 Okay. Hello, everyone. Hello. I wrote Okie dokie to someone just moments ago and then thought that's so folksy. Okie dokie. Okie dokie. What are you trying to make? Oh, no, Tom was trying to do a Minnesota accent. He was doing something. No, I was trying. I wasn't. What I was doing was saying something the way Bob Mould would say it, except what I wasn't trying to do was any appreciable impression of Bob Mould. Because I remarked, we were talking about Prince as he's symbolic of the Minneapolis or Minnesota music scene with except maybe Bob Mould from like and then I said something as if, you know, hi, I'm Bob Mould, except I said it in a funny voice and then I really immediately realized nothing. He doesn't sound anything like what I'm sorry, Bob Mould. If you see a little light, I know you will. It's not like who's going to do about it. Yeah, I remember if I can't change your mind, then no one will. So many songs. We lost Veronica. She's checking her email now. No, I'm looking at Instagram. Instagram. Things on Instagram. Things on Instagram. Livestream of someone favoriting things on Instagram. Hot new hit on Twitch. As soon as you're done, let me know. Oh, I'm done. I can be done whenever. All right, Roger, you good? I will need. Oh, that's right. I need to have control. I have control. I gave you control. You should have it. All right. Oh, wait, so no Molly at the top just during the. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm going to disappear. Here we go. Quality content thrives for the support of those who benefit from its creation. If you gain value from the Daily Tech News show, consider joining others like me who provide support. Learn how to help at DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, January 9th, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt joining me Veronica Belmont as it is a Monday. I've been to CES and back Veronica. I couldn't believe how fast you got back. I mean, we did sort and laser on what was it? Tuesday night and you were like, oh, yeah, I'm back from CES Thursday. Yeah, it was Thursday night, right? Because I was there on Tuesday. That's why it was Thursday. Yeah. Turns out when you book here on schedule, you only have to stay as long as you want to. What did you have a good time? Yeah, actually, I did. It was good to see folks. Saw a ton of people that it was hadn't seen in a while. Got to, you know, talk to some some vendors and see products in action, but didn't walk so much that my feet hurt, which is there. And you didn't get you didn't get the death flu this year. I so far knock on this desk or whatever it's made out of. I have not received the the concrete. So fingers crossed. We're going to talk about how today is the 10 year anniversary of Steve Jobs announcing the iPhone at Macworld during CES. Oh, goodness. Yeah. Memories. We were we were there. And when I say there, I mean, it's CES, not a Macworld. That was back in the good old days where they would have they would have Macworlds at the same time as CES. And Apple continued that tradition for a long time. It was very annoying. Yeah. But not anymore. In fact, some people are even writing columns about how Apple usually has more of a presence at CES through its accessories and people talking about it than it did this year. So there's a lot of 10 year anniversary summing up. We're just going to look back and I've got some clips from us talking about it 10 years ago and Buzz out loud at CNET. And we're going to look at it from the perspective of, you know, what what has changed and what hasn't in the way we think about the iPhone. But first, we got some top stories. Software company Atlassian announced Monday it is acquiring Task Management Act maker Trello for four hundred twenty five million dollars. Yeah, if you use either one of those, that's a little bit of consolidation. Some people are like, I like both those companies. Other people saying, I don't want fewer competitors. But Trello is going to continue to be made and operated and all that. Razor CEO, Min Lang Tan wrote on Facebook that two prototypes were stolen from the company's CES booth. Oh, goodness. Yeah. So that's it's not they had some laptops stolen not from CES, but from an office one time. People are always trying to see what's going on and and and and trying to get in there and find out trade secrets from Razor. Let's move on to the top stories. Alphabet Waymo announced its autonomous Chrysler Pacifica minivans will hit the road in Mountain View, California and Phoenix, Arizona by the end of the month. Waymo showed the cars at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. Waymo announced it is building all the technology in house, meaning they made a big deal about how sensors cost a lot in 2009. And now they don't cost as much. But essentially a sensor, they say cost them seventy five hundred dollars to make now would cost them eight thousand dollars off the shelf. So they're saving some money. Waymo insists it does not want to become a parts manufacturer, but it wants to strike partnerships with automakers. Waymo CEO, John Kraft, said the company is looking into ride hailing, logistics, personal transportation, last mile solutions, etc. That is certainly a minivan. You're not you're not excited about the the Waymo's hitting the hit in the ground. No, I am excited about that. I think any any movement towards that that future world where people aren't driving cars anymore is OK in my book. Yeah, it's you know, and we just had a week full of autonomous car news because everybody was at CES announcing autonomous cars. And of course, the Detroit Auto Show happening means we're going to continue to get these sorts of things. I don't know that there's much of significance here, except for the fact that Waymo is saying, hey, we can build this thing in house and save some money. Uber, speaking of which, has launched a website at movement.uber.com with data about traffic flow meant for use by urban planners. Anonymized data will be shared with organizations who apply and eventually available publicly. Data is organized around traffic analysis zones within cities, which are agreed upon geographic demarcations that help with existing urban planning and traffic management. Uber is considering creating an API and promises not to release data when the number of riders is too low to protect anonymity. So yeah, this is really interesting on a lot of levels. It's it's Uber sharing data kind of unusual interests, right? Like this somebody could use this to possibly, you know, research their own ride sharing service. That's true. But I think it is. It feels like a an interesting move for for Uber in particular, like sharing data does not seem to be something that Uber has done a lot of very, very freely or frequently. But I'm kind of excited by this because I think, you know, for especially for self driving cars, like that data needs to be accessible. And I think it's in everyone's best interest for these future technologies to have access to this information. Yeah, it's it's it's an altruistic thing, especially as they're targeting it towards urban planners and things like that. I see that Molly Wood from Marketplace has showed up. I'm curious if you've been looking at this move by Uber. You're like, I see Molly Wood making faces all of a sudden on her hangout now that she has bothered to show up super late. I am a skier. I don't think it's altruistic at all. I think this is Uber trying to make friends with cities that don't want them there. And data is like the most valuable thing they have to offer. And they're saying, well, how about if we will give you some of this data and then we can be friends and then you'll you'll totally want us there because it's so useful. I'm not saying it's not useful. I'm just saying I think their motives are a little more transparent. It's interesting. You're absolutely right. It certainly is going to get them that benefit. And yet that's not usually Uber's mode of operations. They usually just kind of fly the face of a city and, you know, metaphorically hold up both middle fingers at them. So this is a much more soft power approach. If you look at that, maybe they've gone as far as they can with the club. Well, think about it this way, if they can get cities to actually plan around traffic plans, you know, build around this traffic data and at the end of the line, that's going to affect their bottom line because they're going to be more efficient and be able to do their jobs better as well. Oh, absolutely. Especially if they can use it down the road to say, hey, it turns out that if you have more Uber's on the road, you have less traffic. Don't you want that? I mean, it could work, you know, ideally it will work to everyone's benefit. Yeah, it could be a win for everybody. Jack Ma of Alibaba announced he had met with President Elect Trump to discuss a plan to create one million US jobs by allowing small and medium sized businesses to sell things like garments, wine and fruit. Those were the examples given to China through Alibaba's platforms. Alibaba has expanded its New York City headquarters. It's trying to get more international participation in the singles day sale. It's the biggest shopping day in the world, but it really just happens inside China on November 11th. It's an interesting move to see Alibaba really making an aggressive effort to internationalize its e-commerce. Yeah, it's smart. I mean, Alibaba's is a major promise, though. Yeah, I don't know that that number seems more like a headline grabber. I think the significance here is in Alibaba saying we really want to enable businesses to sell into China. We want to make that easier because everyone perceives Alibaba as a place where you can get Chinese manufacturers to make things cheap for you. You have to sell that fruit. Garments and fruit and wine made of fruit. How can I like sell wine to China? But I can't get wine delivered from Canada. Anyway, right? I don't think China actually has a very growing wine manufacturing system in place. Like they're really into wine. They're importing all sorts of wine from all over the world. They're obsessed with wine right now. Yeah, it's a big deal. Very cool. San Diego TV news anchor Jim Patton, Patton, rather, accidentally activated viewers Amazon Echoes during a broadcast, causing many of them to order dollhouses reacting to a segment. Patton said, I love the little girl saying X ordered me a dollhouse where X was the name of the Amazon voice services assistant. Amazon Echo users can change the setting to prevent automatic ordering and can cancel accidental orders at no charge. Amazing. But still good save with the X. Yes, thank you. I have been accused of many times of activating the Amazon voice services assistant. It's a little more of a mouthful to than actually saying her name or their name. But so I understand. I understand his feelings, probably. I've done it. I thought that I thought that you couldn't do automatic ordering by default. I thought there was always a confirmation. But there have been a couple of stories like this, like somebody ordered a car. Like, oh, do you have the do you have the McLaren doodly blob and yellow and Amazon, you know, she was like, yeah. He goes, I don't know. I'm skeptical. I think there's I need to do more testing, but I'm certainly accidentally put things in my cart before. But yeah, my my Amazon Echo does not order things automatically for me. You can set it up to do that, though. Can you say put it in my cart? Yeah, like there are difference between. I've never tried actually ordering using the Echo. So I never use it for anything real. But we just Eli and I just put funny things in the cart all the time. So like, if I were to ask her what's in the shopping cart right now, we could do a fun demo and she would say like rubies, a billion dollars. Fear like we just think it's hilarious to put weird stuff in the shopping cart. Every time I go to a ruby, though, and it's going to be bad news. Every time I go to the grocery store, we're using Google Home actually for for shopping right now. And there's always your mom is on my shopping. So that's been a trend. They ever have it? They never do. They never do. No, the moms in Connecticut have to order that long distance. Oh, that would be super sweet, though. If you did, like it could be a whole present to be like, order your mom and then you bought a ticket. Oh, Ryan, get on that. She flew out. He's so cute. That would be pretty cute. China's top messaging app WeChat has rolled out something they call mini programs Monday. The apps are embedded in WeChat and require no separate download or install to use. There is no store for them. You discover them either by having friends send you a link or scanning QR codes in real life. In Android, WeChat mini programs can be pinned to the home screen. They center around tasks. For example, if you're a food delivery startup, you might have one mini program for ordering lunch, another one for coffee, another one for pizza. WeChat claims around half of its users spend 90 minutes a day within the app. So lots of interesting things going on here where WeChat wants to keep people in the app, but doesn't want to really create a whole separate app store. I feel like this either is just going to fall flat or it could become an entirely new milieu for us to be able to, you know, and basically whenever WeChat does something and it works, every other messaging app imitates it. Are these just bots? Are these just bots? Like, what is the difference here? They're embedded apps. So you have to give them to WeChat and then WeChat, I assume, just makes them part of the WeChat app update so that when you discover them as a user, they're just already there. You don't have to spend any time downloading. You know what it sounds an awful lot like to me? An operating system. It is kind of a mini operating system. It's like a mini OS, like you would just live in WeChat. I mean, that's really the goal, I think of the, you know, certainly the China based and Asia based messaging systems are do it all. And they've got this idea that you'll be able to get an order a car and get your pizza and do your payments and everything within them. But if it works this way and all these programs are essentially, you know, built in, it's like, I don't know, it's like Windows. I'm super curious about how this is actually working, though, because if it was like an operating system, they'd be kind of like the pre-installed apps, like the apps that kind of roll out when you install Windows for the first time. But these seem to be like kind of rolling out over time. But once it's installed, it's available for everyone. Yeah, very different. The rollout part is weird. I'm very curious on the back end how this works, because having every company that wants to have a mini program have its code in every version of WeChat seems bulky. But if you're doing a lot of cloud services, like there's the Android Now apps where you don't have to download or install the app, you just run it in the cloud. It could be running that way. Yeah, like essentially web apps, but using WeChat as the cloud platform. And then I think the goal is, yeah, I mean the operating system to me sounds like the mechanics are obviously going to be different in mobile and cloud-based apps, but the ultimate goal seems to be never leave WeChat. Here's a bunch of pre-installed or installable stuff that will make it more useful. The next attempt to do that. It's like every transaction that you make is via WeChat. Generally when folks have tried to take over an operating system that way, it hasn't worked. We'll see. We'll see. Sources tell Ricoh that Facebook will start testing mid-roll ads that would let publishers insert ads after people have watched for at least 20 seconds in videos longer than 90 seconds. Facebook would sell the ads and give 55% of sales to publishers, the same rev share that YouTube offers. Facebook forbids pre-roll ads. Hmm, I'm torn on that one. I like forbidding, man, I mean, because the mid-roll ads in YouTube videos are so, they're so clunky. I don't know, I only ever see them. I only ever see them when Eli is watching some 25-minute Vine compilation or whatever, but it's disruptive. Mainly because they're not, there's no commercial break in YouTube videos. It's just stop. I never watch YouTube videos unless they're like music videos. And it's really awkward. Like it just stops. Yeah, my son only consumes media on YouTube now, which is not always appropriate. I'm just owning that as a parent right now. But it will just sort of, like Wednesdays with Liza, it'll be like blah, blah, blah, blah, and she almost finishes a word and then an ad starts, a mid-roll ad, and then it comes back, but it's really clunky, really clunky. Yeah, and I think it's interesting that, I don't think a lot of people realize that Facebook is giving the same rev share that YouTube does, because there's all of this complaining about YouTube not sharing enough revenue, but if Facebook gets to scale the way they want to, they're going to have the same complaints as well, because when you're on someone else's platform, it turns out they make a lot of money off of you. They make all the rules. Yeah. If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes, subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines.com. Now, the big reason we asked Bollywood to join us today is because 10 years ago today, Steve Jobs announced an iPod, an internet device, and a phone. And it was all- Can I hit Tom? All one device, Veronica. Tom, can I do something real fast? Yeah, sure. All right, ready? It's Monday, January 9th, 2017. I'm Veronica Belmont. I'm Tom Barrett. And I'm Bollywood. Welcome to Puzz Out Loud, seeing its podcast of indeterminate length. We have to get the date right and everything. Yes. Crashing it. In fact, 10 years ago today- Oh, the dog is coming out for those of us watching the video. The dog's like, what did you do? Why are you so excited? I wasn't alive then. 10 years ago today, we were doing that show, Buzz Out Loud, on the CES stage in Las Vegas after having kept tabs on the Macworld announcement where Steve Jobs introduced the iPhone. And I've got some clips. Let's play the first clip of us announcing that the iPhone has been announced. We were not disappointed. Man, there was a lot of stuff out today. And what we expected, right? Except for the name of the Apple phone. We knew it was going to be a phone, but they called it the iPhone anyway. That was probably one of the more shocking things. When I saw that it was actually the Apple iPhone, I said, wow, they're going to have to have some chats with Cisco about that one. Yeah, and they did. And they did, or did not? Or like, that just like went nowhere. It just drizzled. No, Cisco did have the name iPhone. And a while later, it turned out, yeah, that they had settled, but Cisco wasn't giving up on it. They were, they needed a little bit of money out of Apple for it, I guess. They sued them almost immediately, like the same month for trade market infringement. Yeah. And then of course, we got the actual, we got into the actual. Oh, now there's more? Oh yeah, there's lots more. We got into the actual specs. It was the widescreen iPod. It was the Apple iPhone, and it was an internet connected tablet device. It just all happened to be the same gadget. All in one, yep. Everybody was right. Three in one device. Three in one device. That was the big deal. Three in one device. Also, I love that even back then, the keynote started with pretty much what we expected, or the, you know, our coverage stream, pretty much what we expected. Yeah, we saw the coming. Except for the, you know, phone. All the rumors, all the leaks were right. Yeah, all the rumors were right. At one point, and I don't have a clip of this, we start talking about all those problems with the MacBooks that everyone had been talking about. So yeah, there's a lot of stuff in here that's still very true to life. Oh my God, keep it going, keep it going. Yeah, a lot of people don't remember that the iPhone was not the only announcement there. We knew they were gonna talk about the ITV, so it's now called the Apple TV. You bought one already? Yeah. You bought one already. Wow. They don't ship until February. Yeah, they don't ship until February. And the phone is worse. The phone doesn't even come out until June. So the phone is worse. Is that the original? The phone is worse. I have, I have still in my possession, that Apple TV that I ordered from the CES stage. Oh my God, it's the size of a Mac mini, or bigger. It is. It's bigger than a Mac mini, actually. Wow. Yeah, lots of ports, too. Wow. Oh my God. It could do anything. Except Dave Stumer. I was very excited about that. Yeah, Tom is like, I love it. And to be honest, you know, certainly the iPhone was the bigger deal, but I think people forget that Apple was that early to this set-top box thing that's now all Android TVs and Roku's and Apple TVs. It's been around just as long as the iPhone. And they still haven't made a deal with broadcasters. Nope. I mean, it shows you, right? How tough that nut is to crack. Still, no OTT service. There were some other things we were discussing in our coverage of that, including this. I'm really excited that you can run widgets on it. Yeah. That's a really neat aspect. On the phone. So you can have Google Maps and all different kinds of stuff right on the phone there. I'm really excited that it has Bluetooth. Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi that automatically connects when it gets to a hotspot. Whoa! Microsoft's entertainment devices. Okay, A, little did we know what a security nightmare that would turn out to be. And then B, like really? I was really excited that it had Bluetooth. I'm so embarrassed right now. What's a widget? It's like the WeChat thing. Widgets were their way of covering up that they had decided not to have an app store. So they're like, oh, well you could just take these web apps and stick them to the home screen. Yeah. This is how WeChat is gonna, now the iPhone is our guide. That's what I'm saying. It's full circle. Yep. I'm kidding. WeChat actually congratulated Apple on its 10 years as it announced their, what do they call them again? That's what they don't call them apps. Mini apps. Mini programs. Mini programs. That's a great name. Great name. Mini programs. Just, you know. Yeah. Adorable. Nailed the marketing. Phil Schiller actually talking to Steven Levy in an interview about the 10-year anniversary said that one of the things they were debating was whether to have an app store, whether to have it open, whether to have it closed. And then Steve Jobs said, look, we can't do an app store in time for launch. So just put off the decision. We're not going to launch with an app store. And then after the phone launched and people were so excited about the apps that were on there, it became obvious. They're like, well, we're definitely doing an app store. Yeah. Which is funny, because at the time what he told journalists was we didn't do an app store because we wanted to protect the experience. We wanted to make sure that the app you launched didn't crash your phone. Like it's always, I mean, you know, it's so apply of them to put it that way. As always, it's to protect you. Is why we don't have this feature. Do you don't want to bring down the West Coast phone network with a bad app? Exactly. Heaven for Fent. Not done with the clips yet. We got a little bit of side news related to Microsoft in here as well. The decision said Monday, it too is considering a mobile phone integrated with a new digital player. But launching such a device is not at the top of their priority list because they think it's just really hard. And it was really hard for another 10 years. It turned out to be really hard for them. Right now they were right. They were wrong. The phone was really hard. Yeah, that was weird to me that we were talking about Microsoft. Microsoft sort of scene is like, well, they should be doing this and all the history that goes into their efforts. I don't think they've given up yet either. I think we're gonna see a Surface phone. I hope so, because they're firing on all cylinders right now. Like the machine I want right now is the Surface. I actually considered not buying a new MacBook and getting a Windows machine. If I didn't have so much software that is dependent, like that would be the hardest part is switching over all the stuff that I use every day. Yeah, and I don't, I'm pretty close. I am at the end of my MacBook Airs life and I don't think I want a new MacBook. Anyway, off topic. That Surface book is very nice. We have one last clip to round out the excerpts from Buzz Out Loud, which was, of course, a CNET property. Thanks to Cedet. Here it is. Oh, the one thing we forgot to mention, the iPhone will only be Singular, which is a tiny bummer. The carrier is Singular. What are you gonna do? I'm on it. I'm not. It will be. I know, right? Which is the tiny bummer? Like who, how many people even had Singular? Was that like that 85 people? Like Singular? That blew my mind. Well, don't believe it. Well, Singular was about to change the name to AT&T. And I'm not gonna pretend to remember all of the permutations of SBC, Bell South, AT&T, Wireless, and Pack Bell that went into this. I'm gonna look it up. But it was the last move after what was AT&T and had been SBC had just bought Bell South and Bell South and SBC had partnered on Singular. They were going to change Singular to be AT&T. Like I think they announced it January 12th. So three days later, by the summer. And so by the time the iPhone actually launched, Singular had changed its branding to AT&T. And I did switch over. I was on T-Mobile and I called T-Mobile and said I needed to switch to Singular, AT&T, or whatever it was by the time June rolled around. And they said, oh, why are you leaving us? And I said, iPhone. And they were like, I figured. Yeah, totally. Everyone in the band. It was the saddest phone call I ever had to make. January, yeah, January 15th. Sorry. January 15th is when Singular became AT&T. Wow. Yeah. So I had not remembered that that hadn't happened yet either. Are you still on AT&T, Veronica? Really? Never switched. Yep. I think I went on. I did AT&T. I did finally break down because of iPhone later. I think it was 3G by the time I finally switched over to AT&T. And then that only lasted like a year and a half. I had T-Mobile because I don't remember if you guys, I had the sidekick. I do remember that. And it was awesome. It was awesome. It was. At the time it really was. I miss this little kick seriously. Like I would go back to that if they put out a new one. Yeah. Maybe. I had signed up for Mobile and Verizon and back again and back again. I had signed up for AT&T Wireless, which then changed its name to Singular. And then I was on Singular until it became AT&T. And I was on AT&T, I don't know, till like 2011, 2012 I think when I switched to Verizon. I feel like the iPhone, the iPhone it's so interesting because like I have a super obviously Mobile first child. And he was born just two months after that. Like I was, that was my pregnancy, yes. Where I was just like, I'm gonna die and it was horrible. But he has basically like his whole life has been wrapped up in iPhone development. And like now I just see him be, you know, all touch screen, all mobile all the time. And I'm like, you don't even understand, like you and this were born at the same time. Wow. Like at the same time. It's pretty crazy. Yeah. It over inflates the iPhone's importance in my life, obviously, but you know, not always. And granted, Android has the dominant market share and you know, feature wise, Apple is under a lot of criticism, whether it's really innovating in the phone space. But at this time, 10 years ago, that phone was something that we hadn't seen. And you could tell, like there's a lot of doubts. I didn't have a clip of it, but we were talking about, are they gonna be able to make all this stuff work? An accelerometer and all that? Molly, you were pointing out, like they're trying to do a lot in this phone. Wait, I was skeptical? No. I know, right? It's shocker. But it was, it was a lot that nobody had ever tried before. It was a lot. And then we still, and yeah, we still found a way to be like, but there's no camera, you know what I mean? It's like, here was this like bananas attempt at technology touch screen alone. Basically a miracle device. Basically a miracle device. Touch screen alone would, it was hard to pull off for people, you know? And we're like, They're no cutting piece. We anticipated this though. Banana's omission. Was there like no tech, no, there was no MMS until like, There was no MMS. You couldn't text them on a photo until like 2004. Yeah. You had to email those. Wait, I'm sorry, 2010. That was 2007. It was Edge. There were no 3G. Right. There was no 3G for ages. It was a non-standard phone jack. So we've come full circle on that. I'm not even gonna lie. I had a total temper tantrum about that, the complete dissolution of my iPhone 6 and was in Montana at the Verizon store with my dad and was like, do you have an iPhone 7 Plus and stuff? Cause I'm like, okay, nobody's going to. It's going to be fine. He's like, yeah, we have the jet black, you know, 128 gig. I'm like, oh, okay, I'll take it. And then flew home trying to like listen to music and charge the phone at the same time. And I was like, what is wrong with me? So I ordered a pixel. Yeah. No, what you're supposed to do is order AirPods and then you can listen to the phone and charge it at the same time while using the phone. It's still so bad. Not happening. Never happening. I just, I feel like, I felt like the only reason I bought it was Stockholm syndrome. I kind of hate, no, I don't kind of. I really hate that there's no headphone jack for multiple reasons, mostly having to do with charging and listening to get the same time situations which do come up. I will say the AirPods work really well. No, they don't work. My headphones plugged into my phone. Oh, do they not work really well? No, Bluetooth is a work. Oh, mine work great. What, now, why do you say that, Veronica? Well, I won't use them because I said, you know, six months ago that if anyone ever sees me with them in my ears, they're allowed to punch me in the face immediately. So you won't see me out in the problem with them. But Ryan's been testing them out mostly. Yeah, there's that problem. But mostly, Ryan's been testing them out for some of the voice stuff. And they're uncomfortable. They keep losing their connection. They fall out. Like it's like the voice commands aren't working as well as he would like. I mean, this is out in the world too. He's not just using headphones or studio. I love the pairing the way that, and they don't fall out of my ears. So I haven't had that same experience, but that's interesting to note. Yeah, so it's not been perfect for everyone. I just cannot imagine the world in which Bluetooth is ready for that. I really can't like just watching the way that Bluetooth interacts with various devices and the car and all of those different things. Like I can't imagine that being a smooth experience. I mean, he did say the one... He was excited to see Bluetooth in products. The one nice thing he did say... Why was I so excited about Bluetooth? Is that the handoff between devices works really nicely. Yeah, that's what I like about it. Because that is clutch. That's like one of the things that Bluetooth has had the hardest problem with. Yeah, no, I don't know. I felt like an idiot for buying the phone, although the camera's amazing. Do you like your Pixel? Oh my God, I love the Pixel. Well, so it hasn't come yet. I just ordered one. I've been using the review unit, the Google review unit, which is long overdue to send back because of the love. I have to like, I'm literally like, I have to send this thing back, but I like it so much. So I ordered. So I finally was like, all right, I'm gonna go back to two phones and I will use the Pixel as the primary with the headphone jack. This is my new plan. And then since it doesn't matter as much, I was able to get myself the blue one, even though it's only 32 gigs, because I was like, well, I'm gonna have two phones and it's gonna be fine. But the Pixel is amazing. Like I have not loved a phone like that in a really long time where I was just like, oh, this thing is great. Yeah, solid phone. And the camera's good on that too, right? Yeah, it's really good. It's warmer. It's like Nikon versus Canon. Like the Pixel warms everything up, kind of like the Canon's do. So you're just like, oh, everybody looks so great. Well, there we go. And here we still are. Talking about that. 10 years later. So little has changed. So much has changed and yet so little. Thanks to everyone who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechdewshow.reddit.com. Also a little blaster in the past for us. We're gonna check in with Nate Langson here to see what's happening with tech in the UK. Hey, thanks, Tom. And hey, happy new year to everyone listening. Over on text message this week, we pick a couple of what we think were underrated gadgets at CAS, including Griffin's smart toaster. Maybe that's just a British thing. And we discuss the UK's National Health Service, the NHS trialing the use of an AI-powered app to diagnose the public instead of our more common method of dialing a toll-free number and speaking to a nurse. It's being seen as pretty significant here. That's out now at techpodcast.uk. Thank you, Nate. You can get that every Sunday. Him and Ian Morris put a little UK perspective on the tech news. Before we get out of here, we got a pick of the day from Ben in Lubbock, Texas, who wanted to pass along cooksmarts.com. It's a meal service that doesn't send you a box of food and charge you a ton to do so, he says. Cooksmarts sends you an email each week with recipes for that week. You can adjust the recipes to accommodate gluten-free, paleo, vegetarian, as well as serving counts to fit a family of any size. If you aren't interested in making a meal, they suggest you can add meals from archived plans, including meals you may have favorited in the past, and the site puts together a grocery list for all of the recipes and even lists out things you can do to prep your meals beforehand. The service costs $6 to $8 per month, depending on how long of a subscription you purchase. But if this saves you from eating out a couple of times each month, it will more than likely pay for itself. My wife and I took a New Year's Eve trip to Albuquerque, and it was incredibly nice to come home, load up our meals, and be off to the grocery store without stress of figuring out what we should cook for the week. Wow. At first I had to say I was like, I'm not gonna pay for a yes I might though, because I haven't had to cancel all of the delivery services because the packaging and the food waste and all of it is totally overwhelming. But I want the variety in my life. I'm kinda digging this. That's interesting. I also canceled all the things because of the packaging was too much. The packaging, it's like a nightmare. And it just keeps coming. Well, and you have to make it, right? It's once you get it, you have to make it within a certain amount of time. And if you forget to adjust what's gonna come, then you end up wasting something or getting something that you don't want or being out of town. Like I felt I wasted a lot more food when I was using that then. The magic with this one that Ben's talking about, and granted none of us have tried it, is that it makes the shopping list for you. Like if that integrates your Google Home shopping list or if it integrated with my Echo shopping list, that would be perfect. Can you ask that? Ruby's onion. Your mom. Your mom, Alexa, add your mom to my shopping list. You just did it, you just did it, you just did it. Did you hear? But you did it for everybody, they're gonna kill you now. Tom, take that out of the thing. It's you and not me. I can't quite hear it, so I'm not sure it worked. It worked over here. Yeah, good. Thanks to Ben for beloved Texas, and again, that's cooksparts.com. You can send your picks to us, feedback at dailytechnewshow.com, and you can find our picks all together on the web at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks. Well, thank you, Molly Wood, for joining us. I'm sorry you're feeling a little under the weather, but you couldn't tell about it. I know, I'm sorry, like, good. I'm sorry, video stream that I've been blowing my nose this whole time, because you know why, CES. Yeah, I mean, honestly, absolutely delightful to be here. And although it may pale in comparison, I hope you guys will all listen to my new podcast that's launching in two weeks, called Make Me Smart with Kai and Molly. It's me and Kai Rizdal, Getting Smart About Stuff, and it launches January 24th. You can subscribe now, and there are many episodes available. Go check it out. And right now I know that the Buzz out loud audience is like, hell no. No, no, they absolutely should. Do a podcast with Tom. We'll talk. The other thing that happened, which is fair, is that you got some production help that'll be familiar to daily tech news show people. I did, yeah, this show is lovingly, and yeah, pretty much lovingly produced by Jenny Josephson. Oh, no, you guys really hate me. She's the best, though. Yes, she's great. Go check it out, marketplace.org slash make me smart. Veronica Belmont, thank you for joining us. As always, what you got to tell folks about before we're out of here. Oh, I don't know. I always try to think of something to tell people about, but you can check out sordenlaser.com and grobot.io for my other projects that I'm working on. Yeah, we'll have a new episode of Sorden Laser next week. Nothing this week, but next week. And we have an interview with author Mike Cole. Awesome, so check that out sordenlaser.com. 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Yeah, she's in the chat room too. Everyone's saying great buzz out loud episode. I know, totally. That was so fun. You guys, seeing Tom at CES this year was just like mind blowing, like crazy. It was weird. It was that first day that I was there, it was like such a throwback because we ran into Brian Tong and Lin Fu was texting us. It was bananas, I had coffee with Lin Fu. Like the whole thing made me think, I kept saying this, that it was such a reunion tour. Like I, it was so nostalgic. And I ran into so many people that I was like, feels like a retirement tour. Like, am I ever coming back here? Or is anybody ever coming back here? Back on stage. Yeah, it was weird. Maybe it was wishful thinking. Yeah. What about some wishful titles? Oh yeah, what should we call this? Yeah. There's a Daily Tech buzz out loud. Nice. Aw, that's cute. WeChat gets We programs, pretty funny. All the buzz. Oh, We, I get it. The Amazon Voice Services Assistant, which cannot be named. It's very long, but cute. It's long, but really cute. A DTNS of indeterminate length. Going its own Waymo. Although I think we've done something similar to that before, Bollywood DTNS. Oh, I get it. Bollywood DTNS. Waymo cars, TV, is this real life? Or is this WeChat? iPhone out loud. The iGeneration. Talking about iGeneration. Oh, the iGeneration. Go with you, talking about your sign. You've actually made that connection. That's a very clever chat room. Yeah, well done. Very clever. I like how buzz out loud is just going up the chart. Just buzz out loud. Just buzz out loud. Just buzz out loud. That would actually be pretty funny just to call this episode buzz out loud. That's what it is. That's what I'm saying. It's not just buzz out loud, right? Buzz out loud. Yes. I kind of like that. We can do that. It's just like, you know, it says everything you need to know. All right. I actually have to go today. Can't stay around. I'm sorry. But Molly, it was awesome. Do you have a J-O-B? See you. I'll see you guys later. Bye. All right. Thanks, Radica. Bye. Bye. So yeah, if you need to go, Molly, go whenever you need to. All right. I'm going to go pick a nap. Yeah. Go rest up. It's sad but true. CES, you bastard. It was so good seeing you there, though. I know. It was awesome to see you, too. I can't believe we didn't get to bum rush the stage. I know. That was just planning on my part. Yeah, we were just going to like just storm the stage and take over. You mean to see that stage? Yeah. The stage. That's pretty awesome. It's like I'm thinking like, wait a minute. The stage. The perfect time was when Jeff Bacalar was up there interviewing Nick Offerman. Oh, yeah. We should have just walked up. Could have been like, nope, step aside. Excuse me. Stand aside, Bacalar. I'm sure you're able to love that. Yeah. All right. Well, this was awesome. I'm really glad it worked out. That was a big hit. Yeah, thanks for doing it. That was great. It was good. All right. We'll do it again soon. All right. That's good. Bye. Bye. And we're done. I'm still levelating now. Tidal pick, I guess. Well, the top right now is Buzz Out Loud. Yeah. We should just go with that. OK. Or do you want daily tech Buzz Out Loud? No, I think we just go. I like what Molly was saying. We just go with just it. Oh, look. Subguns even showed up in the chat room. Nice. Definitely a throwback day. Throwback day. And Jenny Josephson. What are you going to do with the rest of your day, Roger? Probably do family-related things like cleaning after the kid or, oh man, so much stuff to do in terms of boxing or unboxing and putting things away and setting things up and organizing. You're still moving in. I just don't want to do it. That's why it takes forever to get unpacked, because it's no fun. Well, it's like I can see why people did stuff when they moved. Oh, we also have to do an East meets West. We missed December. We did. We missed December. We need to do at least one more, if not two, in January to make up for it. Yeah. Let me know when a good time. I've got a little bit of time this week. I'm doing two Twin Peaks episodes with Ron, but they're at a time when we wouldn't normally do East meets West anyway. So I think we could do, because you're usually good about like seven, right? 7-7-30, it depends. It's been a little later because Ellie gets up around 1.30 or 2.00 in Christ for a while, and it's like, oh. What about Thursday? Thursday sounds good. Let me put that in. Oh, yeah, I'm calling Rena at 4.00. So I don't know how long that will take. You're calling who? Rena? Rena? Oh, yeah. Don't forget we're live. Yeah. Yeah, that's left it at that. Yeah, yeah. So. Yeah, yeah. So that shouldn't take it all 7-7-30. I put us in at 7.30 on Thursday. Oh, yeah, that's fine. That worked. Yeah, I'll put that in. And you can sell fruit, wine. What was the other one? Not cosmetics, who was selling? Garments. Garments. What is this, like 1920s America? Yeah. Although I do remember when the garment district in New York was still like super heavy into that, my cousin would get all her clothes off season for the following year for like, it would be super cheap. It would be like five or six bucks. Because they would just want to clear everything out. Yeah, for the following season. I think they're better at inventory management now. You don't see those kinds of deals as often. Yeah, part of it is supply chains are so global now that what they'll do is they'll shift it to another market or region. That'd be kind of cool. Like, they have smart sewing machines, but I want autonomous smart sewing machines where you just put in the fabric and the pattern. Yeah, this is the pattern and this design. It just has like little arms that will manipulate it and stuff. Yeah, I know. I'm sure in about 10 years time when it grows enough intelligence, it'll probably start demanding higher wages. Yeah. All right, folks. That's it for today's show. Thanks again to Molly Wood for joining us. And of course, Veronica, it was a nice little throwback to 10 years ago. We could get any more major tech anniversaries. Maybe we'll do that again. We'll talk to you tomorrow.