 In this episode of Mind Pump, the world's top fitness health and entertainment podcast, we answer fitness and health questions that are asked by listeners just like you. But the way we open the episode is with an introductory portion. This is where we talk about current events. We mentioned scientific studies. Sometimes we talk about our sponsors. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give you a breakdown of the entire episode. Now the intro lasted 38 minutes. We started out by talking about a new tool for your tool. That's interesting. Hey, tool for tool. We talked about blood thinners and coronavirus. They're showing that treating coronavirus with blood thinners may actually help people quite a bit, which led us to talk about grass-fed meat. Now grass-fed meat is higher in omega-3 fatty acids than regular meat. Now it's not a huge difference, but it's enough to where if you eat meat regularly, you might wanna make the switch to grass-fed meat because omega-3 fatty acids, besides being anti-inflammatory, they also help keep your blood thin. And right now that's an important thing. Now our favorite company for grass-fed meats is ButcherBox. ButcherBox literally delivers it to your door and they have all kinds of different cuts of meat from tri-tip to filet mignon, or as Justin says it, filet mignin. Filet mignin. But now ButcherBox had a wait list before. That's how popular they are. But right now you can go to ButcherBox and they're open. You can sign up, get meat delivered to your door within a few weeks. So here's what you do. And by the way, we have a discount for you. Go to ButcherBox.com forward slash mind pump, use the code mind pump, get hooked up with a special mind pump discount. Then we talked about how 33% of the hustle readers, the hustle is an email newsletter that goes out to millions of people, 33% of them are saying they're moving out of the big city, San Francisco and New York in particular. Mass exodus. Yeah, there's a big change going on. Then we talked about alcohol consumption in the country and gun purchases in the country. They're going through the roof. Speaking of alcohol consumption, there's a product called Zbiotics that you can drink right before you drink and it prevents all the negative effects you get from alcohol. Now, how does it do this? These are probiotics that are genetically engineered to produce an enzyme that breaks down the negative byproducts of alcohol. It's patented, ladies and gentlemen, you don't find this anywhere and it really does work. No joke, try it out for yourself. It's trippy. We have a discount for you again because you're a mind pump listener. Go to zbiotics.com. That's Z-B-I-O-T-I-C-S.com forward slash mind pump. Anyway, we had 10% off the three packs, six packs and 12 packs. Then we talked about all the companies going bankrupt right now because there's some challenging times. We talked about face mask sex and that sounds weird that's kinky. Been recommended. And then we talked about the effects of the shelter in place on some of our loved ones. And then we mentioned the new social media platform, Parler turns out to be a conservative platform. Adam called it. Surprise. He called it on the last podcast. Then we got into answering the questions. Here's the first one. This person's been a calorie deficit for several weeks. They're seeing results, but their abs are not really getting leaner. What should they do? The next question, this person wants to know what we think about fitness trackers. The third question, this person wants to know what we think about blood type diets. 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A little disheveled today. A little borderline. Oh, today it is, because I was fast with my hair. I did it real quick. You know you're on camera every day. Huh? Oh, man. Yeah. Look at that. Leaving the comments right now what you think of my hair. Why don't we see your hair? F-d-d-d-d-dutch. F-d-d-d-d-dutch. F-d-d-d-d-dutch. Never gets older. It doesn't. It'll never get older. Although mine's falling out, dude. I'm not gonna be able to use that anymore. You know, in a little bit. Dude, so you guys know that machine that was sent to us? Oh yeah, yeah. The real loud clacking machine. What? In the corner? So just for the audience, things get sent to us all the time for us to try out. Oh, that's how you're gonna play this. Yeah, well it is. It's true. I didn't order it. Things get sent to us, shut up. Things do get sent to us. You didn't get excited at all. Things get sent to us all the time. Come on, let's put it out. To try out. Tell people what it is. And so this company contacts us and say, hey, we would love for you guys to try out this machine. Shockwave therapy. It's, yeah, it's something like that, right? No, it's what it is. Shockwave therapy. Yeah, how do you know? That's what it's called. Oh, okay. They asked me, I passed. You did? Okay, so they said Adam will do this for sure. So it's this machine that uses shockwave therapy and supposedly it's good. Well, what it was designed for is for erectile dysfunction, but the side effect of it is normal men. It causes, I guess it gives you better erections and all that stuff. Anyway, so, you know, of course, you know, we're like, I don't know, what are we gonna do with this? So like, wait, fine, send one. We'll see what happens. So they sent one over. I plugged it in because I thought you needed to charge it. First of all, the thing looks pretty intimidating. Oh yeah. It's like a spaceship that's just gonna eat your member. It looks pretty intimidating. But I plugged it in. The other day we're all in here in the studio because the audience needed to know this and I thought I had to charge it. So I'm looking at it. I'm trying to figure out like, how do I know if it's charging? I push a button and it sounds like, it's not exaggerated. It's a jackhammer. Yes. That's what it does. Men at work over here. I thought I was broke it, right? I was like, whoa, dude. Heavy construction area. I unplugged it real quick and I'm like, okay, maybe I did something wrong or whatever. So anyway, I took it home and I watched the video and the first thing on the video, it says place numbing cream on your penis, which is not always, that's not a good sign. You're like, wait a minute. Yeah, why do I need to num it? No, I didn't get no numbing cream with it. Yeah, where do you go pick that up? Well, I didn't. I thought I could handle this. Oh, wow. So anyway, I so- You do a light dab or you do like a whole like handful? Very ballsy of you. It was. So I brought it home. I told Jessica about it and I was kind of laughing. I'm like, oh, I got this thing. I'm gonna try it out or whatever. So I brought it home, watched the video, brought it home. She was downstairs and she's like, I'm gonna take a nap right now. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go upstairs and try this thing out. I told her. She's sleeping. And you know, she's pregnant. She's moving into third trimester. She takes naps and all that stuff. So I go upstairs and I plug it in and I turn it on. And that's literally the sound it makes when it's doing what it's supposed to. Yeah. Bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum. And she's like, freaks out, right? Runs upstairs. What the hell's going on? I'm like, I'm sorry. But anyway, I tried it. I don't know if it- I'm remodeling. I don't know if it does anything yet. I've only used it once. So I can't tell. Probably more. So come on, give me a little more detail here. I saw the app, by the way, if you follow my story, I did a video of Sal holding it. So you saw it if you follow me. I did it- Apparently, this isn't me saying it works. I don't notice anything yet. I've only used it once. And I don't have an issue there. So I don't know what I'm gonna see necessarily. What kind of improvement or whatever I'm gonna see. But the testimonials apparently are really good. It's approved. If I'm not mistaken for erectile dysfunction, which means there may be some science. Because if it lasts for four hours, then aren't you supposed to see a doctor? That's my agro-ideas. I mean, that's just what I've been told. Did you hear that COVID story? I shared that with you, I think. No, what was it? Justin always has the good stories like that. And I just feel like he gets the- He sent one my way. Yeah, I sent him this guy that was like 65 and he went in with COVID and he had like this weird abnormality where because they set him up with a ventilator, something about it ended up giving him more like, more, he had something, right? Like they had some sort of like a blood clot or restriction or something going on. Oh, so they must have given him some vasodilator or something. Yes, they gave him something to treat COVID and it ends up happening as a byproduct. He gets this four hour erection. He's like 65. Just won't go away. Wow. Wow, wow, that reminds me of a bad joke. This nurse is touring another new nurse around the hospital and they're walking by and they walk by a room and there's a guy just furiously jerking off and the new nurse is like, what the hell? Oh, sorry, that guy's got like a, he's got a condition. That's Roger. Yeah, he has a condition. He needs to do that, like just ignore him or whatever. And then they walk into another room and there's a guy getting a, he's getting a blow job from one of the nurses. She's like, what the hell? Kind of hospital, no, no, no. Same condition, he's got better insurance. That's an old joke. I've never heard that. That's an old joke. But anyway, so the way you use it is you- PPO. It sounds like a jackhammer and it kind of does jackhammer a little bit and it's got a metal tip of all things. Oh man. It is intimidating. That is intimidating. And what you're supposed to do is you're supposed to hold your package and kind of stretch it or whatever and you put this thing on the side and it goes da, da, da, da, and you move up and down in a line real slowly and then you move in different segments and it doesn't hurt- It sounds like medieval torture to me. It doesn't hurt, but it is a little bit uncomfortable. But I don't know, we'll see what happens. So no arousal for you for this. If you can get aroused while this thing is hammering the side of your penis, you should get an SNN. Yeah, exactly, you've got some other stuff going on. Now, do penis pumps fall in the category of erectile dysfunction tools? They are approved, aren't they? Yeah, that's one of the first. So I wonder how it rates compared to that. Speaking of that, I had to explain what that was to my kids because of Austin Powers. Because they found yours? Oh, sorry. Yeah, they found mine. So, yes. No, it's in that movie. I forgot that was in the movie. They were like, oh, and one penis pump? Yeah. And then my kids were dying laughing. I'm like, oh, great. When received for Swedish penis pump, you know, penis and lunges. Did you work with that, dude, dad? Yeah. It's for blown up balloons. Yeah, that's what I would say. Bigger? Yeah. Did you tell them that? I was like, yeah. Oh, great. Yeah, I was like, I don't know that it really works, but you know, some people think it does. Yeah, well, those were. It temporarily works. Those were. So why? I had one. Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I bought one like, I don't know, like, so I had, so I was told that. That one of those things you buy when you're old enough to get that shit, you know? Yeah, yeah. Turn 18, you're like porn magazine. Yeah, actually what made me take it was that I was taking growth hormone back, this is way back when, and my buddy said that he was recommended from his doctor. He said that if you take growth hormone with that combination of that, you will see like a significant, and all my buddies and I were like, there's no way. And then there was two of us that just like, fuck this, let's just try, let's just see what's up. Really? Yeah, yeah. And you definitely, there's a difference temporarily. I mean, because you're, but it's because you're sucking a ton of blood. It's like getting a pump, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So you have any muscle? Yeah, so I mean, I mean, I'm not that like that where it's just like, oh, I want to try and impress my girl. I'm going to go do that for a half hour before. I just woke up like this. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like, it's kind of like the guy doing pushups in the bathroom, you know what I'm saying? Like sooner or later she's going to find out, bro. Helicopter just to get noticed. Hey, hey, hey. Sooner or later she's going to find out. You see anything different? Huh? See what I've been doing? Come on, what is it? It's like the typical guy, you know, calling out his wife, hey, honey, can you come in here real quick? Yeah, yeah. Why? No, no, no, just come in real quick. So anyway, so what's going on? Yeah, so, what's going on? It's the equivalent of like when they get their hair done. Like, you know what I'm saying? They're just waiting for you to say something, you know? You're just like, what? What am I here for? Yeah. It's hot, right? Do you notice anything? It's hot. I'm naked because it's hot. But anyway, so what's happening? There's a massive change right in front of you. Hey, but speaking of COVID and the blood, and the, you know, stuff to do the blood. So there's reports that are coming out that COVID is really a blood disorder more than it's a respiratory disease. Because it's causing all these blood clots and strokes and stuff and young people and all these issues. So they're starting to treat COVID with blood thinners and they're seeing a higher survival rate. Oh, that makes sense about the hard on then, right? Yes. Oh wow, okay, that makes sense. That's what's just reminding me of that. Oh, okay, wow. Yeah, so they're giving people like high doses of blood thinners, but apparently like aspirin and normal standard blood thinners, probably a good idea to prevent some of this stuff. Right. Omega-3 fatty acids. But not ibuprofen, because then that like tends to exacerbate the problem. You know what? Something about the cells. I think they redacted that. Oh, did they? I think so. Oh, I didn't hear that, okay. Yeah, but you know, omega-3 fatty acids, if your fatty acid profile is off, it makes your blood thicker. And omega-3 fatty acids help thin the blood, which is in a natural way, which is good for you. Here's one of the things about grass-fed meat that I like, because I know there's always this like, oh, grass-fed meat versus regular fed meat. Not that big of a difference, doesn't make a big difference. It does if you eat red meat every single day, like I do, and the quantities that I eat, at least a half a pound to a pound of red meat most days. The difference between grass-fed meat and traditional grain-fed meat is big enough when you add up the cumulative effects. That's what I don't like when people try and tease that out and be like, well, if you compare one or the other, we're splitting hairs. Well, I mean, yeah, splitting hairs in one situation, but if you eat red meat on, I'm with you every day, it's rare that a day that I don't have red meat. And that's why I kind of live by that rule for me, like, okay, when I'm preparing at home, 90% of the time, I'm using my butcher box. That's the goal is I'm gonna use that. And then if I go out to a restaurant, I'm not gonna tell Katrina, no, we can't go to the grill because they don't use grass-fed meat. 100% of the base, that's the building block for my meal. I start with that and then I'll build some kind of dinner or lunch or something around that these days and it's made my life so much more easy to handle that. Look, I've done on myself personal experiments where again, I eat a lot of red meat. I feel good on it. It makes me strong, but I do notice a distinct difference between when I eat a lot of grass-fed versus when I eat a lot of grain-fed. I've done this where, you know, like my butcher box ran out a while ago, right? We had guests or whatever. And so I served up all, we didn't have any. So I went to Costco and I got a bunch of just traditional grain-fed and I was eating my normal, like I said, half a pound to a pound. Some days I eat more than that. Some days it's one and a half pounds of red meat every single day. And I did notice that I was stiffer. I noticed that I was a little bit more inflamed and I had to increase my intake of omega-3 fatty acids supplement-wise to try to offset it a little bit. Then when I went back to grass-fed, because I got my delivery, I noticed a difference again. Digestion was better and my inflammation was down. So again, you're right, one meal, splitting hairs, a few meals, splitting hairs. But if you eat red meat all the time and then you do that over time. So like a year, two years, three years, five years the rest of your life. Oh, yes, add up. Yeah, it totally makes a difference. Totally makes a difference to get those kinds of foods that are gonna give you a better feeling or whatever. You guys know how we're talking about the other day where all of us have been reading a lot of homes, real estate stuff and I read this article. Oh, I'm crazy. I'm reading like 100 hours at least a couple weeks. Like 750, like 750 a year or something like that at least. So I was reading an article and I think it was a hustle. And then they actually did a poll with their readers. And I think they have, you know, hundreds of thousands of readers that are reading the hustle on a daily basis. 33% of their readers, so are 33.3% of their readers are moving in the next two months. Wow. Out of state, like leaving their state. 33? The number one and number two places, New York City and San Francisco. Oh, that's a leaving. Well, it's San Francisco. Yes, leaving, perfect sense. Totally. Austin, Denver, Nashville, Texas. Those are all the big places. So I have cousins and my brother lives in San Francisco. I have a lot of family members that live San Francisco and have lived in, lived there for a long time. Here's what's happened over the last. Gavin Newsom happened. Yeah, well, maybe part of it, right? This is what's happened over the last 10 years. I have cousins have lived there for over 10 years. This is what they've told me because we've had these conversations and they used to say how much they loved it there. Now the homeless problem got really bad. The crime started getting really bad. And now with the shutdowns, they've lost the allure of the city because like my brother tells me, the reason why I liked San Francisco was I could walk outside of my apartment. It's a beautiful place. I could go to restaurants, I could go to bars, I could hang out. Now that everything's closed, I'm stuck in my apartment paying a million dollars just to stay in this tiny apartment when I could go live somewhere else. That's gotta be happening. Well, and in addition to that, we've seen this across the board with a lot of these companies, especially in the Silicon Valley, right? In San Francisco, Bay Area, that are no longer requiring people to come into work. Yeah, so why are you gonna spend so much rent? Yeah, so why live downtown San Francisco and stay? How annoyed would you be paying, like what I think the average rent there is like $3,800 to $4,000 a month for a little studio or two-bedroom type of apartment? Paying that, downtown San Francisco can't go out like you're saying in the restaurant. Your company tells you work from home. Don't come in. Yeah, work from home. I would be pissed, dude. So I'm stuck in a tiny apartment way overpriced rent. Yeah, that's a no-brainer. Dude, I think my brother paid at one point, it was a two-bedroom or one-bedroom, it was like over $5,500 a month, and that was a good deal. You know, it's insanely expensive. Do you think that's gonna affect the pricing? Do you think there's gonna be a drop because of this or is it still gonna stay the same, right? Of course, if the demand goes down, it's gotta, the price has to get there. Yes and no, this is what, so my theory and what I'm seeing happening right now is that because of interest rates so low, we're still seeing bidding wars on houses. We're still seeing real estate selling like crazy. But mainly investors. Yeah, that's what I, that's my theory, right? Now, eventually, if you believe that infusing all this money into the economy like we've done, right, is eventually gonna cause inflation, right? So as a result of that, to slow that down, I think Sal and I were talking about this yesterday off-air, to slow that down, you're going to see- Raise an interest rate. Right now, investors are going crazy because the interest rates are so low, you can buy a property somewhere, rent it out and actually make cash flow on it. So they're all going nuts. That's because it's 2.9, 3.3. When it starts to get to 5% and 6%, you're never, you're not gonna be making cash on cash anymore so that's gonna pull all the investors out and then that's gonna start to slow down. It also depends on the market. San Francisco has really, really strict rent control which totally disincentivizes investment because you're not gonna want to invest somewhere if you can't make your money back. So they have really, really tight rent control and the allure of living in a city is really starting to drop because you can work remotely. There's, you know, the allure of the city is gone now that everything's closed and a lot of these cities, crime, and I know New York crime has exploded recently. San Francisco crime has exploded. I know that one of the laws in California now is you could do something like, I believe you could rob up to $900 or something like that and it's a misdemeanor. So that's still in effect because that was like before the whole COVID thing with you were starting to see that from some of the homeless community coming in. Who was saying that? Was it you or Sal? That was how much? Yeah, in CVS and they would like get the exact amount that was basically like under like six or $900. My brother said they would walk because of Walgreens, which was a staple in San Francisco. Yeah, it's Walgreens, that's right. Starting to move out because they're not getting protected because people would rob, then they'd call the cops, cops would take them in and they'd spit them out the next day and they wouldn't do anything. That's crazy, man. And my brother said literally he saw people taking deodorant and hairspray and stuff like that. They'd throw it in a garbage bag. Then they'd walk out and the employees are not stopping them anymore because it's a waste of time. Then they're walking out, going around the corner, putting the deodorant and hairspray on the floor and selling them for cheaper. What a shit show. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just crazy. But some places, so much lawlessness, that's been allowed with the mask of good intentions. That's been like the theme I've seen in a lot of these major cities that are just crumbling right now. Are you guys reading anything on like alcohol and consumption? So that is it still like skyrocketing? Yes. I know it was before. Here's two statistics that when you hear them together. Mine hasn't slowed down at all. So I'm sure I'm not alone. Two statistics that when you say them together, kind of scary. Alcohol consumption is exploding. I don't know if it's at all-time highs, but it's high. And gun purchases at all-time highs. That is, that's an all-time high. We're on pace to set a record of more guns purchased in a year ever. Ever. Yeah. And you know what's funny about this? New ownership. Yes. It's a huge percentage of new gun owners and of those new owners. Over 50, right? And of the new gun owners. Women. A big percentage of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are women that are purchasing. My buddies, I think it's great. I mean, personally. Well, I think if you're responsible and you learn how to use it, then it is. Yeah, I don't think a bunch of these girls are going buying guns so they can go rob stores. No. I think it's a home protection. That's the thing is if they go through that, they learn how everything works. Like, you know, it's very empowering if you go through all those steps. Yeah, and there's also revolvers they're selling more and more revolvers. Revolvers are historically new buyers like to get them, they're easy to load, easy to use, they don't jam. They're just, they're a nice kind of first gun. Talking about guns and alcohol. You know, I haven't, we were, obviously we were watching gun. We got Smith and Wesson's when we bought that stock, right? But I haven't been watching alcohol stock. Have you guys been watching? I haven't watched anything like that. Doug, do you have any 411 on that? Yeah, no idea. None. What would be the stock? What's the ticker? Public. Well, Budweiser, what is it? Johnny Walker. No, no, no, what's Budweiser? Budweiser's what, Anheuser-Busch. Anheuser-Busch is one of the biggest ones, right? They have a ton of brands underneath them. I know that. Yeah. Would be one to look at. I'm curious to see. White Claws exploding. Who owns White Claw? I don't know. White Claw's owned by somebody. Yeah, they are. That's a good question. I don't know. There's a lot of competitors now to White Claw. There are, yeah. We see them all over. Well, you saw Anheuser-Busch. High noon or whatever. Anheuser-Busch did their response to that. They created their own line that is like. Did they? Yeah, the Budweiser water. Yeah, because when we were up in Tahoe and we were celebrating the fourth, that's what I did. I went to the grocery store and I bought a bunch of White Claw and there were a lot of different brands that were kind of similar. So I had, there's like truly, I think it's one of them. Truly, yeah. Yeah. You know, wasn't there a drink like that when we were kids? Yeah, Zima, dude. It was Zima, right? Yeah, it was made fun of. It was so different. What? These guys got to defend it over here, dude. Because he's a big White Claw guy. He's a closet White Claw guy. He's just a sorority trick. Yeah, you see. He keeps his figure. Yeah. Come on, man. I want all those calories. I want the party without all the calories. Dude, it's a beautiful match. Where were we? We were somewhere where, I forgot where it was. And I think it was you guys. Wasn't there a place we went where they vaporized alcohol? Yeah, that was San Diego. No, it was Austin. Was it Austin? I'm pretty sure it was in Austin. What was that? Yeah, it was in Austin. We went to this bar and they had, like that was one of those options. They vaporized the alcohol and you like basically inhaled it through a bag. It was like, you know, like it was a little airbong or something. Yeah, and you got, and you felt. Oh, immediately. A head rush. You felt a little drunk, but it only lasted like. It was a different high though for sure. But you got kind of drunk for like 30 seconds or a minute. Remember that? And it would go away. And it was like $15 a shot or whatever. It was probably the CO2 getting you high, right? Yeah, it's probably killing brain cells, which you felt like. Yeah, that's probably it. Lack of a smoke in a banana peel. Did you guys see on the forum? Who was it? I think it was, let me see. I took a picture of it so I could give them a shout out. It was Chris and Rachel Phillips. No. So they've been on our forum for a little while and they took a picture or video of them drinking the Z Biotics and then basically they partied. Oh, they did what we did kind of deal. Yeah. Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah, so they were reporting in the forum how they felt and. Yeah, the next day, what was the results? Well, this is from Chris. Chris said, it worked like a charm, even had a shot at tequila and it's been about a year since I've been that brave. So he had about six drinks and he says he's totally sold. I tell you that stuff is, it's weird. It works. It's really, really. You still get exhausted, but I mean, you don't have a lot of the effects. Like I, man, if I get too hammered, the whole next day is ruined. It's not weird when you know the science. Once you understand the science, it makes sense. It's weird because I have tried about every, because for me personally, I'm obviously a fitness guy, right? I love working out. I love feeling good. I love, you know, good performance. And what always deterred me from alcohol was, A, it took away from my strength and muscle gains, which is very important to me when I was in my 20s. So if I went out, I didn't drink because of that. Yeah, just like. Same thing, right? So two, I hated feeling like shit the next day because then I couldn't get a good workout. And every time I drank, no matter what amount I had, the next day I would feel kind of shitty. So I just never, but I tried every remedy in the book. I tried everything in order to see if I could offset the effects. I tried every nutrient combination. I tried every, you know, charcoal, activated charcoal helps a little bit, especially with the upset stomach. But you still, you know, if you have a few drinks. See, I was the opposite of you guys. I would like work out to support my drinking. Or I would like incorporate like, which is the games around the drinking where I would like, you know, we'd play Home Run Derby with Cakes. Which is the true inspiration of him becoming a trainer right here. It is. I'd make up for my frat boy Ricky here. I need it. He's like, I should get money, get paid for doing all this fitness. Somebody's got to. But I mean, Zbiotics works so good. It's almost unbelievable. You literally feel like, you know, like nothing the next day. Didn't you say that you, was it, were you trying out for the, for your college football team? Oh, you remember that? Yeah. Was that a color guard? Yeah, it was color guard. It was actually, hey. No, I, that's exactly what happened. I was debating on going out cause we were actually living in this fraternity house, which I wasn't part of the fraternity, but my friends were. And they had this big party for one of my friends. It was like his big brother, big bro reveal or something. I don't know what the fuck they call that. Big brother reveal? Yeah, like they give you a big brother that's like part of the mentor. Mentor. Mentor. So he invited me to that and I'm like, no, no, no, I got this thing tomorrow. You know, I got to be sharp and be on my game. Cause you were trying out for the team. Cause I was trying out for the team. And then like literally, I don't know, five minutes later, I'm doing shots with everybody and like having a good time. And then like, oh no, I'm going to pay for this tomorrow. 100% influenced by some chick. Totally. There's chicks. Yeah. He's like, no, no, I'm not doing it. Hot chicks walk in the door. I vividly pour me a shot. 100% is all guys and then the girls came and then one gave me. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Of course. And so then totally compromised my entire integrity of like, yeah, I'm going to be like totally sharp and ready. And it ruined my, you know, obviously ruined my performance the next day. And I was like yacking and everything after I was done running. I was running like in a diagonal. You know, I was even running straight. Yeah, I would have had such a better like 40 times if I was just running straight V8 commercials. Oh yeah. Or those stupid commercials. You know, do you know how many? But it was meant to be, right? Yeah, exactly. That's how I look at it. You could have become a professional football player, never made it to mind pump. And Adam and I would have to do this by ourselves. You guys would be like, never work. Not even a thought. You know what I mean? Thank God you never became a professional football player. No, not even the worst. Because of that one stupid mistake. Yeah. That exactly what would have happened. Yeah, no, no, no. Hey, are you guys seeing all the, the bankruptcies that are happening still? No, what do you mean? Okay, so I got a new list. Just, I mean, obviously there's way more than this. You say that with zero sensitivity. Hey guys. I know, I know, I know, I should be more sensitive to that because I know a lot of a lot of people. Yeah, that's bad. Harding right now. Listen, these are just some of the bankruptcies that are happening since COVID, right? Brooks Brothers. Yeah, I saw that one. Chuck E. Cheese. What? Yeah. I thought they pivoted. They did. And I obviously still file for bankruptcy. So they're, they're, you know, undercover pizza on. Well, the last place you want to go with COVID is the freaking balls that you jump in and play. Yeah. It's like a, it's like a breeding ground of dude. Did you hear, I think Justin brought it up or maybe I brought it up, brought up what they did though to pivot. Yeah, they were doing delivery. Yeah, but they weren't doing it under a different name. And I was some, some racist attire name they made up. Right. Well, yeah, but you know what? I thought that was really clever because nobody ever said, okay, no one ever said, oh, go to Chuck E. Cheese. They have the best pizza. No. Nobody ever, right? You're taking there for the kids, right? So that was a really smart move, I thought. I go for the animatronics. Obviously just didn't pan out. So it's Chuck E. Cheese, 24 hour fitness. Obviously we've talked about that. GNC, we talked about that. Hertz, we talked about that. J Crew, I didn't know this. I love J Crew, JC Penney. Oh, that's too bad. Yes. I like J Crew too. Yeah. Sal, JC Penney. Damn it. Ross Dressverless, Sal. Where am I going to get my shoes? Dude, it's such a bummer. That brings me back. Remember JC Penney catalogs when you're a kid, do I remember? Of course you did. That's the lingerie area. That's before. Yeah, I know. I know. That's the National Geographic. You're having a good time. That's, hey, man. Yeah. Neiman and Marcus, Pier 1, Papyrus. I don't know what that is. Dean and DeLuca, Fairway, True Religion, Routes USA, Gold Gym, John Vervados, Models and Advantage, the rent-a-car place. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, yeah, rent-a-cars. You know what? I wonder if there's going to be a lot of good prices on cars for sale after that, right? Because all those rental car companies have to sell cars or whatever. Yeah, I wonder how that works. I don't know how that works. That's where mine came from. Mine was a rental car. Oh, it was? Uh-huh. You only had, like, what, 20,000 or less? Just 20,000 miles. Yeah, buying a new car doesn't make any sense, I swear. The difference in price is just, yeah, it makes me feel like an asshole there. Both of you guys are assholes. Yeah, I thought mine was easy. Not because of that, though. Dude, you want to hear a stupid article I just read? Sometimes I think to myself, why do people even write these articles? So the article was about sex during the COVID era. And this is what they said. This is what they recommend in the article, instead of saying don't have sex with people that you don't know very well or don't live with. This is what they say. If you have an out-of-house coronavirus crush, besides keeping your mask on, so number one, let's just stop right there, wear a mask while you're having sex with someone. Oh, like the fluid exchange doesn't matter. That's fucking weird. So you're going to wear a mask and a condom and then whatever. Besides doing that, avoid kissing, oral to anal contact, and anything else that involves semen or urine. Well, there goes my plan. That's everything Justin does. Yes, all of it at once. He's screwed. So minus the block of cheese. I mean, that's pretty much, cancels everything from Friday night. How about eat this cheese with this mask on? Yeah, so they're saying wear a mask when you're having sex. Why don't they just say the obvious, which is you probably should not go and have sex with random people right now with this COVID. How dare you say abstinence. Yeah, well, how dare you? I just couldn't promote that. Wouldn't that be weird though? You meet someone, you're like talking, I'm like, hey, that's... Nobody is doing that. That's where I'm at. Nobody's doing that. And I saw all these rules they just come up with. I saw our buddy Mark going like a big rant too, and I agree with him on this too. What's the percentage? I'm going to say some crazy, ridiculous number like 80 or 90% of the people are not even doing the mask thing correctly. I see people with their noses hanging out of it, probably a mask they haven't washed for freaking two months now. It's like ridiculous or wearing it in their car by themselves. Did you see that there was a guy that got in a car accident? Yeah, he like suffocated. He passed out because he passed out because he was wearing his mask while driving. What? Why are you wearing a mask in your car? Yeah. You're by yourself. And why did you put chloroform on it? Yeah. That's not a good move. You try to keep it clean, dude. Don't wear any of Justin's masks. Hey, smell this real quick. Hello, you went to sleep. You got to wear your mask. Yeah, dude. I've seen, have you seen people like this driving their cars with masks on? Why? I don't know. What are you doing? No, that one actually irritates me. You know why? Because there's so much bullshit news out there. Everyone's fucking confused. It's true. There's so much, there's so much from each direction that people are like, I think I'm doing it right. This is the one thing keeping it from entering my body. Yeah, no. It's, dude, you know, on a sad note, I'll tell you what, man. You know, and I said this before in the podcast, we don't, we're strongly considering the obvious risks of potentially contracting and spreading this virus. But what we're discarding are all of the downstream other effects that could potentially happen from really, really strong, you know, measures at trying to prevent virus spread. For example, okay, I went to go visit my grandparents and I haven't seen them. They haven't seen anybody for three months besides FaceTime. They haven't seen or been around anybody physically. Yeah, that's rough. Now my grandmother had recently had a very small stroke. She's okay, everything's fine. But because of that, her daughter, you know, my mom, her sisters are over there. Everybody's been social distancing, but everybody's there trying to help or whatever. So we basically have been able to go over there because it was a scary situation. My mom, my grandmother's older. My grandfather's 90, my grandmother's almost as old and she almost, you know, that's scary, right? When she had, she had a stroke. Right. So we're all like, let's just, we got to go there. Be careful, you know, where you're massing everybody, but go and we need to see them. And I went there. I haven't seen my grandparents in three months. They're, they're, both of their health declined in that three month period in such a quick, so fast. Oh yeah. Because when you're, especially when you're older, you need human contact. Community is part of health. Dude, this reminds me of, so I had a client years ago, I'll never forget this. And it was such a powerful, powerful example to me. I had a client that I trained for a long time. Barbara was her name and she was in her 80s and I trained her for six years. And you know, over this period of time, you could kind of see a little bit of dementia. I don't know if you could call it dementia, but she would kind of repeat herself or she'd tell me a story that she told before. And maybe there was a little bit of decline, maybe over that six week period, excuse me, six month period. But it was, it wasn't super perceptible. Anyway, one day when she was taking a shower, she slipped, broke her leg, so she couldn't come to the gym anymore. After she healed her doctor, or excuse me, her daughter said she wasn't going to pay for personal training anymore because it was her daughter that was hiring me. So I didn't see this woman for, I don't know what it was, like eight months, something like that. So trained her for six years, twice a week, religiously. Didn't see her for about, I don't know, seven or eight months. Went to the grocery store. Ran into her. She didn't recognize me at all. Wow. She didn't know who I was. I went up to her, I'm like, hey, Barbara. And she looks up at me like super confused and she goes, who are you? And I'm like, Sal, I train you and this and that. And she's like, I don't know who you are. And her daughter was right there. She's like, oh, her health is really declined. And I knew it was because she stopped exercising. When you don't exercise and you're in your 20s and 30s, your health declines, but it's slow. When you're that old, if you take your foot off the gas very fast, and that's what I saw with my grandparents. Not that they stopped exercising, but they stopped seeing their grandkids. They stopped seeing their kids and their great-grandkids. They stopped that human. You see extreme reactions. We see extreme examples in this when a spouse dies at like 70. You ever seen someone like that? They look at their age like 10 years in that one year after they one died. It made me feel so bad. And I talked to my mom and all my aunts and uncles. And I said, listen, I said, we still should be very careful. We should social distance. If you have any, you know, if you have a little bit of a cough or whatever, a fever, and also don't expose yourself to other people and then come here. I said, but I think that the health, the negative health effects of them not seeing us outweigh the maybe risk that they may get of us being here. You know what I'm saying? No, I totally agree. I think it's definitely a consideration to see, you know, how we can all sort of like uplift our, our, I mean, our mental state. Like, I think that's such a vital part of our health that we have to really consider. Yeah. Do you see that? Do you see the difference in your kids? Because they can't go to school and be around friends? Exactly. There's another point. When we were up in Tahoe with all the kids together, it was so great to see them all playing and running. All new energy, yeah. Because they're interacting, we're social creatures. To remove that part of it is to remove a little bit of humanity. That's what I mean. We are- It's going to be very interesting when we see, because we're still in the thick of it, right? And there's, then it is, it's so political right now. It shouldn't be political. I know it should, but it is, right? It is what it is. But in, in about a year, we're going to be able to look back and you're going to be able to see like a very clear indication of when COVID hit and when we all decided to shelter in place. And there's things that we've already talked about, like, you know, the rise of domestic violence, suicide, going up depression. Anxiety, depression. Right. And so right now, the argument is, and it's a fair argument, that, okay, those things are all going up, but at, you know, at the cost of us potentially saving millions of lives potentially, right? But after we've looked at this over a course of a year, you know, those numbers might start to be enough that we, you start to go like, holy shit, you know, X amount died from COVID, but this percent more people committed suicide, this percent more increased in obesity, this percent more- This much more abuse went up. Right. And, and, you know, at that point, what will those numbers look like? And it will have to really ask ourselves, was that the best strategy? And that's going to be a hard conversation. We don't consider, and we see this in the fitness space all the time, we don't consider the whole sphere of health. Part of that is your, whether or not you're sick. That's definitely a part of your health. But your mental state is a part of your health. The relationships around you are a part of your health. Your spiritual health is a part of your health. Your physical fitness is a part of your health. All of these things make up your health, and you have to understand and consider that. And at the end of the day, look humans are extremely, we're such social creatures that in war, if you, if you take a prisoner and you isolate them, that's against the Geneva Convention. It's such a, it's, we know this for a fact, we're such social creatures. So we need to be able to consider all these things. And I think that the downstream effects, nobody's looking at. And it was really sad to see my grandparents, and in just three months I could see my, my grandfather didn't have a stroke or anything. He's totally, you know, otherwise healthy. And I could see his health decline. Because he was not around all the people that he cares about and loves and, you know, all that stuff. Anyway, one last thing I want to say, Adam, you are totally right about that new social media platform, Parler. Oh yeah, yeah. It was what I said, huh? It is, it is, it is totally a conservative. Yeah, it's got a conservative lean. Dude, it is, so the way they advertise it is uncensored social media. Like we don't, you know, block things. Unbiased. Unbiased. It's just another option. Unbiased social media. Yeah, so I went on there and I'm looking at it and I'm like, oh, this is the conservative version of like Instagram and Facebook. And that's exactly, I mean, Fox did the same thing too, right? Like they didn't come out and say like, we're the conservative, you know, source of news. They came out with, we're the unbiased, you know, source. Very, very similar. What did they say, fair and balanced? Yeah. That was their tagline. That's my favorite. But yeah, it's totally, it's a market response. You're like the opposing view. Gonna be interesting though. Like I'm definitely, I'm gonna watch it closely. Oh, it's better than just one, right? I mean, I put myself on there just so I could follow it and see what's going on because I predict that this is going to be a trend that really grows. I really do. I just think that there's a big enough market for people who want to, like everybody likes to smell their own farts, right? And right now you've got some people feeling like that on Facebook and other people feeling like they're smelling other people's farts. And so they want to get on another platform. Yeah, that's weird. I think there's a big enough market for it. Well, listen, it's called social media for a reason. It's now what media is for us. Many people get their new, my shit, my best friend gets his news from Twitter saying like that's what most people are doing that now. And so there's a strong representation, I think, that is center left leaning. And we don't have a strong of a representation on the center right leaning. And you're gonna see it. So this is literally, we're watching CNN and Fox happen on the social platforms. I mean, and it's- I don't see any center. Yeah, I know. That's been me being kind. Yeah, I know. No, it's really left. I see 100% bias. Here's what I dream. Here's what I do. And it's annoying, but it works. Follow people on both sides. Even if you hate them, because I think the extremes are ridiculous, but I follow them anyway. Just so you know what people are being fed. Yeah, being loud about. Yeah, you know what people are being fed. And I love it because I'll see the same issue, the exact same issue. Like when the whole, what was it called, Chazz or Chop or whatever in Seattle? The Chazz kind of both. Oh my God, the way that was reported on one side and the other, it was like- They're just camping. Yeah. Oh, it's a festival. And the other side's like, it's anarchy, everybody's dying. I was like, who's right? And what's going on here? And it's very interesting. Yeah, you don't know. First question is from Swayzee Lifts. I've been in a deficit for several weeks and I'm seeing results, but I can't seem to shed the last few pounds of body fat to see my abs. Where do I go from here? So this is where I love to reverse diet you or have a, put you on a mini bulk and also switch your programming. So like after I, if I have a client that I've been, our goal is to get to a certain point. And this is soup, by the way, this is very common. Yeah, it's like the last place to get all this. There's like these phases like, when you first get started, it's relatively easy to see results because anything is going to show change in your body. And then as you get leaner and leaner, it actually becomes more challenging. And it might become more mentally easier because you've built consistency and behaviors and habits now and a routine, but it does get more challenging as far as what the levels that you have to push yourself through or the science that you have to apply to really get to the next level. And so when somebody is training with me and we run in this roadblock, and of course, I never let like one week be that too because there's a lot of things that could happen. Like you could have had a stressful week, it could be that time of the month. You could have other factors that are making you think you're not seeing as much results. So I never let like one week of whatever we're doing dictate a major shift in my programming or diet. But if you've had two or three weeks where you've really plateaued and you can't get that final last five or 10 pounds or two or 3% body fat, that's normally my sign as a trainer now, okay, now when I'm going to increase the calories for a while because you've been in a deficit, your body's obviously getting very adapted to what we're doing. I'm also going to switch gears on how we're training and programming and put you in a different direction. And I'll only do that for a couple of weeks and then go back to reverse cutting you. Well, they are saying that they've been in a deficit for several weeks and I'm seeing results. So what do you mean by several weeks? You've been in a deficit for three weeks and now you're frustrated that you can't see your abs. What body fat percentage were you starting at? I mean, if it's only a few weeks. And you're seeing results. So it's like it just sounds to me it just needs to keep going. Yeah, it's like I've been bench pressing for three weeks now and I can't add 50 pounds to my bench yet. What's going on now? Maybe you just got to do it longer. I don't know how long you've been doing this. If you started at, if this is a man and you started at 13% body fat and you're only doing it for several weeks and you're seeing results but not seeing your abs, they keep going, you might need to get a little leaner. If it's been like six weeks, seven weeks and you started at 12% body fat and you're really plateaued then I would do what Adam's saying. And the reverse diet literally means you're just increasing your calories a little bit. Typically you'll add, depending on the person, anywhere between 150 to 300 calories a day, focus on building strength and muscle. Now here's, this is something interesting about this process. Sometimes if you do it right and depending on the person, reverse dieting, bumping calories, focusing on strength training, gets you leaner too by itself. No, that's why it's a great method. Yeah, sometimes it's like it just, that's what gets you leaner. Especially when you do it as calculated as what you just said. You just add about 100 to 300 more calories. Like that's not enough to put on like pounds of fat. And if you also change the program at the same time, normally that is enough to do both. Like you'll definitely kind of kick you out of that. So my advice was, I want to make that clear, if you have a plateau but you're right, if you're still seeing results, then stay the course. You know, stay the course. And like I said, I wait for a good solid two weeks or I feel like nothing's happening. Like if I've got a client on a protocol that I feel confident we should be consistently dropping, and what happens sometimes is eventually we plateau out, I'm gonna like, okay, stay the course still for another week. Let me evaluate what's going on. Okay, we're still at a hard plateau. Now let's make some adjustments. And then that's one of the ways that I would make adjustments. The last resort, you know, that none of us mentioned, you know, because we do get a lot of cardio type questions. Like cardio is like the very last thing that I want to add. I want to manipulate food and manipulate programming as many times in ways that I can before I just say, okay, now what I want you to do is, you know, 20 minutes of cardio every single day after your workout. Like that's it. That's an easy way to kind of break out of a plateau, but it's also the last way that I want to do it. That's my final like, okay, we're almost right where you want to be. Okay, let's ramp up the cardio. Yeah, and here's the last thing you can do. You can also try building your abs. You may be in a situation like I was years ago where I would get down pretty lean, but my abs really wouldn't really pop out. It was because I needed to develop my abdominals. As I got them developed, I was able to see them at higher body fat percentages. We have a program called the NoBS, six-pack formula that really focuses on developing the muscles of the core and the abs, so that they are visible at higher body fat percentages. Next question is from Jose M279. What are your thoughts on fitness trackers? How do you think they are best used? Yeah, so I know you guys are really big, you know, fans of fitness trackers. I didn't use them a whole lot in my career until, you know, relatively recently. You know, the thing I like about fitness trackers, as I've used them more recently, is just they give you a better idea of your activity levels. They're not like the super accurate, you know, don't look at them like that, but rather look at them as giving you kind of a picture, you know, a wide view of what's going on. A lot of times people think differently than reality. You know, I remember when Bodybug first came out years ago, this was one of the first legit fitness trackers, and, you know, we would mess around with it with clients, and I remember I'd have clients that we would notice that on the days that they worked out, they would actually burn less calories than on the days, than like on the weekends, which sounds kind of crazy. And you'd never guessed that. Like, I would never have guessed that they would burn more calories on the weekend than they did during the weekend they were working out. But then when we broke it down, because once we saw that data, I said, okay, well, what's going on? Is the machine broken? What's going on? I would start asking questions. Okay, I know you trained with me Monday for an hour. How active are you the whole rest of the day? Yeah, what does your day look like? Oh, you're sitting no time. I sit at work all day long. Okay, well, what did you do Saturday? Because Saturday you burned tons of calories. Well, I washed the car, mowed the lawn, I went to the mall, went shopping, you know, I was out on my feet all day till about five or six o'clock at night. And then it became quite obvious to us, oh, was all this extra activity that you were doing, that wasn't even considered a workout, but you were burning a lot of calories. That kind of awareness can help a lot. Yeah, I just look at it as acquiring more metrics, more data. And if that really drives you into a healthy place, I'm all for it. If you're that kind of attention to detail-oriented type person where I don't have trained quite a few clients like this, that are into Strava, and they're into all these crazy analytics that your average person doesn't keep track of every single rep that they're doing. I used to have somebody that I trained that would actually count all the reps and would tell me at the end how much volume he had and all this stuff based off of our workouts. And was driven to outdo that. And things like that, where it's like a motivator. But for a coach, I think it's helpful to just be able to kind of plot and put things out there so you actually can see more factors involved in that individual. Because what we're trying to do really is to establish what makes them unique and where their patterns lie, behaviors, things like that. So if we can peer into certain behaviors, like you do move more on the weekends and that's an advantage and highlight and show you why and how to incorporate that through your week. So if it unlocks things like that where you can understand your behaviors better, I'm all for it. If it detracts you, if you get too obsessed with it, just like IFYM. If you're talking about tracking all your macros constantly and you're neurotic about it, and you get stuck there, that's where I start to have a problem with it. And I've seen people get like too fixated on the exact data that they're doing to where that's what drives them in all their efforts. So I'm for sure out of the three of us, like the most hardcore about this. Like this is a mandatory thing for me, like for clients. It just is. And the reason why that is is I believe in my experience that almost everybody, okay, and there's always exceptions to the rule, but for the most part, 90% of clients that I've trained are stuck in that, you know, Salah loves to talk about the five steps of awareness or whatever that you always talk about. 90% of everybody is truly unaware. And the reason why- They're unaware that they're unaware. Exactly. For the first step, right? So they're stuck at the first step. Kind of dissidence. And the reason why I'm so confident of that is I still am. There's very few people I've ever trained that have tracked as diligently as I have, taken it to a competitive professional level to where they were, I mean, everything. I was for three years, right? And I still, you'll see, you'll see if you watch our old videos today, like I'm not wearing mine today, but I still utilize it all the time. Like you'll also now go on a kick where I decide like, you know what, I really want to, you know, take my fitness up a notch right now, or I want to lean out for whatever reason. And before I do that, I strap on my Fitbit again to get a gauge and idea of my- And here's what I've found over, you know, decades of using these tools is that even as aware as I am, even as much as tracking that I've done, my behavioral changes, or my behaviors change all the time. You know, what we're currently doing right now because of COVID, I have different movement patterns and habits right now than just four months ago. Four months ago, I made it to the mall at least a couple of times in the month. I grocery shopped way more often instead of getting instacarded to my house. I was going to the gym where I was having to walk out of the park. So my behaviors are all- And in that two decades, I've had three or four different career changes where different jobs require me doing different things. I found out new things about the way I eat and so my eating behaviors change. So I'm always using it as a way to check back in with myself and to just confirm what I might believe, right? Oh, I think I'm doing about this right now. Well, let's track and let's see. Now, and the thing that I know that like Sal and Justin like the least about these tools, and I agree, and I think Dr. Andy Galpin does a good job in his book Unplugged, kind of discussing this, is we've taken the fitness space, like always, has taken something really good and valuable and then we've just, you know, bastardized it. Now it's like it's this competitive market and there's tons of money to be made in it and everybody's arguing over which one is, you know, 3% more accurate, which one has a better UI? Which one offers this feature? Which one attacks? It's like, okay, that's where this can get so nuanced and overkill for most people. Like I utilize the Fitbit literally just for the, I want to see my steps, what it's estimating that I'm burning in calories right now. And that's really it. That's enough to give me a really good idea of my activity level and allow me to start to build some sort of a structure. Diet-wise, what I don't do is I don't get hung up on the actual number. I don't go, oh, that says 2700 calories I burn a day, therefore I'm going to eat X amount of calories. That's not how I work. You're just looking at the trends. I'm just looking at the trends and because I've done, and when you've done this enough times, I know like for me, what low amount of activity is, what a high amount of activity is, what is kind of an average range, what that looks like. And so it gives me insight on my current behaviors and my current habits of exercise, my current habits of movement. And then it allows me to start to adjust that from there. I don't get hung up on the exact number that the tool is feeding back to me. I'm using it as a gauge, the same way that I use a scale, the same ways that I use a body of evidence. And I think they are incredible at giving people awareness of what they're doing. Because just like you both alluded to is, most people, including ourselves, who are professionals in this field, overestimate or underestimate. Underestimate calories and overestimate activity. Yes, every time. Every time. And I still do this today, two decades of being in this space, I still am always off a little bit. And so I think they're incredible. Now, if they become something that you are so attached to and hung up on, that it's dictating... Even neurotic about it because it's functional. And Dr. Andy Galpin gets into that, right? Like it's kind of like this, right? And I think in his book, he actually uses this analogy before Tom Toms and Garmin's and all the navigation systems came out. I used to pride myself on being the person where once I go a place one time, you never have to tell me directions again. I just had this like photographic memory of remembering things and street names that just... I was really good at that. When these got popular, was when I was about 18 to 20 years old. And so once they came on, I thought they were really cool. They got it put into my car. Now, fast forward 10 years later, I am the worst. Well, I can't... Super relying on it. I've lived in San Jose for two decades. I still use the damn thing to go to... If I go to a new restaurant, even though I'm super familiar with this whole city, I still use the damn thing because I become dependent on it so much. So you don't want to become like that. You don't want to become so dependent on these tools that you can't learn to kind of figure these things out for yourself. But also don't be a fool. They help. I'm not going to go to a new city and go to a store I've never been to and not use my tool. That's why I bought the damn thing. I'm not going to go get a map out and prove to myself I can figure this out when I've got the resources. But I'm also not going to become so dependent on it that I don't open my eyes and pay attention to my surroundings and learn where the hell I'm going. Next question is from Shell Keep It Fit. Any thoughts on eating for your blood type? You know, there's very, very little if no evidence that shows that there's any... that your diet should be dictated at all by your blood type. I have seen the arguments made for why you should eat, you know, for your blood type. There's a few books that came out for that. Again, there's really little or no evidence to support it. And I would guess that maybe the little bit of evidence that they try to make might have to do with the traits that tend to follow certain blood types. Like if you're type O, like people from a certain area or region of the world, there tends to be a higher propensity of them to be type O versus type A. Or correlation stuff. Yeah, but here's the thing. Let's just say that your blood type does influence how your body reacts to food. It is but one factor among many, many, many, many factors that dictate how you should probably... I can name a few right now. I can name your microbiome, for example. Your microbiome will affect how your body reacts to food. What about the psychological aspect, the attachments we have to foods or the behaviors that surround foods? What about the types of goals that you have? What about your immune response to foods? There's so many different factors that determine what how a diet is going to be for you in terms of if it's going to be good or bad. It's like when people do the DNA testing, and there's, oh, my DNA test says that I should eat mostly meat. But what if you're somebody that's super opposed to eating meat? What if you're a vegan for moral reasons? Well, who cares what your DNA test says? You have to consider that as well. What if your blood type test says that you shouldn't eat bread? But what if you grew up making bread with your mom and bread is something that's real important to you and there's that value that it presents to you? Does that mean you should never eat bread? Well, no, there's lots and lots of different factors that determine how food affects you. Not to mention that a lot of these factors change as the context of your life changes and as you grow up in age. Well, that's the biggest thing I see. I mean, your body is just constantly changing all the time. And I just see this as another opportunity for somebody that is looking for like one little flake of truth, right? This is like a big theme I see with how these diets pop up. They see one need that they can fulfill and are one type of correlation. They've seen cases that certain people have benefited because of this way of doing things. And then this becomes like a theme that they write a book about and then they profess as the way everybody should do it, which is just never works. It's an easy way to mark it. It always is. I mean, if I wrote a book that says the best diet for men and the best diet for women, right? People are like, oh, he knows me. People will buy that. Yeah, so I actually look at it exactly like every other diet. It's very, very similar, right? And it's because I know that. So by the way, I have the most popular book on this. Like my old roommate came to me because he did it and was like, oh, my God, it's been such a game changer for me. Because he ate a healthy diet also. Well, and here's the thing, right? In his defense, he was actually a very healthy eater already. He just made the adjustments and changed and followed the protocol that it gave him. But what I tried to explain to him is that this is no different when a client comes to me and goes, Adam, my girlfriend is running the paleo diet and I started doing it. And holy crap, I feel so much better. I lost all this weight. That is, that's the diet for me. It's like, okay, hold on, let's unpack this a little bit. Because what I have found in my experience, it's not the diet so much as it is what you were doing before. Yeah, what you changed. That you now eliminated. So, and that's what I see with the blood type thing. It's, there's a lot of, a lot of the stuff that tries to support the claims for it. It mostly is mostly correlation, not causation. It's not direct facts. This is for this blood type. It's more so, and there's people I know listening right now. For sure, we have a big enough audience that there's probably thousands of people that have been following this diet and had great results from it. And I say to you the same thing that I say to the Paleo client that comes to me, or the Ketogenic client, or the vegan that swears by it and how amazing it is. Why don't you look into the things that you eliminated and pay attention more to that than what you're currently eating? And more than likely, that is the real key to what is going on here. And that's what's normally happening. It's normal. I don't know anybody who can say, okay, or maybe somebody who's really neurotic, but the average person that can say, I think my diet is perfect and I don't have any vices or any bad things that I allow in it. Everybody sitting in this room would admit that there's things that they allow to kind of enter their diet that they probably is not ideal for them. And if I put you on a diet that didn't allow that in your diet anymore, you'd probably feel the best you ever felt in your fucking life. Has nothing to do with that new found diet. Has everything to do with whatever it was that was offending you. Very good point, because nine out of 10 times when someone goes into a new diet, they become far more disciplined and structured because they're following this new diet. And a lot of times that's what it is. And yeah, you know, the blood type, again, there's no science. There's really no science that really supports any validity to this type of diet. But even if there was, again, I'm gonna play devil's advocate. Even if blood type does affect your, how your body reacts to food, it is one factor among many, many, many factors. And there's one factor that nobody ever considers. Everybody looks at all the physiological stuff, but nobody ever considers the psychological stuff. And I'm gonna tell you something right now. The psychological stuff is way more important. It's way more important. When I coach clients, if I coach them specifically on the physiology of their body and the macros and the calories, if we do that, and I have other clients that I look at the psychology, why do you eat? Why do you choose to eat these foods? What are the kinds of foods that you crave? What about when you're happy? What about when you're sad? And I coach that person based off of psychology? The one that I work with psychology and behaviors, their odds of long-term success are far, far higher than the physiological ones. Is this sustainable? Right. I've always have to ask that question before we make any kind of radical shift. Like look at that ahead of time. Is this sustainable? And then look and see what you're eliminating, what you're replacing, and what that does, and how you feel. Do you guys remember making that switch with your clients when you stop looking at all the calories and macros and all that stuff so much and you start talking about behaviors? Oh yeah. It was like massive. Oh, it's like a whole new universe. Yeah. Next question is from Grace, your presence. What makes you most proud to be an American? Oh, wow. Because, bruh, we're here, America! You know, I'll start this because now being proud of being something that you had no choice to be, that's kind of an interesting question. I was born here. I didn't choose to be born here. But here's why I am proud of America itself for why I look at it. And I think it's an amazing example for the world. Now, when I think of America, I don't necessarily think of the country of America, but rather the ideas that it was founded on. The reason why I think of that is because the ideas that this country were founded on, they were not exercised perfectly. And they still aren't. But the ideas that this country was founded on is constantly driving America to change and improve itself. I don't know of any other country that criticizes itself and is willing to change painfully decade after decade like this country. I mean, if you go back to the founding of this country, the ideas that it was founded with were truly crazy and radical when comparison to the rest of the world at that time. You had a country that literally developed a government. This was weird for the time. Nobody really did this before, but they designed a government to protect the people from government, to protect the people from tyranny. That's what the whole... If you read the Constitution and you look at the framework, besides all the stuff we've added to it over the last few hundred years, if you look at the framework, every single thing in the Bill of Rights is designed to protect people from tyranny. One of the things that they were trying to protect people from was tyranny of the majority. One of the biggest things that people are confused over is we call America democracy, which is partially true. We are a democracy, but we're not a pure democracy. We're a constitutional republic, and we elect our officials democratically, meaning we vote for our officials, but we have certain things that are protected that know that a majority vote can't take away from you. For example, freedom of speech. Your freedom of speech, even if 60% of the population votes that you shouldn't be able to say something, they can't take away your ability to say what you want to say. There's a whole other process they'd have to go through to amend the Constitution. Now, these ideas were not exercised perfectly. We had this concept of liberty that every person was born with rights, inalienable rights, and according to the founders, it's because they were bestowed upon us by our Creator, by God. So God creates everybody. Everybody has these rights that nobody can take away because God gave them to you. But of course, when the country was founded, we had slaves. Women were not treated the same. They couldn't vote. So it wasn't exercised perfectly, but it was those ideas that drove government to fight for the freedom of slavery or to free the slaves, excuse me, that drove the civil rights movement. It drove to give women the ability to vote, and it continues to drive. These ideas continue to push us. It's a constant refining process. Yes, to change and to grow, and it's these ideas that I think we should always defend. That's what makes me very proud, and I tell you something right now. The people that you'll tend to find who understand these things the most are the children of immigrants because there's a contrast. I am the product of poor immigrants. I know the opportunity that was provided here because of a lot of the freedoms that are here. I saw my dad came here with zero education. He was very poor, and he created a middle-class life. I had a friend whose parents escaped the Soviet Union. They're the most staunch Americans you'll ever meet in your entire life because his parents escaped real tyranny at the time. We're definitely not perfect. We're far from perfect. I don't think perfection can ever be accomplished, but those ideas, the ideas that this country was formed on are what continue to drive us. And again, I don't know any country that's willing to beat the shit out of itself over and over again to continue to progress and grow. And as painful as it is, it's freaking awesome. And I hear stuff all the time I disagree with. People say things and yell things and do things that I totally disagree with, but I will always fight to defend the right to say and do those things because I believe in those concepts. Yeah, and always listen. I mean, we're the ultimate melting pot. I think that's the biggest thing that I really appreciate the idea of America being the place where it's so culturally diverse. It's so diverse, like individuals are so different across the board. You're just not going to find that in any other place in the world where you can interact with so many different ideas and different types of backgrounds. And I think that we don't celebrate that as much as now we try to segment that off and divide and really try to regroup and try to go back to old ideas of where in other countries, everybody has the same background, same experience, same skin color, same everything. And to me, this is where all the innovation happens is when you collectively bring everybody together and work together and unify and move forward. And I really just, that idea, I just don't ever want to die. I want us all to get back to that mentality. I've always thought the whole pride or proud thing is an interesting conversation because like Sal, you mentioned, I don't feel proud to be America. I feel blessed. That's what I feel. I feel blessed that I'm not one generation. I'm three generations removed from this country. My family came from Mexico. I've been to Mexico enough times to be glad of shit that my great grandparents made their way this way and had kids in America. And then to your point, Justin, that I look around and say, we have to be the most diverse country and innovation so much to start here. Sure, there's tons of imperfections and areas that we can better, but to your point, Sal, that's one of the beautiful things about America is we are always evolving and changing. And I feel like we evolve and change more rapidly than almost any other country around. And I think just the fact that we are so diverse and so many people migrate and come here speaks for itself. I mean, that in itself is, I mean, you don't see that in any other country where people are flocking to get in so bad is because it is so great and it is so diverse. But, and I also recognize what comes with that. Like what comes with that are challenges. You know, you have people with different cultures all melting in one area. We're going to have a little bit of... There'll be friction. Yeah, there's going to be friction. And again, to Sal's point, that's what's beautiful about America is that even with all the friction, and we're always trying to become better. And I think that, you know, I would like to see more empathy for each other. I think that's what we lack that sometimes. And maybe that's the pride sense. Maybe sometimes we become so proud or so caught up in being prideful over all this stuff. We should have a little more humility, excuse me, can't speak and feel blessed that we all are in this situation and have a little bit of patience and empathy for our neighbor and know that we all are working to have a better place. And whether you have a belief that it should be this way or that way, that at the end of the day, that's what's great about here is we can both agree to disagree. Well, you know, well, free countries are only ever going to be as good as its people. That means that, you know, because we have a certain level of freedom, we have to be good moral people. In order, you know, look at markets, for example, let's just talk about free markets for a second. Free markets do one thing really freaking well. They give the consumer what they want, better than any other system in the world. But what if all the consumer wants is drugs, alcohol, and pornography? That's what you're going to get a lot of, right? So it's a reflection of us. And so we have to rise to be good people so that this system provides us what we want. But again, it's an idea. And it's an idea that, you know, imperfect as we've been, that idea is what's driven us to progress. You know, it wasn't that long ago. Listen, 2008, okay? 2008 wasn't that long ago. Barack Obama was campaigning to become president of the United States. He campaigned, and he openly was opposed to gay marriage. This is Barack Obama. Democrat president. Everybody loves him. He said, I do not think marriage should be between a man and a woman. And that changed very rapidly. Now, if you said that, nobody would elect you almost nowhere. That's very, very rapid, rapid change. Again, it's not perfect, but those ideas of liberty, of freedom, of protecting people's individual rights, which by the way, rights do not mean you have a right to other people or to other people's stuff. It means you have a right to the stuff that you can speak. You can protect yourself. You can worship whatever. We can live the way you want so long as you don't infringe on the other rights of other people. But that idea is what pushes us to grow. It's also a painful one. I'll tell you what. You go to a Marxist country. You go to a country that doesn't have these protections and try to be a capitalist there. Try to speak out against what that government says you should do. They'll throw you to jail. They'll kill you. You know what the, one of the, here's one of the beauties of, everybody knows how anti-Marxism I am or anti-communism I am, right? Well guess what you can be in America if you want to, a Marxist. You could literally have a, you could have a whole protest and a parade praising Karl Marx and the, you know, the past Soviet Union or whatever. And you're actually free to do that here as much as I hate that and I disagree with you. Tell me where you could do that in countries that don't value liberty and freedom. They don't. So again, I know we're going through a difficult time in this country, but it's okay to take a step back and look. We've had all these protests and that's beautiful. People are going out and they're free. Exercising their rights. And they're free to do so. It's also, I mean, good to recognize too to be, it's a positive thing that we have this division of progressives and conservatives. Oh yeah. I think of it just like the way we operate our business. Jakes and balances. Right, there's always one of us who's trying to push us in a new direction or push us faster to do something. And there's always one of us that's going, maybe we should ease in and slow. I don't think we should do that yet. And together we make great progress, right? And sometimes it's a little push and pull type of feeling, but you want that. You don't want one or the other. If everybody was conservative, we wouldn't move anywhere very fast at all. If everybody was so progressive, we'd probably have a lot of hard lessons. So the fact that we have this nice division of progressive and conservative people in this country, and we're kind of like, it doesn't need to be so angry though. It doesn't need to be like that. It's like, and that's why, this is why mine pump work behind scenes. This is the way we are with the business. There's always a progressive person. There's always a conservative person in the conversation. And sometimes they flip flops. Sometimes one of us is more progressive about something. One of us is more conservative about something. And I feel like that's how our country is. I think where it gets bad is when people start to identify with one or the other and they feel like they have to be. Well, I'm trying to impose those ideas by all means necessary. Yeah, and the big problem becomes when you think the other person has a different opinion in you because they're evil. Then there's nobody, there's no discussions. There's no compromise. It becomes ideology. There's no listening. You're evil. That's it. And now what do you do to evil people? You punch them. You kill them. You silence them. You jail them. That is a dangerous slope. You don't want to go down. Rather, the better approach, in my opinion, is to consider, and this is the truth, I'm not saying this is everybody, but consider that most people are kind of like you. We're more similar than we are different. Okay? And they're probably, they probably have their opinions because they think it's better for people, not because they're evil, but rather because they think it's better for people. Now their opinion is different than yours, but they also want something to happen that's good. So now let's have a conversation. Of course, if you think they're evil, I'm not going to have a conversation with Hitler. I don't want to hear your ideas. You're an evil person. But geez, man, if you think everybody on the other side is Hitler, you're going to have some problems. So anyway, look, Mind Pump is recorded on video, as well as audio. Come check us out on YouTube Mind Pump podcast. You can also find us on Instagram. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin. You can find me at Mind Pump Sal and Adam at Mind Pump Adam. At the end of the day, the big, big, big differences between men and women, generally speaking, are all about preferences and how they've been marketed to. All the other stuff we kind of said, those are such small, you know, general differences, but they really don't make a huge difference. It's really about the goals and the differences between what you want