 Next question is from Kenzie Benzie, double zero. Are tricep kickbacks effective? The internet says they're canceled. You know what's funny? I like that. Kenzie Benzie. Okay, here's one of my favorite things about following resistance training and exercise for as long as I have. Exercises are like, it's like clothes. They fall into fashion. They fall out of fashion, into fact. In the 90s, it was super unpopular to squat. Nobody freaking squatted. Everybody leg pressed and hack squatted. Now everybody's starting to squat again. Deadlift didn't exist. Nobody deadlifted in the gym unless you were a power lifter. Overhead presses were all behind the neck with a barbell. Nobody did military presses like we talk about now. Tricep kickbacks have been popular, unpopular, popular, unpopular. Do I think they have value? I absolutely think they have value. Would I put them in the same category as like dips or close grip bench presses or skull crushers? No. But if you do a proper tricep kickback where you really pull the elbow up real high, pin it to your side, and then focus on that squeeze when you bring the dumbbell up to, almost nothing will cramp your tricep like a tricep kickback because of the shortened position of where your elbow is. I mean, you can easily convince me it's worthless. Yeah, it's just, so I'm here, you're gonna like my analogy. If we're gonna stick with the clothing analogy, okay, if we're gonna stick with your clothing analogy of falling in and out. I wanna hear you guys out though. Listen, if we're gonna stick to the clothing analogy that these things fall in and out of favor and the tricep kickback is someone, then the tricep kickback is the chums of clothing or apparel that you could do without them. They're not that big of a- I don't know what chums are. Chums are the ones that go on your sunglasses. You can pull your sunglasses. Nice accessory. We were cool for a little while. They actually still sell them. I took a picture at a gas station. I saw them being sold. Okay, no, I'm- Early 90s reference. No, no, no. I'm gonna make my case. Okay, tricep kickbacks, I put it in the same category as, you know, cable press downs with the rope. Those types of what bodybuilders call finishing exercises. If you've done, at the end of your workout, a really well-done tricep kickback, and it's really important you keep your elbow high, pin it to your side, and focus on full squeeze, almost nothing will cramp your tricep like that. I swear to God, try it. I mean, I guess if cramping the tricep is what builds muscle, then that would be a good point. No, come on, don't be a smart ass. Try it and see for yourself. It's not a worthless- It's like dog keys. It's on that level. I mean, I went on a kick for a long time. I was all into them and it was probably in the early 2000s when I was doing them, but yeah, I don't know. They don't make it, I can't tell you how long. And if I were to do them now, if I were to do them, which you won't probably catch me doing them, I would actually do them on a cable and not a dumbbell. I really think they're worthless with a dumbbell. So most people let their elbow drop too much. They use momentum. You've got about a six inch of window of movement where it's actually effective at all. That's what's such a different feel. When you do it with a dumbbell, it's all about the squeeze. When you hold it way up there, oh my God. I think it's canceled on my book. I would definitely, if I was going to do it, I'd grab probably like one of those single ropes and then I would pull back with this. So that way you least are keeping the consistent tension on it the entire time through the movement. Yeah, no, it's not, I think it's, it's not canceled. There's all, I mean- It's one of those pumping exercises like the other ones that people do. Look, I tell you what, try them out. Here's the deal, with your elbow far back and pinned to your side, so your elbow is literally higher than your body, the long head of the tricep is shortened. Then on top of it, you squeeze like crazy at the top. It's an interesting feel that I haven't really replicated with almost any other exercise. I'm not saying- I mean, you're getting that elbow position in a dip. No, you're not. You're not getting it at the top. What I'm talking about is that full squeeze at the top with the elbow higher than your body. It's a very shortened position for the long head. So your elbow is still up and you're locked out. You don't get that in a lot of movements. No, you don't. Now with that full squeeze, it feels very interesting. Now again, I'm not placing it in the category. You'll find it in, I think, one of our workout programs, maybe as a focus session. Did we? Maybe, as a focus session and aesthetic. It's probably an aesthetic or a split, but yeah, it's definitely in there as just like your single joint. This is where hyper-focused on just the tricep, like any angle possible, right? Yes, but it's not canceled. I think it's got value like other pumping exercises do. I mean, if we were to go back to how we always talk about an order of operation of exercises, as far as all the tricep exercises are out there, it is towards the bottom, if not the very bottom of tricep exercise. In fact, give me a tricep exercise that's worse. Oh, easy. Supinated grip push downs. Easy. Well, what? Cause you're comparing it to pronated and that's- Correct. Just the waist, how many tricep exercises you see where to- When you slip in your wrist position. Yeah, they're changing the wrist position. Do all this other stupid stuff? No, no, it's better than that. Where the elbow is. Yeah, if you do three exercises for your triceps and the last one is a finisher, where you're getting a pump, swap it out for kickbacks, try it out. Do the squeeze at the top, go light, hold the squeeze at the top, watch what happens. I feel like he's defending it just cause he was doing it like two days ago. That's why. Actually, I haven't finished it today. He was in the gym. Yeah, he's doing that. And then what's this one called when you go like sideways? Yeah, that's the- What is he doing? No, I can't because it looks like- That's the racist or something. The micro her. No. There's the elbows out. I'm not doing anything, but I'm trying to emulate. I have a dumbbell right here and I'm coming the inside of my chest. And then I'm extending this way. I mean, we've said this before. No exercise is technically a worthless exercise and everything has some sort of value. If you work out all the time and you've done all the tricep movements and you never do tricep kickbacks, would I concede this argument? Like, okay, yeah, okay, you could go there. I think that it'd be hard for me to name an exercise and I don't like your reverse grip tricep pushdowns because if you did that and you didn't do pronated, it's not a bad movement. It's just a silly movement. If you do pronated, then it's a silly movement. No, I think it's- I think it's super- Look, I'll tell you what. I haven't done them- Full disclosure, I haven't done them in a long time, but I have done them in the past and they use the word canceled. No, it's not canceled for a pump and for a squeeze as the last exercise in your group of exercise for triceps. I think it's got some value. Will it replace dips, close grip bench presses, skull crushers, overhead tricep extension- I mean, you got another exercise besides that reverse grip pushdown that it's not worse than- All the cable weirdness that people do for triceps. Oh, I do it this way, I do it this way, I do it this way, I grab a rope, I grab a bar. Like, okay, what's really important with triceps? Elbow position, right? In front of your body, over your head, down by your sides. Name a tricep exercise where the elbow is behind your body almost. Well, yeah, not at the peak because you start there in the dip, right? In the dip, your elbow- You don't finish with your elbow up in that back position. Yeah, I mean, you can make that case. So, Sal 1, everyone else- I don't know if you won this argument, bro. You're still on the just above-worth list. Yeah, exactly, you named one exercise and I would make the case that if you'd never do a pronated pushdown, then a reverse pushdown is not bad. I don't know, all I want is Andrew to put in here a score. Sal 1, everyone else said it. You get like a point of a point. Hey, if you enjoyed that clip, you can find the full episode here or you can find other clips over here. And be sure to subscribe.