 Comments from the chair. The only thing I would say is that Meredith sent out the memo about the street. What's it called? Oh, the downtown core master plan? Yeah. And I think it's really important for us to look in that way and because if you ever looked at, if you looked at the plans, it has the potential to change the whole feeling of downtown. I'm in favor of increasing the bike paths and everything, but it basically eliminates parking in downtown. Yeah. It takes at least, it takes probably close to half of it. I don't worry so much about that. Other people are going to worry about that for sure. But I worry about just the impact of having traffic patterns changed and wider sort of parkways along the road narrowing things up and having dividers between part of the road and the other. And I think it's something that has a high potential to impact how downtown looks in the field of downtown, which I mean, downtown traffic and parking have their problems, but they're not that bad. Okay. 79 Berry Street. Woodbury Pizza. Review the replacement of three windows. Coming up. Yep. Coming up. And when you talk, make sure you're talking to the microphone, please. Do you need a copy of what you submitted? Thank you. Can you explain your project and where your windows are going to be? Yes. We're replacing two windows that are currently two feet tall by three feet wide with three windows that would be three feet tall by five feet wide. They're on the side and back of the building. So the back faces stone cutters way, but there's quite a bit of distance between it. So the change in the size will be the impact and the other just faces the other side of our block. You're looking at the... You're going to existing locations. Yep. Same spot on the building. And just larger windows. Larger windows. There'll be a different style. The windows that are there now are an awning style. So they open from the bottom and just a really small amount. So it's hard to get ventilation in there. The new windows will be sliders. Two of them are on the west side. Yeah, sort of southwest. And one is on the south side. Southeast. Yeah. That corner is basically due south. Looks like it was, what, in addition to the 79 Berry Street? Yeah, it's in the back. They share the same address. Yeah, it looks like it was built fairly recently. Or do you know how old it is? No, it's pretty old. The oldest part of the foundation is just stacked stone. Okay, it's just, I guess, because the windows and everything looks pretty good. I imagine that's part of the granite industry at one point. Potentially. It was a redemption center for a long time and that was an auto parts store most recently. So basically you're going to get more light in there too? More light, better insulation, more airflow. Better airflow. So what's in that space? What do you do upstairs now? In that space right now, we just have some offices and we're getting ready to renovate it to become a restaurant, kitchen. Yeah, good pizza. So where the windows are? Is where potentially the public will be? No, that will be workspace. That will be a kitchen. Is this part of, this was the auto parts store? Yeah. All right, so what faces the front here? Was that like the big open window? Yeah. So BMW motorcycle dealer for a while? Was it? Yeah, front part, not that, not where you guys are. But the auto parts store is. The auto parts store is moved. We're in there now. Oh, you're in there? Oh, the good bellies moving moved to America. That's just part of the whole. It was a good BMW motorcycle dealer for a while. So why the, why the size? That should just not, why three to five? Just to keep it consistent with kind of what? Generally the same, you know, wider than tall, slightly bigger. So sort of same ratio? More or less, it's close. Is it, is it low ceiling height? And that it's, it's pretty low. I'd say they're about eight feet in that part of the office. Yeah, yeah, there's not a lot of room to go up. They're also presently at about that height. I'm standing in front of them. So are you going to push desks or something underneath them? Is that the idea? Work tables. Yeah. Just wondering if there's, there's another configuration that you would have considered rather than just to know if you went with this style, just to match what's there and make it bigger or. We considered going, going lower, having windows that like a double hung that slides vertically, but if, if we then pushed our work tables up against them, they'd cover the bottom part of the window. So a slider or glider, because that's the style that you can get in that orientation. I think awning windows are not manufactured all that much anymore. There are issues, but they are, yeah, they're manufactured, but they have issues. This'll have issues as well as far as operability, I think just as a heads up. What issues will it have? I think over time, you're going to find that they're a pain to open and close. Okay. I replaced an awning window with one of these in my kitchen and I've never been happier, though, 10 years ago. Okay. Just, you know, it's not as large as the one that you're talking about. All right. It gives you a lot more light. Yeah. Yeah. And the existing windows are very old. They're single pane, basically no insulation. Anything else? My guess is these windows were probably put in the 60s or something. Yeah. That would be my guess, but... What's the siding of the building? The siding is vertical wood, but it's, you know, it sort of looks like a bored mat, but it's just a manufactured product. Okay. It doesn't... Okay. We've got to set a criteria to go through it. Do we go before? Do we do the criteria? Preservation or reconstruction of the appropriate historic style is to propose projects if there's any historic district or involves an historic structure. Do you know what the list is? Is this on the national register? I don't think so. Actually, it is. It is. I think it's, but it's not... That was surprising to me. The building that's labeled on the site map as 79 Berry Street is quite a bit older. Well, it might be the... But they share the same address. Yeah. It looks like a non-historic addition, but... Yeah. I think that the... I think that this... It says yes in here because the property as a whole is... Oh, no. I remember looking this up. It's just, unfortunately, somehow didn't make it in here. This is listed, but it's not... It doesn't go into details on the windows or anything like that. I would think that, you know, having the manufactured siding, whatever it is, skateboarding, batten, and all of that, I would say that this is acceptable in that context. And the windows, as long as they're in the same proportion and the same size, the windows are probably in the 60s, 70s, I think. Okay. These are a little bit bigger, Eric, but it looks to me like they're... They're still proportional. Yeah, and they're sort of in blank walls, particularly. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. Harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district. I guess that's acceptable, as well, kinds of things. Compatibility of proposed exterior materials with other properties in the district. Compatibility of reposed landscaping, no landscaping, right? I just have to ask. Oh, I understand. Don't worry. We ask these things too in our office. Just every once in a while, people change their minds between there and here. Prevention of uses in incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes, or exterior materials, that's acceptable. Location of parents of all utilities, no lighting or anything going. Recognition and respect for view quarters. It's not really applicable. It's not going to change the view quarters. So, all in favor, what, 16th or 17th? 18th. 18th, honest. It would be 17th if we were meeting on a Monday like normal, but it's a Tuesday. I'm just sorry about his signature. You just leave a pin right there, don't you? Mm-hmm, I do. I don't always get them back, but I do try to leave a pin there. Awesome. So, Audra and I have the rest of the administrative report for the larger admin permit downstairs. I'll give it back to Audra, so we should issue this tomorrow. Okay, great. Thank you very much. Good luck. Thanks. Good luck with the change in location. Are you going to do outside pizza again this summer? We'll see. We might be down at Barfield again this summer. I think everybody's at Bar Hill. This restaurant project is the ways off, but we'll get there. Okay, we've got some minutes, right? Mm-hmm. So, we're already third. They look at the minutes and do I hear a motion in my comments or corrections? I make a motion to accept the minutes as written. Second back. All in favor? There you go. Oh, wait, I forgot you weren't here. It's been a long time not meeting. So, I took from Liz and Eric about the second. If you think, you know, let me know if you can stay late on the second. It may not actually be all that late to have a meeting with the Historic Preservation Commission about that core master, downtown core master plan. So, I sent you a link that'll pull up all the stuff you see in the hallway plus more, or I can also print things out for you if you need me to. But let us know because I think, you know, Eric really wants Eric involved. Oh, I think it's a major thing downtown. Yeah, I can stay here. Yeah, no worries. I mean, but it's also, my thought was that what we could do is close down the DRC meeting and open up a special HPC so that I can work with Historic Preservation. If we do come out with official joint comments to try and send something because FC Group might stop taking public comments as of the sixth on that before they then do their formal recommendations to city council. This is exactly the kind of thing I think policy preservation commission and designer view was she involved in prior to the city council's name go. They just, I don't like the way of anything happening. I think I see millions of dollars. Right, it looks expensive. What they want to do. Right, definitely. And it wouldn't be on my high priority list even if I thought it was okay. Yeah, and this isn't, you know, this isn't final design. This is more conceptual and to work into as part of I think the city planning process, especially because a lot of this design is contingent on the garage getting built. I think the garage is going to get built would be my guess, but you never know. There's a big article in Times Argus today about the legal decisions, which I can't say I understud even though I read it. Yeah, it's I read the decisions. It's a mixed bag. It's just it's narrowing in general narrowing the questions that are open for trial in May down fairly significantly and saying that the 24 VSA 4413, which limits zoning and municipal regulation of um state and community owned, i.e. other municipal projects applies to most everything. So it really we know down what the court can can either review as a statement of questions or put conditions on. The other thing that's interesting is that the new the proposed Act 250 changes wouldn't eliminate review of anything back to 50 in a downtown district. So that would make a big difference. I don't know is that does anything for the garage because the garage already went through the downtown. Yeah, right. I mean it wouldn't apply to this project but future in the future. Does that have to be a designated downtown? I think so. And Montpeliers already got a designated downtown. I think you're going to be 14 or 15 in the state. Okay. Anything else? I moved to adjourn. Thank you all for coming.