 Welcome to ITU Telecom 2017 here in Busan, the Republic of Korea and I'm very pleased to be joined in the studio today by Doni Lovtru who is founder and CEO of DemiOge Technologies. Doni, thank you very much for being with us in the studio today. Thank you very much. It's my great honour and a pleasure. I'd like to start off by talking about the theme of this year's event is smart digital transformation. What does that mean to you? Smart digital transformation means a very important part to me and I think it should also be very important or critical for every citizen in the future smart city because in my point of view smart digital transformation could provide the proper means to build the real smart city by creating a sufficient free time for each citizen and why emphasize the free time to the smart city because in my point of view the most critical and important value or asset for the smart city is a human because human is the most brilliant people and in the most critical asset for each human have is time but we basically have three kinds of time one one category is we use for that biological consumption like a sleeping and eating actually that is not predictive considered to the relationship to the smart city and the second part is kind of the sunk cost for living like we need to drive keys to schools and fetching rules and all those should time spent for the sunk cost and only the last part of the time is a free time it's where the brilliant people spend and generate prosperity like what we are discussing here we inspire each other we use our free time not the biological consumption time and another sunk cost time so that for me the smart digital transformation can provide the proper means to create free time for each citizen in smart city now something which is very much on people's minds is AI I wanted to ask you how best should we use AI to build smart and resilient city infrastructures and what are the possibilities in your opinion what are the challenges great question and in my point of view we should use on develop the kind of EA as a means to remove all the sunk cost of time we consumed for daily life for each citizen now what about demi-edge technology perhaps you could talk a little bit about your approach to to smart cities that I believe is quite unique yeah great love to talk that so towards the goal to minimize the sunk cost of the time and create a maximum free time what kind of AI should we discover or develop who should be the first question we ask and in my point of view the AI behind Africa goal is not suitable to achieve this goal obviously the Africa goal of the current AI required a big data and actually for all those tests so in the in a daily life atmosphere or environment so we need a small data and so that we needed a come up with a different kind of AI I name it physical AI to to replace all those mundane tasks all relieve those mundane tasks burden from humans and transfer to the digital transformation system and how does that take place exactly good yes and actually there in the history of AI there is very hot lesson to meet this goal because the founding fathers of artificial intelligence actually come with the same goal how to let the machine be smart to help people and we see even today we can develop a very brilliant gameplay AI machines who can even beat human players but don't forget that it is a human who can discover rules and define rules by sorry who can discover the philosophy rules and create a games by those rules and it is the current AI of the computers who fall in those rules and they have a better play better play results so in my point of view the approach in the from the history of the AI that is very famous I think and the most choose for observation which is the more epic paradox which observes that actually the hard problems for human are easy problems for machine and the easy problems for human are hard problems for machines that means actually the in the past 60 years we probably use the different or not a proper approach to meet the original goal to develop physical AI who can really relieve humans free time and that requires a different approach which I say is discoverer approach discovery how actually animal brains works because it is is already tested and validated algorithmic state or algorithms to really do those modern tasks in the physical world not only human all animals exist in 56 5 6 million years across different species in 7.2 million species all biological animals are so good at doing those mounting tasks fetching goods right clean and nice so only thing we need to do come up with the physical AI next-generation deep learning approach is to discover what the blueprint about animal brains and then that is what Daniel to focus on and that required totally different talent skills the neuroscientist leading neuroscientist actually who are most familiar about how animal works and should be the next generation robotics great and in terms of the I mean you're basically you're you're a tech startup I wanted to ask you what are your thoughts on the ideal private public partnership model with the city governments for example in smart city initiatives yes very critical question I think yeah so first I want to see the different responsibility of function as a public and the private public define the goals or define the ends and the private resources provide the means so I think that for the public it is important for public to hold the ends never compromise and for the private we need to provide the we need to provide the truthfully gap between the current tech technological gap between the means to the goals or to the ends and as a result as a private participants can always come up with better means to really achieve the goals and as a public can based on those truthful information can relocate or allocate proper strategic resources and make a right kind of policy to facilitate the means and to share to pursue the shared common goal to really build a smart cities and what I just wanted to ask you you're attending this event here in Busan in South Korea just really wanted to find out from you what's the value of attending events such as ITU telecom world yeah I think ITU telecom is a very best platform to light the blind spots nowhere to hide and because for the stakeholders for the future smart cities actually the critical thing is that to be free of blind spots and here all the participants from different backgrounds and how those common visions they can communicate freely so this is the thing and finally do you have a key message for the event participants here in Busan yes I'd like to remember everyone that human is a most brilliant creature on earth and we only need 10,000 hours to learn everything no matter people all adult however 10 million hours would be not sufficient for the machine to learn how to learn driving autonomously so we want to the next generation AI technology who can support the human to be brilliant and let us let our brilliance shine in smart city there's some brilliant insights there thank you very much indeed we look forward seeing you shine in the future and look forward to catching up with you again soon yeah thank you very much thank you very best