 First of all, thanks a lot for joining, closing KubeCon, so that's a good thing or not, I don't know, but I really appreciate you all giving the time. I see some many familiar faces here. So Mark couldn't join because, you know, airport is very busy and they're all flying out today. So they had to, in order to not miss the flight, but I have a little message from Mark, he'll cheer later. But yeah, I'm Kunal, I work as a DevRel Manager at CBO, I'm a CNCF ambassador and I love scaling communities, I do all sorts of things. And yeah, today we're going to talk about CNCF students. It's a community group I started to focus more on the student side of things, all the CNC initiators and how we can grow the student community. And yeah, it's what we're going to talk about. And I was mainly the one running it. So I restart to CNCF. And I was like, how can we grow this? And we have a GitHub repository now, it's CNCF slash students. So you can check that out. But I'll share more about that later. But yeah, before we get started, let me just give a background around why should we like care around the student initiatives, why should we even bother like, who cares about students, you know, why should we give any thought to that. So it's a huge talent pipeline, because students represent the future workforce of the technology industry. And no one is going to, you know, we're going to go old. So then the students will come and students will grow old and new students will come. So that's why and by investing in the education and training can create a talent pipeline for the cloud native development and ensure that they are, you know, like enough skilled professionals to support the growing demand of cloud native technologies, innovation, they bring fresh ideas, you know, I graduated last year. So I was so nice to see how welcoming the community is. So bring fresh ideas, new perspectives into the industry. And you can give them, you know, by by giving, like investing in the education, giving them opportunities to work on cloud native projects, we can help drive the innovation and the development of new cloud native technologies. I like to also have like, if we can have an interactive session. So anyone, third point around why you should invest in students, creativity, yeah, comes into the innovation. Yeah, as some nice CNCF swag coupons, $50 once I can give to people who ask questions. Yeah, also for the community, you get the community growth, you know, they help can help establish and grow the cloud native community by engaging with other students and providing them to, you know, with the opportunities to contribute to open source projects and the events and stuff, which we'll talk more about later. So yeah, you know, just create a sense of community and foster collaboration, knowledge sharing, diversity, inclusion, investing in students from diverse backgrounds helps to promote diversity, inclusion, and, you know, in the cloud native industry, that's always a good thing, not just for cloud native industry, but any industry, diversity, inclusion always props to that. And last one, like future leaders, so by investing in students to help create future leaders in the cloud native industry. And yeah, it's fine diverse and talented group of people. All right, next segment is challenges that students face. So if anyone here who works with students who would like to share what sort of challenges they face when they're getting into a particular, like, has anyone mentored anyone? By the way, right? What are the challenges students face? Yes, it's a big one. That's a big one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Josh. The most popular one. Yeah, I've seen that every year with like, like LFX or gruesome of code. Yeah, that happens quite a lot. Yeah, couldn't agree more. And the thing with internships and jobs, it's like, you apply for an internship to say, you need experience, but you need that internship to gain the experience. So I never did. And in my university, I gained that experience via open source. Many students are listening. It's a great way to build your resume. All right, like lack of lack of lack of experience, many students may not have like enough coding experience to contribute to open source projects. That's one of the barriers. They may be intimidated by the complexity. If you see the CNCF projects for a student, that's very overwhelming, such big projects. If you ask a student to contribute to like, Kubernetes, even though Kubernetes is like really, I would say, encouraging for like beginners to take part, but still, someone who is just getting started when they see the huge code base, they, you know, they are unsure about how to get started. Finding the right project, forget about the right project, finding the right domain in tech. Do I get into web dev? Do I get into machine learning? Do I get into blockchain or all these other things? DevOps. So there are many projects out there. And oftentimes students face this issue as well. Like they want to find projects that aligns with their skills and interest. So that's another one. The biggest one by far, I think is also communication barriers. So open source projects, they require a lot of collaboration and collaborate with like different parts of the world, right? And some people may struggle with like cultural differences or language barriers. And sometimes just not knowing how to ask the right question. I don't know how many times students just say, I can all help me. I'm stuck. Very stuck. What are you doing? And yeah, Mark couldn't join us. He had a, as I mentioned flight, but yeah, he shared his experience as well. He's much more senior than me. So he'll shed some light on that. The next one is also not just students, most people struggle with this time management. So like Josh mentioned, university exams, that can come in the way, university lectures can come in the way. So especially when they're juggling the coursework and other commitments, they may have limited time dedicated towards open source. That's another one. The next one is a really popular one. Anyone guess? Also not something that just students face. Yeah, that's it. So imposter syndrome, we like you may or not good enough to contribute to open source projects or like you don't belong in the community challenge. And there was one, someone mentioned from the audience as well, difficulty getting started. It's like the process of like setting up a development environment or figuring out how to make contributions or navigating the code base, so on and so forth. These are all the challenges. All right, second section done. Any questions? Are we doing at the end? Okay. Third section, how to overcome? So folks can seek out mentorship and the guidance from people who are experienced folks in open source communities can look for beginner friendly projects and contribute in small ways like fixing typos or writing documentation. My first contribution was delete a file. That was it. So the issue was please delete this file. I deleted it. That was it. That's my first contribution. So that's how you start. It's all right. You can join online communities and forums and, you know, so many programs, legal effects mentorship, GSOC, apply to CNC ambassadors, join SIGS, but we're documented in the students, in the students repository, I'll share more about that later. All right, current state, we're talking about CNC students. I started this, I don't know when, but it's grown pretty much a lot on the CNCF group. We have around 4,000 people, do actively events on Twitter, CNCF students, that's the handle of around 10,000. And with the help of a bill, shout out a bill. I also started, you know, with Bill and we talked about it. And we also started the student track, which is what my talk is on right now. So there's a student track at KubeCon, which is also a very nice thing. So slowly we're getting there. Also, around 10% attendees in KubeCon Valencia in person were students. Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought it was 777. So almost around 10%. Even at this KubeCon 50 something our first time attendees, right? I saw it on Twitter, something like that. So you see the engagement is there, the interest is there. All right, that's the current state. One of the bigger questions I get is like, how do we get started? And what are all the resources? And all these other things? How do we ask good questions? And, you know, how to be a good mentee, how to be a good mentor? And I really like to lead by example. And also for other people, like, listening to other people's stories, like, if I see someone famous, I'll just ask them, what were you like a student? What did you do? You know, how was your journey like? So that's one thing. And the next one is like the Mentor-Mentee framework, which I wanted to share about. It's also under the CNCF students repository. So that's the CNCF student repository. Here you can check out how do I, yeah, the mission, what is the benefit? What are the goals, the resources, this is our Twitter community group, Mentor-Mentee framework. This is getting started. So like, you know, learn, learn about it first, like why driving cloud native and making it so impactful, so on and so forth, till like, you know, creating a local communities, and then, yeah, finding a job after graduation, like you mentioned. So, elaborate it on that and some, all the resources like CNCF and stuff like training courses, the community groups like attending KubeCon, and the student track available over here, see student track and open source projects and things like that, and certifications and all sorts of things. So this is in the CNCF students repository. There's also a Mentor-Mentee framework that you can use right from the start, where let's say you don't even have a mentor. So it starts with knowing what you want in your career, like what do you want to do, you know, where you want to leave, because if you, if you're a student who reaches out to me for mentorship around blockchain, you're wasting your time. I don't know anything about blockchain, you know. So oftentimes people do that. People are like, hey, you're a very nice guy, you know, senior engineer or whatever. Can you help me with machine learning? The guy does not know anything about machine learning. So if you're a student, then please like figure out, you know, what you want, and we've given like a detailed, like more tips and tricks and stuff like that. Second point is like finding a mentor, and then it all goes down with like working with your mentor, defining goals and expectations, being proactive, respecting your mentor's times and boundaries as well, and showing gratitude and all sorts of things, then measuring growth, empathy, it's very important point, not just with mentor mentee stuff, but in general with life and other things as well. And then how a mentee becomes a mentor, it's all documented here. By the way, and then there's this one thing I wanted to do is mentor mentee stories. So folks who are already like, you know, in their career now, these would be like a series of blog posts, like so that people can learn from their experiences. If I can reach out to Brad, Brad, what were you like a student? What would you do differently? All sorts of things. Open source, make a PR, make it better. If there's any tips you want to include, feel free. But in the end, I'll share like a different like some more resources as well, and some of the meetings and stuff that you can be a part of. All right, Mark could not join us, but he had the message for like, mainly students, but mentees as well. So just going to play this, it's a quick clip, just recorded today because they had an urgent flight. Hi everyone, I'm Mark Boost, CEO of Sevo. And I'm really sorry I can't be with you today, but hopefully I can give you some insights around the student track and the mentee framework, mentor and mentorship framework that we're put together and answer your questions or can now be able to answer your questions live on stage. But I'm going to give you a few helpful tips and guidance hopefully to get you started. The first tip I want to give you is that I get reached out a lot by many students and I don't necessarily have enough time to reply to every single one. So if you're looking for a mentor, the likelihood is that they could be quite a busy person. So how do you stand out from the crowd and actually have a meaningful conversation that they're actually going to respond to you? So the first tip I would like to give you is that it's really important to research the person that you potentially want to help be your mentor. Understand about their background, what their interests are, and also obviously making sure that those interests even align with your interests, there's no point in having a mentor that doesn't align with your goals or your interests. So first of all, you should be reaching out to them, sorry, researching them before you reach out to them. And that's my first tip. The next thing that I'll always advise is that the way you respond to people or you reach out to people is really important. That's a really professional approach. I get a lot of people reach out to me actually that it's almost like a one-liner. It might be something like, will you be my mentor? And that's it. And really they haven't given me any information about themselves, what they're studying, what they're interested in. It's highly unlikely that I'm going to respond to that person compared to someone that has really given a meaningful insight into what they've been doing, what they've been studying, what interests they have, maybe what projects they've been contributing to, things like that. And if they align with the values and things that I believe in, then it's more likely that I respond to them. An additional tip, not just about if you're reaching out to someone to be a mentor, and it could be soon in the future you want to reach out to try and get a job. I think it's really important to demonstrate what you've been doing to kind of really grab hold of your own career and find a job. And again, I get lots of people reaching out to me and saying, here's my resume and just asking for a job. But really what you want to do is demonstrate all the different contributions and things that you've been doing. And I really encourage people to get involved in the community, get involved in open source projects, maybe become an ambassador or something for a project that you really like or a technology or something like that. And really demonstrate that you're passionate about those subjects. So when you then reach out for a job to someone, it's really that interest and that passion is coming through and then more likely to respond. So you should never, never really reach out to someone and just say, here's my resume, have you got a job? And again, go back, do that research, understand the company and show them what you've been doing, grab hold of your own career, contribute and demonstrate that when you're reaching out to people, whether that's for a job or whether that's to try and find a mentor. So if you eventually find a mentor and you're working closely with them, it's really important that, first of all, you understand each other and get to know each other. So I'd always recommend before you even talk about career goals and aligning, the mentorship program with those things, you just need to really get to know each other and make sure you build that empathy and understand each other. Because if you're interested in not aligned, if you can't find common ground, it's unlikely that they're going to be the right suitable mentor for you. So, and sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say, this is not the right mentor and be honest with each other and find someone else that is better aligned with your own aspirations and goals and things. So that's the first thing you want to do. But once you move beyond that, my recommendation is that you start to talk about what your long term goals are and your interests and making sure that if the mentorship program over that last say one year, three years, five years, you know, you've mapped out some longer term goals that you can work towards and make sure they align with where you want to be in five years time say. So that's really important. But you can't just be too focused on the long term goals, you do need to set short term goals as well. Because the people aren't necessarily very good at focusing on real long term things. It's easier to sort of break that down into smaller chunks and gradually doing building blocks towards those. So it's important that you set those short term goals that are more achievable in a smaller length of time. So probably one of the most important things that maybe I'll leave you with is empathy. Because I think that is the most important character trait that both the mentor and the mentee need to have. For instance, on the mentee side, they've got to understand that sometimes these mentors are giving up a lot of their own spare time to help and support you. And they're very busy maybe in their own career and jobs and things that they do. So it's important to understand and appreciate what the mentor is doing for you and having that empathy for their own time, in respect for their time. Maybe sometimes meetings and things that you have planned have to move. Because if it's for instance myself, who's a busy CEO, I have meetings that might come up very important things out of the blue. So I might have to adjust the schedule. So it's being respectful of their time. And vice versa from a mentor's point of view, you've really got to build that empathy with your student or your mentee to actually understand their interests and ensuring it's not you just teaching them. It's about aligning them with their goals and supporting them on that process and really getting to know that person as an individual and not treating them as a cookie cutter process. Because as we all know, we're all very, very different. And it's important that you map out a program that works for that individual's goals and not everyone in general. What I always encourage you to do is reach out to people at the CNCF. They have great programs in place. And you can check out the CNCF repository on GitHub at cncf4 slash students. And it's really great information there. And we'd also ask people to contribute towards that. So if you want to get involved and help build out this framework and involve this framework over time, get involved. Because the CNCF is an amazing community of people. And we want to encourage as many people to come into this and support this program because it's really important that we look after the next generation. All right, that was Mark. Thank you, Mark. It couldn't be here. Hi, everyone. I'm Mark Boost. See you. Hold on. So yeah, again, you can find it on GitHub. The framework and then the mentorship programs. These also you can find on GitHub. It's a CNCF slash mentoring. There's code, some of code, LFX and all sorts of things. Then there's the student track. It's new, but there's lots of improvement that need to be done in the student track. Ideally, more talks. Those would be nice. Because we are forgetting so many students attending, even in person and virtually. Then having more talks in the student track, more people sharing their experiences, high-quality talks. If you know anyone, just encourage them to submit or you can submit one as well. So ideally, like hopefully in Chicago, the student track would look much diverse, much better, more nice talks, more stories from people. Because these LFX mentees also graduate periodically so they can share their journey and all sorts of things. So lots of rooms for improvement. How do you like better visibility? Why are we talking about the CNCF students specifically? So yeah, more visibility, more like around resources, improving communication and collaboration and mentorship and more opportunities around that. Some of the future goals are like, it would be nice to have the repository. So we can have a website that just lists down all the things. If anyone asks you how do I get involved in the CNCF, I don't know anything. Can we just go to CNCF's last students and that's it. Technical questions, mentorship questions, everything should be in that repository. All the things you need, all the links, everything. That's the ideal, what is CNCF students, what it could be. That's what ideally it is. Leading by example, so people who have been there, them sharing their examples, their stories, their journeys and local student groups. That's another thing that would be nice. Like we have the CNCF ambassadors, like the student stuff, like people. And other companies are doing this, Microsoft Learn Student Ambassadors, GitHub Campus Experts, Google Developer Clubs, major league hacking coaches. So something like that to empower the CNCF community. Events stuff, yeah, there's the Dan Con scholarship that is going on, which is very cool. And then the student track. So student track is set in place, but I think it needs a lot of work because we need more people submitting. So ideally, yeah, kind of have a track with more talks. Resources, the GitHub.com slash CNCF slash students for the open source program, CNCF slash mentoring. And I was talking to CNCF around making a student like working group, but there's a mentoring working group already under tag or contributor strategy. So I'd recommend you join that because that also works around, it focuses on the mentoring initiatives or CNCF. Like CNCF takes part in a lot of mentoring initiatives, like I just mentioned. So there's a working group around that. You can join that working group under tag contributor strategy. And they have meetings on every second Tuesday or something. I could be wrong, but pretty sure it's second Tuesday. But yeah, do check out where the meetings are. You can join the meetings, get involved. The Twitter is CNCF students. And then the community group is also a community of CNCF Tio. You can find CNCF students there as well. And events wise, we have cube constant track, but yeah, lots, lots we can do. This is currently what we have. So we discussed about why care about students, which discussed about the challenges they face. We discussed about the current state, what we have. I listed all the resources. We checked the GitHub repository and I shared how you can get involved. Shared about the meetings, what they miss. No, that's it. All right. Thank you. Questions? Yeah. Oh, yeah, Mike. Oh, it's off. Hi, I'm Christy. So you shared the challenges that students usually face either when contributing to the CNCF or other open source projects. But what have been the challenges that you have faced getting this program established? By the time. That was the one because I started this and then I scaled it like till like we did till 4,000 and then 10,000. And then a few people like they definitely helped out quite a lot. Shout out to Bart. He's been doing a lot of events. But ideally my challenges that I faced have been just proper structure. And that's why I reached out to CNCF. Like, you know, the community is there and so many people, so many students in the community who are willing to help out. So take it under CNCF and then let's just find contributors. My biggest challenge has been just like more structure, making it more formal. So ideally, let's say I want to do, I want to do some live stream around students. I don't want to do that on my channel. I want to do that on like, you know, like the CNCF stuff. So more structure. One more thing. Another challenge is like I started this, like there was the CNCF students Twitter and I'm tweeting from that. So in a real, in a nice world, anyone should be able to do that. And I think you when it is just this way, you make a PR and then you do it goes out. Same thing can be done with students. So like no one point of contact, but like a, like a community can only. But yeah, that's why I mentioned that you can join this mentoring working group under tag contributors strategy. They have regular meetings. So you can help out with that and I'll join that as well. And then we can take it from there. Yeah. Thank you. Good question. I'll give you the coupon. Josh, go ahead. So one of the things we were discussing outside before the session started is a problem from the mentor perspective. The what perspective from the mentor perspective. Yes. Right. Because one of the problems that we have with recruiting mentors to get involved with mentoring students is the very low rate at which students turn into contributors. Right. Because at least for people on companies from an open source rather than academic perspective, the reason why they're doing the mentorship is because they're hoping that their mentee will turn into an ongoing contributor for the project. But because students are generally going through a lot of life changes, that only happens maybe 15, 20% of the time. The I'd be interested in working on ways through CNCF students that we can actually sort of increase the rate of stickiness maybe by selecting who's applying to the mentorships to begin with so that the mentors will feel more encouraged to participate. Yeah. One of the biggest issues and I was talking to in the last few condoms, he mentioned the same thing. I think yeah, that's a big concern. And that's what some students have to also realize that when you talk about these initiatives like GSOC or LFX or whatever, it's not about just getting into this program. It's about staying with the project after it's over. So what I have seen is there are some students who went on becoming mentors in some of the projects. And the common trait amongst them was that they didn't care about getting selected in LFX. They would contribute irrespectively. So that's the trait that I have seen. And it wouldn't be like, oh, LFX applications are starting next week. I'm going to contribute now and then I'll get selected and I'll get paid and then I'll get that in my resume. So that's one type of people. Other types of students are like, okay, LFX, I'll apply, no worries. But I'll still contribute irrespectively because I want to learn. I want to grow. That's one of the main motivations why students contribute to open sources. Learning and to be quite fair, yeah, job as well. And that is fine. Like open source is a great way to represent your skills. And if you get a job or role by that, highly encouraged it. But yeah, I think that's a challenge. And maybe you can have a discussion around how to retain contributors and get more mentors. Yeah, in the mentor mentee framework, there's a point in them, how to find a mentor section. If you don't know someone, you can't just go out of the blue and get someone to mentor you personally. Like, why should I mentor you personally, right? So when you're first starting out, I think it's nice to have decentralized mentorships, ideally asking questions in public, joining the Slack communities. If you have any questions, ask it in the public channel rather than depending on like one person. And when you're in that project, in that community for a while, you may build relationships of people, may help you like personally as well. But I think it will help you as a student, if you keep more discussions in public. But yeah, if we need more mentors, yeah, yeah. No question. Yeah. Hi, Kunal. This is Laksh and I'm also a student. So my question is like, do you, along with the CNC of students, plan to collaborate with universities and maybe pass on some lower leadership roles to students as well? Yeah, again, there's no leadership. Like that's what I'm saying. There's no like role or stuff like that. It's open so anyone can contribute. And this is not like, I wanted to set it as a working group, but we discussed it and they were like, you can talk to mentoring people. So it's relatively new in terms of establishing it. So you can join the next Contributor Strategy Mentoring Working Group meeting. Then we'll discuss how we can more formalize this. I can't speak for the CNCF. So ideally it'd be nice to support like universities and colleges, but and they have been like very encouraging. Like I spoke to them and they were like, yeah, I spoke to Bill. Bill, if you go to the CNCF students repo, there's a campus captain's thing you're working on. So these are like student representatives at local universities. Again, I can't speak for CNCF, but I think most of the resources that are available like training courses and you can attend cube cons virtually as a student for free and the certifications and stuff. I think those are accessible to everyone. So in the end, it just it's like, who takes the initiative to start this in your campus? And ideally like, yeah, right now, maybe in the future when people have like, we don't really discuss it and we see the value, then yeah, maybe CNCF does something like that. But yeah, ideally one thing is like, I'd like to close it with this. You can apply as a CNCF ambassador if you're a student as well, because they recently got announced the new CNCF ambassadors and a lot of them were students. So you can apply. So if you want official mentorship support from CNCF or whatever, apply as a CNCF ambassadors as a student. Thank you. That's nice. They have made it very structured now. So they do like, it's more structured than ambassador program. Like it, it's very good. First of all, I would like to thank you very much for kickstarting this movement and leading it forward, both as a master student and honestly as a person, quite irritated with the current state of academia. Last time on the Kubernetes community days in Amsterdam, I think it was in February. There was a session where it was possible to ask questions to Priyanka and I explicitly asked about what are the plans of CNCF regarding empowering the students and giving them some kind of way to contribute within the community and learn how it is. And she mentioned that something like this is starting. So I'm really, really happy that it's actually a thing. And I gotta say that as I mentioned, I'm quite irritated with the state of academia, which doesn't really give students many opportunities to see how it actually is in the ongoing world, but also how stubbornly they're sticking to the old ways of teaching and not really trying new ways of doing stuff. I use very specific example back when I asked question to Priyanka of using some obscure enterprise distribution of Postgres for the databases students, while when I showed my bachelor's colleagues how to kickstart Postgres database in a Docker container, they were amazed. But of course, nobody even showed them Docker in one of the first years of their bachelor's. And this is even a problem in pretty good universities, but I can speak for myself because I'm the master's student at TU Delft here in the Netherlands. There are some incentives also among the professors themselves to incentivize students to contribute to open source. For instance, many software architecture-related courses can embed asking students to contribute into the open source projects. For instance, we're asked to choose a project, analyze it and make some contributions. It could be documentation, as you mentioned, but it could be also some features or bug fixes. So I think in addition to all the points that you mentioned regarding students doing some movements on their own and also students' developer clubs, like for example the Google ones, it could be also good if students could actually reach out to the professors who have this forward thinking of sorts and try to ask them to change the curriculum of their courses to include this way of thinking. Analyze the project, try to contribute because let's be honest, the feeling of having your first full request accepted into the upstream is priceless. If you know those kinds of professors, you're very lucky. I did not attend university because of that reason, but I started contributing to open source in my freshman year and for the same reasons. I can only speak for myself, but that's the gap between theory and practical knowledge is a really big one in the universities. But yeah, thank you for sharing. Yeah, another question, thank you. Thanks for the question. I'll give you the coupon. So I am a professor at NYU. NYU is great, my college is garbage. I created two of the CNCF projects. One is a graduated and one is an incubating level. And we have a lot of students who contributed to those. Really everything that happens at NYU in Tandon is very focused on open source and real world. So I understand that certain universities, especially universities in certain parts of the world, have a reputation for not doing very practical things. And I understand that. I want to say that's not universal. And what I really wanted to ask you about is from my perspective as a professor who has lots of students that work on different things and contribute to different projects, I've done things where I've mentored students for all sorts of open source projects, things well outside the LF2, TOR, and we've patched all kinds of bugs in Python and the Linux kernel and done a lot of work like that. So what would an ideal setup or partnership be from a faculty or school perspective? Because one thing that I've heard here is, viewing this more like a Google summer of code thing where students get pay, my experience is that many students also really want to do something like get credit, like college credit or do a thesis or something like that. So I'm wondering if maybe another way to approach this is to try to set up a program like that where a faculty member at different universities can identify them as someone who's willing to effectively be the name on the registration for the fact that this student is contributing to a Linux Foundation project and give that student a grade in the end. It's my dream. Okay. Yeah. So that might be another avenue. No, that was, that's my dream. Ideally, like I actually said that exact same thing in my freshman year. I was like, oh, I'm contrary to open source. Can I not use this as a way of credits? So I think it depends on university whether they accept it or not, right? If you contribute to open source, we will take that as credits. So first of all, really thank you for you, like for encouraging your students to do that. I think we're running out of time, but I'll take more questions because I'll be here. I want to end it with a few things. I forgot. Come on, come on. What I was going to say. Yeah. So I was going to say, yeah. Thanks for joining. And these are all the resources. Ideally, in an ideal, you know, good world, anyone who asks questions around, I'm a student. I want to grow. I want to become a mentor. I want to get a job. I want to do this. I want to do that. You should be able to point them to CNC or like students and also from the community side, there are already plenty of resources and open source programs, mentorship initiatives, that's the CNCF runs. So growing those a little bit more, like if these are there for the benefits, then you should definitely make advantage of that. The student track, students are like, hey, we want our stories to be heard. Apply to the student track. I was a student track, like I reviewed some proposals and stuff, along with Brad this time. We got like 12 submissions or something. So why are not more people applying? Most students should apply. If you're attending, might as well apply. So I'll just make use of these resources and just give ideas, share ideas, how we can do it better, how we can support students, what other resources we can provide, what are the challenges they have and attend the working group meeting. But yeah, just take a screenshot. This should be it. And GitHub repository, if you have any ideas, you can also open up an issue and there's a project discussion section as well. Oh, you can text me personally as well. I would regret that later, but you can do that. But anyway, because I get already too many things happening, but yeah, happy to help, happy to grow this and looking forward to collaborating with everyone. I'll be here to discuss stuff, but yeah, I'll see you in some of these meetings, the working group ones. Yeah, all right, thank you.