 If you can be a resource for someone else, then you ought to do that. I think you ought to help people develop trust in other people and to be truthful and mean what you say. And that's what I've tried to do. I feel basically good about my relationships with other people because I always do what I say I'm going to do. My first board meeting, I came on campus and I parked and there was a gentleman coming out of the royal building. I didn't know at the time that at that time they were called headmaster. And he was just so warm and accommodating and saying come on in and then when I got in there I learned that he was the headmaster. And on our way to the meeting, there were 10 or 12 students in the past and he was able to call them by name. And to me that was connecting and collaborating and making sure that the student felt accepted. Shirley as I've heard it described before by others and I truly believe this is a force of nature. She's such a winner. You just know that if Shirley Fry is going to engage in something, it's going to be done the best it can possibly be done. North Carolina's motto is to be relative to same. And so if you work with all of the students, you help these students no matter what level they are to become the best that they can be. I love the intellectual aura of a math and science school. I love it because the students are not competing with other peers, they're competing with themselves. Not only are they developing in science, math, technology, but they also develop in the whole person. I will always feel connected to the North Carolina School of Science and Math. Because when I think back I think I got more out of it than I gave. When she's involved in something is the leader and so she's willing to give of herself in a significant way to support things and causes that she believes in. She helps you reach into yourself and say maybe I can go a little bit deeper. Maybe I can give a little bit more than I thought I could give. But I think we have to continue to nurture young people and let them know that we trust them. I think I was put on this earth to serve and not to be served and I try to fulfill that particular mission.