 Big shit, big shit, big shit, huh, name another podcast like this, who gon' burn? Check it, check it, check it, this is your unique house, this is your boy, E.C.O. And I'm with the lovely, amazing, outstanding official, Mr. Mako, what's going on? None, none, you know my dad will walk on. Man, we here today, man, this guy's a gem, man, this is my guy. Hey, man, I'm in ATL again, you already know what time it is, man, there is the shunt in the building. Yes, sir, Ski, right here in the flat. Man, what's going on, man? Man, I'm chillin', man, blessed, man, better than I ever been. Man, hey, man, you looking good, too. Thank you, man. Boy, that's what they do. Some of these niggas, when you come back, niggas, they don't look the same. Yeah, they get like that, that's fine. Niggas fall off, man. Yeah, I came back on the right time. Yeah, I came back at the right time. That's it, that's it, for sure. Man, last time we came down, man, we just enjoyed you, man. I appreciate you for always picking up that phone when we called, man. Oh, yeah, for sure. Always showing us love, bro. I mean, we came in this game, man. I ain't know if we're gonna be doing all this this long. I came in for COVID. I was like, nigga, I'm forgetting people to come on my podcast, sell a few shirts in the store, nigga. And with this, it's up. Next thing you know, they hold them, blew up on me. Yeah, blew up. Everybody like, nigga, I'm getting calls from all over the U.S., nigga, and other countries, nigga. Bless. I'm trying to go with you when you go overseas, man. I ain't never been. You don't keep coming over there. I ain't never been in no way. We going to Jamaica to do this. Man, I ain't never been in no way. You gotta go with us. I just literally, just for the first time, I like put in on the phone for my passport. Yeah. Where is the first place you want to go? Jamaica. Whoever booked me first. Really? The first place they booked me. We need to get you to Jamaica, man. I'm with them. You going to go over there? You better go get that overseas money. You should just take the family and go be the first strip. Oh, yeah. You don't have to worry about, you know, you got to be here for one day and then leave. You can just go somewhere for the whole week. See, you know, me, I'm kind of like, I don't know the word, but it's often the same. But me, we're going to turn all this into one thing. You feel me? That's him. Look, yeah, you feel me? That's him. I got to show him Switzerland. Y'all need to come over and get ready. Get them kid passport together. We're going to stay for two days. Okay? I'll be trying to make it count, man. He's fast. He's like, this is the write-off. Yeah. You feel me? We're coming back. We're in the party. Yeah, we're here to get it. Yes, sir. Man, so you, man, you a whole different species, man. When it comes down to what you do, man, it's a lot of cats that want to work with you. They've been coming through the show, man. Shout out, I think, who's at the other day that was on the show that wanted to highlight him? Buffy Johnson. Buffy Johnson. Buffy Johnson. You heard him? He out of Dallas. Yeah, I seen him in your show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He basically wanted to highlight you, man. He told me, he was like, man, that boy good, too. Sound good. That pain style is there. Appreciate it. I want to hear, I want to hear, I want to give a dream from the south. Yeah, let's get it. Hey, let's put it together. Man, that's crazy. He's like, man, I got to get with him, man. And you know, just... And T-Rail talked really good about you. T-Rail talked good about you. Yeah, that's my dog. That's all I brought up for Elvin. The nigga crazy because he say, man, E-man, I seen that nigga, Maree, man. I walked into him and said, man, why are you running from me? I seen that too, man. I seen that too. And I was like, man, this boy, hell yeah. That was so funny. But I love that about him, though. He's pulling up. He's pushing up. He's going to talk to you, you know, to get it. He's really genuine. Like, he love you. Hey, what's up, bro? He's worried like, fuck that. We can stop now. Let's go to the studio now. Like, he only like... But I love that. But when I posted that clip, in my mind I'm thinking, I hope people really get what he really means behind all of this and the fact that don't stop. I mean, like, don't let people with a popularity don't let the stardom, you know, deter you from walking up to somebody and say, hey, I want to work with you. Come on, let's do this now. Don't get caught up in all this hype and all this other stuff. It's all about working, making that bread, doing what you need to do. Yeah. All the way. I just hope that they see the true meaning behind what he was trying to say. Some people, you know, some people going to think however they think, even if you break it all the way down for them, they still going to see it whole, how they want to see it. He didn't. Like I said, for me it was like genuine and he was just basically saying, man, he want to work with everybody. Y'all see him out here. He pushing on up on you. And he don't give up. No, he ain't going to give up. Yeah, he going to keep going. He say though, when he was in there with Deriz, he said, that nigga there ain't bagged that. That nigga, he got to come on winning. Yeah, I'm different. I'm different. But he said he helped you and you helped him because he said he helped you with the hooks. I'm like, yeah, because you know, I get it, he can sing, sing. I'm doing my thing, holding the note, but he can sing, sing. So yeah, we in there and he's coming there. Like I got some exclusive, you know what I mean? I got some stuff. We working on the, you know what I mean? The whole part. That'll be dope. So yeah, he was doing that. And you know, I come in with the verses. He like, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, yeah, what in there? I never forget. I think me, him and like a couple of producers, we was in the studio. We booked the whole studio. Like, so we could work in this room, this room and this room. He was in there doing hooks. I was over here doing verses. We was rotating niggas making beats. When he get done with a hook, I come in and do a verse. We probably did like eight songs that day. Working. Working. Man. Is it hard? And guess what? It was in like two, three hours though. It wasn't like a whole day. It was like a couple of hours. We had like eight songs. But not everybody can do that. That's what I was about to say. Right, right. Everybody can do that. You don't have to have that chemistry to be able to do that. You got to have the chemistry. You got to have the want. You got to have the ambition to drive, you know, the real talent. Like, you know what I'm saying? Anybody can rap, but you got to be able to make music. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. No, you wanted those guys, man. You done seen it though. You done been in there. You done been through a lot, bro. Like you, I seen you come through a lot of different phases. You wanted those guys, man. Even the fact of, even Ralo, the one that you, you know, was on the label, he locked up there. Free my dog. Free Rolo. Holiday Rolo. How's that? How's he doing? Oh man, he doing good. Good spirit, still working. You know what I'm saying? He was recording in there. He ain't never trying to get through it. Yeah. He's in the drop. He got something going on. Yeah. Yeah, he working. Well, I'm saying he put a drop. For sure. And I'm on now. You know what I'm saying? I love it, man. That's dope, bro. Yeah. Like that's a real one. Like when you stay down like that, you know, most niggas forget about you, bro. I don't know if you understand how hard it is for a nigga when he been gone two, three years. When my nigga was gone two years, you remember when my partner was gone, I didn't even help him for the first year. Yeah. Because I say when these niggas fall off, he got a five. I got to roll with him the rest of the way. And that's what I did. You see what I'm saying? I knew the niggas was going to help him up front, but I knew I wanted to hold him all the way down. Sometimes they ain't helping up front. No, I'm saying like this was the immediate family. I've seen it. I know I'm like a book. I'm like when I come through, it's going to be that push that's going to, you know, make a difference. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I know folks get in there. Ain't no help from the gate. I know folks, I don't help while they was in there. Get out. Ain't hold it. And you say hi. Nothing. I ain't seen them. Heard them. Nothing. Really? Heard them. You mean who's stronger? Makes you. I mean, you know. Fuck. Yeah. Because I'm trying to figure out too, like, I'm going to be stronger than others. I ain't tripping. Yeah, I ain't tripping, but I'm glad it only took that to get you from around. Exactly. But I'm cool. You coulda hit me for more. So coulda. You coulda hit me for more. You coulda hit, man. What? You coulda came home like, hey, man, I need a 10 or 20 or something. I probably would have been like, fuck, I gotta do it. This is my boy. Don't call me, please. Run off. Run off. Man, so did you. No, what I wanted to ask you, because I know a lot of time with mental health, you always talk about that. Yeah. And I see you post sometimes, you know, y'all show me some love. Y'all check in. Yeah. I see you do that. How important it is to have your fans, to have your family, friends, or whoever is actually giving you that love on social media. How important is that for you? It's important, right? I'm going to answer the question, right, straight up. It's important on social media, being that the world is kind of like social media first. Right. Real life kind of second for a lot of people. Not me, but a lot of people. So it's good to know that, you know, you could show and display that you having a real support system. You really got folk that believe in you, you know what I'm saying? You really got fans that's right there behind you, every step of the way, a real following, a real fan base, you know what I'm saying? So it's important to get the love, but in real life, it's more important to feel that love from a brother calling just to check on you or, you know what I'm saying? Because mentally, artists, we go through so much, but we can't display it all the time. So sometimes we do have a breaking point where we may display the wrong shit at the wrong time. And then again, it runs straight to social media and then they try to put this on it and that on it. Yeah, it's important in social media, but also more important in real life. So you know, had those breaking points. Yeah, because one thing I was always saying that I'm happy that you're very transparent with that is concerned because the first time I saw it, it made me wonder, I hit him up and I'm like, hey, check on the rest because I didn't like that post. You be like, you know, I'm going through something or I'm mentally about to break or something like that. And you put it out there and I'm like, dang, is he okay? Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, sometimes, a lot of times, I'm gonna let y'all know, a lot of times, that's promo. I'm getting y'all attention like, the song I'm gonna drop, there's like that right now, it's called Save Me. That's why I'm, you know what I'm saying? I'm mentally about to break Save Me. You know what I'm saying? It's just getting ready for the new drop, yeah. But you gotta be careful because to me, when you do that and you know, it's promo, that's cool, but then for people who genuinely care about you, it makes us worthy. Or not, yeah, that's the fact, cool, we add the vein to everybody. Yeah, show me the love. Don't call me just because you seen the folks call me. Yeah, I'm good, but I like it. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, we good. We all ain't gonna be good. That's good. I can tell you right now, man, like I said, you one of those guys, man, you have me going, man. Like I said, when I hear the music coming, I already know it's gonna be smash and it's gonna be something that I can sit back and vibe to, you know what I'm saying? Be nods. Be nods. Be nods all the way up to dirty mirrors now. What has changed with the rest of the show? Everything. Everything. Talk to me about how this transition happened and let's just ride down through that because that early on the rest was, I was a different beast than the one we deal with today. You know what I'm saying? It was a very different. So tell me what's the difference? Very. I'm talking about a very, yeah. Back then that was a hungry beast. You know what I'm saying? A beast on drugs, really depending on drugs, like for real, I couldn't record without taking some type of thing to have me going. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I was into it. I was working, the work ethic was different. I was surrounded by a lot of different energies, different people. How did you stop taking drugs? Honestly, man, my girl, like I ain't even gonna lie. Oh yeah? Like honestly, my girl and my kid, like I had done relapsed and got back on a particular drug and she was like, you gonna be on that? You gonna lose her? We out. We ain't dealing with no jazz shit like that. Yeah. So I was like, damn. So you're telling me the love that you had for your family? And my kid, yeah. And my kids, yeah. Because the reason why I ask you that, because there's so many celebrities out here who were the pass away from, you know, drug overdose or, you know, I could call so many names. And they have family. They have where the wife, kids, all of that. And it's like the drugs beat them. And like trying to figure out how hard is it? It's hard. It's real hard. But you know, I mean, you care about what you care about. You know, me, my family is the most important thing to me over anything. Like I don't care about, you know, nothing more than I care about my family, not my career, not my bank, you know, none of that. Like my family is the most important thing. We could live on the bridge as long as I got my family on straight. How long were you on drugs before you actually stopped? How many years? I always been on some type of pill, like an upper, you know what I'm saying? A milder, adderol, something. Like the whole time, like my whole career. And the reason why I ask you that, because, you know, you have some people who'll be watching it and be like, oh yeah, he could get off because he was not in very long. So you know, I'm just trying. I've been on drugs since I ever started rapping. Yeah. You feel me? And I ain't saying it in a way like that, but I'm going to just say that I was doing it before it was cool. Like I used to go to the studio and niggas would be like, hey, I want one of you. I'm like, what the hell is that? You feel me? And I ain't thinking. I'm thinking like, oh, shit, it just, yeah, I get out. You feel me? Yeah, yeah. But now it's popular so everybody's doing it. But yeah, I was doing it when it was like, nigga, what are you in there doing? And looking back on it, because you're still doing music, you're still performing, do you see where, because, okay, in my mind, I always feel like it's a pressure being an artist. So that's why a lot of them end up taking drugs, because you go through a whole bunch of stuff personally in your life, whether baby mama drama, girlfriend drama, whatever, family drama, you have to support all these people, you have to do all of these things. Plus you got to come on stage with that happy personality, give the performance of a lifetime, which you don't feel it. So a lot of people, I feel like celebrities turn to drugs just to get that buzz feeling. Just to keep going. To keep going, because you're tired, because you're a human being, you're tired, you don't want to go to the studio, you don't want to, but you have to. Got to. So now that you're not on any of this stuff, how hard is it to do all of these things without that? It's hard. I ain't gonna lie, it's hard, because even sometimes, handling my business, I may go through a situation with my daughter or something, she done did something in school. I come here, like for example, I can come right here. I'm trying to do an interview. You'll see it. It's on me. And I'm working on that though, because that ain't how I need to be. But me knowing that, I'm gonna start taking natural things. Like right now, I'm on Alphabrain focus. So I'm feeling like I'm on an Adderall. Does it work? Does it work? Yeah. Of course, it ain't gonna be as intense as the real thing. Right. But it feels like, yeah. As a pacifier. Yeah, that pretty much just helps you. That's the thing about it, man, though. You one of those guys, man, that you've been through so much. Most people, man, something people crash out for to even deal with something like this, bro. Like your career has been... You gotta have somebody to be there and believe in you, bro. And my kid, like all like, my friends at the time, they didn't give a damn. Like nobody gave a damn. Hey, that ain't shit. That what he do, fuck it. He couldn't make a hit, though. You know what I mean? Nobody cared about the shit. But that's a lot of people because I've heard people say stuff like that. Like, for big celebrities, like, I don't care what you gotta do, you just gotta push this out. Fact. I mean, you know, I ain't... You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I'm just speaking on situations that I don't see firsthand. I don't see motherfuckers off at all. Like, hey, man, what you need, bro? You need to crank your shit up. What's up? Yeah. Yeah. They don't care about you. They all like that. They won't get a hit. Your money-making machine. Right. That's all you is. Your money-making machine. We need you to work. You usually wake up. But you know already that as you go through these phases in life, man, you know, the most important thing is your health. The most important thing is your family. You don't understand how you're working because... The most important thing is your kids. The most important thing. And you can't see it. But you can't see it. And because we get this shit put in our mind like this, right? You can't do shit for nobody until you start doing it for you. Right? That's right. All right. But then there's music. So you make a hit. Right. And continually make a hit. Right. Continuously, right? That's what they say. Mm-hmm. Right? So then you got kids that you got them missed time with because you're always going... You're always working on that hit. You're always working on the video. Exactly. You're always working on trying to be in the radio or somebody face all... Like you're always trying to figure out how to catch that wave. Mm-hmm. So you can catch that shit. So you can catch them shows so you can keep that money coming, right? And that's what I was going to say. The biggest difference from the old beast to the new beast is I'm going to do what I want to do. Like I'm going to do what I do to make me happy. If I don't feel good, I'm not doing that. If I don't want to go, I'm not going there. Mm-hmm. And I don't care what nobody say. You know what I'm saying? I like that. If I want to be at my kid's birthday party for three days, nigga, I'm going to do that because I missed a hundred birthdays already. Right. You know what I mean? And I know, like, you know, my son be missing me. My daughter's like, come on, bro. Ain't nothing more precious. No, I like that, man. I like it because that just shows growth, man. It shows growth and it shows, you know, knowledge now. Knowledge, yeah. Like, I can go out here and do a show, pass out, and not come home. What you talking about? That's the truth. But I had my kids and I got nothing to tell you when they say, who was your daddy? Oh, the direct son? Mm-hmm. No. I'm going to be daddy. My daddy was fun. My daddy loved us. My daddy took us here. We did that. Like, you know what I'm saying? That's real. So, if you meet a young, talented, upcoming artist right now who, when you look at them, because I know you all be bumping into each other sometimes at the studios and stuff like that, and you can see them going down the same path or have the same mis-illusion to think that you have to do these things to be successful. Mm-hmm. How would you advise that person? That's a good question. Honestly, when you young and you new and you fresh, it's kind of like you gotta go hard. But be smart at what you're doing. Know what you're going hard for. I would advise them to don't take sleep for granted because a lot of the times, artists go through a lot of the health issues that they go through because of lack of sleep. Wow. And this is something I'm known by, you know, going to doctor, and they're like, hey, man, you need to sleep. Yeah. So, you're dissing that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And sleep really can fuck with your mental health. Yeah. No lie, sleep. Mm-hmm. Not sleeping for days and days consistently. That do something to your mental health. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, I would advise them to don't play with your sleep. Proper sleep. Yeah, proper. But I mean, it's going to be hard to get proper. But you know, when you catch an hour, doze off, nigga. Don't try to stay up the whole time. Yeah. Catch an hour. Yeah. Wrap. Go home. Get you three hours. Yeah. How are you taking that? Like, yeah, sleep. I'd look at this as opportunity, like for boss talk, it's just really like a lot of the young niggas. We see in the comments what people be talking about, man, nigga, how this nigga there. And my thing is, for us, just to be an example to the people that God put in our life, you know what I'm saying? Just like you going to that studio now, you being one that's temperamental and self-control is there. They're going to see that in you. And that's going to be another thing that they can draw for. It ain't about much as what you say. It's about how you move. Yeah. How you move. So they looking at you and they like, damn, you know, because they ain't seeing the old you that used to do like they doing. Right. So now they like, damn, what make him tick? How did he beat it? How? But only by your actions. Yeah, fast. You see what I'm saying? They ain't going to say it to you. Yeah, yeah. They like, damn, you know, like because I'm going through it. Because a lot of time when you're going through that stuff, it be like, you be tired. That's why I personally, you know, I don't know about nobody else. I personally like to ask the questions that I ask because I know how people are. You can walk up to somebody and give them that same advice that you're giving right here. Mm-hmm. And they're going to act like they're not listening to you. Mm-hmm. So I prefer when they can look on their YouTube and whatever and hear it and take it to heart and be like, man, I'm going, you know, because they're not going to let you know that you help them. Right. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. That's just how life is. Yeah, you right. But if you can help somebody, it's a blessing. Yeah, I hope I help them. Yeah, we all listen to me. But if you listen to them, you take heed. You'll be all right. You being independent now, would you ever go back into a label deal? Yeah, because it's different. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's different platforms. You know what I mean? Like, that being independent, I just can't get into like, and I mean that in the sense of, this industry is just like a whole bunch of politic knowing somebody. And you know, these, these labels be having relationships with different situations. So it's like, I would definitely do it if it was right. Like if it was presented right. And if it worked in my favor for what I'm trying to do. But I would never go into a major deal to be the sacrificial lamb again. Like that I got to put all this work in. I ain't going home to my kids no more. I got to stay here and stay like, no. Explain that to me though. Like, how did you feel like that closed in on you? Like that? Like for example, right? Like I don't have conversations with, you know, in Israel. Like I don't have conversations with, I may have been late to some shit or, I say, no, I can't do that this day. Because I'm like, yeah, I got to do this with my kids. I'm gonna fucking say it. Fuck your kids. No. What? That's what I said. But a young me, stupid. I said something, like on some check them shit. But then I thought like, damn, you're right. I can't let this be the reason why I'm not doing what I got to do to feed them. You see what I mean? You know what I mean. And that's how they put that in the nigga head. And that's why I say, I won't go back to that shit. I never go sign a major for them to do that shit again. Hell no. But I feel like it's tradition in a lot of ways because men period, whether in this industry or not, feel like it's their role to feed their family at all costs. No matter what. As long as they have their wife or girlfriend or baby mama, whoever at home, they know their kids are safe. They know their kids are being nurtured. They feel a sort of relief to know that they're being taken care of. I feel that too. But then again, you gotta just think, right? What woman really want to just be that in life? Right. Women want to, they got dreams too. Like they ain't just trying to sit at the house. So it's like, it's hard. You feel what I'm saying? That shit get hard. Like when you, especially life for me, right? My fiance, I got a fiance now. Congratulations. Congratulations. Yeah, thank you, thank you. Party women here. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah, nigga, we got you. Nigga, we got you, nigga. Bring him on in, nigga. Yeah, congratulations, nigga. We got that, nigga. Thank God, yeah. She damn broke out, yeah. That's who you be. I knew it. I had a mother being home with my cousin. I remember when he first got married, now he ain't with her no more. The boy when he first got married, I'm going to say to let y'all get back to it. He was like, I like, damn, nigga, you know how you try to hurt a nigga feeling? Oh, nigga, you, you in love, nigga. I thought the nigga was going to say, nah, I ain't that nigga's nigga. So, so hot. That's why I'm feeling heavy. Don't play, nigga, don't play. Love a beautiful thing, man. When it's done, when it's real love. Yeah. So like I was saying, you know, like she got her own thing popping out like, so it's like, um, I mean, yeah, I ain't going back to that. That's all I'm saying. My whole household trying to be somebody. My kid's trying to, I got a daughter want to sing. I got a daughter want to sing. Like, you know what I mean? We all trying to get in there. My son want to produce and do what he doing. Like, yeah, I ain't, I never go back to being that derricky. Like, you know what I'm saying? You're going to use all of the things that you learned from this, um, field to help your children. For sure. You understand? Show them what not to do, what to do. And I guarantee you these kids are so smart. They going to teach you some. They already do. I don't know how to talk. Do you think Tom? Yeah. They do that. I just like, hey look, uh, the promo sheets. So I need to do this. Help me, uh, figure this out. They do that. I don't. That's cool. Yeah. That's cool. That's dope, man. You know, you just, like I said, you, you one of them guys, man that to me, like I said, you, you, you started a wave. You was in a wave, you know, don't get me wrong. I seen everybody doing the singing thing. But when that hardaway came, the way that it came during that time, it, when nobody rocking it like that though, it was different. It was just that time. It was just a perfect time. It was different time, bro. It was, I couldn't, you couldn't make that up, bro. Like, I don't even know. Nah, man. How did they feel like, I know you told me last time it was a hit and everybody knew it was a hit. But how did, how did, I mean it, it opened a lot of doors for you. Oh my. It, it, it opened a lot of doors that got closed by, not me. Let's say that, like the open doors that people try to manipulate and, and they closed on me. And that's ultimately why I chose to remain just independent and reopen my own doors, rebuild my relationships with my own folk. I don't need nobody speaking for me, talking about, oh, he the next one, nigga, they know. You know what I mean? That's already solidified at this point. Right. You did the right thing. Right. Because really today's society is, is more of an independent driven way that the music streams go to me anyway. You know what I'm saying? Don't get me wrong. There's some nicks out there. I got a good deal of cool, but you can make it on your own. You can, but the misconception of being independent is you got to have all the tools though. That's it. You did. I was going to ask you, like the BET Awards coming up and I'm going to let you finish that because people be like, you cut him off. I wanted to hear what he had to say about that. Right. I know that. I got it. But the independent thing, man, the BET Awards coming up, you know what I'm saying? Like, like to just show up there, you know, you know, the vibe, you have to have a budget for this. Right. And you like, I'm going to show up. And if you did, and you decided to make a run on something, independently. Yeah. These are the things that you start backing in for yourself. You got to have a budget. You have to have a connect. You have to have somebody that's knowing somebody that gets you in. Like, it ain't just a walk up. Walk up in there. I'm me now. I'm the rest. The budget is out of your own pocket. Yeah. Independent, yeah. But can't you get sponsors? You can, but that's what people don't know. Like, you can definitely get private investors. Right. You can get sponsors. You can get... So you can actually get money without actually having a label and without it coming out of your pocket. Right. Exactly. And that's the catch. You just have to be able to present yourself properly and be able to represent that brand properly. Right. And not mess that up. Represent that brand properly, represent yourself properly and know how to be in the room or devote. Exactly. But what did you learn, though, when you were in these rooms, when you were under your deal, that you can carry into this independent stage of your career? Um, what I learned was, like, relationships. Like, honestly, like, them relationships is the most important thing to any career. Because if you, if you, if you disrespect or shit on or not show up to something that one of these people doing this, this and that for you doing, they can shut your shit down. Do you folks sit in the office for hours coming up with this marketing scheme shit and the rollouts to how you doing this? And if you don't, if you don't represent them well and show them the love and support they need, they can put you in the back, like, and I learned that. So from my personal relationships, I mean, I learned that from my personal experience. Now, when I go meet y'all or something, y'all can call me and I'm picking up. Hey, what's happening? Yeah, yeah, I'll push up. No pressure. DJs. Hey, man, you'll do this on me. Hey, y'all will. Hey, bro, we doing a show for whatever day in such and such city. Can you come? Hell, yeah. You feel me? I got you. You got me. We got each other. We don't keep going. I don't want to come to you. You don't have to. Everything you do. But I've had people who've been on the show who say that independence, it can only carry you so far, but you need a label to, whether distribution or to carry you even further. Again, it depends on who, what artist you are. And it depends on what you're trying to do. Right? What are you trying to do? I'm just doing what I love. Like, I ain't trying to... You ain't trying to get... If it happened, it happened. But that's not my, that ain't my focal point. Like, I ain't like, ooh, I'm shooting for the stars. I want to be drinking next year. Oh, okay. No, I'm doing what I love. You know what I'm saying? I'm doing what, give me peace of mind, what therapeutically help me. I'm making good money. I'm making good money doing it. My kids, you know, they, they with it. They like, yeah, that's my daddy. You know what I'm saying? They proud of me. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, whatever, come with it, come with it. But I ain't, like, I accomplished my goal. You know what I mean? I became a successful person. You know, that ain't normal from where I'm from. So I ain't tripping on the other shit. Like, yeah, I'm good. I'm grateful. Yeah. You know, that's the one thing about it. You know what I'm saying? No man, going forward, you know what I'm saying? Grabbing a plow and going forward, look back without running into something. You got to be careful and looking back. Once you've already treaded through those different places, you already accomplished that. Right. So now it's time to move on to the next stage. We in a phase now where it's back at it again. You know how niggas second wind? Yeah. We better come back at you. And it's a whole, brother, listen to me, I'm a whole time somebody. The new music, I'm going to draw the new things I got going on. This new energy that I done bumped into. I don't need like, yeah. Where did it come from? I don't, I just prayed, man. Yeah, I've been praying just for a piece of mind. Like, when is the project coming? Almost. Yeah, nigga. You're new. I almost said this at that. But you know, you know, all I'm saying dates only because anything might happen. Yeah, but soon, what the money is? Tell me. So what month? I had a time to have me in like a week. So, you know how that game goes. Yeah. Give me three weeks. October or something. We got to get you to, you got, you coming to Texas, I know. Is this going to be your best album ever? You know what? I was just talking to somebody the other day. Yesterday, I was at we was at the video shoot. Me and London J. And I was in the back talking about and we was discussing like my old like pain one is so legendary. Yeah, yeah. Well, I ever top that. Right. And I'm like, I don't know. Like I don't, I don't ever look at it like top in it because it's like, this is pain one. That's what that is. You know, pain two is this. That's what this is. Pain three is this. This is what this is. And I feel like all them shit classes and the legend there, but I don't know which one can it's a whole different album or a whole different animal each time phases. You can't even try to duplicate or either go against it because these are different phases you in exactly. And this one this an album called bigger than me too. Hey, yeah. So this phase is going down. Yeah, it's big. You're going to let us in on who going to be on that thing, man. Man, I'm working any features, anything. Can I get anything in the game? I've been trying. I've been trying. Like, you know, I don't been getting features on there. Yes, and we're going to do it. Let's lock it in. Send it. But you know, everybody be on there on time, but I'm ready to drop. I ain't gonna lie. I mean, I'm ready to drop. Yeah. So, um, I definitely reached out to a lot. I know for show T real on there. My boy right there. For show. He on there. He might be on there motherfucker. Come on. Say, man. Hey, when he when he talks, he say, numbs don't lie. I was the first one with that pain. I mean, I was waiting for that. Say you agree? With what? With T real, that he was. No. Listen. Look, they say Bob's talking, he's starting to trouble you. No. Look, I could. I swear, I saw it. You say, what did you say? I said, I'm a raw wave face of that. Yeah. I said, that's how you feel. That's how you that's how you pull the field. But now, numbs don't lie. I said, we go to 2010. I mean, I could go to 1999. If we want to. Y'all, you was already on that thing. You feel me? I just wasn't nobody at the time. Exactly. You feel me? Like I've been doing it. I just didn't have the platform. But who was it? This is an old school rapper that they They name zero. They say zero. They name zero. Yeah. Yeah. See, and I I salute them. I salute them. I do. But I'm I'm saying, you know how, I don't know how to like the proper. Go ahead. Just say it. Yeah. Like, cause I've been trying to, you know, you see how I be working on my articulation. All right. So it's like since those guys ain't nobody else been doing it. Okay. You did. So you have. So you're not saying you're the first. Yeah. I am not the official first. Right. I'm just saying anybody doing it now, they me crummy. Okay. You didn't want to say it. Yeah. But he said, what 2014? He said 1990. How would you say? I was just playing with him. 1990. He wasn't. Yeah. You said it. I got, I got songs though. Like, I mean you could, but like I said, I wasn't me. I wasn't the red sun. Yeah. You can look up D-dads. You can look up D-bo. You can look up all of my old names. And you'll see like, Oh damn, he really been doing this. Been doing. For a long time. Yeah. When I was doing that, they was like, man, don't nobody want to hit this shit. You know what I'm saying? So that's when it came in that phase with D-bo. If y'all been in that area with me, D-bo was on the gangster rap. Oh, all right. Y'all don't want to hit that. All right. Let me pop this real gangsta shit in. Then it got to, Oh, let me do real music. Let me just switch it. Right. I don't have to sing about girls. I can sing about my pain. Or I don't have to, you know, back then I used to try to make an album, thinking I was making an album. Like I'm going to have a hit. So this is going to be the hit. This the girls on, I'm going to make a real song. I'm going to sing on this one. But now it's like, hell nah, just let me do all that shit like that. Put it all in one. Sing. Sing about being broke. Sing about not eating. Sing about, you know what I mean? And it worked. Like. Damn. You know, like I said, I just, I just know you have had some hell of a songs, man, and them transitions was crazy. You got, you, T-Rail, you got Moray, Rod Wave, you know, but Rod Wave different. You know, it ain't, everybody different. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Yeah, all different. Everybody different. And I love every one that you name. I love all this. What did you think when you first heard Rod Wave? He fine. Because you heard him after you already been doing it. Yeah, I said he fine. First thing I said, I swung everything I love. What is it? What is it? Yeah. Uh, street gospel or something, some shit, gospel, something. So when I heard it, right, I never forget. I met my current manager, um, man, I met his house. I'm like, damn, bro, you hear this? This nigga fine. Oh, I got to work with y'all. I was like, you hear this shit? He on the signs, I'm on. He knowing some shit. He going through some shit. Right. And then, you know, he stole the style from you. You wasn't, you wasn't going for it. Yes, and I, the whole time I've been saloon shot of what he doing, you know what I'm saying? Now, I don't know what the politics is or why we ain't worked it or why ain't nobody come into that. Have you seen him? Y'all been around each other? We did, we did, we did. Y'all have words? Did you talk with him? Y'all, Y'all moving there from y'all got your own crews. Yeah, yeah, my fault like, all right, let's get in and stay for the whole shit. No, no, no, no. You got stuff too. You feel me? But yeah, I don't know. I mean, somebody should have connected to that. Okay. Now, let's talk about Murray. When you first seen him come, he heard like, see, yeah, how he came, right? How he came, how I first heard him. I was writing with that. But then when I heard him sing sing, the gospel church sing, I said, oh my God, you got to get this. Hey, hey, uh, remit this. He did really, really sing it like, yeah. Like T-Rail. I said, man, damn, I got to go really get some pleasure. Did you take any? Not hell, I just been kind of self teaching at the house. Me, me, me, me. So, I see you were in that Jurassic Park necklace. What is that all about? Well, from on the south side, Jurassic Park, man, another loss. Oh, okay. I just thought you just loved the movie. Oh, yeah, nah. Hey, man, I know how to say it. Shout out to them, okay, I did. I was a young nigga and I used to large Jurassic Park. I got a dinosaur on my back. Yeah, yeah. But, um, yeah, nah, um, yeah, well, me personally, I want to say shout out to everybody that I was with, everybody that's family, but I don't really talk on that subject because I don't really know how to talk on that subject. Okay, okay. You get what I'm saying? So, yeah, I don't, I don't really, yeah. Have you seen them since? Have y'all talked to them? Nah, I just, I, I've been working. Okay. Yeah, I ain't been, I mean, I'm working. I ain't seen nobody was there, uh, right? Oh, y'all, y'all was all, nigga, y'all broke up in the breakfast, man. I told you last time, you niggas was on TV, real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we were, we were, you know what I mean? It's still like that. I'm just saying, when we talk about that, I don't know how to talk because it was other people involved there. Yeah. I honestly started to see where like the different paid shit start happening. Yeah. When you're involved when you're dealing with all of that, it's so many different moving parts to a whole mechanism when you're dealing with labels and distribution and all the different ways that they can line out the paperwork. I'm nearly said one time he felt like when he signed it, he lost millions of dollars. I'm being real. He could even know they were losing and he didn't know where it was going. I'm saying, I'm being real. They still told the story. You could be my manager, but you can tell me one thing and tell them one thing and they tell you something and you tell me a whole another thing because you in the middle working your, you know what I mean? So that's what I'm saying. There's a lot of different ways it can go. And then when I talk to the label, I'm like, hell no, we never said no shit like that. Now I'm mad at you because of shit you said and now you're trying to explain, no, we weren't supposed to tell him that. I know how to make them grind and work and do what he got to do. It's a good thing you say something like that because it reminds me that we had with Rain Water. No. And he was talking about the differences like with the label, the manager, the artist and stuff like that. He's saying that like the artist usually be more closer with the manager because you always doing stuff with the manager. He was talking about Megan with T Ferris and 1501 Carl. And because how T Ferris took Megan to help her get that deal and took her from you know Carl and stuff like that. So how close, how true is that? Like I'm going to answer the compared to the label. Yeah, I'm going to answer the question. I'm going to answer the question. And then I'm going to answer it like me. That's funny. You know what I'm saying? It's important to be close to the manager and the label. Okay. Now my personal experience is why I say that because it can be communication problem. It can be you let's say you label he the manager. You could say we want the rest to die his hell rainbow and go do it so at the pride month or whatever which I might be with but you not and you say hell no he'll never do that. I don't even know I ain't even talk to you. I probably would. You get it? Now that causes friction. Oh damn I don't know we can, we spend the money. You never had to say so. I don't know what we can do with it and I don't know nobody. Right? Me? No? Answering that question? You're supposed to be close to the manager but you don't let the manager feel like you work for him. Like Yeah. You don't be close to the manager where he feel like he running you like nah nigga we help each other we a team you know what I mean I got something for you to manage you know not for you take this name and thank you a CEO and give what I'm trying to say. So yeah that's how I feel about it. What about DJ Cho said that when we talk to him he said he don't do paperwork no more with no manager he say all it is is a handshake that's it he not doing no more paperwork signing nothing with you it's just a handshake and oh that's it he say cause he done been doing this a long time like yourself and that's all they get. Nah that's deep and that's like a lot of trust like I mean for for on the manager you know what I'm saying cause if he work out tomorrow I'll just say fuck it hey it's like fuck you what I'm gonna do you know what I'm saying I think he said that because for the main fact that when you are artists where you feel like you don't really need a manager cause you do everything yourself already anyway but it's good especially cause as you get bigger and bigger you don't have to have money or somebody to help you cause you don't have the time to deal with all stuff. Yeah I'm learning from me I ain't gonna lie I salute my managers I got two I salute them every day Why you need two they two different different machines you know what I'm saying they doing two different things I mean we all on the same team trying to work toward the same goal but this one do this handle this beast on like paper work computer shit all that this one the beast with the traveling and the Oh so one is your old manager I got two managers I'm just saying this one do a whole bunch of different shit and this one do a whole bunch of different shit but we all right here you know what I'm saying yeah yeah but um I tell them every day cause since I've been independent I've been having to wake up check emails and shit I'm missing shit I'm like oh shit damn they ask for this I call my mama I already did it oh yes damn I'm sorry bro I'ma get better y'all but that's good because it makes it where you know what's going on you know what I mean it's like you checking up on them cause they're supposed to be checking all them emails themselves and doing everything so I'm happy I'm happy that you're still trying to check it and not just cause that's what happened to a lot of artists they just leave everything into these managers hands and to say you know forget it I want to concentrate on being an artist being a rapper being a singer and not have to worry about anything else which it should be like that like honestly man I don't think so I'ma tell you why it's supposed to be somebody you trust definitely you understand what I'm saying it's just like like with anything like a gang a team a business it's all the same to me like if we play if we play in sports right let's say he the wild receiver and you the linebacker and I'm the quarterback I need you to keep the other team from scoring so me and Shawty can go down there god damn go go go like but if one of us get that big hell of that ego thing I worry about just me and now you playing us and now I'm playing me and now I'm in the middle like oh fuck both of ya that's exactly what happens right so that's why you're supposed to be able to trust your teammate to do his thing that human being just like everybody else and they get caught in certain situations where sometimes people that's why I understand Shawty saying that though I understand there's an ego thing and there's a big thing called pride men have ego and pride where they don't always tell you what's going on in their lives so a lot of times you think that your manager is cool that he's good whether monetarily wise or you know cause you know you're painting but you never know what he might be going through gambling doing this somebody extorting him money and then putting in a certain situation and he might have to sabotage you and you don't even know exactly what's going on just put it on put it on hey buddy this is how this is going to go hey you're two managers right now looking at you like no I trust them though I gotta ask you this question man I gotta ask you about I know you watch the news you ain't you know you ain't on some island where you don't see what's going on but we had a hell of a situation in the age town where some Tray and Zero had a somebody got punched in the stomach on TMZ it ain't nothing that ain't been known you know what I'm saying so how cause you you've been through some things where you had to come back and bounce back after being shot and different stuff how hard is that for somebody who's in the music industry that looks a certain way but then the media projects him after they see him go through something like he just experienced you know for a zero go with that situation I don't know like how or what and I'd be staying out of other people being but me um it's hard kind of like to come back from anything that's not what's going on right now like I mean you know they letting certain people do certain things that ain't street right but then you let when street shit happen you try to pick up you try to put somebody like it's street shit bro like if I go beat up a nigga tomorrow I beat him up I ain't trying to hold him down if I get my I got my but being on the rest it's going to be hard for me to right and then the social media and everybody videoing in the heartbeat and seeing how to can sell the footage I can get out there yeah but three but for four or five people tomorrow you know Melvin Farmer has so that's Trey A. Krip he said what you going to do about it you know on the show like I asked him I said you know I told like I just asked you the question and he was like what is he going to do about it what yeah yeah he's so just I mean it be gangsta but they're not really cousins is what I'm hearing now they're not even family oh I thought it was family shit though they everybody felt like they were family because of how they used to back in their days but they've been having conflict a long time ago so to me when this happened he's like out of the blue like y'all been you lived down there the same place like why now y'all probably seen each other why now what happened to spark this to happen you know what I mean and so openly when everything was going on and I'm going to tell you some news like I said it ain't no hidden secret cause it's so open and in the press yeah everybody seeing this on TMZ I was like zero one on TMZ oh yeah he told it I'll talk about it on TMZ I love it yeah cause I don't watch TV I mean I ain't gonna lie no I've seen it you watch it on the watch I watch yeah I watch it I want to watch it on TV but I've seen it on Instagram but I didn't know I thought it was a fan me and my buddies be fine like and I would hate if a nigga take up like if I put these headphones down right now I'm like come here man I just looked on Instagram you trimming we hit I would be very mad if somebody recorded it and put that shit out I felt like neither tomorrow we good we finna go get in the car together like you know what I'm saying so I don't know but that's what I thought it was that's why I ain't never really look at it I can't have nothing to say because I thought it was fan like yeah a lot of he used to be like well that's family business so we stay out of it but when you think about it it's like as again you say you and your cause you and your cause got into it a long time ago and you just couldn't see either for years yeah and then you finally you know caught him somewhere something probably sparked what sparked that to just happen just like that right and you just fought but you haven't been really talking for some years mm-hmm yeah well I gotta ask you another question I can't be down here and I'd ask this question so a lot of people I know what it is we have people hey man shout out to my team who are writing all type of stuff up but you had some guys get arrested down here on the Rico charge all type of stuff that's going on in the Atlanta area and I'm just trying to understand you know like really from the outside looking in how's the chemistry down here now after all this stuff is happening like that far as you you know you are you good yeah yeah yeah yeah you know what's crazy right when all this shit happening with all these different you know what I mean groups of people and you know I don't want to jail on nobody not even my enemy so I feel like at first and foremost it's definitely bad like it's fucked up right but it makes the industry look a certain way I don't know it just look like to me is something going on down here I don't know it's something you know what I mean I don't think it's just here because in Dallas are they trying to sweep up some stuff in Dallas they did some today I've been out of the way a long time I don't fuck with niggas I'll be by myself I think they're trying to clean up where rappers are concerned because it seemed like to me it seemed like they're just attacking a lot of rappers I don't even think that I think we'll have me personally right because I rap right but I rap that's what I do I rap I ain't doing nothing else I ain't I ain't involved in nothing else you know what I'm saying I don't hang round niggas on nothing else I used to biggest mistake in my life with one of them because that shit I ain't yes sir I mean man I'm sorry you know that yeah but yeah I learned from that shit like I said earlier a lot of those that opened up for me were closed because of people I fucked with you know what I'm saying so I knew early get out of the way of this shit I'm not a street niggas I'm not trying to be in the street I don't care what the niggas say I know who I am I know what I came from you know I'll drive two hour to come see me you my boy but I ain't coming out of nothing I ain't with you ain't like nothing but bullshit on my hand you did pull up on me let's kick it let's hang yeah we family but I ain't going out of nothing damn but every time I turn on like you know I don't watch news Harley I jump on TMZ and see what's going on but news wise or on social media but it just feels like a lot of it like you know when they did that to Bill Cosby when you know all of that and then that's what I say it's something going on whoa just on this good day man they trying to get that boy life man life and I interviewed I got an interview coming out with one of his cousins the story that I hear behind it I don't even know if we talked about it we talked about it we talked about it off air but it's more to people don't even realize what's going on but you only know what social media they seen that shit they like I'd be like what the hell so you didn't know he was arrested nah like I'm like when I see that shit it says I'm out of head run middle from some much I'm like yeah they all know it it's been about a month now is it about a month and a half about a month and a half now yeah that's great man yeah but yeah it's all going on because even like it's cool when other people kids round and round listening and playing and all that and then they go back home to their other place but it ain't cool when this is what we come from for real this is how we live in for real and we rap about it now they started so you influencing Timmy to become gangsta man we gotta do something about this I don't want to raise a they're like hold on let's cut this shit because think about this right let me tell you something about when you said the archaic thing I learned some shit about Elvis same thing yeah exactly but it was cool it was okay I mean not not I ain't saying it's okay but nobody made no records about it after me doing more research it's a lot of more people even now it's like a lot of if the parents give you consent even if your child is underage for a lot of stuff if the parents give you consent even to marry somebody who's way older that's consent that is given that's between a parent and that person but that's what I'm saying you got these people that sit here and I ain't saying that in no cold way or not I don't know they ain't they mind right or whatever how Elvis can happen you feel I got a son right and I had a scare with my son right how old is he son he's nine and you already got a scare I got a scare you understand me he's too young for you to get a scare man that's what I thought you feel me but I mean without getting into too much detail right the girl was old you know so she got embarrassed because the mama tried to oh hell no she don't she dissing that she don't even do that man like the principal saw the video like well we can't tell she's not you feel me and they having all schools or when you that's good that they said that exactly that's the part because I told my son I said hey bro you nine is old stop man man stop I said let you know right now it's already good it's up it can go crazy stop but we tell our kids all the time and I know a lot of parents do this to all their kids don't do nothing that you don't want to come out on social media because number one you don't know who gonna record it you take pictures take videos you send it to this person thinking that oh they gonna keep it to themselves there's no such thing as they can keep it to themselves they could lose their phone somebody can hack their phone it can get out there so do not put anything on social media I'm so I'm so don't record nothing don't do anything that you don't want I'm telling my fiance that all the time like hey man why you what the hell you putting this camera out for you know what I mean chill man like we finna make all the fans yeah but it has good and bad the bad part is that right the good part cause one thing he has always told me even before we started any of this is the fact that record everything see that's what she been on for the main fact that God forbid you're gone they have those your kids you wish I guarantee you wish you had film footage of your grandparents I do your daddy mama whoever if you don't have that already no I don't I do a video that you could hear their voice I ain't got nothing because we had back in the day that's my favorite thing to tell people like yeah he always would say that I lost a lot of people you can't hear my mom you can't hear your voices anymore I could just hear their movement I let my daughter see who never got to see my daughter by my wife never got to meet my mom my son never got to meet my mom my older kids they can't remember she passed away with counselor when she was 46 and they was babies my son now that's 29 and my other daughter that's they were babies when she died so it's like if I had a video to show you see pictures but it's nothing like hearing hearing a voice seeing a motion a movement so your kids will get to see that just to know like this is what you come from this is why you have a goal on your motion you smile just like just like you move just like you can see that in a video just don't make an explicit and yeah let me tell y'all some shit she be doing some stuff wow you know me well I ain't gonna say you know me like you know me but I'm sexual me and my girl gonna do hell yeah that's what you're supposed to do right I come up I come up the camera like damn she wants to really get freaky with you I say it's always I know baby don't because you know what at the end of the day you can look at it like this hold on let me tell you I'm thinking you be like my daughter why is me sitting by your phone what she fuck up and posting she can lock it so she can I know you can not lock the camera she can lock certain footage that nobody can get to oh for real oh yeah well I need to get that you need to figure that pull it out yeah fat because what she's doing I am not talking for her but when you're not around she can still look at that and enjoy herself no that's fine yeah do that that's what she be trying to kick hold on baby you know this is when you go on yeah exactly you over there with your friend like look nah damn don't put me out there like that you never know nah you never know listen man no that's what it is so okay I'm going to ask since you brought that up here we go and I've never asked this question you started it what's y'all favorite position what the hell this ain't that what's your what the hell is the favorite she like missionary she like when I'm on top and closing in on Nick what the hell what the hell the kind of show is this you done started that's my one and only I don't want to know what the hell the region doing in there what nobody cares what's your favorite position nigga go to sleep nigga you got three kids get the hell outta here they are not oh they young how many kids you got you got three that I hit All right. Woo, that nigga, that working over there. Yeah, yeah. To a doctor in the free mind. Yeah, yeah, you did say that. Yeah, you got a family in there. I'm real on it. How many more? Until it stops. So she wants more and you want more? Oh, well, I do. But you know what I said? I don't know. I might have to call one of these daughters to give them a cup of that shit as well. So into the kids and the music again, man. Yeah. My son produced, like, he been making beats on the phone with her. My daughter, Claire, she want to do everything though. She want to sing, ballet. Is she good? Yeah. Like, I don't know who I need to talk to to get on Nickelodeon. What is it? What they got going on there? They got a lot of different stuff, man. Disney, I mean. Yeah, Disney, get on Disney YouTube. But let me tell you something. The way how anybody get this covered. Yeah, you can put it out there, but start doing some skits, start doing some singing, have her post, all of these, you know, her singing. We did. Guess what we got going on? We vlogging now. Right. Adventures with the linens. Yeah. Where can they find that? I ain't, I ain't, I just been recording. Yeah, I just been recording because. When you gonna put it out? I got a, I told you I don't edit it. Oh, so I'm trying to, I got to get my butt sucked doing the editing for, you know what I'm saying? Get your kids to learn how to do the editing so they can do it themselves. Yeah, my son edited it. Right. So it's something that he can learn and know how to do. Yeah, yeah. Just put it on them. They gotta get this done. Yeah, I'm with you. You can learn anything off of YouTube. My daughter asked to go to school. She in high school. She going for whatever this is right here. Software. Media. Oh, perfect. So she should do that then. Yeah, but she, the thing is she wanna do clothes. She wanna create clothes. She dress in the clad, cause that's what they gave her this semester. Pale. You got to pay for it. Nothing happens by accident. Here's the reason. You got to pay her to do it. Yeah, to do the things. Yeah. That's how he pays on a sale. Yeah. You got to pay these niggas, man. They should know about it. Don't you want to pay? If you edit this, we get back to you. No, no, no. They gonna be like, no, throw me some. Keep the money in the family. And watch what happens. You be like, damn, man. They came up with three of them programs right quick. That's the way it be, man. So, man, we love you, brother, man. I know y'all too forever. How can people get a hold of you? I always have to ask that, right? In the social media, we're not in it. Cause I forgot when I made TikTok, somebody took my name. I'm about to ask you how the TikTok going cause you were going in. Somebody took your name. Yeah, like somebody, you know how all my shit is deridition or somebody, you know, a fan, baby. Oh, took it before you actually got out there? Yeah, because I wasn't on TikTok. Like I didn't know nothing about it. How's it going? I don't know. I can't- You don't check it? How many times you post in a day? It's rare. Bro, you both post 10, 20 times a day. I'ma be so on the switch. Am I right? Okay, hold on. You post on Instagram, on Instagram, right? Why? Cause I'm kind of like- So anything you post on Instagram, just post it on TikTok. It's hard to do with that, man. Nah, I'ma tell you, it's the secret. I don't know, maybe I might be about to expose something about the social media. Okay, go ahead. But it used to be I could do the TikTok and click, add to Instagram and go straight up. Right. So I'm going on, I ain't fucking with each other or something. It don't work no more, like. Right. And then when I try to like download a video and post it, that shit don't work either. It's like it's a cold on this shit. Yeah, yeah. Like nah, we ain't going on over there. And I'm like, hey man. Trump ain't in the office no more. When we get done, I'll show you. Trump ain't in the office no more, thanks. I think he's after they kicked in the White House and stuff. What? That shit ain't to say no more, bro. Yeah, they ain't listening. The world, all right, all right. Let me say something. Let me give you false positive shit. Shout out to everybody who survived through, you know, this pandemic we been going through. Cause it was hard. It was real hard. I know it was hard for me. Yeah, what? No show? What? Man, it was hard, bro. It was tough. So I shout out to everybody who did whatever they had to do to get on, but the world has been a fucking movie ever since. No fault kicked in that White House. Hey, bro, you know how scared as a black man, I was to ever go to the White House. They went up there and acted just to go live. Shit, I don't know if I need to go to the White House. How'd they go though? No fault went in there like, hey, man, listen. I'm here. Fuck you. They went over there. Yeah. And I'm like, ooh. I never get to go. Trump walked out there with the Bible and held it up and walked back in and like, what? I thought it was a different world. But it was, it was so crazy. I thought the show that somebody was on. Then Kanye was up there, Kanye was up there. Like, it's people going. But it's not even that, but it's a lot of people even like Trump supporters, people was going around Trump supporters everywhere and was seeming like they would get violent. And they call that a, if we walk around three deep and we having to slag somebody, we a game. Yeah, yeah. No, it's, it's a difference, man. You know, it's very much different when you walk around there and get up by that White House and you think, you know, when we went, you know, you can't even get up close enough to even, you can look over the gate. Look over the gate. Man, listen, no folks in there standing on shit. You can love the shit. I said it'd be with this, holding the drawings up, looking at them. They still invest against that. Because I think people still getting arrested from, from that. At the same time, PPP loans was coming out, everything was popping around the world. The world, I don't see it. That's why I said, I survived cause nigga features. Oh, y'all nigga right here getting money. Oh yeah. It was some niggas. Did you remember that PPP loan? It was like niggas got a million dollars. Some niggas just got a mil ticket. Yo, I seen niggas got like hundreds of niggas on this shit. My partner told me like nigga, I just got 90,000 niggas. I said, really? Like, I don't even got a job. I salute everybody again. For surviving, but your ass better than your own shit, though. People gonna got there when they call you. They think that, oh, I got away with it because it's been a year or two. Man, please, brr, I ain't got no, this is all. What it said? Yeah. What it said? That's how it's shaped down. Oh, the dairy done spend that off. It don't matter. They're gonna have to stand. Oh, they got a place for it. Oh, they showed before, dude. Say, man, how is, well, you were shouting, PJF shout, we gonna, we gonna ever get, we gonna get some music again, like just something else. Yeah, man, I'm gonna tell you the truth. I had an album, I mean, I had a song for this album specifically for him. And then I don't know, we just didn't do it. Too busy. Busy, that boy I worked. So I know. He always. He ever, he all loaded. He just dropped some stuff. The last time I was over there, that nigga rap, man, he just in the kitchen with it. I loved it. I was like, this nigga, he playing with me, man. I'm talking about he ain't playing, he doing the video. He's starting to bend it like, bro, go on hard. He work. He's somebody that I can respect business wise, like from just waking up one day to saying, I want to do this and doing all that shit, managing himself, setting up his own shows, doing his own marketing shit, rapping, because it take a lot to rap. Man, what? To make a song that you want to let people hear, it takes a lot. When he came on the show the first time, when he was talking about you, he was talking about, he said, man, you got, what do you say? He say, you had gotten shot and he didn't even know it. I'm like, what kind of nigga, this nigga done got shot and he didn't know it for months. No, no, my shit. It wasn't something like that. He was talking about, he was talking about how did he get shot? My shit getting shot up. Oh, okay. So you didn't get shot? No, hell no. I'm like, the nigga got shot and he didn't know it. The nigga got shot. No, hell no. Nice. So something happened, but it was something happened and you didn't know that he didn't know about it. Yeah, he was a season wise and my shit had got shot up. More than once. And the first time he was standing right there with me. Okay. But he was like, yeah, that's for somebody else, man. That shit ain't for us. I'm like, nigga, my time gone flat, nigga. You a bitch, you're a bitch, you're a bitch, you're a bitch. Jails? Like, and honestly, I thought, yeah, you right. Cause I don't bother nobody. Like, I'm a good, like, and when I say good nigga, I don't mean bitch. Like, I'm a good nigga, I'm a loyal nigga, I'm a respectful nigga, I'm a man. I respect everybody, they sets, they size, how they living, like I respect it. So I'm like, yeah, that shit ain't for me. You right. We go to the next club. I'm telling, this shit happened in one night. Oh, I didn't know that. This shit happened in one night. So it's probably the same people. I know, yeah. But what I'm saying is, that's all he can say, like from that, he was like, yeah, damn, I ain't know. But he didn't know my shit got, when we left that second club, my shit got shot up, shot up, shot up. Yeah, he didn't know that, you know what I'm saying? And I, and ultimately I stopped fucking with niggas. Like, I don't like, damn. You didn't know what we're going to do. Yeah, I got a hundred niggas around me and don't nobody know what happened. Nobody. Yeah. And as I'm leaving, I see, I see all y'all niggas still chilling, which I don't blame nobody. I'm not mad at nobody for it. Yeah. I just knew that night. No. I always feel like you can't have too many people around you because you can't keep your eye on so many people to really know what their motives are. Right. That shit was crazy. Like a niggas, I thought Ross was in, like, you know how you, I'm in a track hop, so when I, I hit it, I'm thinking, Ross kicking up here in the car. That's what it's like. That's what it's like. So you didn't, you didn't like duck down? No. I'm just, he's rocking it. Yeah. And then I'm like. And now one hit you. Not hell, man. God. Close, bruh, close so many times. Like, all like. Did you thank God? Did I? Yeah. Thanking God every day, still to this day. Still to this day. Like, I would never forget what it was like for me to go home. And look at that car like that. And have to tell my daughter, like, bruh, Dad almost didn't come home tonight and I won't try to know something. Dad is gonna come home every night. Every night. Like, I ain't. Yeah, I'm not with her. I would have been scared to tell my kids because for the main fact that every time when I leave, they're gonna be so worried. The only reason I did, because my daughter's just like really, like I'm, I taught them. Tell them what's going on. Yeah, and I want them to know. Don't think this shit cool. You hanging around these little niggas and these boys and shit and they thinking everything is funny. You can't shout it, it ain't funny. You all gonna die and it ain't funny, my niggas. So I talked to my kids like, hey, Dad almost ain't come home now. How did, man. How did they handle that though? Well, what? When you told them that. They just listen. Yeah, they just listen. No lie, they just listen. They like, all right, Dad. How did you and Shaw patch it back up? How did y'all get past that? Cause I think he told us. No, I wasn't ever mad at Shaw though. No, I'm saying, but in his heart, he felt like he let you down. Because you didn't. That's what it was. Yeah, I never knew that. No, he told us, didn't he? He told us something. I ain't know, I ain't know. He told us that. Yeah, I ain't know. Cause he said he didn't talk to him, he tried to call or something like that. But I ain't talking to nobody. But he didn't know that, but imagine that person is called who's supposed to be a friend. He felt like he let you down. I'm telling you. That's my brother though, so I did what he's saying. But it was everybody. Cause he wouldn't know that. Nobody. But he wouldn't know that. But that's the thing, like, it was like this, right? He didn't go to the hood and it's like, hey, y'all talk to Dredd and they say, yep, like I ain't talking to nobody. So if he feel like that, everybody feel like that. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. So when I did feel like talking again, I picked up the phone for who I fuck with. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Changed my name and everything. Like, oh cool, I don't even want to. Like it put me in a mental state like, I just don't even want to be around nobody. Like, just because. Just because, bro, like, you don't know who did it. Nobody said nothing. Everybody making up different, I heard a million different stories, right? Who done it? Who done it, why? Oh, it's one for you. Oh, it ain't that. It ain't this. You know what? It don't even matter. Yeah. It don't even matter. It happened. Y'all don't know what happened exactly. Or at least y'all want to say this happened. But now me, me, having my other little shit going on, I find out exactly what happened, right? Mm-hmm. Now I'm just like, yeah, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. Like I been. I don't care who don't like it. I don't care who don't want to. You know what I mean? I'm good. God has a purpose to you. Yeah, I ain't mad. I ain't hating. I ain't hunting. I ain't looking. I don't care for you. You don't exist to me. Exactly. You know what I mean? I've been there. Like, yeah. Yeah, once your mind go there, I shut you down. It's over. I'm talking about, man. Nigga, you obviously the movie when the nigga walking and stuff blowing up behind him. Yeah. That's how you feel when you stand up in life. Yeah. Yeah, I feel it. That's what nigga just going on. Yeah, a fact. Nigga ain't got time for that, man. Yeah, I ain't got time. I did what I had to do with that. I'm done with it. Yeah, I'm gone. I know how that, I know he loved me. That's it. You know what I'm saying? That's it, man. And we love you, bro. Yeah, for sure. We appreciate you, man. Thank you. I can't stress it enough. I'm getting you the Dallas nigga. I try to see. What did I tell you? I said I'm going to fly this nigga to Dallas and fly him back in one day. Yeah. You know what I tell you? Yeah, one of my men was a rock and toe man. He was like, yeah, they were trying to take you to Dallas. Man, I wanted you to be in Dallas, man. When was the time you been to Dallas? Man, I ain't been to Dallas, man. I really didn't want you to come for my show. I don't give a damn about none of that stuff. I was cute as well as the last time. I ain't been there in a minute. I ain't really, like, working on an album. I'm going to be in a hundred. I've only been taking shows if I kind of need it. Like to balance out some other shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? So I've just been living off what I already did. I know what I'm going to do. So I've just been like, yeah, let me focus on the album. Let me finish the album. Once I finish, we can start back taking dates. So for example, I got a show on Arkansas Saturday. I'm only doing that to balance out other shit because I'm the label. It's me and my team. Yeah, I know what it is. You know what I mean? So when them videos come through, them bitches 10,000, I don't care. You got to drop that. That's right. You hear me? When we need goddamn ads and apps and shit and all that, I'm paying for that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I was saying earlier, just to touch that. But if you become independent, you better have your shit together. I thought about what you were saying because I was like, man, you know what, man? You would have to have, like, you got some solid managers and some people who really understand the dynamics of how to move in an independent situation. You can be powerful as hell. You can. But you got to have the right people on your team. That's all it is. Right people. If you got... Side of the Venice too. That's my own distribution. They doing that shit. Don't, don't. And you got to have somebody to understand what is the Venice. Yeah, Venice. You got to have somebody to understand Venice on your team. Like dealing with that, you know? Cause you can't be everybody and everything to everybody when you're trying to deal with artistry. It's just so many different moving parts to what you're trying to accomplish, right? Yeah. So, man, that's the good guy. And you can't do that shit, bro. Like I said, rapping alone is hard as hell, bro. Well, just remember, don't sign up contracts with no managers. Just run around this whole renegade. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, nah. I was in the fucked up contract before. I know. What fucked me up the most is when they say some shit like, if you don't sign it, if you don't send in the... What is it? The, the, the, the, I guess, request to not be in the agreement anymore. Within six to days, it recycles cold. Yeah, it recycles two plus years, but time's three, I'm like, what the hell, y'all? I'm sitting now, I'm out, damn it. Man. Man, so, yeah, I done thought about I'm gonna get him to Dallas, man. But I gotta bring his fiancee, too. Yeah, for sure, man. I'm gonna bring both of them, and then we'll rock out with him. Yeah, man, I'm trying to, I'm trying to blow her shit up, too. I got something for you to work on. What is she doing? She do hell, man, and she's amazing. Like her page is Glitterhouse Boutique. Don't... Well, her shit called Glitterhouse Boutique, her page is Glitterhouse with the two edges. So it's like, yeah. So she doing hell with coloring, natural, she like master natural, like, you know what I'm saying? But she doing it every time, man, going crazy. That's a blessing, man. And basically, you know, how long she been at it? Man, she did some shit, and I'm gonna tell you why I feel good with her doing it. Did some shit, she probably drained by that as a little girl, and it took a real nigga to come her life and tell her, let's get it. Let's get it. Do it. Let's do it. I ain't gonna stop. Let's go. That's real. No, and you back and then she back and you... Backing it up. It's going down once again. That's a fact. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. We're gonna end this thing like this, man. You got anything else for the real, the show? No, did we miss anything? Anything. No, cause we let him talk. Oh, yeah. I cut his ass off. I cut his ass off. One thing. I cut his ass off. All right, so the new monster. The new monster, what's different with me? Yeah. It's just me. I ain't got a hundred niggas running around me with fucked up ass energies and bars and altitudes. I don't have to watch over my shoulders every fucking day. You know what I'm saying? I'm happy. I'm the most happy as I've ever been in my entire life. That's good. You feel me? Most peaceful I've ever been in my entire life. Most mentally stable I've ever been in my entire life. I have some slips, but rarely. Yeah, man. They been breaking... I'm so happy. I got the family. I know what it is. Every time we talk. Exactly. Bruh, I go to video shoots. I get out of the sprinter. It's me, my kids. See? That's it. You feel me? That's beautiful. I ain't... When did it click? When did it click? Man. See, that's what you needed. Because the last time when we did an interview, I'm telling you, you were in my prayers because when you started talking about your mental state and the days that you have and all of that, I was worried about you. Thank you. They helped, too. Thank you. I wasn't worried about it because... When did it click? I don't know, man. Like I say, I've been praying just for peace. The reason I wasn't worried about it is because we talked about his kids last time when he said that tear dropped. And when you think about going to the school and when he's trying to... He's telling you that he's fighting through at that point for me. I already know that... Yeah, he was fighting it, but... I know God ain't gonna let him through yet. Yeah, I ain't going through yet. Yeah, I'm through, like I'm good. Even with my kids, like... I wish all of them would stay with me, but my other daughter back, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't trippin', she talk more, we talk more. Yeah, that's good. You know what I'm saying? That's it. And it's fun, like it's really a good feeling, like fun, like to be able to watch my beautiful children grow up. Happy man. Peep day characters, wristics, and the things they like to do, they become little people, like, you know what I'm saying? And it's like I'm peeping them. One's a dancer, electrifying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then my other daughter cool laid back. Let me, you know, I wanna do clothes. I keep the house clean. I'm gonna be on my thing. I'm gonna move this around. My baby, my baby baby one, she growin' up, energetic, funny, got a fuckin' whole different vibe, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, she walkin' through the door. This the best feeling no matter what I go through. I can be mad. Every day I'm there, I walk in the house. She see me. Hey daddy, hey daddy. She ain't trippin' on that. She ain't trippin' on that. And I just be like, oh, baby. Ain't trippin' on none of you. Nothin' you been through today. Nothin'. That's real. She believes everything up all of me. Beautiful girl. How you gonna feel when your oldest one graduate and leave not the house? She ain't gotta leave. My kids ain't gotta leave me. I ain't gonna lie. I'm talkin' to college to be leaving. Oh yeah, they can do that. I ain't gonna lie. Because you know how you look at them even like, you remember, to any parent, you look at your children and they're always kids to you. No matter how old they get, they're still your little babies. And you turn around and you're like, they grown. Yeah. Or the one that at home, she drivin' and every day, you know, you're worried when they get up and drive. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see one, anything wrong, I'm out there. You know what I mean? I'm stressin' you. I know that part. Yeah, but far as I'm goin' to college or whatever, I'ma say this, but it's not for y'all, right? This is me, my life, my thoughts, my kids. I ain't pushin' that college shit on them. If that's what they wanna do though, do that. I'm more into teaching you how to... Survive. No, be a boss. You know what I mean? School to open the damn business. That's real. You feel me? I mean now, if you wanna, you know, become a doctor or a lawyer or somethin' like that, then how do you build them? But I'm pushin' my kids on what they wanna do because they got somebody I never had, which is me. That's real. I'ma open it up for you. What you wanna do, you wanna be a rapper? I bet, ay, ay, Broadway. You ain't doin' somethin' with me, but you better do somethin' with my daughter. She bein' me for real, huh? Hey man, my daughter got damn, look here, ABC News. My daughter, you need to put her shit up on, you know what I mean? Yeah. I ain't had it, I ain't had nobody to open up. I ain't pushin' that college, you know what I mean? No, I don't blame you. I do what you want. I don't give a fuck what it is. I don't blame you. And now I'm learnin' that news gettin' paid, me and her daughter's playin' video games. What? Yeah. Come on DJ, I am not gonna interrupt you. Do yo' things, son? You feel me, like, yeah, but that's that different monster, I'm happy. That's good. Yeah. I had another question, but I forgot it and it came out in my head. That's how I love, man. Like I said, this is family now. I just told you comin' to Dallas, you think I'm playin' no cap. No kids in here. Get this nigga all the way to Dallas, him and his wife, to a big thing around this camp. When's the date anyway? Oh, hell. She keep talkin' about summertime. Like, I don't know, I don't know, like... You nervous or you... You talkin' to some big, small? I don't, I think that the wedding is supposed to be however the wife wants. That's right, that's right. That's exactly the right question. All right, so I don't know whatever she's doin'. Whatever you doin', let's go. Yeah, whatever she wants. I'm on go mode, I told you we could do it. Yeah, let's do it. I'm done with it. Yeah, I'm done with it. Yeah. Yeah, you happy? I hope these birthdays and shit get a little smaller now. That's it. Wedding shittin' up here. I gotta ask you before you get on. What is, first of all, is it anybody around here that you've heard doin' the music? I think I've seen, what is it, Moo? Who's this guy you did a song with? Money Moo. Money Moo. I mean, like who, and I just mentioned him because I knew y'all did a song together, but who down here did you hear in the sound from that you like that, that's a nice sound that you hadn't heard? Huncho. Huncho. Yeah. Huncho, I'ma lick him up. Yeah, Huncho. I'm livin' how he's soundin' right now. He definitely got, like, I'm noticing, like I'm seein' all the street nigga kids, college nigga, I mean, they fuckin' with it cause he doin' the sound, he rappin' that pain but puttin' that sauce on him. Where is he from? Where part of town? I think he's from the east side. East side, goin' in. goin' crazy. Crazy. I'm fuckin' with it, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I ain't even cabin' like, he goin' crazy, like. Yeah, everybody in the streets feelin' it. Huncho. Yeah, I'm just speakin' off from, I don't. You feelin'? Yeah, me. Yeah, listen to the music. You know music, and you really do this. Yeah, if I, if I, when I put my hand in bein' the CEO, you'll see what I know. When is that gon' happen? See, it's gon' happen. You didn't drop that out to like that. You can't drop that out to like that. I be havin' to put in the work to build it up. You know what I'm sayin'? I gotta build it up front of the ground so it ain't like I'm goin' in bed and it's with a company that's gon' let me be as equal as them so I have to build my shit up and become the company and then I'ma do that. Would you sign a guy like, you sign Huncho. Yes. In a heartbeat. You know he the one. I know it is. I believe. What's his name? Look at y'all. Ain't you in? I spelled it wrong, H-U-N, I put H-O-N. Yeah. H-U-N-C-H-O? Gonna look him up. Huncho. Shout out to Huncho, man. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to everybody though, Atlanta got a lot of, it's a lot of news comin' out right now. It's a lot of them comin' right now. Fat, but I'm just sayin', you know. He the one that you been, seein' that you been hearin' that sound, that pain sound from. Yes. Already. I'm tryin' to get in there with him. Well, I'ma tell you right now, you get Huncho, okay? And I'ma say, I got a nigga name. Okay. What's his name? You talkin', Bump. Bump it, John. Oh yeah, just put it together. Yeah, I bring Huncho. I mean, you bring Huncho, I bring Bump it, John, so nigga. Okay. You want to come up? Let's give it to him. And that pain, we gon' see. Yeah. We gon' see. Oh yeah, let me hear it, let me hear it. Next time, yeah, I want that nigga to, I wish I could get that nigga in here. I need to get somethin' for that nigga. I need to find Link with that dude, man. Oh yeah, man, for sure. Yeah, for sure. The reason being because I got him up and comin' in a couple of weeks back on the show. Nigga, hey, nigga. You say he from Dallas, right? Same, nigga, I'ma look him up. His base page, Blamp & Johnson. Here you remember? Yeah, nigga, I'ma look him up. Nigga, I'ma look him up. Same, same. What? And he rubs him? What? Okay, yeah. And you nigga, shitin' on me nigga. You done it, nigga, what are you talkin' about? Nigga, you done it, you done it, you wore it, nigga. I did it, but nah, I'ma go in there and get it together, like. Huh? Hey, man, let me, I don't know why this is just kind of in my mind, all right? I do not know why. What's that? Maybe because we talkin' about Dallas or somethin' shit, but DL and Sanders, man. What about it? You see how I close prime? Like, I'm close prime, yeah, I'm me, I'm me. You liked it, nigga. You know what I'm sayin'? Let me get, let me see. He been like that. You know what I'm sayin'? Yeah, he been like that. That nigga been like that, bruh. For real. From Atlanta to Dallas, man. And nigga been like this on his whole life, bruh. You know what I'm sayin'? You know, yeah, he, yeah, that's what I'm finna have, I'ma have to pull the coast prime. Bruh, I wanna see, you know what your next level is to be that CEO that more than builds the way to bring that wave to where you can help people to come through and not get treated the way you felt like you got treated in some of those situations. That's your job. I feel like that is my purpose. Like that's what I put here for, I swear, cause I do that even without music in my life in general, but on my everyday speaking with people, speaking with strangers. That's it, right there. That's it, that's your next level because that's the way you help to usher these new guys in and they get to get sheltered a little bit, but they still gonna go through their trials. Yeah, you still gonna have your personal shit. But at least you know how you don't do that, we can't do that, cause I stay with this not to happen that way. Exactly. But now you gon' bump over here, but you gon' bump like this. You ain't gon' bump in this line. I ain't got y'all shooin' up out there, mother. I know what you do. Man, you, thank you so much, man. God bless you, man, peace and love. We love you, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. What a boss's talk. Yeah.