 Hi, my name is Sandy Barrett and I'm here with what's happening our monthly show, sometimes twice a month to talk about current events. I'm here today with Pete Garotano, a lay expert on the virus and on all the shutdowns. Pete has been researching the facts, the science behind the COVID-19 virus and he has a lot to say about it. He has found some of the same facts as other scientists have found. He's found some additional facts and he has come up with his interpretation of what's happening with COVID and also with our whole societal shutdowns as well. So I think that that's what we'll do today as we'll talk about the current events and I might mention in line with that that our governor, Governor Scott, who's up for re-election has announced today that he will extend the emergency powers that he has under the proclamation that he has made. He's extended those emergency powers until now October 15. So let's start there. So what's up, Pete? What do you think about that? Well, I mean, I would like to be able to ask the governor what metric is going to make this end. In other words, there's got to be like a line in a stand. There's got to be a point where you say, okay, we've tested a thousand people and one person has come up positive because if that's the metric you're using, let's get a number. So it's just not a random thing or it just keeps going on and on because it appears that it's like, I hate to use the Trump comparison, but it seems like there's an electoral thing going on here that for some reason we're extending this way beyond what we need to because somebody's afraid of looking weak, but Vermont has been clean for so long. It just seems idiotic to me that we're not 100% open right now. There's no evidence whatsoever that the virus is spreading here or that there's any problems. There hasn't been a death in almost three months. Nobody's going to the hospital. Even the students, the big, the big hair on a fire thing with the students coming to the town. Oh my God, it's going to be horrible. Well, they started coming in early June. We didn't have a big outbreak. We didn't have a bunch of hospitalizations. We had nobody die. Young people aren't getting it, okay? Young people aren't getting sick. They're not dying. They're less than a tenth of a percent. It's time to start our businesses again, the restaurants town, town and get back to normal. So at what point Dr. Phil Scott is what I want to know, are we going to absolutely open the, the state up? But what are you using if you're looking at data? What is, what is the answer? Because Europe's opened up long ago and they had way more cases and way more things going on and there doesn't seem to be a real big problem there and we are cleaner than any country in Europe right now. So what is it going to take? Well, we're cleaner in Vermont too, than any place else. That's what I mean, Vermont. Right. In fact, Dr. Levine said today that Vermont just was commended by the CBC about how we have done contact tracing. We did? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, that we have done contact tracing of people who are positive. I know that because remember there was an outbreak maybe in Manuski and people were contacted, they were traced, they cooperated and it's still, you know, that was pretty much put under control and they really have not been in any serious outbreaks. I don't think since then they're in Vermont. Well, and contact tracing is another thing that you know, people say the contact tracing it works, but it's been a total failure in Israel. Israel has been one of the most draconian lockdown societies and their corona cases are up again and you know, they're having problems again. And so the whole lockdown thing has not proven to work either. Some of the states in the United States that have no lockdowns, the state open, don't have any worse than in most cases have better numbers than the lockdown states. So the lockdown thing, you know, really didn't do anything. It was a way for I think the politicians and people to feel like they were doing something because nobody really knows, you know, they don't know what I don't think anybody really knows what it is and how to control it. So that's the only thing they can do is put your mask on and let's lockdown, but there's no proof lockdowns work. And if you look at a lot of the graphs of when the deaths came, they were two or three weeks after the lockdown started. And so it's just it's kind of a band-aid approach to something nobody knows what's going on. Well, what have you found out about this virus anyway in all your hours of research? Yeah, reading medical journals and everything. Well, I mean, today's today what I've been doing is reading the last couple of days is about masks, because there's a big debate about whether mask worker, everybody's walking around with masks on there forced to wear a mask. Can I interrupt you to ask you a question? Many people feel that there isn't even a debate about masks. It's asserted. It's asserted that masks are effective. I've always said that is not necessarily the case. Well, my initial argument with masks is for the last 50 to 100 years when you're in a hospital and a doctor or a nurse came up to your bed, they weren't wearing a mask. And so they were all kinds of diseases unknown and known, infectious, not infectious in hospitals and doctors and nurses weren't walking around wearing masks. So are we saying that this thing that's out there right now is the worst thing ever in the history of mankind that all of a sudden they have to be wearing apparently that's what we're saying. This is worse than the bubonic plague. You fall in everything else because apparently you have to be wearing a mask outside in the fresh air, which is cookie to me, because I mean, they've already done the statistics on this current thing and people catching it outside in fresh air. It's like there's nobody. It's nobody. I mean, it's in the proof of whether they had something ahead of time. So the mask debate is only a debate because it's not a debate. Well, they want us to wear masks that they're saying it's been proven. But I mean, I was online today. I'm going to just pull a newspaper out looking at sorry about that. The Center for Infectious Diseases, okay, had an article out in May saying there's really no proof that masks do anything. Well, they got attacked because this is a big medical publication in the United States. So they revised their thing in July and they said, well, there's really no proof that masks do anything. And they said it again. They said it again, but they kind of like footnoted and said, well, we need to do more studies. So they're kind of like backpedaling saying we need to do more studies. But underneath this article, they listed 50 studies done since 1920 through last year that pretty much every one proved masks didn't do anything. And then most of them are in hospital settings where they would have there was one done in Sweden where they had 3,000 operations done by doctors with masks, 3,000 done without masks. That's a lot of operations. The infection rate of the patients was exactly the same because patients routinely get infected during surgery. It's like 5% of the time. It just happens. They don't know the other thing. It's kind of an unknown thing. When you open up a body, they can say you're wearing a mask can absolutely no effect on these infections. And this is like theoretically a super clean environment inside a hospital, you think, you know, everybody's washing their hands or disinfecting everything. So I mean, there's just one study, but there was 40 others, there were studies in houses, there were studies, many, many studies in hospitals actually. And there's minimal effect of any and there's a couple studies that said it was worse. And of course, the theory behind that is that unless you change your mask every day or wash it every day, things are getting in there, whether it's corona or anything, and you're touching it. Nobody's going like this and holding out like this and getting rid of it because every time you touch it, then you touch your eyes, you touch your mouth, you do something. It's really hard to be really, you know, perfect with that. And they're saying there's more of a chance with a mask that if you do get something, you won't do the right thing. But so there's there's plenty of scientific studies out there that have shown that masks really don't have any effect. And I mean, I mean, some of the reasoning is you're talking about stopping particles. I read that in a breath of air, there's a trillion molecules, one breath of air, okay? And then and somebody's next to you with some kind of infectious disease. Not only corona. Not only corona, anything, pneumonia, that they could be breathing out 100,000 viral particles every minute. So you have 100,000 particles that are smaller than a dust or a smoke particle that are flying around. Well, I did an experiment at home. And I took a puff of something, a cigarette, put a mask on, and then just exhale. Well, most of the smoke doesn't come out of this part of the mask. It comes out of here. I mean, you can't no matter what you do, your mask isn't going to perfect. So if there's 50 to 100,000 microscopic particles floating around, some of them are going to get in. And the virologists are saying it only takes one to get just sick. So if you stop 50,000 with the mask, but another 50,000 get through, I mean, it's not going to matter. So why then is there this, not only assertion, it seems to be that everyone believes totally, or is taught to believe that masks are 100% effective and masks are being mandated everywhere. In fact, I think that in our electoral contests that some of the politicians, including on a national level, are saying that they will get a national mask mandate, even though it seems that at least we're on the downside of the pandemic. Right. I mean, once again, I think it's because they have been kind of powerless to stop whatever's going on really. I mean, because you look at places where they've done certain things and it's worked in other places where it hasn't worked. I mean, so the two things they can do is a lockdown and a mask. There's no vaccine, which is going to be the big supposedly end of it all. But so what else they say they had to try something. So those are the two things they try. Why did they try a complete shut down? I want to go back a little bit in the history of pandemics and there have been many pandemics, right? Starting the one that I'm most familiar with historically is bubonic plague. And then there's always I was not born in the 14th century, but I am old. But in every other virus, in fact, a person my age has lived through enormous amount of viruses. That's probably why I'm not so afraid of it, actually. But I am afraid of what happened with this one after the virus became known as a pandemic. So why did our government, why did the governments of the world say, well, this is so bad, we have to shut down all of society, all of it, and lock people up at home, even. So give me a hot tea about that. I don't know. I mean, all the conspiracy people would say it's that's why I want to go there, but they would say, oh, it's because they're trying to control society or something. But it could be the testing. It's the way the way we tested this time. They made it look worse than it really was. Once again, I don't want to say something that unpopular people have said. But the fact of the matter is the test that we're using now did not exist in mass 10 years ago. So when the previous pandemic, which is like the H1N1, 2009 came out. Is that SARS? That was the first SARS. Okay. And even the swine flu back then, they didn't have this PCR test. They had it, but it just kind of come out. So there was literally like 150 labs in the whole United States. So what the CDC, this is one other, so there's two things that made this different. In 2009, when the last pandemic came out, the CDC, this was the advice they gave people. There's something like the flu out there. Unless you're really stick, just stay home. And when your symptoms go away, then go back to work. That was their advice. Now imagine the difference now. Now this is something that's almost identical in the virus world as this one is the only difference that they gave it a two at the end. And it's like slightly different. So that was the advice back then. They said, if you're really, really sick and you think you need to go to hospital, go to a hospital and then we'll test you. Those are the only people being tested. So people would go away. But that's what everybody has always said. If you're sick, stay home. Right. That's the advice this should be given this time. But anyway, so hardly anybody went in. Less people died according to the statistics, but the people that were given tests since there was only 140, well, there's probably in the United States 100,000 tests now. So everybody can get a test. So they decided, well, we have to check all these people. But if you look back the 2009 pandemic, they now estimate how many people really had it. And so even though back then they said 12,000 people died, but 200,000 had it. They say now the estimates are 30 million had it and maybe two or three million had what the 2009 one and maybe 300,000 died. We just don't know. Now the reason they're having to have this giant spread like 12 to 300,000 and 30 million, because if they've been doing the test back then, they probably would have had the same number of people test positive because they would have had a little snippet of viral RNA in them that said they had this thing, even though they weren't symptomatic and they weren't really infectious. And I mean, something we brought up in the last show, the average person has between 50 and 100 viruses in their body at all times. You've got mono, you've got herpes, you've got all these things you've never even heard of. And a lot of people have these, they're just in there. They don't do anything to them. And some of them are in there for a while. Some of them are in there and then they just get shed out of your body and this thing called an exosome, they just relieve, release your body. And sometimes when a bunch of them are leaving your body, you start to get like a cold. But then it goes away because they're kind of, they're all gone. It's like, it's like dead skin. It comes out. So, but some of these, now if you, so next year, if we said that UVM students, okay, we don't have COVID, but we want to bring you on and we're going to test you all for herpes. Well, we already know that they say 50 to 100% of everybody has that virus in them, but it's just dormant. It doesn't do anything. But what if they brought them all and said, okay, well, you've got herpes. Sorry, you can't kiss or have sex because you might give it to somebody. I mean, you could do this with 50 different viruses. Some of them are thought to cause cancer. Some of them are thought to cause, cause really weird, strange diseases you've never heard of, all these different viruses have identified. And you could find the little snippet of viral RNA in you, but it doesn't mean it's going to do anything. Or it doesn't mean it's contagious. It doesn't mean it's contagious. It doesn't mean it's infectious. And a lot of people, the people that are arguing the science that's out there now point to this and say, well, what if this is kind of just the same thing? It's just one of those things that's in some people, only certain people are affected. Other people aren't affected. And so, I mean, that's the argument being used. But the reason, the original question was why to panic. And I say because of this testing, because if we didn't have, if we did the things exactly the same as 09, maybe some of these deaths would have been pneumonia. Maybe who knows? They wouldn't have reported differently. And that's the other thing that's being done differently. Wait a minute. Let's really talk about that for a minute. So when people die with COVID, I guess, if they're in the hospital this time, if they're in the hospital or even not, and if they die of COVID or COVID likes or COVID say they're tested, don't they usually die also of a cold morbidity? Well, I mean, that was the big thing that came out in the New York Times and a bunch of people got upset with about a week ago. Is there of the 150,000 deaths? And you can look at all the CDC data, only like 9,000 that only COVID only COVID, the average had two and a half things. So you'd have COVID, you'd have pneumonia, you'd have diabetes, you'd have heart disease, there's 22 comorbidities that have been listed. So a lot of the argument is, well, how do you know they didn't die of a heart attack? How do you know that this positive test didn't mean this was infectious, but it was in their system that they really just had a heart attack? Well, they don't unless they do a culture and then it's even still hard to prove and they're not because of the PCR test, they're not actually culturing a hunk of the bacteria out of somebody's chest and letting it grow to see if it was infectious because that's the only way to prove something infectious. But also it still doesn't really mean it causes their symptoms. So all these, most of these are respiratory things and there's so many respiratory illnesses and many that people die of. And the number one in the world is pneumonia because two to three million people every year. Because that's the end result. It's the end of a lot of people. My dad died of pneumonia, but he had multiple sclerosis. I mean, but he really died of, I mean, so multiple sclerosis was a coborbidity, but pneumonia was what's called the immediate cause for it. So, but what happened in March, CDC said, well, you know, if it's, if it's, you think it's COVID, if test is COVID, just listed as COVID. And so that was another thing. CDC said, look, if it's assumed or presumed that the actual cause of death was COVID, even though it might have been something else, just put COVID as the main one. So that's the other thing people have kind of complained about, which also didn't happen previous and every other thing that pandemic, the CDC didn't come out and say, look, as long as they test, so let's say, as long as they test for herpes, if they die of heart attack, we're going to put herpes, you know, I mean, that's, I mean, it's a little different, but it's the same thing because you could test for, you could test for all 200 viruses. If you wanted to, you just have to get this thing that's like a picture of the sequence and then you match it up and that's what they do. They take a little honk, they match the sequence and they go, yeah, we have, we have COVID, we have this thing we've identified in China as being this virus. So this is another thing, which the two things are the new test and the cause of death, the way it's listed. And, you know, it's, it's a different way and it's, it's created this thing. People say, well, but there's people buying and there's excess tests. Well, yeah, they're, there seem to be, I mean, there seem to be and they may, you know, maybe it was. But are there more than the ordinary flu? Is it that? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's one thing that seems to be true because you can also look at that data, like excess death and it, it spiked in April in the United States and then it's gone up a little bit the last couple of months. But there also been a lot more heart attacks, a lot more deaths from diabetes, a lot more deaths from other things. And obesity. And obesity is being, you know, they talk about the comorbidity factors, but so a lot of it is, a lot of it is guessing I'm afraid, I mean, because it's, it's. But the thing that has upset me since the beginning is even if we accepted everything that they said, which I don't, I mean, I happen to agree with you. But even if we did, why the shutdowns? Why did our economy collapse? Why was it a deliberate creation of a depression? Of an economic, what countries do that ever collapse your economy deliberately? Well, I don't think they did a delivery yet. Yeah, I do. I mean, they shut down everything. They must have known what's going to happen. I think for years, every time one of these things happened, let's go back. There was the bird flu and the Asian flu and the, and the swine flu. Well, I mean, I'm talking about all these modern, we all remember like, oh my God, the bird flu. Oh my God, Ebola, right? And it would come along and everybody go out and then kind of never materialized as being as bad. It was, I remember being worried about the bird flu and worried about the swine flu and it never kind of got momentum as, you know, bad momentum, whatever. Because they burned themselves out, too. Well, they burned themselves out. And I really believe because of the way we tested and everything, this one, I don't hate to use the word got sold or marketed better, but it kind of caught on more because it made it look way worse than it might have really been. You know, I mean, I guess time will tell if it really goes away. But most of almost every one of these things goes away in six to nine months. And we're in the other countries like China, of course, it's gone and Europe, it's pretty much gone. And we'll be like end of October if it's the same kind of cycle. That's your prediction. Well, that's kind of the same cycle. The last one started in late May and it ended in like late November, the one in 2009. And so, and in the Northeast, it's kind of done the same thing. We started a couple months before, like Florida and California as far as the peak. And you know, it's all, it's all, it's a lot of guesswork and just looking at stuff. But what worried me from the beginning is that society has been really, I guess I shouldn't say wrecked and it's coming back. But it has been, it has been wrecked. Politically, there has been huge damage to democracy and socially, culturally, no sports, no entertainment, no, in other words, no fun. And that was said last night, by the way, no fun. The economy and, and the economy, my God, even Burlington, you know. Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's really a horrible thing. A lot of people point to that that's worse than what would have killed people and that there's going to be starvation all over the world and all this stuff. Is there? I mean, I mean, there's a lot of, certainly there's people hurting right now. I mean, we're, most of us aren't. I mean, we're, that's not correct. You know, I was 21 and I'd been working in the restaurant the last four years. My kid, my grandson has. And, well, my son's not been working either because he needs to travel. So, yeah, it's because you can't travel either. New York City is won't be the same for a long, long time. It's Broadway is closed. Yeah. Young people don't care about some of this stuff. I think, I think young people are accepting this more than you and I, this whole mask thing in the lockdown. They're okay with it. What do you think? What do I think? I don't know. We have a couple of guests here. Maybe we could ask their opinion, but they don't know any different. They didn't live 20 years. Young people don't. Well, but, but okay, so I live in a house with a pile of teenagers, black teenagers, that live downstairs to make men, boys between 18 and 22. They're unemployed. Yeah. I mean, they're not now. They've gone back to work. One of them works at a restaurant downtown and so it's open maybe three days a week. So, he's happier. Some of them have been unemployed since March. What on earth are they going to do it a lot? Look, and also, but this is what really gets me and I feel like asking Governor Scott and Zuckerman both who are running for office. What on earth future is there in this state if this continues? What on earth future is there for the Vermont State colleges? Well, I mean, or you've, yeah. Okay. This is what really concerned me politically more than anything. I live in Ward one where there's huge amounts of students. There was some petition circulating among, I would say the older people, I'm old, but other older people to tell students that they couldn't come back to Bruinsen and live in our city because of COVID. And I put on front page form something. I said, are you kidding me? What is this town going to be like without students? What are the restaurants going to be like? The bars? What is the culture going to be? Are you kidding? And the president, by the way, of UVM has insisted and rightfully so that UVM has got to continue, doesn't it? Well, I mean, it has to continue, but I, it's, you know, I mean, in a lot of this, I mean, you read about germ theory and viral theory. A lot of this stuff is really, it's just like theoretical. There's articles, there was one here I read today dismantling the viral, viral theory that like people actually believe and there's a lot, but just a lot of the evidence is just correlation. Like they say, okay, this person had this and then they had the symptoms. So they must be, they must be together because they have, because they're coughing and sneezing and we found this little thing in there. What other people are saying, like I did research that, well, it was really polluted in Wuhan. It was really polluted in New York city and that those pollutants are shown to really cause a serious respiratory problem. So maybe it was the pollutants and that's more of a coincidence than this. So there's all these other things that some people were saying, what was the new 5g technology? I mean, there's, but I mean, some of that's shown to do physiological harm to your body. I mean, certainly pollution, they say, claims millions and millions of people, I want to say 8 million people worldwide. They say died directly from pollution, which is never, by the way, listed on a death certificate that somebody in Ireland sued. They're smoking because, right, sued the country because they wouldn't list her daughter as death from pollution when the pollution had gotten really bad. And that is never ever listed, even though WHO and the, and the American, the long associates all admit or they'll admit state, have the statistics, pollution kills 8 million people a year and like 800,000 in the United States. It'll never be listed on this. So there's other environmental factors and things that cause these things to happen, including DNA and RNA changes in your body because they saw it cause this thing called oxidative stress that do things to your body. So there's all kinds of different ideas besides the one that's out there about what, you know, and we would rather, I read this interesting analogy today about a fishbowl. This guy, there's many doctors, including naturopathic ones, but regular doctors saying, yeah, I mean, I think one of the last things pastures said was forget about the germ, it's the terrain. There's like some famous statement. And he was saying, look, you know, let's make sure everybody's healthy and eating properly and they're breathing fresh air and drinking clean water. Then let's see what's going on. And so a lot of these things can be blamed on other stuff. And there was this analogy of a fishbowl. If you had a fish in a fishbowl in water and it was all dirty and the fish wasn't doing well, would you like, like give him some medicine or would you change the water with the fish back in or something? And that was kind of an analogy about what's going on. Like, because we, I mean, one of the first things they said was people with pre-existing conditions, right? And then people that were a certain age. And the thing about older people and we're all in that group is that your immune systems aren't strong as they used to be. So even if you don't really have pre-existing conditions, it's a little tougher by even a cold and people go into the hospital, they're perfectly fine and they get pneumonia. Or in the nursing home. Right, it's a nursing home. And so, you know, there's a lot of other factors besides, you know, that the mis-revirus didn't. So it's, we don't have a heck of a lot of time left. But let me, let me go back to what I said before. I have been horrified since the beginning at the system that was established as a result of, I suppose, the panic about the virus. If you think about it, the system, to me, has been absolutely inhuman. People aren't supposed to see each other, gather, touch each other. I suppose that would be different with people's sex lives, which is a perfectly, usually normal human activity. They're not, they're supposed to sit in nursing homes and die on their own without visits. They can't be visited in the hospital. Can you imagine a kid in the hospital dying of something and can't see his mother? I mean, I, well, okay, but going back to that, I don't get it. I've not gotten it from the beginning. Couldn't they have quarantined the sick and let the healthy person with their lives? Well, yeah, to me, right when the things started, okay, they went through China. So we had all these statistics from China that 99% or 96% were people in this category. So let everybody else go back to work and say, look, if you're this, this, or this, be very careful. If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask, stay away, be careful. Because people under 65 and healthy people aren't dying from this. Okay, they just aren't. They'll have a case of somebody and then you read that the person was 300 pounds and he had Cofi, you know, you know, it's like, yeah, but so it may not have been that, but my fear is the same thing as you, Sandy, is that what happens if they decide to connect this to just the regular flu? So all of a sudden, we're already going in the flu season. So what happens, okay, so the COVID has gone down and all of a sudden, what if there's a new virus? We could mask for the flu the same way. They could test for the flu the same way next year, and we could be in the same situation next month. Let's break around the corner, right? So how long will this go on? And what is, what is the end stage? What is the end result of this, right? And the fact of the matter is places that didn't lock down are doing just fine. Places you've never had a mask before. South Dakota, Iowa. South Dakota governor was fierce them. They had deaths, but no more, some of them less than anywhere else. They had hardly any. Iowa didn't do too bad. And they never had any of these rules and regulations, or very few in some countries they didn't. I guess that's what worries me most. It's my, I'm going to quote Frederick Douglass, who said once, power never concedes without a demand. Correct? I mean, this has given politicians, health experts, enormous power over every aspect of our lives. Well, and it's not going to go away unless we ask it nicely, I guess, to go away. Well, we're, we're not battled, but we remember what happened after 9-11. And I kept saying, well, they made this emergency. Today is 9-11. I know, that's why I'm mentioning it. Yeah. That they had all this emergency stuff. Well, they've never stopped the state of emergency since then, which is ludicrous. Because what you said is once they have a certain amount of power, no new president wants to give it up. So Biden, if he gets elected, is not going to go, hey, you know what? 9-11 was 20 years ago. Let's know where we don't need to stay. Of course not, because it gives him all these special powers. Exactly. And every little thing that happens gives them kind of the right now to say, okay, well, we managed to be able to tell everybody they had to wear a mask and stay in their house, which also was one of the stupidest things ever to, to, for people to go into their house if they were sick, because it was shown that the worst place to be was inside. People weren't getting sick outside, you know. But yeah, so that's what worries me is that every, like you said, every little thing that gives the people and authorities more power, they're not going to ever give it up. They're not going to give it up. No, they're not. But it's a slow thing and people are accepting of it. I think we're, we're just, we're just old cranky people and we're just, we just don't like it and we're not accepting of Biden. Look at I'm a freedom-loving person the way that Vermontres always were. Yeah, but my son, my son is like, eh, it's not a big deal. But my grandson does think it's a big deal because he's been unemployed. Yeah. And he's not a, he's not a computer junkie either. Yeah. You know, he's not interested in being on computers that much, you know. He's interested in being outside. He's interested in, you know, in sports, which I can't believe the fact that the sports have been like 10 minutes NFL football last night with the coaches wearing shields. Really? Yeah. And I don't like football, but I watched it. I had to watch to see and they had, they had like fans that were all spread out, which was okay. But at least they had some fans. Yeah, they had some fans. Yeah, look at the baseball game. But we should, we should do on, I'm going to, Mark's probably not going to watch, but Mark's thing is a Cui Bono, right? Yes. He would say that, which, and it's, but it's so obvious who's going to, who's benefiting. I mean, we already know who's benefiting. All the tech companies, the pharmaceuticals, companies. Now, did they do it? I mean, I think we talked about that. I mean, I don't think that anybody purposely did this. I think that he seized the opportunity. They saw it early on. They said, oh my gosh, we have to show, we have to close, but we do have to ask the question maybe the next time, who benefited from all this? As you said, the big, enormous capitalists. Oh, big money. Big capitalists, big money benefited and big tyrants. Yeah. Well, both. The one leaving and maybe hopefully not one coming in. I mean, the Democratic Party certainly has benefited from this. It's their whole platform pretty much besides the obvious stuff. Okay, but we probably can't go there on one program, so we'll be back. Okay, we'll be back.