 All right, welcome back. It is still the breakfast and plus TV Africa and we are staying on plato state today because there was an Attack and let me just give you a beat of a background. All right Take me a village of a miango district We were chief dumb boss a local government area of plato state was attacked by Fulani, Malaysia in the wee hours of Friday November 26 where not fewer than 10 percent were killed in several houses You know as well as food grains burnt down while others sustained Varian degrees of injury. We have the national publicity secretary here. We do a development association Davidson, Malasin joining us This morning veers many. Thanks for joining us on the breakfast and plus TV Africa. Mr. Malasin Now good morning to you All right, we understand that there was a terrible attack in your chief term on Friday Can you just run us through let's understand exactly what happened at the extent of damage? Good morning to me, but it's my pleasure to be in your studio version this morning as You earlier said There was an attack in Rigwe chiefdom particularly in miango district in a village called Tegbe community on The 26th of November 2021 That particular village was attacked by Fulani headsman in the wee hours of That particular 26th of November 10 people were killed at that particular attack three people sustained varying degrees of injury 114 houses were set ablaze 57 foot bands made up of already or newly harvested food crops were completely destroyed That's particular Community was hurt, you know quite a very Disheartening and a worrisome situation. I think that is the preamble of What happened on that particular at the some of the people were even burnt down to ashes You know children of four six and eight year old were part of those that were killed quite Worrisome and sad is a kind of a very disperse situation down here Okay, so can you also tell us, you know, what could be Responsible what is the cost of this attack? Is it, you know What could be and the issue is that a boundary dispute what could be responsible for this attack? Yeah, what what exactly is responsible for The attack, you know one might be asking himself or herself What has been the major cost of recognition has been under attacks for for several years It will be, you know a thing to put it on your notice to know the ribbonation has been under attack for past 20 years Since the year 2020 since the year 2000 by the the same fuller knee Marauders the same fuller knee terrorists But I'm majorly the major cause that one can attribute to the attack is not far It's not something new other than an attempt to forcefully take over our ancestral land Is a kind of a struggle they've been doing for many years in order to see that we've been forcefully evicted from our Ancestral lands lands that were be quitted by our forefathers to us I think majorly that will be at the cost of this whole thing that has been happening to Reguination and one who again say it is an orchestrated plan For a total annihilation of a reguera is completely on earth And these are things that have majorly Served as factors are militating against all of this All right, Davidson. This is not the first attack on your your chief term over time I know we've had to talk about a tax on the reguera chief term We really had to bring them the fuller knee herdsmen, you know They're representative on the show, you know, and we placed a side-by-side with your people and over time They have been, you know, the nice that I'm such claims were not really founded that over time when there are Attacks and that's community, you know, they are the ones that quick to be blamed My question right now would be that over the years since and these attack is not really fresh What has been done, you know specifically maybe a Georgia between Your community and of course the media to Allah, you know the cattle rarest, you know What has been done over time to and show some sort of a mediation so that them all of these gray areas, you know Will be or would be tackled Yeah, I think as it is now we we we stayed with fuller knee people for so many years and We coexisted peacefully Until they made up their mind to on their own leave achieve them We didn't Attacked them when they were leaving. It's just like when someone comes to stay in your place and the person and let her feel He wants to relocate to another place. You don't have a You know that you could sit right to stop the person from movement Constitution permits that Every Nigerian has a right to go and live wherever He or she desires and so they left our community the left our children And that was after we began to experience this series of attacks Now coming back to your question what sort of mediation what sort of dialogues have we've been engaging ourselves With the leadership of me it's a lot, you know I I have always said that we've held several in meetings several engagements several dialogues several mediation together with them But from all indications are the fuller knee people seems not to know what peace is all about Sometimes when you come to a round table, you have a discussion, you know, they take their tea they eat their food But what they have already configured in their mind is something that is really there And then they will want to implement and execute it and now let me bring it to fact Precisely almost on every after engagement or dialogue or mediation meeting we had with them We will always experience an attack precisely on the on the on the 11th of June We had a meeting together with them at their sector three command of the operation several places there And after that meeting the next Sunday They are tax one of us and kill him and again on the 5th of July this same year We held a meeting together with them at the local government secretariat Together with the leadership of me et ala basa local government and all the Ardors were in attendance of the meeting But what happened, you know after the meeting one of the traditional rulers of regrination three of them were attacked we ambushed a long Toss ammo division on their way going back and then one of the chief ten seat title holders that was together with the District heads of me and will sustain varying degree of injury. So one will begin to ask questions Does these people really understand what peace is all about you come together? You show as if you're ready to make peace but immediately After a peace meeting suppose in court a peace meeting you launch an attack So one is beginning to feel these people are just pretending are just trying to fool people You know are just trying to tell the world that they are not peaceful like let me buttress this point by saying here Global in this a terrorism of a match Flanie as the fourth deadiest terrorist group in West Africa, you know after ICs I swap and Boko Haram And so these people are supposed to be treated in the language They understand so that they will stop unleashing the carnage on Innocent Nigerians. All right, Davidson. Let's also introduce Nero Abdelahi who is the platoon state chairman matey alla cattle's breeder association Noor Abdelahi All right, thank you for joining us Yes Okay, so we've been having this conversation as regards the attack that happened in the community Irrigue community and just as Davidson has mentioned Because we have Davidson malison who is a spokesperson of the irrigue community. Now. He is said that These attacks were carried by the fulani You know heathers Can you please react to that Yes, uh I don't have him Alleging and accusing fulani and even Leveling them as terrorists in the world This is I I want to tell him shame on him because We have not given you the true narrative of what exactly happened If you say you are you are being attacked by fulani In fact, let me start from that angle Uh Is it because You have been attacking fulani in the same area and killing them killing the economy This took their properties in the same area for instance You have killed killing fulani alongside two other shower people in Cameroon shower Last october and in the same day Badurun katha you went and killed three fulani Just in the same october in badurun summer Just in november you killed another two fulani boys injured another three All let us die in the hospital You are telling me they are are they on that mission of reprisal apart That is why they are killing your people And if that is the case Why didn't you alert Other communities that you have issues with such as The the tower that will kill the imam and one over in kamaru tower All the rukubas whom you killed There are three persons alongside one fulani along dogan badi in In the same process Or are you telling me you are not alleging There are ten people whom you killed their farmers Just recently Why are you alleging the fulani? Why we are asking some questions Why is it that All the communities around papa Around iribe that surround them your neighbors are in peace with the fulani Okay, so um let's also find out now if uh like you rightly mentioned that The fulani headers are not responsible for this attack. What exactly do you think is a situation? That is going on in the rigwit community I have not concluded My my what he was saying He was just telling you about meetings with government and security agencies That number one after the meetings we are not ready for the meetings to resolve the problem number two We are we are attacking them immediately after each and every meeting. Let me ask you was it not immediate? When they came out After the governor has come on off We sit down with the his excellency the executive governor of lato state on ways to resolve this matter subsequently two days later they released A press statement telling the world that it is a lie. They have not engaged anybody There is not any conflict between them and government of lato state and and and the fulani And he is telling you this All right, uh, let's just uh, be uh, uh careful with the words we used You know, let's try as much as possible to be uh, civil Let me get back to david sinna malasin. Uh, I don't know if you follow the conversation now What no, um, abdelai has said so far. He made some, you know Alligations and I'm going to just throw them all out to you. He said them other communities around irigway Peace, you know with the fulani herdsman. He was wondering why it's always with them. Then again, he said them Other communities that you that the irigway people also have issues with other Neighbors around them. He mentioned some of them mentioned the rico bus and all of that He's saying that um over time to him. I mentioned some cases that happened in october where your community, you know Allegedly attacked the fulani herders. I just want to get some clarifications concerning all of what he had said Yeah, um, I Anytime I am been joined By always nuru In an interview of this nature. I always ask myself this question nuru is an elderly man whom I respect and I expect him to You know to come up with facts anytime he's coming to a public domain of this nature You understand, this is a national television. You come and you know give facts and then, you know, accept responsibility This when we engage ourselves in doing it it will help this nation progress forward But let me let me let me address some of the issues he he raised You know, he said why are we alleging in court that these attacks have been carried out by fulani Terrorists, you understand, you know, uh, we have Evidences, we don't just come out to public and then begin to attribute that these attacks have been perpetrated by fulani militia, you know for instance in In july when these people killed four of our people as in chat at uh as In cheta who village sorry they took away Phone belonging to one of the persons they killed and lo and behold they called we have the voicemail We recorded they accepted that they carried out the attack and they were coming to launch another attack Now on august 2nd On august 2nd 2021 when they totally sucked Jebu miango and all the neighboring communities They the roads on the On the roads and on the walls That they have conquered Reignation they are fulani and they have finished the all the records are there So when an elderly person is coming to dispute the fact that they are not carrying out this attack One will begin to question that elderly stage that age that is his age That is a stage that someone is supposed to be telling the truth now at that particular place that that attack was carrying on the 9th of june they Destroyed over 45 farmlands as long group just that That particular taege village So when we begin to ask question now, let me address The point where he said we had a meeting with the governor on the way forward and then two days later We came out with the statement saying that we didn't party. We didn't Partake in anything of sort Now I expect Neuro as an educated man to have gone through carefully and meticulously through The release that was made now. What was it that we came out with? We said the statement the national delis and other news Agencies were carrying our report that we signed a peace pact with them Whereas it was just a meeting that the governor portrays on the committee that was set up by plato state peace building agency Between the philani and the iligwe people on how to fashion our ways to bring in our peace together The governor adamitin directed the director general plato state peace building agency to go and continue with our Committee so that they'll come out with a resolution on how to live together And then reports were circulating that we signed a peace pact with them So the content of that statement that was released is something that Neuros understanding should have reflected or tell him that it was not a statement that we say we didn't Partake in the meeting but rather we were debunking that was we signed any peace pact Action whether there was any medium or any space that he signed and then the people signed Which was a peace pact, you know sometimes You know understanding matters a lot on issues of this nature So I expect nuru to be coming to tell the world Exactly what is happening. We didn't sign any peace pact with them news went viral that a peace pact was signed So we had to pen down and tell the world it was just a meeting on how to bring about peace In our community. There was nothing like a peace pact that was signed. I've seen now Tell you all right. We'll get his whether he signed or not. All right. Let's um get get back to new Nuru of the lie, you know, so let's get your reaction So he has said that um what um their community did was um debunking and alleged that pixi Picked a peace pact that was signed and he's saying that there was nothing of source You know, just let's get your reaction concerning all of that. Mr. Delay Well I have I have more questions. I will ask him at this material side Number one Why is it that fulani are in a cordial relation? 101 percent total peace With all their neighbors All the communities that surround We regret people are in peace with the fulani for instance the attack of denowry The tower of kamarun tower the rukuba of rukuba chief don Yeah, there are more of pangama chief don There there are things that are just not and even the deal that we have been having issues with them Now we are able to resolve our problem for the past one year We have no issues with zero Of the best little little things that may may not be clear immediately Why is it that the the issue of iris bay is bloody at all times? Let's also ask you what's the issue really number two. Why is it that They wanted to smuggle their problem into just mouth By hook or crook letting excellent to us what happened at yellow and white now now that we have the investigation have gone through And they have exposed everything every eye of the happening in yellow and white Let him tell us certainly what happened in yellow and white now Number three Please let him tell us the reason The black agenda the nefarious agenda they are having When they are giving out Their people their blood of their people as a collateral what agenda are they want you they want to achieve Why are they always in problem the whole entire plato state Today for the past one year. We have not recorded any problem anywhere in plato state except Mehenbo. Why not even explain to us why why is it always mehenbo? And it is All right, that nuru abdelahi nuru abdelahi. Let's let's still stay with you now. I'd like to ask Do the fuller knee headers and do you have any issues with the irigua people? Are you in any sort of conflict? There are issues with iri bay where they have the rostling our cows killing them especially in In in in in in in doko gaba One And that general area where they will kill a mother On on the second of june february this year. They killed five riyals And rostled five hundred and thirty five cows killed them there instantly I have the pictures. I can send you the pictures you see Okay, so you have right there they have been repeating this thing killing our cows just recently in in baduru summer In this on the 6th of november they killed iriflani boys Two died in the hospital. They killed alongside 30 of their cows So these issues are there. It's like they are they are having an agenda where they are sustaining the conflict Say a time that they will achieve their agenda. Let them come out and tell us what agenda is that? What do they want to achieve? She's put over on it. They have this plus entirely the entire fuller knee that we are wrestling In meango tipdog. They have this lesson and often today They are alleging fuller knee are killing them who fuller knee which fuller knee Why are they moving into kaduna step into Into just south into just north into rio and killing fulani attacking them rostling the accounts killing the accounts Why why are there no Abdul ahi so so i'd like to also to i'd like to come in at this point in time Can you please hear me? Can you can you hear me? I'd like to ask like you are saying that the fuller knee headers are not responsible for this attack Do you have an idea who's responsible? for this attack on the regal kingdom or community I sincerely believe Information have reached me that their armory have been filled with ammunition So they are they are they are looking way forward to sell the ammunition. They don't have the way to sell the ammunition Who who who there is no Conflict in the area so they want to ignite the conflict by hook or fruit That is why they are attacking the fulani killing their boys in the area Mr. Abdullah I'm not sure you got some the question I'm not sure you got the question here Noor Abdul ahi I'm not sure you got the question the question is you are saying that the fuller knee headers Are not responsible for the attack on the regal community. They are not So if they are not responsible for the attack on the regal community Do you have an idea who is responsible for the attacks? They are themselves Or they are killing themselves. They are themselves. They are doing that to show them what to make to paint us black That is the agenda. The agenda is they will give out some of them as collateral To satisfy the world that the fulani are doing what is to them are killing them destroying them and doing this Piano acts to them. Why didn't them allow the security to go into investigation and reveal everything that has happened in the area? Not even the hiding They will not hide anything. Let them allow the security area. Let them not mention anybody Now that they have let it be this fulani, maybe the attention of the security will go to fulani Let them allow it open. Let the security do a general investigation They will uncover what is happening So for them not to allow them uncover what is happening So they they they start alleging the fulani Transfiting the fulani's down For this to attract the attention of the security to what they want All right, mr. Madison is not working. All right. We'll try and you know get them counter reactions now from mr Davidson allison, who's the spokesman of irrigway development association? I'm sure you have followed the conversation so far david sin and he's alleging that It is an intra, you know irrigway killings that your people are the ones allegedly killing themselves And now can you verify? Can you tell us exactly what's going on since this killings? What reports have been made to the security officials and what is this the situation right now our investigations ongoing? Because um, al-haji July is a legend that you are your community is not allowing an investigation. What's the true picture? Uh, I I want to make some clear clarifications here If you have been following him keenly you will discover that he has virtually been missing almost all the questions You've been asking him. He's been dodging that is an attestation to tell you that he he's not even in tune with what he's even saying And then he's just blabbing and then lying to the public This is something that I wanted to put on record You understand I alia post out some questions to him that I needed him to have answered Even when he said we sign a peace pact with them at the government house. He didn't make such clarification There's another thing to tell you that that statement he alia may was nothing short of a lie You understand and then let me let me bring him uh closer You know, uh anyone listening to nuru, you know talking and saying regret people are killing themselves You know to serve as a way of igniting crisis on the plateau one will ask, you know Are we by any means will go to an extent of killing? Over 80 people that they killed in in june july and august in reguelan What kind of justification will they have or the recently? 10 people they kill at tebe We the police commissioner was there was one of the persons who visited the scene of the attack Very quickly and very early, you know, or one will begin to ask again Or on the 20th salt of this same month that they ambush and kill two people at inter village One will also begin to ask the alia raised some questions about the neighboring communities They attend the rukuba the bureau The wasangam the aficiary my brother When the spokesperson or these neighboring communities he mentioned will come to the public And say they will tell you that they are not living in any peace with them For instance, I am not the spokesperson of any of this tribe But I cannot show you that there are there are there are attacks In such communities for instance the bureau me talked about they kill people at kuru Kuru is a village dominated Made up of Birom people they kill them the yellow wasanga Is it the people that are there? They killed another people almost over 35 people 33 sorry 33 people there and then he's coming out to tell us some kind of a story Now let me let me bring a new on August this year. Let me make a like speaking fact Operation safe heaven made a release. They arrested eight Fulani who killed Three women on their farm Asked him We don't we are there no arrest. They were arrested But the question we are asking what happened after the arrest like I earlier established I don't like coming to public and then we making unsubstantiated claim or Or statements we have the voice not They have been coming out Accepting that they are the ones carrying out these attacks The records are there For instance, they've been saying on non-government Each time they call for meeting they come and then they seek for forgiveness and say let there be peace Now why are they coming if they know they are not behind the attacks? These are questions that he should ask he should answer And now let me clarify another thing here Nuru Does not live in basa local government He doesn't even have any iota of Information until it's happening. He only sits at the comfort of his house They give him back that as an information that are not accurate and then he come to mislead public He doesn't know any of all of this. Okay. Devison. Devison. We have to come in at this point in time because Just as we coasted down with all of this killing that's ongoing. What's the place of the Nigerian pleas? I'm talking about the security agencies and what is the state government doing. So I I didn't like Nuru Abdelahi to actually respond to this one now Is Emma So he's he's mentioned the fact that you have also mentioned that there's been killings On this other side. He's also mentioned that there's been killings And I know that you know, there's a governor in that particular state. So what has the state government done What has the police? I mean, have there been any arrested people being arrested really at this point We the entire flag the community in flato said we appreciate and we cherish the flato said government Under the leadership of of barista simon basala love He has been doing all the best to do to resolve this problem that unfortunately The problem is not being resolved Let me give you for instance The governor someone was he himself after rukubar wrote a fact of Ninety two flannies travelers going to on those After that the governor someone was he himself not assigning anybody We discussed these issues We started are you taking taking off and preparing for resolution But later they regret refused and dumped it away We are they wrote a mischievous This statement alleging the government and the flato said government There's the flannies for for for uniting themselves and fighting against the integrate number two The governor has established Very very important and recommended institutions To fight this insurgency and then bring peace to flato said for instance the plato peace building agency I recommend 100% The the dg there all right Joseph Langman was he's doing the best every day on his feet Doing up and down to see how we resolve our problems are makeable and resolve them and be in peace All right. All right. All right. What do we call interface? If plato interfered Dialogue committee step on by the government of 45 highly prized religion leaders in the state We have 20 Muslim From different denominations Coming together sit down together discuss the issues and then put a fast solution. All right. Thank you. Thank you so much I'll hug you. I'm afraid as as much as we can take and we I appreciate the fact that you have put it clear what you think the the government has done so far to you know You know make that particular region peaceful again. Nuru abdullai is a magban Chairman in plato state and of course, we also have them david sin malicein the spokesman irrigate development association I'm afraid we can't really take more on this particular discourse We may have to bring you guys on again But then again, it is a call to the security operators in that particular region to you know Get interaction and ensure that a thorough investigation is done So that there will be renewed peace, you know yet again in Across diverse communities in plato state It is still the breakfast on plus TV Africa will take yet another break from return We'll be focusing on the attack on just correctional center in a minute. Do join us again