a bit of a, there's some overlap here with what Harumi just presented. I'll take a little bit of a step back and talk a little bit more about knowledge platforms in general. Why do we have them and what's the benefit of them? So if we can have the next slide, please. So if we really step back and say, well, why do people collect and share knowledge? So here's three examples. The first one is the library at Alexandria from the second century BC. So those were something like 40 to 400,000, you know, papyrus scrolls that were stored in that library. That's kind of the oldest and largest, most famous library. And then another one is the Yongle Da Dian. It's an encyclopedia from the main dynasty. It was also something like 22,000 scrolls, I believe, that was also an encyclopedia. So again, an effort to kind of gather knowledge. And then another example is Diderot's Encyclopedia. This was from France during the Enlightenment. And there was sort of this effort to, you know, collect all the knowledge of the world into one kind of compendium. So I guess looking at these knowledge platforms, it's not really something that is that new, even though we may be using new technologies to do it. So my first question was, well, why do we even do that? So if we look at the next slide, thank you. So what are the benefits of this? And, you know, there's all, we always hear things, you know, knowledge is power and things like that. But what is that, how does that really work? And I think what we're looking at is a kind of a recipe between, you know, explicit knowledge. So that's knowledge that exists in books and documents and papers, presentations and so forth. Taxic knowledge, which is the knowledge that, you know, we carry in our bodies. And then kind of the result of that. So, you know, the benefits of these knowledge platforms is they aggregate relevant content. So, you know, you can have content around frail, greenhouse gas emissions, you know, peatland management, so forth. It improves access. So it makes a place where everyone can go to get knowledge. It ensures consistency of terms and concepts. So you can hear that even in the conversation today, you know, there's a lot about, okay, well, how are we defining that? How are we using those terms? What do they mean? A knowledge platform can be a place that helps to define those terms and help them to use consistently. And it reduces contact volume. So contact volume is the number of times someone has to ask for something. You know, oh, I have to ask Michael for that document. And then someone else has to ask me for that document, someone else. Now, if there's a, you know, if there's a platform, a website world that's available, that contact volume goes down, it makes it more accessible to people. And then there's the taxid side, and this is kind of where creativity happens. So this is where we interact with people, the way we're doing today. So tax acknowledge increases active learning and engagement. It creates opportunities for innovation and co-creation. And it builds networks, right? So I think all of those things are happening today. And that's another huge benefit of the knowledge chain platforms. We put all of that together. What we're getting is a kind of improved performance of, you know, an organization or an effort or an activity. So we have, you know, from all of that we can enhance our decision making, we improve our problem solving, and we strengthen our leadership in a given area. So there's a lot of, you know, really, you know, real efficiencies and growth possible through these kind of knowledge sharing platforms. Okay, next slide. So I've used the ITPC. So, and Haruni just presented this, I'm not going to go into a lot of detail about how it works. But just for example, so you take the knowledge hub, which Haruni just described, it has, you know, something of almost 800 publications and datasets and so forth. But within that, just for an example, there's the global wetlands map, which is a massive resource unto itself, and a whole little, you know, a whole kind of world of valuable information around global wetlands distribution worldwide, that is then just one piece of this much larger dataset. So the ability to share that kind of information is a great example of the kind of richness of these kinds of platforms. Next slide. And the second one is this expert directories. So this is also, it's just presented, but, you know, what I quite like about this is the way we have these, you know, we're taking people and we're looking at kind of, okay, what is their profile? What skills do they have? What kind of works have they completed? What kind of network do they involve? And then creating a kind of global network. I mean, I think this is actually a really brilliant kind of service or product or whatever you'd want to call it. But the ability to connect people on this level is really, really great. So that if we go to the next slide, so this is where I think we really, you know, take people and create networks and create kind of co-learning. So these are just some few examples of some ITVC events, but, you know, you can see, you know, looking at the South-South cooperation, managing arbitrage heatlands, the knowledge platform event, this high-level ministerial dialogue, heatlands super nature-based solution, like that one, GLF, why heatlands matter, and there's the capacity building on the on-ground diagnostic and uncertainty analysis, which is what we've got today. So, I mean, these are just examples of a few of the events that have been led. But, you know, if we look at kind of the, you know, an event like GLF, GLF, I've been, you know, very involved in that, but that's a, that is another network, right? And that network is, is quite large. So GLF has reached one and a half billion people. It's engaged 60,000 youth and 8,000 organizations. It's, you know, so by, by, you know, the ITVC engaging in that platform, then it's extending its reach and amplifying its reach. So, and I think that's a really important aspect of how these kind of global knowledge networks work on the next slide. So if we look at, look at this, we say, okay, so here's ITVC and the Global Peatlands Initiative. So these are members within just two of these kind of network platforms, right? So suddenly we're connecting all of these networks and we're connecting them to other networks. So, you know, all of the information that is being shared here today is also being, can be shared through these networks and through these platforms. And this is how, you know, there's a kind of multiplier effect. And this is really a, you know, a mechanism for, to achieve change at a global level. And, you know, if we look at, you know, think what we're talking about today, these are global issues and we need global solutions. So engaging and supporting these kinds of networks is absolutely critical to realizing, you know, true global change. So, and I left an end, dot, dot, dot there, because of course there's many, many more organizations and people that we do need to engage. But I think that these, these networks and knowledge platforms are extremely valuable and we should continue to support them. And I think that's it. Next slide. Thank you very much, Michael, for the comprehensive presentation and also timely. I think what I have as a key message is that we are getting connected and connected. There's one question for Ibu Haruni from Mas Imam. Hello, Mas Imam. One question is how and will ITPC play a role in providing science to improve AFREL, for example, to add avoiding pit fires and rewetting drain pit into IPCC standard method in calculating emission reduction from pitlands or wetlands? Please, Haruni. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Mas Imam, for your question. I think that's a good question as we share with you from outside and also has been also supported by Michael from C4 that actually the purpose of the ITPC is actually also to facilitate or disseminate scientific research related on science and tropical pitlands which has been produced by our experts, our authors, and through the knowledge platform we can share and we can disseminate the research findings from the authors, from the expert, through other users, through other, like, to other tropical countries and also including Indonesia. And we also provide the support through the capacity buildings and some technical services based on the science that has been produced by all pitlands experts or the authors. So this is, I think, some things that we can be part of the communities. ITPC has been, so far we have been hosting several scientific sessions as Michael Duherti has been shared with you. Some of that is also sharing the knowledge on tropical pitlands, especially how to improve emission factors and contributing to the science on tropical pitlands, especially also for developing and improving the forest reference emission level. Of course, because ITPC is established for the pitlands, so we work particularly on a tropical pitland ecosystem. Thank you. Thank you very much, Buharuni. I observe no question from Michael, but I think we can still ask questions from the next session, the wrap-up session. So thank you very much, Buharuni, for your very rich presentation and also Michael, for your presentation as well. I think we can continue to the next session. So thank you very much. I will return the session to Sita. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Pa Bimo, for your assistance in to be a moderator in session three, also our research persons. And now we will move to the last session. The last session is the wrap-up session. This session will be moderated by Dr. Rupesh Bhumia. Dr. Rupesh Bhumia is a trained wetland bio geosanist and his research has focused on studying tropical freshwater swamps to coastal systems across broad environmental and longitudinal gradients. As a climate change and carbon expert, he has contributed to other regional activities pertaining to national reporting of nationally determined contributions or indices. Please welcome Dr. Rupesh Bhumia. Thank you, Sita. A very good afternoon to everyone, all colleagues joining from Indonesia and a good morning and good evening to others who are joining globally. It is a distinct pleasure to participate in this session and to hear all the technical and very informative sessions so far. And I'm pretty impressed by the level of participation we have seen. This program has been going on for more than two hours and we have more than 120 participants still. So this is very good. In this last wrap-up session, I will try to be brief and honoring your time and commitment, try to keep the presentation short and meaningful in terms of sort of a wrap-up and take-home message. So without further ado today, in this last session, our first speaker is going to be John Charles Schrues. We call him JC for easy pronunciation and he is team leader for our research to impact team. At C4 eCRAP, it is tremendously important for our organization to ensure that all of our work, including new research results, are conspicuous and perceptible and they show the impact. And for that, colleagues from JC's team are very good in assessing that. JC is team leader for this team and he is here to share some insights on steps for monitoring impacts of this Frell project which was undertaken by C4 eCRAP in the last two years. JC is an economist by training and brings almost two decades of experience in monitoring and evaluation across various countries in several continents. Over the years, he has specialized in the design and implementation of monitoring, evaluation and learning systems of impact-oriented quantitative and qualitative research. He, his main focus as C4, is on sustainability of research effectiveness and today he is going to share how that is to be done and planned for this particular project. So JC, I welcome you to this session and the floor is yours to share your insights with us. Thank you. Yeah, thank you very much Rupesh for the very kind introduction. I have some slide to share. Let me, let me do that now if I can. Yeah, slide, okay. But maybe first of all, for me, this is a wrap up session and to be honest for me, it has been fascinating to hear and listen to all the presentations. I learned a lot actually because definitely I'm not an expert in FL and it's very interesting to see so much has been done to improve the FL and so much also in easing the making to further improve the FL for the next calculation of the of the forest reference emission levels. So all this quantitative and scientific outputs actually is very much impressive. And you will see actually that on the on the other end, the monitoring and evaluation modalities that we have been thinking of for this particular project is predominantly qualitative. And because actually our main focus for this for this project is to also assess the level of change in in policy and in practice. So most most of our money monitoring and evaluation effort has been focusing on this outcome level. And so I will try to explain a little bit more why we are focusing on this and how we are going to do this across across C4aCraft portfolio in general for for similar projects. So there is definitely a growing demand for for research impact. C4aCraft research approach has evolved to to be more trans transdisciplinary, more engaged. And therefore therefore the research really very much contributes to systems transformations through multiple impact pathways. And it really much requires new ways of measuring research impact. And here you have a description of the type of services that the quality for impact unit at C4aCraft provides to design impactful research and engagement interventions and assess research impact. So Q4i has a wide range of MNE and impact assessment tools and services at both institutional and project level. And here you have some examples ranging from from designing impactful research and engagement interventions using theory of change, for instance, to also conducting impact and outcome evaluations across C4aCraft portfolio. And for so for this particular project and similar project looking at policy and practice change, the project so the project MNE modalities depend very much on the project design, the objectives, as well as the key evaluation questions that need to be addressed. So for a project such as the FL project that has a strong science to policy outcome component, and for which we we aim to track research findings of take inquiry processes, as I mentioned earlier, are very much predominantly of a qualitative nature. So the idea is to be able to to generate qualitative insight from the project by establishing standardized protocols and tools at the beginning of the project. And doing so it's much easier for us to process and collect results. So some tools we've used over the years for this project and for other similar projects are listed here. So of course, the theory of change for the project, obviously, it's not it's not a suggestion, it's very much a necessity. It's a participatory process that can help bring together relevant actors and create a shared vision and understanding of the project objectives. We also use a lot the outcome influence log, which is an internal tool recording observations and evidence that indicate who is influenced by the project and how it can also capture and document knowledge products uptakes over time. And it feels very much into regular project reporting and end of project evaluation. We have also the story of change and this particular product to use a theory based approach. And it's designed to identify as precisely as possible how an outcome came about as a result of stakeholder actions and also identify enabling all the enabling environment factors. I will come back to that in the next slide with a concrete example. And and finally, something that we have been using more and more as well to capture knowledge gains to capture awareness raising is the the science to policy event evaluations. It could be also evaluations of trainings to really capture knowledge uptakes and knowledge gains on specific topics. So I mentioned the story of change. So actually, back in in 2021, Seafreycraft published a story of change on FL using a theory based approach. So we have here in screenshot of the theory of change that was developed at the time to assess the achievement of high level outcomes from Seafrey research. Also on capacity building and various other engagement activities that support government of Indonesia in estimating and managing carbon stocks of topical forest and wetland landscapes. So I will not go into the details here. It's published and available on the website, but just some key findings were that, in particular, the co-production of robust credible data and knowledge products, in turn, building the capacity of key personnel and stakeholders and the creation of the platform for communication, engagement and outreach at multiple levels, not only national but international levels, effectively contributed to achieving the desired change that we had for the project. So Rupesh, you mentioned the next steps in the monitoring and evaluation of this particular project. So the last milestone in our M&E strategy for the FL project is the design and execution of independent final project evaluation to assess how much the project has achieved in terms of outcomes, desired outcomes, and its contribution to impact. So this will be, again, a participatory and learning oriented exercise. All the data and information generated by the project will be the main evaluation base that will be used for this evaluation. And actually, we are still refining the list of key evaluation questions that will guide this evaluation. And actually, all the inputs you shared during this workshop will help us refine this list of evaluation questions. So it was very important for us to be here. And before we commission this final evaluation, actually, we would like to hear from you and we can come back to that later before the closing of this event. But as we do regularly, we would very much like to hear from you and invite all of you who participate in this event to share your opinion and feedback on the different sessions that you have been listening to. And if you don't mind, I will later on copy paste this link to the cobalt questionnaire that we have prepared for you so that you can voice your opinion. And I'm available if you have any other question on this later on. Thank you very much. Over to you, Rupesh. Thank you, JC. It was a very brief and succinct and very good overview. I welcome you to share the link where I chat with all of our participants. I'd like to also mention that this feedback and evaluation form can be filled in both English and Varsha. So you will have an option to choose whichever language you prefer and complete it. What is interesting is what JC explained about the monitoring evaluation of the project. And in some ways, Frell is part of the monitoring MRV tool for the UNFCC. So this is an interesting thing. We are all talking about monitoring and evaluation all day long. So without further ado, we are a little bit over the time as scheduled for this event. But I would like to invite Padéniel to share some of the reflections of the event and maybe perhaps invite some of the distinguished guests and invited speakers or presenters or scientists from brain and agencies who are with us in this room and maybe briefly want to share their reflections and their thoughts about this whole process, about Frell and Indonesia's efforts towards reporting emissions reduction and so on and so forth. So I do not need to introduce Padéniel. Everyone in this room know him. So without wasting further time, Padéniel over to you. Thank you. Thank you, Rupesh. Well, my intention really is to involve colleagues from Bryn in this very session where JC is expecting feedback, especially on how Frell that's been exercised in the past two years, the assessment, the calculation, the keywords from him is from policy to practice. So we have been producing science. We have been producing knowledge that can be carried over to the science policy dialogue. I was observing Mego Pinandito in this room. He is the deputy of Bryn who is responsible for policy and development. But I don't see him anymore. I'm not sure if other colleagues like Ibu Juni, Rahayu, I also see in the conversation in the chat room Ibu Erna Adinengsi. If you both professors from Bryn can express your impression and comments on this process today, we would very much value that opinion and views so that we can shape how the evaluation of this process can be done by JC's and his team. First of all, I would like to invite Ibu Juni, Professor Juni Rahayu and then Professor Erna Adinengsi. Thank you very much, Paa Dania. Good afternoon, good warming and good evening everyone. It's great for me to join with this workshop and this very important opportunity. I will confess for our important points related to this important workshop along with the expectation and way forward action for the programs. From the information of the result of FRL 1 and 2 which was delivered by the speaker in the previous session, it was very inspiring and lightning for me especially because I think this is the first time for me to know about the progress of the FRL and the planning information for the first FRL and the second FRL was explained by Mr. Arif. It's very clear and that the plan for increasing this FRL and with the support or addition of technology and methodology including anthropogenic factors is very important for the improving of the second FRL. This is a very important thing that has to be considered by us and I agree also Paa Dania with what Crystal has mentioned especially regarding to the second FRL especially for the bull which will be concentrated on pit and main groups ecosystem only and specifically for soil with a concentration on pit ecosystem. For the parameter of emission in particular the effect of forest fire in the second FRL calculation is also a good idea to in turn I think yeah because we know that the methane is very important have the negative impact to the human and also to the environment. Now I will also mention about the step for the implementation of the second FRL. This will not be done without the support of many stakeholders and also supporting from supporting budgets. At the same time its success will also be supported by very excellent researcher stakeholder in the local community as already explained by Papak Rudi from Warsi it's very enlightening and I think it's very good very good lesson learned which is this project is very important and then gives the benefit to the local community and important things to answer the challenge of the second FRL in supporting the Paris Agreement it requires the improvement of the stakeholder with supporting of the standardized scientific data as already explained clearly by Ibu Ana and of course the secondary data support and from the latest research result need to be considered and we and we also have several research from the Resurcenter for Ecology and Ethnobiology from Breen if it maybe it might be supported also for the second FRL. I think this is our college from Resurcenter for Ecology Ethnobiology have many data also would be support with this second FRL. At last another important thing that was mentioned by the speaker in the third session related to the network and knowledge platform to improve the ability of the practitioners to support the successful of FRL we have to think that now it's very very important with the improvement of the internet and also for artificial intelligence and the others related to the yeah and Breen which is a research institution that has also collaborated with C4 several times and produced several international journals it's ready it's all of of course ready to support and cooperate with related stakeholder for the sustainability of the FRL programs and we believe that the result of this project will be useful in supporting the implementation of the national program to support the mandate of the Paris Agreement but also benefit with the conservation program and the surrounding community. Thank you Pa Danil. Thank you Ibu Yuni. Rupesh do we still have time for one more comment maybe three minutes from Ibu Erna. Yes please Pa Danil that's a good opportunity for three minutes we should take it. Thank you thank you Ibu Erna you have three minutes I saw your conversation in the chat room about data I remember when Osvaldo was mentioning about uncertainty there is also huge uncertainty in activity data which is based on remote sensing mainly and you are the the Executive Director of Indonesian Space Agency within Breen how do you see this potential collaboration in the future or process in improving FRL future FRL I'm not necessarily second maybe third or fourth using much more improved activity data in the context of your new role in in Breen because the uncertainty is multiplicative if you multiply it by emission factor and error in the model of land use would be very much you know affecting and it's need a very accurate one three minutes Ibu Erna. Okay thank you Pa Danil. Good afternoon and good morning everyone yes just now since Breen is quite a new huge research organization Indonesia and is the one at the only research organization Indonesia I mean government organization so that in which before we in the previous time that that so many research center under different ministry under different institutions now become to one big organization and it's quite a big much bigger opportunities for for collaborative research particularly in the tropical regions in Indonesia because Indonesia is a kind of a live laboratory for for forest and yeah forest research and in this regard I think for the remote sensing data the this is still a continued center as well as so many centers under Breen 85 research center in total so it's quite a big research organization so not only for example in a forest research in a social economic research human dimension of climate change as well as from the space technology based research so this is kind of a good opportunity and I think what Dr. Iman Idayat in the in his in his open remarks also mentioned about the he will come with the collaborative activities not only in TO and of course with the uh bigger resources including the data what we have to improve in the future is the robust method to ensure the applicability of any any data information derived from not only space base or space technology but also from the field measurements so this I think is a good opportunity and we will come to a more productive and enhanced such as what we heard from from Ibu Harune, from the previously she is from the Ministry of Informant and Forestry but now she's become the one of the researchers under Breen and myself also previously under the space agency but now uh yeah working with Breen so this is my uh yeah just brief comment thank you thank you Ibu Erna and Ibu Harune certainly everybody is looking at you you've been working a lot in f rel and now you have a thin Breen not with Breen but within Breen so everybody in this room is expecting so much for the uh productive interaction in the future especially on the f rel related research so we very much hoping that Ibu Harune can facilitate this process in the future between scientists working on f rel previously and and in the future when we are collaborating with Breen as well as with BSI in the Ministry of Forestry Rupesh I also take some minutes to put some comments from my own perspective thank you very much for having us to introduce colleagues from Breen in your session. Thank you Patenya it was very very good and very nice reflections from the scientists and members of this agency and as you said we look forward to these opportunities and that interactions and conversations and that's how I guess the today's session or today's workshop was on the role of science but this kind of dialogue and discussion underpins that kind of advancement in science and be very much fortunate to be part of this discussion. I would hand over this session to our MC Sita to formally close the session and thank you everyone for your contributions. Yeah thank you very much for all research person also attendees for your enthusiasts and active participation during this event and before we leave this room I would like to remind you that the organizer will share a link for post-even feedbacks of faith and kind of fill the form you would like to hear your feedback so in the next in the next meeting we could do better but I'm sorry in advance for taking a few minutes of your time longer than 10 once again thank you very much for all your support see you another time and keep healthy. Bye bye. Thank you very much and thank you everybody.