 Hey, everyone, welcome to a special video here at Nintendo Prime. We have a little discussion video for the weekend. As you can already see on your screen, it's featuring Mr. RGT-85, Sean himself. How's everyone doing? Hope everyone's having a good weekend. If that's when you're watching it or whenever you're watching this video, I hope you're having a nice day. I mean, probably having a nicer day than Nick's fans have every single day. Oh, we've got to bring some changes to the table. I feel bad throwing shake because like it's been 50 years since we won a title. So like now that we've got one, you know. No, I mean, you've got a well built team. None of that. I want to go play with my friends, Nonsense, which I hate teams like that, like your Lakers and stuff like that. It's a well built team, you know, lucked in the honest. Yeah, the key to everything because he's not a I don't he stayed and said screw it. I don't want to leave and play with other people. So I mean, even Middleton like Middleton was a G League. It was a G League player. And then he, you know, he got bumped up to an NBA team. So no, I respect the Bucks. I like watching them just not when they play the next. Obviously, obviously, we didn't have to see you in the playoffs last year because you guys couldn't. Well, we won't go through that again. All right, guys. Well, we're here today to talk about the game awards because obviously if you guys could, I know we have several people that watch both of our channels. We aren't kind of opposite sides of how we feel about the game awards. This year and probably just in a more general sense because I feel like I don't know about you, but a lot of times I see like kind of the same reactions to the game awards every single year. People just don't like it. It is what it is. They don't like the way it's set up. Sometimes there's a couple announcements that care about like, oh, it was cool. You know, like Nintendo fans are probably all happy when Breath of the Wild was shown back in twenty sixteen and twenty fourteen. And then when it won game of the year in twenty seventeen, I'm sure they were all happy then. Nintendo fans, they were happy with Sephiroth last year, but then they probably hated the rest of the game awards. Xbox fans were probably happy back when the series X was announced with Hellblade, and then it's kind of sort of one of those things where I think a lot of the reactions to the game awards come down to. Did they give me what I wanted? And if they didn't, then the strangeness of a lot of the other stuff happening really stands out. So on my end of things, I think it starts with how I approach the game awards. One, I approach as a Jeff Kealy event because those are always different than everything else in the industry, for better or for worse, because he very much likes his music. I could do without sting. I could definitely even like I was a pseudo sting fan. I don't think I've ever heard a sting song in my life that was intentionally listened to. The police were good. I like the police, which he was the lead singer of, you know, message in a bottle, walking on the moon, rock sand. Those are good songs, but that's not what he was playing. Yeah, solo stuff. I think it gets too weird. Yeah, see, I grew up. I was a nineties pop boy, so like Backstreet Boys. Even like where are you really? Yeah, totally, totally. And then like even today now, like, seriously, I was just listening to like Jason Derulo earlier and I'm like, how old am I right now? Like, I don't know. I don't know who that is. But I'll assume it's. Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying. You don't know who it's again. It's still pop music, but now it's like, you know, I'll change it up. And basically, if you ever go to a club or a GT, I don't know if you've been to one. It's kind of like the music they play there. Well, I mean, there's there's variants of clubs. I like, like the fancy clubs. No, I won't be there. I'll be at the CD clubs. I, you know, I like, I like, you know, a little, a little different sort of atmosphere, a little different atmosphere, a little different atmosphere. Let me guess, are you going to like one of those country ho-down clubs? No, no, none of those, none of those. I did, I have, I do know that Copperhead Road is a very popular song with the, with the white women who are a bit Southern because I used to live in the South and me and my buddy used to DJ. Yeah, that's a popular one. Yeah, we would do like weddings and stuff and like most of the weddings are cool, but some of them were like real dirty South weddings and it was like Skinner'd and like that and stuff. I mean, those, those were the easy events though because you literally just hit play like you're not trying to mix anything or anything or like, you know, trying to get people where all of them are just letting people dance. But yeah, no, I, I, not my cup of tea. That's all right. So obviously, you know, we get our music performances that and Imagine Dragons and all that. And honestly, I personally don't care about that. I do like the orchestra. I think the orchestra is obviously more fitting because orchestrated music is actually part of like most video games or AAA games these days. But, you know, I know I watched your video. You could give or take on orchestrated music. Not really your thing, but it's not like you were saying, Oh, just don't have it. Just, hey, I just don't really care. So I guess for me with the game awards, my whole approach to why I think it's actually fairly decent is unlike all the other events of the year, because I feel like all of us as gamers already sort of have the events we want. Like Nintendo fans, we have directs throughout the year. So many fans of state of play, you know, and so on for Xbox as well. PC really only has like, I guess the PC gaming show at E3. Whatever. I mean, every game from Xbox goes to PlayStation or to PC. So PlayStation games go over as well. So I guess you could say that's arguably PC related as well. But we have all these other events. We have obviously E3 as well, which is really just taking those individual events and just slamming them really close together. Other events, PlayStation experience. I don't know. There's a whole bunch of these things. We all know about it. But there's also other award shows. We have like the BAFTA Awards. We have the Game Developers Conference Awards. And there's one other I can't remember. But on all three of those, and I can think of our streamed online. Yeah, DICE Awards, DICE Awards. Yes. And most of these awards, not every year, but a lot of years are our streamed online and basically do not get covered by anybody. Right. IGN, I think, puts up one post about who won. Yeah, there's, you know, us. We're not out there live streaming on Twitch and YouTube and trying to, you know, react to things and even talking about them. Unless it's a particular favorite game of ours that happens to win a major award, we probably don't even bring it up. Right. But at the Game Awards, we do bring it up. And it's interesting because I think I believe you're on record that you just don't care about the awards themselves. Well, I mean, it's not that. I mean, for me personally, like it because of who is on the panel, you know, some of these people I don't think should be on the panel. I don't think Newsweek. I don't think Entertainment Weekly should be on the panel for this. So because of that, I feel like it sort of dilutes, you know, the value of the awards. Now, I could understand just that that's just me outside looking in. Personally, it does nothing for me. However, a game developer, you know, a sound technician, you know, a Q&A tester, if they win something, I could definitely understand why that's important to them, because those people don't get seen. Those people don't get heard. Nobody knows who those people are. They're essentially the faceless people behind the games themselves. And to be a game award show and going back to the orchestra to music, we had literally five minutes of orchestrated music for all of the Game of the Year nominees. And then for the Game of the Year winner, we had 50 seconds of speech time. Yeah. That to me is completely out of whack. Yeah. That part I do agree with in general. I think there was a pacing issue. And I don't know it's weird because it's live stream. So I'm not really sure why they have to stick to a strict schedule and couldn't just gave them like five minutes to talk. But I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. There's obviously some sort of strict schedule time limit they have to stick to. I don't know what it has to do with or what penalties they are if they go over time because obviously Paris was well aware of the time limit because he went up there and literally brought up the fact that he Hey, we're at like the time limit. So, you know, like well, even even another person that was up there talking after like 40 seconds, they made a quip that they were saying for them to wrap it up and it's like fuck. Oh, I'm not going to cuss. It's like it's okay. We swear on my channel. We're all good. Okay. I try not to say the F word on my channel. That's the only one I know. But it's like F you, you know, you don't tell me to wrap it up. This is this is my moment. Who are you and things like that bother me? I actually, I don't know if you saw this today, but Jeff Keeley was doing a Twitter Spaces and I have no idea what Twitter Spaces was. Yeah, I've never used it before. It wouldn't like would hit me up and he was like, dude, you won't join this. And I was like, we have to explain what it is first. And so he told me it was like, well, basically, you know, people go in there and discuss things. It's like a discord point. So I was like, I'll go in there. And so there was like a bunch of people in there and he was like, okay, now you got a request to be on there. And I was like, sure, I'll tell Jeff exactly what I always say. And so I called in and he actually took my call and we talked to like probably a good five, ten minutes about my grievances about the show. And you know, it was his home turf, you know, so I'm not going to, you know, be quite as vulgar and crude as I would be if it was on my channel, my home turf. But yeah, but I mean to be respectful. I just told them what my quips were, what my problems were. I don't need Hollywood infiltrating the game awards when the video game industry is bigger than Hollywood. And these are the people that and the music industry and the movie industry, every aspect of Hollywood is not as big as the video game industry. That's that's the King of the Mountain right now. As far as revenue is concerned, I don't like the fact that the show was, I mean, if you're including the pre-show, which they had announcements in, they had trailers in and they even gave away awards in it. I don't like the fact that the show was almost four hours long. There's no, there's no need for that. And I understand, I told them, I understand the business aspect of it, that, you know, how the, how the ads work and how, you know, companies submit their trailers and they want to be featured on the show so on and so forth. He explained, you know, there's tons of trailers that got cut, but I think when you look at this game awards, the main thing I took away from this was Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo pretty much no showed it. Sony showed another horizon trailer. Okay, we've seen that game. We know that what that game is bringing to the table. Microsoft showed a Hellblade 2, which was announced at the Game Award. So it's like, well, that shouldn't be a huge surprise. And still, it was mostly an in-game cut scene or an in-game engine doing a cut scene more so than what you'll actually be playing. And Nintendo didn't show up at all. You had Doug Bowser go up there and give a speech that was literally like a marketing campaign for Metroid Dread. Like this is a great action adventure game. Have you heard him publicly speak before? Like even when he's not on camera, he's very like, he's very timid. Yeah, he's very timid. He's not a very good public speaker. And that's another thing is like, I told Jeff, I was like, look, you know, I get that some people get up on stage and they probably shit their pants because they're not in front of a camera all the time. That one guy for GTFO. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I was so nervous. And I get that, but it's like, I feel there needs to be a better balance between the awards themselves and the show, you know, the entertainment aspect of it because I don't need staying. I don't need Imagine Dragons. I don't need Hollywood people doing a I forget the gentleman's name because I don't follow modern films with a guy with this phone. He was like, oh, sorry, I'm watching Halo on Twitch. I told I told Jeff, I was like, that sucked that bit sucked man, like he was like, oh, he came up with it himself. And I was like, yeah, but that's cool. But that that bit was longer than the people that got up there to talk could talk for. And you know, things like fighting game of the year, how are you just the fighting game genre is massive. It's absolutely massive. Why are we just skipping past these things? I think Jeff is a decent person. I always say that in every video where I criticize the game awards or talk about the game awards or just talk about Jeff himself, I always say, I feel he's a decent person. I understand that there's a balance because he asked me, he was like, well, how would you do the show? What would you do? And I was like, dude, I mean, that's a huge undertaking. You know, I would come up with some ideas, but I understand what you're saying with that. But at the same time, it's like, if you shortened it up, you got rid of most of the Hollywood stuff. You can still have a little things here. If it's tied into gaming in a realistic way, like Keanu Reeves. OK, he's an O.J. He gets a pass like that's fine. Plus they have a bad Matrix demo thing. And I don't think that should have been the final announcement, even could be already knew that should have been earlier in the show. But that's another thing that was the big bomb show was that now granted. Have you played that? Yeah, it's pretty intense. Grant, after 30 minutes, you're like, all right, I'm done with this. But those 30 minutes, you're like, it's really good. I don't actually think it even showed that well there. To be honest, it's when you put it on your system. It's like, OK, OK, I don't know why they didn't do a better gameplay cut for this, because this is actually really cool. And then you just I'm ready to go. The first few times you crash your cars after that, it's like, OK, I'm good. Yeah, I mean, my whole thing about the Game Awards is it's not the worst thing on the earth. But Jeff himself, I know you were comparing it to other game show awards, but Jeff himself always says he doesn't want it to be like those. He essentially on this spaces call, somebody asked him, you know, how he positioned this, how he sort of viewed it, and he essentially said that he sort of viewed it as a winter E3, as far as things like announcements and, you know, things of that nature. And I feel like the quality of the announcements was definitely lacking, especially compared to years past, no matter what platform you had, no matter what what, you know, system you champion for. It was just like there was a lot of fluff. There was a lot of filler. And it honestly felt like a waste of time to some degree because you could have skipped that show and you wouldn't have missed anything. There was no real grab. Yeah, I got you a moment. It needed one big moment and that moment never came. It could have been from any developer, you know, any sort of exclusive thing. But I mean, what was the takeaway from that show? Sonic Frontiers of CGI, you know, it wasn't it was an actual gameplay. Granted, we did learn more about it. And a little more after the show, too, of course. Yeah, I mean, that's just my feeling. It's not it's not the worst thing in the world. It's fun. Jeff Keely is like is a lot like the New York mix, you know, you think of basketball, you think of the next probably because they're one of the most talked about franchises because at one time they were a prominent franchise. You think of McDonald's, you know, it's fun to poke fun to McDonald's. They're the big, you know, dog in the world. But I do like that he is open to talking to idiots like me because I think if I was in his position, I would be like, it's gonna get out of here. Get out of here, little man. I don't have time for you. But I mean, I definitely respect that aspect of it. But I just think that the show could be a lot better. That's fair. I mean, I always thought I've had the same criticisms of the show every single year. The only thing they did technically do better this year. I don't really like to give credit for it. But it is one of my main complaints was, okay, they're going to rush through some categories. I don't like that they do that, but at least this year they actually showed all the nominees before announcing the winners in years past. They would just announce the winners and now who the nominees were. It's only a smidge better by the way, Jeff Keely. It's not exactly what we wanted, but at least we got to see them on screen like here's the nominees. Okay. And then here's the winner. It's like, well, okay. It's a little bit better. Yeah, but there was like two segments that happened within like a 30 minute timeframe where it's like you got five winners and then you got five more winners. And I was like, I remember sitting here with my with my co-host and I was like, so according to Jeff Keely's time, we only got like 10 minutes left and there's still like seven awards that haven't been announced. So what's happening all of a sudden here's Jeff Keely rapid fire like five awards and two minutes. And I'm like, okay. Well, that kind of sucks. I also one thing I did tell him because I had an email exchange with him after the show because I was talking to their co-streaming person about my show getting blocked by WB or whatever everyone's got blocked by WB and he was like really, really overwhelmed and somehow accidentally tagged Keely in it. He did it. And so then I said, oh, hey, Keely, how's it going? Man, here's some notes for you. And he actually responded. And I mean, you can get especially me anyone the time of day, but he was super nice in that email response. And my big thing was the show. I feel when I when I say it's good, I say it's good because Jeff Keely has this vision of it's an E3 event that also celebrates and recognizes developers and tries to make this different than E3, which by the way, I don't know about you. I did a big live stream event for all of E3. So like 12 hour days, four days in a row. E3 was a shit show this year. I think everyone can mostly agree with that besides Microsoft and Nintendo did all right, but everyone else just I could have did with pretty much with nobody else summer game has helped a little bit because like we saw developer digital that they were part of some summer game passing stuff. Well, I think Sony not being at E3 definitely hurt. That's hurt. That's really hurt over the years. You know, we have one of the big three not there and it's one of the big three that happens. I have a lot of exclusives. Yeah, that that sucks. Um, but I sat there and I'm like, you know what? Um, I just recounted again just to make sure there were 43 games talked about at the game board. Um, of those of those games, uh, it was 18 of them were games that we had either never seen before or had never seen gameplay before and saw first gameplay. Um, the rest of them were either like horizon or you know, Elden Ring stuff like that. Uh, and then obviously bunch of CGI trailers that don't really tell us much. Just like the Wonder Woman. Okay. The game exists. Hey, I hate those reminds me of Metro. Okay. Metro Prime forward exists. Cool. I hate those so much, but I also look at it. I don't blame the game awards for those. Now you could argue those should be the ones cut, but also I don't know what ones got cut in comparison. Like, you know, he's trying to put the biggest ones in there. Um, and maybe the ones that got cut weren't a bigger deal. I have no idea what I do know is when I, because I rewatched the show today because before I made my video, because I really wanted to get a good grasp without reacting to it without me worrying about my kids bugging me and having to deal with that in the middle of the stream. What are my real thoughts on this? And I came to the conclusion that the show itself is trying to appease the whole of gaming while also for some reason dragon and Hollywood and I'm all with you. They can just forget Hollywood. I think that has to do with trying to get mainstream acceptance. I don't know if Jeff Keely's realized this yet. Gaming is more mainstream than Hollywood. And I know it feels weird like the rock and all these other big people, the big actors, Chris Pratt, spoon Mario. Fine. If you're going to have the Mario trailer, like, okay, it made sense to have Jim Kerry say a thing. It made sense because Sonic's there and they're doing the Sonic movie and I was fine with the Sonic movie being there. No problem with that halo. That's based on the video game. Yeah. The halo TV series. No, no problem. Like, I actually thought there was going to be more of them. I thought we're going to see like last of us another trailer for that movie or something. Like, I actually was surprised there wasn't more of those movie ones, but cool. I was fine with that. My, my, my thing is in watching it all. I realized looking through all the game list because I was actually curious like how much of the game list that was shown is people just not really knowing what these games are versus the games not actually being good. Because I mean, I went through rewatching them and the problem is there were a lot of CGI trailers, which is really hard to judge games on, but like the ones that did have gameplay, almost every single one of them looked really good. Even if it wasn't something I was interested in, I get the appeal and I get the kind of audience that it's shooting for. And between that, between the awards themselves, which to me, whether or not gamers care about the awards, which gamers never cared about any of the other award shows. So I don't know why they care more about these ones. The awards are for the developers and everybody knows this. This is the way it should be. This is even if the developers aren't mentioned on stage. It goes on the resume, gets them jobs. So it's really important to them and important to the studios. Even if it's rushed through, sucks, but it still matters. So that's what the awards are for. The awards are for the industry that makes the games. The showings are for the fans, but the problem is the fans that he's trying to talk to now, he's got this worldwide audience. Like he did that. Cabo is that the Doka dancing anime thing a pop thing. Yeah, like that was not for us. Five minutes of that, by the way. Yeah, that was but wasn't for us. And I kept thinking, you know, I didn't I didn't enjoy that part of the show, but then I started realizing I started doing some research. Okay, crap like that's really popular in China. And China has over 20 million people watching the game awards according to the official stats from last year. And I don't know what the stats were for this year yet. But I'm like, okay, well China probably wasn't interested in 99% of these Western games that were shown. But they probably really enjoyed that stupid dance thing that I thought was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in game awards history. And it made me realize that he's trying to cater to everyone. And the problem when you're trying to cater to everyone is you end up not really catering to anyone specifically. Right. And I think that's why people get bored with the show. But I also think that's what makes the event different unlike all the other events that cater to each audience. Even E3 has individual events that cater to each audience. This is one event that caters to everybody, which doesn't really end up catering to anybody besides the developers that obviously get happy with winning awards. So my takeaway was it's just a Jeff Keely event. This is what he does. He tries to smash as much in as he can. Honestly, looking back through all the trailers. Honestly, they all kind of look pretty good. I can't pick out any game on that list that I can like definitively look at and go, yeah, that's a bad game. Well, I mean, a bad game. Well, I mean, that's that's a subjective thing. But I know it was subjective, but all the complaints I see are that the big names weren't there. But like we had a brand new Star Wars game announced. But that's a big deal. Now, granted, it was CGI. It was CGI. Right. What kind of game is it? Well, the thing is we assume it was CGI. We have no idea. No, but I mean, is it an action game as an RTS? Yeah, I know, I know, I know that was the problem. That's that's a lot of these things I would rather have because you said there was the 40 some odd games that are 18 that we got a first glimpse of. I don't care about quantity. I care about quality. You know, if you could take away some of the show length by getting rid of these Wonder Woman announcements that tell me absolutely nothing. Even the Star Wars announcement, it told you absolutely nothing about what this game is going to be. And when you look at the pedigree of the company behind it with games like Detroit Become Human, that doesn't answer any sort of question for you. So I would rather see a less quantity with a better quality of the games, a better quality of the of the trailer itself. You know, less CGI actual looks at the game. And if the game isn't ready to be shown, what's the point of talking about it? If we're at such an early state of development where we can't even show any sort of gameplay whatsoever, why are we even bringing it up? What's the discussion point around here? You know, especially on a stage like this and the whole appealing to everyone thing, like I see that's one thing I don't like. I don't think we need it needs to appeal to everyone because the thing about video games is you're you're going to find something that interests you. But if like you said, if you watch 99% of that show and you hated it and then you like the little dancing thing, you still wasted. I mean, that was five minutes of nearly four hours. You still wasted the rest of your time. You're better off watching the highlights. I think some of the problems inherently come from Jeff going, this game's going to blow your mind. We've been working on this trailer for 74 years. This game is going. This is going to be the biggest show ever. He is an overhyped kind of person. And you have to do that to make people more interested to some degree. But at some time, you also have to keep it real because you can only fool people so many times before they start to snap back at you. What do you say for Elden ring level things? I didn't count for it, to be honest. But there was a classical. What did you mean by that? What did he actually mean by for Elden ring? Like like Elden ring wasn't announced at the game awards. It was first gameplay. Right. And then at this, we got a trailer for the story which showed absolutely no gameplay. But once again, that's a game that's coming out in February. Like, well, they had a beta for it, though. So people have actually played it. All right. What I'm saying is at the game awards we were presented with. Yeah. Just a cinematic. A cinematic story trailer. That's an industry wide issue in every event, though. Did I? But well, besides credits in Nintendo, they usually don't do it. Although technically twice in a row for Breath of the Loud to maybe gameplay. I don't know. Was it canned because 2014's Breath of the Wild that gameplay was just a canned thing. So I find it interesting because you brought you brought up that point. But at least it's in game. Yeah, it's in game. That's why I was fine with Hellblade because I understood that, you know, it's not actual gameplay, but that's the in-game engine. That's what it's going to look like. So I don't mind in-game. And you played the first Hellblade, right? Yes. Yeah. So it worked very much like that, too. It's like a transition seamless the gameplay. So it's a little hard to get upset at the developers for that because that's sort of how the game works. But the industry has a larger I think larger problem with the CGI trailer disconnect between that and gamers. I think a lot of gamers prefer gameplay, obviously, over anything. Or if you're going to have CGI fine, do the CGI lead-in to gameplay. And that's not really a game awards issue. That's just an industry issue. E3 is chock-full of this stuff. State of plays are chock-full of this stuff. Xbox's shows are chock-full of this stuff. It's I don't know why they keep doing it. The only thing I can think of is every game that seems to get these CGI trailers. A lot of them end up selling really well. So there must be something to the way that these companies have figured out because all the companies are basically doing it. That this version of marketing that well, we might complain about it. Maybe the more general consumers out there, like the Star Wars eclipse thing. It's got four plus million views on the official Star Wars channel, which is more than the subscribers they have. I know I can't tell the dislikes because there's dislikes are just right. That sucks with YouTube now. But I mean, it still has, you know, 172,000 likes. And I sat there and I go, you know, for the general consumers, I think they kind of like the CGI thing. Even if I don't. I think you think that do you think if they showed off? OK, I see what you're saying with that. It's not for us. We want gameplay, but like. But in general consumer cares. But in the same breath, do you think that if they actually did gameplay of the game, do you think it would have gotten the same amount of views or still I think so? I would assume so. I would say yes, but there's a caveat because it depends, which brings everything full circle on what type of game it is. If it's a Star Wars action game, sort of like Jedi Fall in order. OK, you're going to get people's attention. If it looks like Command and Conquer, you're not going to get as many people's attention with that game. All of them. And that's the problem with these things. And yes, it is rampant in the industry. But you know, I still think speaking up about it helps because people don't want this. The general the general video game population doesn't want this. And yeah, you're going to try to appeal to everyone. You want that that coveted casual market, but that casual market is going to do whatever they want to do. They're not going to do things based on trailers, in my opinion. Animal Crossing didn't sell over 30 million copies because of a trailer of the game. It sold over 30 million copies because people were talking about it. People bought it. People played it. People shared it with their non gaming family. And that's what made it popular. So, you know, in that sort of respect, it is an interesting litmus test. But I would like to see a company like try it both ways and see which is better in the public eye because, you know, you could do focus group. And I know this is kind of off topic, but like the whole thing about focus groups is it drives me nuts because if everything was contingent on focus groups, every single product that was ever made would be the most popular product and sell phenomenally because in focus groups, you always think you have it figured out. You think you have the product. You think you have it the way you want it. And then if it goes to market and it flunks, it's like, what do we do with these focus groups? What was the point of that? So, you know, that's just, that's just my opinion. I think, like I said, the game awards isn't a terrible show. I just want to see it more concise. I want it to be quicker. And like you said, gamers in general don't necessarily care about the other award shows. But that's because the other award shows don't promote themselves like the game awards does. The game awards goes out there and says, this is the award show. This is the show you need to watch. This is the big to do. And then to not do things that the other shows do. Yeah, the other shows don't have the big reveals and things like that. But I feel like there's a better balance that can be found. Sure. And I want to be clear because there were a couple of people I mean, there's always negative comments in every video. But there's a couple of people that were like, you know, and you're saying that, you know, no one can be critical and I said, no, no, no, be critical. I was watching the show and I was critical while watching it live on live stream. It's not perfect. It has a long ways to go. And I don't know if it'll ever get there because a lot of the complaints are the same complaints for seven to three years. Rushing through awards. Not always given enough time like, you know, like we just had Tim from kind of funny games on and he brought up Greg Miller's speech back in 2015 and it's like, I don't remember the last time there was a speech like that. Right. That was back in 2015. But we haven't had those kind of moments. Like, I guess the closest we have was Jeff Keely speaking out you know, speaking out at the very beginning of this show but then wasn't willing to actually name the company which upsets some people. I don't know. I think he's just trying to play both ends of the stick on that when I can't blame him. He's not trying to burn any bridges. It's a business. It's a business. Yeah. And I'll always say this that website that ran the whole because he actually talked about that on the spaces. Good. And that was actually what I started. So busy. That's what I said. There's a there's a recap on you could go to his Twitter account list. It's like an hour long. I hop in around the 20 minute mark, I think. But that was the first thing I said to him because he actually had brought up how he had given the interview and then a propaganda became out of it by by a tabloid like gaming website and I was like, oh, I like that. So when I got on there, I was like, I was like, you know what? They did you dirty. Like they they took you out of context and it's ironic that that website, which we won't name that website will still I guarantee you they're going to have Activision reviews. They're going to have Blizzard reviews. They're going to have reviews from Riot Games. They're going to have reviews from Ubisoft, but they just feel high and mighty and they could just pay. I can't stand mindsets like that. But that was how I started out with because he was like, I saw you made a video. It was in my feed, but I haven't watched it. I was like, I might want to skip that one. Jeffrey might want to skip that one. But, you know, he's he's a good enough dude. I think today showed, you know, he's willing to talk to whoever, even detractors. I mean, we we've gone back and forth on Twitter before like over the sting thing. Like and, you know, I just like to I just like to do it in jest. I think he understands that it's not real hatred. I just would like to budget those quoted tweets from him over the last 24 hours. He was just responding to a bunch of haters. And it was hilarious. The girl, the girl who said, uh, uh, when I die, I want Jeff Kility about my funeral. So you can lower me down one more time or something. Like, that was awesome. That was bad. So you responded that one. Yeah. And you have to have a sense of humor. I don't think anyone, you know, is the whole thing of it is, is that people can disagree on something and they can see things differently, but they can still be, you know, amicable with people. The social media has created this thing where it's like, if two people disagree with on something, it has to be a beef. There has to be an argument. Like every week I'm in a new beef with somebody on the spawn cast. And it's like, apparently I was an asshole today because I called you and dream cast guy up for a second. I wasn't calling you out. I was just saying, I want to talk. But yeah, like when we all understand that, but like the public's like, oh, no, you're an asshole. And I'm like, yeah. Well, they like, you know, people like drama and people like to drum up stuff. I get it. But to bring it back to the game awards, my whole thing is it just needs, it needs a better balance. There have been years where I've actually enjoyed the show, but I think this year, what year did you enjoy it? I'm just curious. God, you're putting me on the spot now. There's seven of them. Yeah, but unless you want to go back to the spike TV days, but let's forget those haven't existed. And I don't even know why G4 TV is back anymore. But anyways, um, I didn't watch one episode of Attack on the show since it came back. It was all right. See, I don't have the nostalgia for that. And when that when, when, when G4 was on like, whatever channel it was on, I knew it existed, but I was doing like other things in life. A lot of people were, it was a very small crowd that was watching G4 back then. So, you know, it's like the attack of the show. The reason I know about it, because it actually wasn't a G4 show originally. It was a tech TV show before G4 bought tech TV. Um, and I was a big PC hardware person. So that's why I know that show very well. X-Play, I don't really care that much about, but. I would say, I guess it would be 2017. The one that had, cause they did Breath of the Wild there. And then they, the DLC, and then they did the bayonet of stuff there. Yeah. And it felt like, it felt like a big show. You know, it felt like, part of the problem I feel like is that the companies themselves are carrying less and less about it. The actual gaming companies, and it's more becoming influenced by things like Hollywood, influenced by things like the mobile gaming industry, which is fine, you know, it is a part of gaming, but yeah, it's huge. But if you want to do stuff like that, have your own, have your own mobile show because evidently mobile gaming is so big, you would think that a million billion trillion people would watch that, right? No, because it's a different, it's a different market. The mobile, they don't care. They care, they want to see what's on their phone. So I, I used to think like that too. And then so when you think eSports, what games do you think of? I don't. I don't know anything. I don't know anything. Well, a lot of people will say like big elections and stuff like that. I was going to say like Street Fighter. The fighting games and stuff like that as well, right? You know, those are a big thing. And now we're getting a Smash League or whatever officially. That's kind of cool. We'll see whatever happens with that. But all the melee nerds, one of the biggest eSports, like this was just like three years ago. One of the most watched eSports in the world was Candy Crush in America or worldwide in America. It was televised. I can't forget what channel it was. And it was averaging numbers that NFL playoffs average. It was it was insane and nobody really knew what to do with that. They didn't know how to hand like the TV companies like they we didn't expect this. I don't know where the viewers came from. Maybe they're all pirated streams and other countries. I have no clue. I just know when they posted the numbers, it was like, okay, well, you know, that's a whole part of the industry that I don't pay attention to anybody. Like how big it like, I know there's a lot of people who play phone games. How's your it's a billion? That's a that's an eSports league built on a candy. Okay, that I was not aware of that. Yeah. So one thing I've always said about the game awards just to give like my criticism of it is. Yeah, it's long. I always expected to be it's always three to three and a half hours. That's just what it is every year. I know that it's been that way for seven years. Well, one year and actually four and a half. That was I don't like to talk about that year. But you mentioned something interesting that your favorite year was 2017 and you feel like the companies are carrying less and less. I don't know that it's maybe this is where I come from in that I'm a lot more fair over the last two game awards. Can you remember what was probably the last big game awards? Probably like 2019 when we got the Xbox Series X unveil at the game awards like that was that was a big deal. A big get you got a brand new generation system announced a year early at your show. That's pretty cool. You show off one next-gen game and there were some some other games there as well. Nintendo even had some stuff there. But since then we had a pandemic. Lots of games are in the late push like oh horizons the game they showed. Well I mean horizon was supposed to come out this year. Probably went to I mean like like as an example I've seen a number he'll bring up Sony only brought Horizon so forespoken wasn't a thing that was shown like again. I know it's again. It's a lot of games getting shown again and I think it's because everything just keeps getting delayed and we're kind of in this all virtual last year new consoles launching like what can you really show and new consoles are launching and they don't have games ready yet you know because everything's being pushed and then this year yeah we know about a lot of games coming next year supposedly. It's kind of like it's not like you have to give a release date. Hellblade 2 didn't Hellblade 2 is probably how play to and Sonic Frontiers were probably the two most interesting things for me. Sure. Hellblade 2 didn't have any sort of date. Sonic Frontiers at holiday 2022. It's not like you have to put a I bring this up because as an example Nintendo has been very close to the vest and not showing things until we're actually going to think about releasing the same thing which is why we've seen Splatoon 3 twice now. Obviously we presume hope that Breath of War 2 actually lands next year history is all the games always delays so we'll see what happens. But I think in the back of my mind watching E3 and watching Summer Game Fest and going back to last year when there was no E3 and there was a couple of events here and there are no Nintendo Directs they made me realize that I just think companies aren't comfortable showing anything of substance at this moment because they're not back to normal like a lot of Japanese studios are all still working at home like they're still on lockdown in Japan in a lot of areas and that's obviously affecting you know games or there's people that were at the game awards that weren't actually at the game awards because of travel restrictions that's why they did some of those video segments because they couldn't get there because of restrictions so we're very much living in this world where of the last decent good quote unquote good game awards was 2019. Well look at what's happened to the world since then I don't really know what to expect because nobody's been putting on good shows since the pandemic started at least in my opinion. I know yeah some Nintendo Directs have been solid obviously you know getting Splatoon 3 announced obviously Metroid Dread or E3 but that's because Nintendo seems to have found a way to get back into the swing of things a little bit at least it seems we'll see 2022 is going to be telling if they can actually get all these games out that they're promising that's just what we know right now but I look at it as maybe I'm just more forgiving because I looked at that game list and I looked at those trailers and like you know like with the Suicide Squad and we saw some actual gameplay and I thought it actually looked kind of good actually mentioned that game even though it didn't interest me I was like that was one of the better trailers at this event but it's a game play and it's like the gameplay didn't look bad even if it's not something you're into you know. Like I get what you're saying and I do understand you know the world isn't definitely in a different place than it was in 2019 but I have a solution I have a solution on how you can make the show more interesting even in lieu of a lot of companies not being able to have things there or have things ready to show you make the damn thing shorter I don't need three and a half hours of that if you would have made it hour and a half two hours tops not funny my solution is actually to make it longer but to not have it be one day so as an example esports is huge you don't know much about it but esports has millions and millions of millions of people that watch commentate play it's a really really big arena that is not covered properly by the game awards it has a bunch of awards for it and that's pretty much yet you don't really hear anything else with the esports there esports should have its own night it's big enough to have its own night it should have like a two-hour event its own night and you know what Jeff Keely go ahead and steal this idea have esports be its own night and actually do some live esports tournaments right there that are just small segments like little quick matches for like 15 minutes you know oh league one the best worlds thing do bring in the two top teams from that world thing and have them rematch each other right there on stage you know how big that would be for esports that would make esports more personal and then you have to have obviously all the people there on stage to accept esports awards hopefully or through video if travel restrictions that they can't get in that's the esports section the rest obviously if you eliminate the esports part of it that obviously gives more time for all the other awards to potentially get more airtime like it does feel weird because one thing I do think Jeff Keely is I don't know I see I don't want to see he's out of touch with it because I think he's actually more aware than people give him credit for every time he's in an open conversation on podcasts talking to people like you it's very clear he's a very much aware yes definitely I'll definitely give him that yeah I think there's a perception out there that Jeff Keely doesn't know what he's doing he's very aware of all the criticism he's very aware that people want like some categories that gamers consider a big deal that are rushed through he's aware that gamer is considered a big deal and I think sometimes and I don't know that this is the case and it's something that I would love to ask him if I get the opportunity is when there's a big category and I probably would have picked one from this year and asked him directly is the reason that this big category that gamers rush through and that we care about because you couldn't get them to come in and accept the award because you have to mail it to them because if you were to do this big thing and you want them to come on stage or you want them to do a video presentation and they just didn't do it it might be a big deal to us and they won the award but you can't do anything with it there's no presentation you can do with it you could do like Jim Carrey did though and send it a pre-recorded response again but this is and they've done that in the past actually but I'm saying in the case the studio isn't sending you a recording and won't be there it's like that kind of sucks because maybe if one of the other games won they would have but you don't want to bias the whole thing towards you know having to determine if the person is going to be there or not or be able to do a video and now that again that's a question I can't answer that's something that I'm very curious because he's made it he said in the in the past that he's aware that there's some categories they've rushed through that he knows gamers think are a really big deal best fighting game as an example yeah he talked about that today but like you know I'm wondering what the reason is that he rushes through those awards and doesn't seemingly have anyone there to accept him because like honestly I'm this is just me I'm very curious for the action adventure award that Metroid won like if Nintendo wasn't there that went to been a non-stage event I don't know I mean Nintendo you would presume all the nominees for the game of the year awards are going to be there but I'm saying like say it wasn't nominated for that and it was only in that one category and Nintendo sent zero representatives and said you know what we're dipping out this year I think there's a heads up I don't think there's definitely a heads up because they're all prepared with stuff so they know already ahead of time if they want you know yeah so there was an ongoing joke throughout the whole show because Jeff Kiliman said like we're not letting Joseph Harris on Mike this year and it's like right it's like okay well he's clearly you're not you're not serious and I kept the end of the god the game of the year I was like no way I kept thinking about my mind is this is where he's gonna get on Mike because he won game of the year and it's really interesting do because I almost wish that he would talk more to Joseph Harris about the show because clearly he keeps saying F the Oscars F the Oscars he hates the Oscars he thinks the game awards are better fine the Oscars wouldn't recognize them so I can't blame him he's got kind of a he's kind of a jaded against the Oscars but also all these other award shows that give a lot of time to the awards are losing viewership so I don't so I have a lot of ideas on how I would run an award show I don't know that I have the capability to pull it off but Jeff Keely maybe maybe has the capability to pull it off I just think that I try to look at the game award show since it's trying to be this all-encompassing thing I'm trying to be mindful that I've seen a lot of people excited for each individual announcement like if you go to the individual trailer uploads on YouTube you'll see a bunch of people really excited in the comments for each one of these games so I sit there and I go are we being like just for the game announcement part alone pacing and all that I think everyone agrees we could fix that we can reorganize that we can I don't know maybe chop down on the number of games put more awards on I don't know whatever I think that's a general criticism every year but a lot of people that I see on the internet are disappointed because the things they wanted to see weren't there and then the things that were there they didn't care about but a lot of people did care about some of these things the audience isn't growing every year because people don't care so I feel like some of the disappointment that a lot of gamers feel every year is because we're inherently selfish people and we only care about what we're interested in and if it isn't there it's a bad show and I'm kind of like on the opposite end of that where I go I already had no like 12 to 15 games I'm buying next year I don't need the game awards to convince me to buy more games I'm already like my pocket book is already going to be running thin and my time is running thin and that's before we even get to 2022 so I look at it as well and I'm reading these comments I'm going well these people are excited about this like this is a good thing yeah okay I want that Star Wars trailer to have gameplay but look at all these Star Wars games hopefully they don't get let down please don't let them down we don't know what they're hyped about because I don't know what game they're getting like I'm really confused or what they're but I think they're just hyped because it's a non EA Star Wars game coming out I get it that's probably why they're hyped we already knew it existed we just haven't seen it so I'm still technically haven't seen it but I think I'm trying to be mindful of I can be happy that other people are saying that's why I'm not that critical of it because I go look at all these people that are happy look at all the people that are angry all the angry people are saying the same thing all the happy people are just going man I'm really excited for this I mean that's that's fair yeah but I can only really speak for yourself and my enjoyment and so and you know that no shade of you by the way I already know but but I mean I understand that mindset and like I said there are people who are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a year on video games and you know making this industry grow and propelling this industry to new levels I don't think they should be forgotten about either and it seems like every year it strays a little bit more away from us and a little bit more towards someone else who may or may not exist but it's what the story is and it's what the story is and it's what the story is and it may not exist but it's what the suits think it's it and that's a whole other that's a whole different debate the pop the circumstance of the show and it's like it's video games like do we need this whole but like I said that's a whole big thing but you know at the end of the day I don't hate Jeff I don't hate the show I would just love to see the show try at least give me one year where you try something that a lot of people that are vocal like to see if it flops it's not going to hurt your pocketbook Jeffrey I know I know how much you're making off of this stuff you'll you'll be just fine he's doing good but you know I would just like to see you know try it you can even I guess you couldn't really try it because of the award aspect of it but just just try something different and you know at the end of the day it's his call it's his money it's his business it's his LLC it's his property what the hell he wanted that all we can do is is just share ideas and share areas of criticism and I think he does listen to it to some extent I mean he listens to what I have to say and I'm just a random idiot on the internet so you know we'll see we'll see I mean you're a Knicks fan so that that says how much we should pay attention I'm just a depressed Knicks fan for my entire life I totally get where you're coming from the game awards are what they are because it's been seven years of this I've reached the point that I just know what the show is every year I'm critical of some things but I get it and I always go if people want things a certain way well Jeff wanted things a certain way so he did his own show someone else needs to step up then and create a new like you know E3 was bombing out so well Jeff Keely stepped up and started making Summer Gamefest and some people like that some people don't well if we want something different that's not ran by Jeff and not ran by the usual and Jeff has to do it and I don't know anyone else in the industry that's really willing to put that kind of risk because it was a risk when he originally did it's not a risk anymore but it was a riskier one and I don't know anyone else that's willing to do that like a lot of youtubers I'm always like well why don't youtubers all get together and throw a big event well we're all busy we don't have time we don't have the money we don't have the backing the LA money the LA money is pretty insane I can't live in LA guys I'll tell you right now if I was a LA youtuber I wouldn't be on youtube I would never move to LA that's not a very smart business decision unless you're very fortunate but I'm not I live in Wisconsin so cheap living anyways well thank you so much for coming man I really appreciate taking the time I know it's been probably a little bit longer I wasn't even looking at the time that's whatever man alright cool well you guys should go check out RGT channel I'll have his channel with a sub link a direct sub link down in the description as well to be nice to anyone who comes on here go check him out by the way a lot of people always think I'm RGT Junior I think it's because remember I used to be clean shaved and now I have it grown out we look too similar we both wear flat bill sports hats I guess there's only like one certain style of person allowed per thing on the internet apparently anyways man well thanks for coming on hopefully we can get you on one of our longer podcast segment shows someday otherwise I think this is the first time I've spoken to you since like spawn wave ages ago it's been a minute for sure it's been a hot minute well I'll let you go man just one last thing I want to mention that Twitter video you put up of you dancing in your little arcade room I kind of felt like you were just trying to one up me I actually there's one dating website that I use for dating that they allow you to upload a video and I put that on there because how'd that go for you a lot of people like it they're like oh you're funny you're confident I don't care I don't really care what the hell comes up on the internet about me you get thick skin after a while doing this alright man have a good night man alright broski you 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