 Some governors kick opinions divided as National Assembly mandates direct primaries for political parties. And as rescue teams often times struggle to save victims, Nigerians want to know the standard operating systems for search and rescue. And we will be reviewing the news dailies on After Press this morning. Well, it's a beautiful day. Thank you very much for joining us this Thursday morning here on PLOS TV Africa. We hope you enjoy this next two hours with us. I am Musao Gie, Obonwa. And I am Mayor Sia Boko. As usual, it's good to have you joining us. Good morning. It's a very complicated case and it needs to have access to as many cancels as it can afford. And as the courtroom perimeter can afford. The courtroom itself had a lot of empty seats that could have taken all of us. But what happened in the final analysis is that the court locked us out. And while we were locked out, the court commenced proceedings without our presence in court and adjourned the matter to 19th and 20th January next year, which we find to be a travesty of justice and a flagrant violation of section 36 of Nigerian Constitution, which contains a fair here in safeguards for defendants. Sir, where can be your next move now? When we are going back to drawing board, we are not going to take this line though. We are going to consider a number of countervailing legal judicial measures. We are in court today for an application challenging the empty charge. Someone can't charge five out of five government lawyers against our claim to hear it. Alright. Then, of course, you are familiar with the constraints that have been exposed to Libya. That has not been given access to the court. The court is not allowed to come to court. So today, when inside the court, when we are going to go to the court, they insisted that they can only allow five members of the legal team to be inside. Only five. And we'll have at least a maximum of eight persons along with us off there. I'm not talking about those that were denied access to the court premises. We are outside trying to resolve that issue. Because we can't continue this matter. We have people that came from all the way from Abat today. How can we see who is representing the people in Asia? You thought that they wanted to allow access to the court. We'll have people who are representing in the Otoakiwu. We'll have people who are representing on Hares Ndiwu. They want to allow access to the court today. So we insisted that the right team must be done. After we have over nine members of the legal team representing for government today in court, they were in court. We also have over ten members of the access officers right inside the court. Why can't they allow at least some members of the legal team to be in court? So they refused to do that. And we are outside the court door trying to resolve these challenges. The court came in, knocked the door. Then folk who speak to the court-based, the matter has not joined until the end of January. I have not seen such a thing. I have not seen such a thing. I have not seen such a thing of justice. We are not told. We are told that they were invited. The court invited our client and the PPP and the prosecutor to have a discussion with them. Even when we are not there. Imagine. Just like what happened on 26th of July on 26th of June 2021 when he was taken to court with that reference to God called to us. And he was tried on that day without us being in court. So the same thing the PPP did himself today. And unfortunately, we are within the court room. We are just outside the court door and we are locked outside. I have not seen such a thing. This trial moved all the way till 2022. The court team was not allowed into the court by the DSS. There is also a lawyer who came from the United States who was also doing some legal work for an American who was also not allowed into the court room by the DSS and that eventually caused some level of chaos and led them to walk out that I really don't think is necessary. I am not sure why we continue to I wouldn't say politicized but we continue to just create this level of Higihaga around Nambikanu's trial. It's really not necessary. First of all, the other would be banning cameras and journalists from the trial or they are reducing the number of his legal team that gets into the court room. It is just unnecessary. I don't know what exactly the security threat is that the DSS thinks that they are trying to curtail. Is any member of his legal team a security threat to the trial? Are they in any way going to interrupt the trial? What exactly is the challenge with having every member of his legal team in court? Interestingly, oftentimes I always think that we forget that we are in a democratic dispensation and we seem to always forget the tenets of democracy however and that calls for a lot of consent. Firstly, you would also agree with me that it's a public hearing, it's a secret hearing and if it's a public hearing, everyone's got a right to walk in there. We can walk in there, you can walk in there, anybody can get into that court and listen and watch. Another issue that was raised is the fact that they got clarification from the judge as to who and who and the clarification from the judge says his visit is not just limited to family members, lawyers, anyone can also visit. So it doesn't really make sense to me, I don't understand and I'm quite worried like I said before oftentimes we forget that we're in a democratic dispensation and then we begin to behave contrary to it. So it's a public trial, it's not a secret trial and because it's a public trial everyone and anyone can actually go including the fact that there's been some clarification and the essence of all of that is that people need to see that justice is served that there's fair trial Namdi Kano is treated fairly. Now it's not about Namdi Kano it could also be another person so everyone needs to see that yes there's justice and that there's fair trial and fair hearing apart from saying okay yes there will be justice but they need to see how he's treated they need to see and hear what's going on. So I am really really really worried and I'm totally disappointed that every other time in a democratic country that practices democracy and then we begin to exhibit some tenet of democracy like we don't know so I am the one who ordered the police or ordered the men who went to beat her out I'm just saying nobody's taking you know responsibility for that maybe I should take but I don't control the police so it's the same thing they're working on orders and they will do the beatings of those who actually you know hired them or who they have to answer to I just don't think it, I just don't think I'm sure they have their reasons why they feel these intimidating tactics you know would be necessary. I'm sure they must have you know because it makes no sense you know if there's going to be a court case at 9am they arrive at 6am you know and cordon of the place and they you know put the officers everywhere and then they start to pick and choose who can come into the court you know which of his legal team can come into the court or not it's just very very unnecessary. Like he said the case has been adjourned till the 19th and 20th of January 2022 would of course continue to follow up. Another top trending story this morning an airline in Nigeria has suspended one of its staff I remember we spoke about this yesterday or two days ago you said that you embarrassed that you know someone was shaming Nigerian airlines and you know the corruption in there but an airline has suspended one of its staff for soliciting bribes from customers and this of course also made headlines yesterday and I read the story and I was excited you know because it feels like they're listening to us no no no no so I think so I think what happens in Nigeria is when you embarrass them they take action it's pretty much the same thing with when David Hunde did a report on corruption in the passport office I believe that the DJ of immigration I believe then came and there's a story about him dressed under cover you know and you know dressed under cover and you know try to you know apply for a passport and see if he can also catch the criminals in that office so when you embarrass them and that's really what gets you know offices in Nigeria to work when they're embarrassed when there's public disgrace and they've put them you know put their shame you know for the whole world to see then they immediately start to work but they know because they can't say they can't say that they didn't know that their staff have been corrupt and have been collecting bribes and soliciting bribes from people before and that's why fan put out that message that we don't accept bribes really what we accept is thank you they know that they've been collecting bribes for a long time but when you embarrass them like that then they wake up and say oh let's catch one or two persons and that's it so I'm thinking that it should not just be because I'm not embarrassed me because I was like I would say it was an attack on me and of course in the country it's an embarrassment giant of Africa I mean how do you explain all of that that someone walks into your country and say all the sea at your airport is corruption the pictures is corrupt I mean the guys got some gods but however it's a good thing to see that you know this has happened but it shouldn't be a one off alright we should be consistent with the energy and this is what happened so when people begin to see that you punished them for some things some other people would sit up someone is going to sit up now and say oh yes we can continue in this kind of behavior because culture what is culture is a practice over time when people do things over and over again it becomes a culture a pattern for them and that's what it is but we're saying that hey it's a good one but this should not just be because we had that video and it should not just be a one off we should be consistent with the energy they know what to do if they really want to wipe out corruption in those places in the airports I'm sure they know what to do their supervisors from top to bottom all know what to do sadly you can't even vouch that the supervisors aren't even part of the whole system that collects little bits of bribe here and there but you know at some of the points also I walk into restaurants place and then you probably patronize it's okay to I do you know once in a while tip which is not bad but tipping is different from if you don't want to get a covid test pay this guy if you want to I mean that's really even that one should stop like normally you say fine bros nothing it's annoying it's annoying because I remember when I got my international passport I paid about $43,000 sometimes somewhere around that but I went online and I saw that online the passport office basically says it's about $17,000 or $13,000 but we get to the immigration office in Inugu it's $14,000 $3,000 that they charge you and I asked him eventually because I showed him that this isn't what he says and he says because in Dubai diesel they need to do this thing to do that and that's why it is that high and so you can imagine how much money they are making amongst themselves in that office and imagine how much money is passing through the airport isn't really government money or getting to the government offers or getting to the airline itself so yes they need to do more but I'm sure they know what to do if they really want to read the whole of of soliciting bribes and what not finally a really sad story we are moving into a school in Ogun state that was flogged by her teacher for failing to write properly or spell properly her mother, her mother's name Elizabeth had buried, eventually put out a video on pictures of the child that fell sick after being flogged by her teacher in this school in Ogun state she put out pictures on Facebook she said that she initially had made several complaints to the school and didn't get any response until she put out the information on Facebook and of course got like I said, when you embarrass people they take action in Nigeria you need to shame them first, publicly then they will take action and so she put this on Facebook and then the school eventually picked up the case and you know is starting to act but I hope we have pictures to quickly share with you it's a very very very shocking incident that happened in Ogun state you can see the legs of the child, a three year old girl with cane marks all over her legs also pictures of her temperature when she went to the hospital to show that she developed a slight fever after what happened in school and Nigerians have been reacting and saying what would happen if she was there three year old child that was flogged by a teacher in school for not being able to write we have lost our humanity and that is really sad really because like I always say actually this is the case in the educational sector and I know that some people will wake up with the fact that we are Africans and then you need to put a child straight but you know times are changing we are evolving and there are other means to have for instance, if that's the case the child can not write have you ever wondered whether the child has a learning issue some people are slow to learn and all of that so I mean if the child first of all does that change the situation does it solve the problem would he make the child to write so I don't know who we are again but I know that we are losing humanity we just I don't know who we are anymore and that's number one, now secondly so let's even assume that the child has done something wrong and you need to correct there are other means of metting punishment and then you look at the age that's a three year old what do you mean you do to a three year old let's assume that it was not the fact that she could write in this particular case she cannot write flogging the child is not the solution it's not even acceptable it's not the fact that she cannot write properly, what do you want a three year old to write for you so we need to begin to look at that maybe from our curriculum at the beginning we need to begin to review all of that to understanding that this is a human being because I don't know how the teacher involved and the next question I ask myself is do you have a child that would be the next one because I don't know where that beatenness is coming from sadly I don't think the idea of dyslexia is it dyslexia or dyslexia dyslexia I believe which is of course a learning disorder for kids, I don't think that exists in the whole spectrum of Nigeria education system I don't think it does not the case but you would also find out that there are some people whether it's dyslexia not dyslexia, my point is you will still find some people who cannot comprehend at the same level you do comprehend and maybe we're not able to begin to my point is that they exist and of course kids who also have dyslexia exist what I'm saying is the Nigerian education system I don't think it recognizes those aspects at all and so they would rather flog you into learning than actually understand that that every child is the same and some children have learning disorders and that may not necessarily even be the case with this child children are delicate and they have their own sometimes it's just not any mood to write and it may not be the case but it's one of the reasons we then have schools create some level of premium special idea about them and then make their school means two million naira because you would expect that when you take your children to those schools they will be treated better and these things that they often these children are things that should be normal they should be expected as a human being as a human being the respect for that child as a human being are things that should be expected but they now give their school mangrove international palm grove I hope that school doesn't exist but mangrove British international palm grove water side school and then you go there and you pay eventually you're paying three million naira a year for a little child for what because of how they treat the child which is natural, which ought to come because you're a human being and that's a baby and you need to understand the fact that they are growing in stages I mean you have the fact that at a particular time they become very active or they become a certain way and all of that when did you go to school again? were you three? I mean I schooled a million but were you three years old when you started school? Of course I was I went through the whole kindergarten KG1 to 3 and then all the way to primary 5 and yes I went to a pretty good school my last point is we also should remember that there are certain teachers that take their trauma from home to school so you get to school and the fact that you and your husband fought that morning you pour it on the little kids in school and these are you would expect in the same society as assault and you should be arrested for it you should be charged with assault for flogging that little child but of course in Nigeria you would rather expect that the child's father would go to school and fight and then they call police and eventually you know we need to go anyway thanks for joining us and starting the day with us we come back after the press kicks off with Ezekiel Eiatok who joins us this morning stay with us